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  • File : 1266678561.jpg-(22 KB, 320x256, we-serve-whites-only.jpg)
    22 KB Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:09 No.185754  
    how would libertarians deal with discrimination by private business?

    let me guess:

    let the free market deal with it
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:09 No.185759
    yup
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:10 No.185763
    maybe if every business discriminates, all the niggers will leave
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:11 No.185765
    Correct. If the business model is that offensive to the general public, they will not be able to stay in business.

    Unfortunately, considering the image in OPs post, the reality is that the savage shitskins would just burn his business down to the ground.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:11 No.185769
    >>185765
    Good
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:12 No.185770
    The free market will solve everything.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:17 No.185796
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    >Implying Spanish = Half-breed Indians
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:21 No.185813
    The government seeks to change attitudes through things like anti-discrimination laws.

    The free market states that if someone wants to not serve, or employ, a certain section of society, that is up to him.

    If society supports his decision, then he will stay in business.

    If his policy goes against societal attitudes, then he will lose business.

    It is not up to the government to engineer society.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:23 No.185821
    segregation in this manner is actually integration.

    it means many different people can comfortably live in close proximity to eachother.

    where segregation has been banned, the blacks/mexicans take over completely and drive all whites out.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:24 No.185824
    >>185813

    THIS. Only national / state institutions should not discriminate.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:25 No.185825
    libertarians ARE the discriminators.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:26 No.185829
    >>185825
    They discriminate between freedom and government control while liberals and conservatives alike discriminate by race.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:28 No.185834
    >>185813
    >If society supports his decision

    You are putting too much credit on the people's ability to not do crazy shit in large groups.

    KKK in your free market.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:29 No.185835
    And those who are already on top have tight reigns on the free market can easily continue to propagate and, failing that, deny people of basic services if they don't comply with their world view.
    Stupid libertarian sheep....
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:30 No.185839
    >>185834
    If you live in an area where the KKK are active, it might be in your best interest not to serve or employ blacks.

    I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:31 No.185843
    WHY IS THERE AN APOSTROPHE IN THAT PLURAL? Goddamn idiots.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:32 No.185844
    >>185754
    >White's

    The idiot cant even write properly, I'd be afraid to eat there too, who knows what unhealthy crap they put in their white's only food.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:33 No.185846
    >>185834
    Doesn't mean you can't discriminate though. Just label the KKK an extremist organization, start watching, and when a member actually commits a crime, arrest them.
    >if they don't comply with their worldview
    This is why socialism is prevailing.
    >>185835
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:33 No.185849
    >>185843
    and now you know why they only serve whites. hehuhehuhehu.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:34 No.185852
    >>185839
    Why shouldn't he allow them? Would the savage KKK shitskins burn the business down?
    That's not free market, that's mafia-esque control.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:35 No.185855
    >If society supports his decision, then he will stay in business.

    The thing is there a shit ton of people who would support this type of discrimination and it would only widen the racial divide that exists and it would only move the country backwards. I think a government should engineer society, you have to get rid of aspects of society that are detrimental to progress or suffer stagnation.

    People assume that the general populace can be good, moral individuals without laws to make them behave. No discrimination laws would be a fucking disaster, of course the racists in this country would love it, and that's really the root of supporting abolishing things like this.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:37 No.185857
    Not care they can serve or not serve whoever they damn well feel like. That's hardly good for business anyway.
    >> ≥7≤ 02/20/10(Sat)10:38 No.185861
    >>185754

    Govt has no right to tell a buisness owner to do anything, let alone seat particular people.

    Right to refuse service.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:39 No.185866
    >>185855
    Blacks are inferior to whites though and only fuck up everywhere they go.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:40 No.185868
    >>185852
    It's not as if the KKK would care if he was being forced to serve blacks by law anyway.

    This isn't a discrimination law matter, it's a police matter. You're mixing the two up.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:42 No.185873
    >>185855
    If the indigenous population refuse to let the ethnic minorities integrate, then under the free market they would leave.

    It is because the government is enforcing private businesses to accommodate people it doesn't wish to that immigration is high. If whites hate the blacks, then if they are allowed to exercise discrimination through the free market then the blacks will leave. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but if the whites wish this, then the government has no right to override their wishes.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:43 No.185876
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2rvfM3ALvo

    In South Korea racial discrimination is still legal. Pay attention especially after 1:16 (the black girl).

    Now, who loses here? She may get rejected a few times, but if she really is the best then someone will employ her and will make profits thanks to her work. It's not like that all employers will reject the best qualified professional. A few may, and will, do so (they can do it in the EU or US as well, they just won't be so open about the real reason). But it will not last forever, businesspeople generally are not so retarded as to reject the best candidate because of race, though it does happen.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:43 No.185877
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    >OP's face
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:47 No.185885
    >>185873

    If the majority wants to discriminate it's simply democracy doing it's job.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:53 No.185901
    >>185876
    If I was employing someone, I would only employ white men if I could help it (obviously I wouldn't employ a less-qualified white man if a far superior candidate who was female and/or colored). There is FAR too much discrimination against white men and disproportionate favoritism towards women and ethnics. I'd in fact be helping the group that is actually being discriminated against.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)10:58 No.185919
    >>185754
    I would open a store that caters to those who others would not serve. I would also advertise that, unlike the other businesses, I do not discriminate, thus capturing the minority AND liberal market.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:00 No.185927
    >>185855
    Actually, the government needs to be engineered to suit society's needs. Government should always be servant, not master.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:02 No.185935
    >>185919
    Good business mind ma boy. Bro fist.

    You'd be opening chains in no time while they go bankrupt.

    I'm lovin it, para pa pa pa.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:03 No.185940
    >>185901

    >I'd in fact be helping the group that is actually being discriminated against.

    Yes, but you write it from the Western point of view. In South Korea, I'd employ the black girl because I know she did not get a free ride there. The educational system there is totally objective (test-based). In the USA, I would be seriously considering the value of her education: she would get a lot of help like Affrimative Action, would she also be the best without it? How to answer that question? The simplest way is to employ a white man because I'd know that he had to do the most in order to achieve the same results.

    I've always said that these anti-discrimination laws do more harm than good to those who truly deserve to succeed while promoting free riders.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:03 No.185941
    Not a losertarian BUT
    #1)No laws would exist to discriminate
    and
    #2) companies could CHOOSE to discriminate
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:06 No.185946
    FACT:

    If a pure free market is so great, how come the whole world is still governed by laws and regulations after countless trials and errors of trying different systems? (Ex: Monarchy, dictatorship, communism, socialism, democracy. )

    I dont see "Free market" in that list, I guess its too good to be included eh?

    People are just too stupid and not ready for the glorious Utopian Free market system eh?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:07 No.185947
    >>185935
    nah, with his customer base being spics, niggers and white pussies (= liberals), his restaurant or whatever would be a nexus point of crime, gang fights, etc. - basically, a very small ghetto.

    i doubt he would make much money.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:08 No.185950
    >>185946
    Because the government would lose power under a free market system, that is why the continue to regulate it.

    Capitalism is just an oligarchy with corporations replacing the aristocracy.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:08 No.185954
    >>185876
    Wow you can honestly watch this and think that society is doing her a favor? If you're not trolling, you people are fucked as human beings. It's not even worth discussing.

    Discrimination laws exist for a very good reason and that is to stabilize what would otherwise be an unruly society. Call it anti-freedom if you want, but these laws work and I would rather sacrifice some personal freedom for the benefit of society rather than live in a world where anyone is free to treat anyone they want like shit. Where is the benefit for society in that?

    The only benefit would be to create segregation. That is the true reason for wanting so called "freedom"
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:11 No.185959
    >>185927
    HEHUHEHUHEHU.

    Anti discrimination laws are actually favored by the majority. Why did you think it was adopted in the first place?

    Democratic government > Free market Ayn Ryan shrugged

    LOLOLOLOLOL.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:13 No.185973
    >>185947
    Tell that to Mcdonalds and KFC, they love them blackies, they even hired them to flip burgers.

    Making gazillions in the process. FUck yearrrrrrrrr.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:14 No.185975
    you've never taken an economics class, haven't you?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:15 No.185985
    >>185975
    Oh my, ad hominem, derp derp durrrrrrrrr.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:16 No.185988
    >>185954

    The employers would've rejected her anyway. How would she prove the reason? She was told because in their legal system she could be told. The only difference if she could not be told would be exactly that: she would not have been told.

    I live in a country where it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of gender (race is not an issue, virtually 100% white). However, employers often openly state that they will not employ a woman because she can get pregnant. This is how much these laws are worth.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:25 No.186032
    People naturally segregate anyway, there's absolutely no reason to force multiculturalism down everyone's throats.

    Sorry I'm not going to be sharing milkshakes with my Black, Asian and female handicapped friends. Why do things have to be engineered? Why can't you let people be what they are?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:27 No.186047
    >>186011

    oh yeah... it's much better to discriminate in a free market way than to force non-discrimination down everyone's throats, because the government ends up discriminating anyway.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:29 No.186058
    >>186032
    Because Bioshock and Bioshock 2.

    LOL.

    It never ends well.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:34 No.186085
    >>186047

    >because the government ends up discriminating anyway.

    THIS. Why even write down the anti-discrimination laws when the next thing the government does is to introduce Affirmative Action which breaks these laws? Also, do not believe in constitution, Supreme Court or anything like that. These are the people who somehow managed to make prostitution illegal while keeping pornography legal, they can judge things to be constitutional or not even when every ordinary perosn knows them to be wrong. There is nothing and noone to protect you. If free market could be reasonably used as a replacement for a set of laws, it should be. You won't be protected any better or any worse, but at least you will have more freedom.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:40 No.186114
    >>185954

    >I would rather sacrifice some personal freedom for the benefit of society

    Horrible, HORRIBLE way to think, man. That's the cancer that's killing us.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:48 No.186159
    >>186114
    No, that's what is creating progress. No matter how much you aspies want to believe that society is best run by individualists. Sure it's "forced" progress but it's a necessity for a result that otherwise would take hundreds of years to come by in your system of anarchy.

    Some things need to be forced to work efficiently, and some things need to be free to work efficiently. This "all or nothing" mentality is what's killing us in my opinion.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:51 No.186180
    >>186114

    Have you perhaps heard of such a concept as a social contract?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)11:56 No.186211
    >>186159

    And what "progress" have "progressives" made exactly? Or any leftist agenda for that matter?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:01 No.186230
    >>186211
    just take a look at OP's picture
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:03 No.186239
    >>186171
    First of all lets not get into political affiliation here, since there have been people who fight for anti-discrimination laws from all parties.

    Nowadays minorities can go to any school they desire. They can better themselves and live a great life as equally as any white person, when before it wasn't so. They don't get openly discriminated as much as they did before these laws were in effect. They force the general populace to think "is what I'm doing wrong" and one person and eventually generation at a time you change society to a more tolerant peaceful way of life than the last generation.

    Sure there is still a lot of self segregation, but it's nothing like it was before. And outside of your stormfront basement dweller fantasies people of all races generally get along well in this country. These laws have gone a very long way to defeating racism, where as if they didn't exist, we would still be living like it was the 1930s. ( I know you guys would love that though)
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:06 No.186253
    >>186230
    they replaced one kind of racism with another?

    fuck yes
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:07 No.186258
    >>186253
    >baww i'm a white male and i'm oppressed
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:08 No.186262
    >>186258
    >thinks affirmative action isnt racism
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:10 No.186271
    >>186262
    >doesn't know the history of state universities before affirmative action took place

    just look at the jews
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:11 No.186276
    >>186271
    >thinks history matters in defining a racist policy
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:12 No.186285
    >>186276
    >doesn't understand the concept of "context"

    you probably think romeo and juliet was too violent because it had murders in it huh
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:12 No.186286
    >>186285
    >thinks context has anything to do with a policy being racist or not
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:15 No.186299
    >>185813
    >>185813
    >>185813
    >>185813
    >>185813

    Only person who isn't an idiot on the /news/ board.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:16 No.186304
    >>186286
    so I guess giving the japanese americans money and not everyone else after world war II was "racist" as well, right?
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:17 No.186307
    >>186304

    if it went to people who weren't directly impacted by internment camps, yes. otherwise, no. thats called compensation. it is a vital part of the free market.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:19 No.186319
    >>186307
    >thinks history matters in defining a racist policy
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:19 No.186320
    >>186307
    Well there you go, context matters. Thanks for admitting defeat.
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:21 No.186331
    >>186320

    Nope. The policy wasn't racist because it wasn't based on race. It was based on whether or not you were interned. (I'm guessing, here)

    Whether a policy is racist or not is a function of whether your race actually means anything in the functioning of that policy. Its that simple.

    But nt, kid.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:22 No.186335
    >>186331
    >thinks context has anything to do with a policy being racist or not
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:23 No.186339
    If our society was purely libertarian, we would now be working 18 hour shifts with no healthcare, and the absolute majority will live in slave conditions. See 18th century England.
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:24 No.186342
    >>186335
    >thinks he can read

    but nt, kid
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:24 No.186348
    >>186339

    Nice argument you have there.

    owait
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:26 No.186356
    >>186331
    And by that definition Affirmative Action isn't racist. Even ignoring the fact that white people have used it, women have used it, and so have veterans.

    Affirmative Action doesn't just pull black people from the street and give them shit. It specifically helps those who need it.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:26 No.186359
    >>186342
    nice rebuttal

    it's been fun. screencapped for future lulz
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:28 No.186370
    >>186356
    No, it definitely is, because it explicitly allows the use of race in admissions processes.

    It is also, of course, sexist, classist, and a number of other -ists, but we were just arguing racism here.

    >>186359

    I'd sage and run like a bitch if I were you too.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:28 No.186371
    Niggers don't tip
    They order cheap
    They complain at every chance
    No one wants their business

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pi-9LBtxs&fmt=
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:29 No.186378
    How much green text can one man read or post before his colon implodes?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:29 No.186380
    >>186370
    Just like only Japanese people received reparations.
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:31 No.186390
    >>186380

    Except that was merely a coincidental feature of the reparations being paid based on internment camp status.

    If the way they decided who got paid was 'is he japanese?' then it was racist. If that question had any role in the decision, it was racist. If the policy was properly implemented (I have no idea if it was), it wouldn't need to be racist.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:33 No.186396
    >>186348

    No. What most of this board cannot comperhend, because of stupidity or teen idialism, is that all ideologies are bullshit, because there will always be a mistreated group that will grow over time. The best method of economic reign is whichever gradually rises the average living standard. This can only be aqchieved by largely sponsoring technological research.
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:34 No.186399
    >>186396

    No. Technological research occurs perfectly well under the free market, except in areas where the free market sees no profit. In some of those areas, the case can be made for government support - in others, it cannot.

    The fastest way to raise the living standard of those worst off is to raise GDP. The fastest way to do that is to free the markets.

    Not that anyone should give a fuck about the least well off - they're the least well off for a reason.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:35 No.186403
    >>186390

    Chinese people who were mistakenly sent to the camps also were paid.

    The, "We fucked up, and we're sorry. Here's a present to make up for it. We won't do it again", factor was more important than the actual cash settlement..
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:37 No.186410
    >>186399
    Ludicrous faith in equality of opportunity, are we?
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:37 No.186414
    >>186403

    There we go. It was "was he interned? yes? pay him". Whether or not the money goes to only a particular group is irrelevant if the function by which money (or whatever) is distributed is blind to race or sex or whatever the fuck.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:40 No.186423
    >>186339
    Yes, that was certainly a Libertarian society ruled over by a king. Derp.
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:40 No.186427
    >>186410

    Equality of opportunity is a ridiculous dream. It cannot exist, and if it did, there would be no need for an economy in the first place. True equality of opportunity removes comparative advantage, and thus any basis for trade in the first place.

    They're poor because their parents fucked up, or their grandparents fucked up, or they got unlucky. Boo fucking hoo, none of that justifies theft and redistribution.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:42 No.186435
    Suggest soft racial laws instead of hard ones.

    Examples:

    500% tax on all fried chicken places.

    Any food item not containing pork has a 12 dollar surcharge. (To fuck up the Muslims)
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:44 No.186443
    Contact me at marketfundamentalist@hotmail.com in order to setup a payment method for my opinion. Reality will not impinge on my beliefs about rational actors and the efficient market hypothesis!
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:46 No.186454
    >>186435
    fried chicken is a retarded American cultural stereotype. The rest of the world eats fried chicken, watermelon, and drinks grape juice without batting an eye.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:46 No.186457
    >>186399
    sigh.. a free market, like any other ideology, is not good.
    for instane, did you notice how every specific time unit, you can buy a slightly enhanced version of an existing product? Technology is rapidly advancing, yet you get the same shit with minor improvements for years befotre seeing something truelly exciting. That is because the "free market" aspires to exhaust current income sources, before moving on. Blueprints for "futuristic" technologies exist in every corporation, but they will see the light of production in a long time from now. This corporal greed holds advencement and keeps the life standards from improving. You can bypass this by introducing "non-profit" competition.
    Overall there isn't any ultimate solution, but government investnment in technological research is a sure win. I'm bad at expressing myself in english but I believe you understand what I'm trying to say.
    >> R. Nozick !!36nvBgRfjSb 02/20/10(Sat)12:48 No.186464
    >>186457

    Yes I understand, and you're wrong. Its wasted money.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:48 No.186465
    >>186457
    You got through well enough, and you're right too.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:48 No.186467
    >>185754
    >>186454
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynrrqjt-XWI&fmt=


    Niggers don't tip
    They order cheap
    They complain at every chance
    No one wants their business
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:52 No.186485
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    >>186454

    Shush, nigger.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:53 No.186489
    >>186467
    Thank you, captain copypasta. Maybe if you studied harder, you wouldn't have a shitty job as a busboy.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)12:58 No.186511
    >>186467
    Also Canadians don't tip
    complain about service
    demand people pay attention to them

    thats why wait staff refers to Niggers as Canadians. Because they are the same damned thing
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:01 No.186523
    >>185796
    True but Spaniards are mixed mutts.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:05 No.186552
    >>186467
    >Niggers don't tip

    Well thank Christ for that. Tipping is a sign of the neoliberal erosion of employers' duties and responsibilities, instead levying an extra, unwarranted toll on the customers.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:05 No.186554
    we have lots of 'Microsoft only' signs on government websites now.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:06 No.186558
    >>186552
    And tipping is why we have the best customer service in said industries in the world
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:11 No.186579
    >>185754
    They serve white's what?
    >> /b/LACK MAN 02/20/10(Sat)13:13 No.186591
    >>186467

    :( I always tip based on the customer service.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:46 No.186725
    A new study finds many waiters and waitresses feel that black Americans generally tip less than restaurant diners who are white. The study, by a researcher at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites. In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports.

    The study found that 63 percent of blacks and 30 percent of whites didn't understand that the standard restaurant tip in the United States is 15 to 20 percent. The difference between how blacks and whites view tipping has serious ramifications for restaurants, including lawsuits and lost profits, Williams reports.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:49 No.186731
    To be fair to the niggers I never tip either. Take the queue from mr.pink.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:49 No.186736
    >>186725
    considering most of /new/ is anti - tipping, i don't see how this is bad
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:55 No.186758
    >>186558
    Ahhahaha, have you ever left America?

    In a lot of other countries, being a waiter isn't a job that you take part-time in high school, it's a serious career. We don't have the best customer service system in the world, that's why we're outsourcing everything that doesn't take place in person to India.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)13:57 No.186770
    >>185754
    We wouldn't, as we believe private businesses can discriminate against whoever they wish.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:04 No.186798
    >>186770
    >Translation: I'm white and it doesn't bother me, so I don't care about it
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:06 No.186809
    >>186798

    Yes everyone is just looking for their self interest 100% of the time and any talk of "values" is just brainwashing or propaganda by those evil conservatives right?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:07 No.186813
    >>186809
    If your values consist of permitting oppression because of market worship, yes.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:09 No.186818
    >>186758
    >We don't have the best customer service system in the world, that's why we're outsourcing everything that doesn't take place in person to India.
    >Doesn't really know why everything is outsourced.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:09 No.186826
    >>186813
    It's not oppression. You have no right to be sold something you want.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:10 No.186828
    >>186770

    Go on believing this till you find yourself discriminated against because you aren't the customer they want, not just because of your skin color but your age or how you dress.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:11 No.186839
    >>186758
    >doesn't know they rate wait staff and America is consistantly in the top 5
    >doesn't know more outsourcing jobs come into america then leave it
    >doesn't know a lot
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:12 No.186842
    >>186828
    Yes, people can be pricks. And they have every right to be one.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:14 No.186849
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    >>186828

    >using the WUT IF IT WUZ U argument.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:14 No.186851
    >>186839
    >makes claims
    >doesn't provide source
    >greentext
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:17 No.186860
    >>186851
    >Doesn't have to
    >Its 4chan
    >trolling in a ocean of trolls
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:17 No.186861
    >>186842

    So you wouldn't be angry right? Wouldn't bitch and try to sue or something?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:36 No.186930
    >>186861
    I might be a little angry, as I do believe it is a dick thing to do. But no, I wouldn't sue.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:40 No.186943
    >>186930

    Even if it gets to a point it prevents you from buying anything you need? Or forces you to take more expensive options?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:42 No.186953
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    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:49 No.186991
    ummmm first of all op, quit being a whiny faggot. outlawing biggotry and racism is a form of fucking mind control. if it is a private business they can serve or not serve whatever honky, nigger, spic, kyke, faggot, dyke, mic, wop, or zipper-head they fucking want. lrn2/b/smart
    >> /b/LACK MAN 02/20/10(Sat)14:50 No.187001
    As if there aren't already pretty much whites only businesses in the suburban and rural US.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:51 No.187009
    >>186953
    and you
    im sure that all of that got2be glued hair spiking shit for your mohawk that your mom shaves for you all the time is probably not creating any budget crunching around your families 5000 sq.ft. home so stop thinking your something youre not, faggot
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:51 No.187010
    >>185765
    you mean, like wal mart?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:51 No.187014
    >>187009
    English, please.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:55 No.187029
    Private property is a private property. If the government wants to have blacks employed, may it employ them. If it wants to have restaurants for all kinds of customers, may it establish them.

    Why should the government tell someone whom to employ? Remember: the employer will still do what he wants. He will find a reason to not employ someone he does not want to employ, no matter the laws. The only obstacle for him will be the need to invent some lie in order to avoid telling the real reason.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)14:59 No.187050
    >>187029

    So you complain about niggers not having jobs but you don't want them to have jobs?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:00 No.187052
    >Business owner decides to discriminate against a certain group of people.
    >Different business owner sees potential customers and caters to their needs.

    Which do you think is going to be successful and continue doing business? The guy who limits his customer base, or the guy who takes in all kinds of customers?

    One of these is a competitive model, the other is not.

    In a capitalist system there is no incentive to discriminate because you lose potential profits. Anyone stupid enough to discriminate racially will end up losing out to business who don't give a fuck who shops at their stores.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:07 No.187106
    a business that discriminates will do worse than a business that does not because they are arbitrarily limiting their customer base

    so there is an incentive to not discriminate
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:11 No.187126
    ITT: White people who want white businesses to fail.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:11 No.187130
    >>187050

    Guess why they don't have jobs... If you are on /new/ you probably know the reality of black vs. white crime rates. See, Detroit has an unofficial unemployment rate of 50%. Somehow, these laws do not help when people still know what they do.

    As for the Blacks who do deserve to be employed, the Affirmative Action harms them more than any other people. The employer is never sure whether he employs a genuine talented professional or a retarded child of the AA. Just to make sure he does not make a mistake, he'll give the position to a white male, the one who had to go the most difficult path. If there was no AA, the employer would not even have to consider such things. In the South Korean system mentioned above you just get a certain amount of points by answering a series of test questions. It is totally objective, it does not differentiate between sexes or races. And while it may hurt to be told that you are rejected because of race or gender, it still hurts less than being unjustly accused of something that you know is not true, but is still said to you just because some "plausible reason" must be provided.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:17 No.187161
    Ive addressed this some time ago

    go ahead and discriminate, but dont cry when you get run out of business by people that wont, or a boycott gets organized

    seriously, if you think you can get rich running a business by cutting out 40 percent of the population, then pissing off at least half of the white people who arent racist, then go nuts, whitey

    take your ideals and shove them up your ass, I only care about one color, green, and its always welcome as long as it acts right
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:20 No.187173
    Only legal Mexicans allowed.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:22 No.187186
    I would close this building as I hate racism, we jews are forward thinking and kind
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:24 No.187195
    >>185866

    See Ramapo, NY. Safest city in the US 17% black. Explain why niggers have not fucked it up.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:28 No.187220
    >>187186
    >kind

    lol. Silly, you spelled 'greedy' wrong.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:32 No.187238
    >>187161

    >if you think you can get rich running a business by cutting out 40 percent of the population, then pissing off at least half of the white people who arent racist, then go nuts, whitey

    This. I don't know if it also happens in the USA, but in my country there are discos which apply "selection" politics that basically means you might not be admitted for whatever reason they think of. Something like moderation policy of /b/. At first, people did go to such clubs because it was kind of novelty and they just wanted to check out if they are "cool" enough to be admitted. Yet, when you want to go to the disco with friends (and an overwhelming majority of party-goers do not go there alone) you will not risk the somewhat unpleasant situation involving one or more of your friends being turned down. So these clubs are no longer that popular.

    Whites only club? Why not. How many of you have only white friends? No Asians, no Blacks, no Mexicans... Would you select your friends just to go to some fucking club? These establishments would, indeed, have some niche clientele of KKK members and other racists, I know. But only the desegregated ones could truly succeed commercialy in today's reality.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:33 No.187243
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    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:34 No.187250
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    ATTENTION TO ALL LIBERTARIANS IN THIS THREAD, PLEASE STFU AND GTFO
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:36 No.187260
    >>185754
    only an idiot would refuse to take someones money because of the color of their skin. all money spends the same and i would gladly take it from anyone
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:37 No.187267
    >>187260
    JEW DETECTED
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:38 No.187271
    >>185946

    Doesn't the same go for communism? Attempts at a free market (19th century America) for all their flaws, have been far more successful than attempts at communism.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:38 No.187276
    >>186454
    Grape drink, not grape juice. BIG DIFFERENCE.

    But yeah, that's the funny thing, southern style fried chicken is a white southern thing the blacks picked up. It's not a racial thing, it's just a southern thing.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:39 No.187284
    Yeah, it's their money to lose. If they are idiotic they deserve to fail.

    A long time ago, a university decided not to give tenure to a professor of Economics because he was a Jew. He moved to another one, became the greatest economist of the second half of the 20th century and turned his new home in one of the best Econ schools in the world.
    The school that denied him tenure is now just another one, while the one that hired is one of the most prestigious.


    This is a very extreme example, but it shows how much one can lose by this kind of thing.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:40 No.187288
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    >>187276
    >>187276
    It's grape DRANK, BEEOTCH
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:41 No.187294
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    >>187276
    SUGAR.
    WATER.
    PURPLE.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:42 No.187299
    >>187276
    NIGGA, WHAT THE FUCK IS JUICE???
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:47 No.187331
    >>187260

    You know what? I think you just put into simple words the idea of libertarianism: "LET THE IDIOTS BE IDIOTS". This is why we believe that e.g. drugs and prostitution should be legal. If an adult idiot wants to kill him- or herself with mind-altering chemicals or risk his or her life by selling themselves to HIV-positive Johns, then be it. Who am I to decide what another adult person does with his or her life, body or property? Not my business. If someone wants to willingly exclude 40% of the prospective customers (and possibly more - as I said earlier, groups of friends these days tend to be multiracial quite often, so the Whites from such groups won't go there even if they do qualify for admission) then let the idiot do it. Is it your business, is it your possible bankruptcy? No. Why care, then?
    >> /b/LACK MAN 02/20/10(Sat)15:47 No.187335
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    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:55 No.187379
    The government policy of non-discrimination happened *after* a bunch of blacks got together to raise it as an issue.

    It isn't the case that the 'wise government' saw that niggers were oppressed so they passed some laws to civilize society. It was the opposite. Black people used their socioeconomic, moral and cultural clout to change society's mind about their worth as full participants in society.

    That's how the free market works. If you're strong, you get to affect change.

    Black people were essentially a business that hit the big leagues in the 60's.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:57 No.187389
    >>187379
    so is affirmative action a part of the "free market"
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)15:58 No.187392
    >>186457

    That's an interesting point. But I think for your idea to work the company that was developing the technology would have to have no competitors capable of putting similar products into production.

    If Apple sits on the Super iPad too long, Microsoft will develop an iPad killer and go to market.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:01 No.187413
    >>187389

    But it would've happened without the Government's help.

    The government is just the biggest bully in town. It has the power to take your land, your goods and your rights away legally. Even your life.

    Anybody who wants social change is ofcourse going to appeal to that bully.

    Hmm, I guess it's lucky that our governments (the ones I know of) TEND to be good and fair-minded. But if they were corrupt it could've just as easily blocked and slowed the anti-discrimination laws.

    And the Free Market would've gotten to the solution anyway.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:11 No.187478
    >>187161
    >>187106
    >>187260

    God, Libertarian ideology is so fucking clueless and simplistic. Businesses target segments of the population all the time and do just fine. Just exit your WoW den for once and look at a Curves gym, which by it's very nature excludes at least 50% of the population.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:14 No.187496
    >>187478

    Now imagine if curves excluded non whites.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:16 No.187515
    >>187496
    Imagine if curves excluded non-whites in a society where racism wasn't demonized. Why it would probably do just as well as all the other businesses that existed in such an environment for centuries.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:19 No.187531
    >>185754
    >let the free market deal with it

    Yes actually. A business that turns away easy money isn't going to be profitable and will either fail or adapt to accommodate it's customer base.

    Next question?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:21 No.187555
    >>187515

    Now lets pretend that social norms change and the majority of Western Democracies now support segregation. Would an enterprising politician find a way to make that legal and win an election?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:21 No.187562
    Discrimination is bad for business.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:22 No.187571
    Honestly though, conservatives should love black people.
    Musically, I mean. Think about it. Black people make most rap music. And what does most of it espouse?

    Gun ownership, castle doctrine, free market capitalism, supply and demand.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:24 No.187580
    >>187515

    Or if the people start supporting segregation, then the segregation laws will simply stop being enforced.

    Eventually everything comes down to what the people want. If the people want evil, then a democracy will provide it. It's no different than a Libertarian society.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:25 No.187587
    >>187571

    That is actually quite funny.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:33 No.187653
    What would libertarians say was bad with the government passing anti-discrimination laws?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:38 No.187681
    >>187653
    They would say private business owners should be allowed to racially discriminate.
    >> Anonymous of College Park,MD 02/20/10(Sat)16:38 No.187682
    >how would libertarians deal with discrimination by private business?

    They would deal with discrimination by private business via lawsuits.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/10(Sat)16:38 No.187683
    >>187555
    >>187580
    I person said government could only serve the most common interest and greatest good or be dissolved by the people due to lack of support I would like to think most would see him a naive fool. However when libertarians say the same thing about business it's apparently a self evident genius. Where there is hierarchy there's the ability to impose an elites desires onto the masses.

    Also, it's a mistake to think you can separate the individual from the society. If a person is raised in a racist society, they're much more likely to be okay with racism or reflect their presumed lower position in society.



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