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Some Americans do understand that socialism =/= communism. Old habits die hard. Hopefully the rednecks will continue to lose power.

>>18438
>will continue to lose power.

what power, they have fuck all

democrats/liberals have way more control over everything and they still fucking fail

worst troll attempt ever

>The Democratic Party = Socialists
>The Republican Party = Fascists

Riiiight. I'm sure all the Democrats would love to take all your money and redistribute it. Likewise I'm sure that all Republicans would like to enlist you into the military to enforce the will of the United Christian States of America. Kk, gotcha.

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

The Nazis and Communists are more like "enemy brothers" than opposites of each other.

0/10

>>18464
that's...exactly what the two parties do. democrats-stimulus plan
republicans-Patriot Act

Fascism=Statism
Communism=Statism
Fascism=Communism

>>18495
Right. But their motives are not what the worst exaggerations of their opponents would claim them to be. The Democrat's stimulus plan doesn't make them neo-Stalinists, and the Republican's pandering to the Christian Right in election time doesn't mean they're going to ship off everyone of a different religion to a gas camp in the rockies next time they get in.

Socialism is the enemy of freedom and independent thought. In Europe we have already seen the death of free speech as the socialist enforced PC culture and Muslim apologist have begun to force everyone to fall in line. Meanwhile, it is nearly impossible for a man to start a business or to innovate because the socialist welfare state taxes them so much that they cannot afford to do. The socialist state also creates regulations that prevent any non cronies from being able to start a business.

>>18495
The Communists (and Democrats) also supported surveillance policies that violate your civil rights. Similarly, the Fascists (and Republicans) supported policies that required massive spending of taxpayer money (Bush supported the stimulus before he left the White House). Therefore, Republicans and Democrats both = Communists AND Fascists.

>>18464
lrn2seehwhatsrightinyourfacefaggot

>>18496
non-Statism = aggregate corporate oligarchy

You know what other society functioned by voluntary contract? Medieval feudalism.

>>18438

They will. There was a picture posted on /new/ which showed a breakdown of votes in the last election compared to average IQs of given states. Conclusion: the low-IQ states voted for McCain the fascist, the high-IQ states voted for Obama the socialist.

Intelligent people understand that socialism is a good system and nothing better has been offered so far. To prove this, just compare the relatively conservative UK and socialist France: France has a higher Human Development Index than the UK despite having a lower GDP per capita. I purposefully included countries with a similar demographic profile to invalidate the "niggers and spics" argument. Both France and the UK are approximately 90% European ancestry; Blacks in the UK constitute 2% of the population, in France - 3%, so if the "nigger" argument was true, France should have a lower HDI. It does not. Because of socialism.

WHERE IS YOUR CAPITALISM NOW, USA? Enjoy your horrific punishments for downloading a single mp3 file; after all, the interests of the rich must be protected in your country more than anything else, right?

>>18423

>the EU
>a democracy

>whatthefuckdoyouknow.jpg

>>18616
>France
>socialist

>>18616
it's poor blacks and dumbs in the blue states that vote for the dems. if you look at the breakdown of voters a majority of voters with IQs over 120 voted for the republicans and over 70% of voters who make over 100k a year voted for them (the elites are the smartest members of a society though they are exception). Shae Quay Quay needs to vote dem so she can get another handout.

>>18674

France is always shown as a definition of a socialist state: 35-hour workweek, huge benefits for the HLM-resident population (the French equivalent of the NEET), strikes all the time.

>>18616
wat

I see this as something like this:
Anarchy-->Capitalism-->Socialism-->Fascism-->Anarchy-->...

The growing statism eventualy causes a revolution which perpetuates the cycle.

there are no socialists in the american government, all of them want capitalism at varying degrees

do not tarnish socialism with the democrat party thanks

>>18616
The lowest-IQ (the Christian Right) and the very highest-IQ (wealthy businessman and entrepreneurs) vote Republicans. Obviously the latter group is in an extremely small number so it's a little skewed.

The middle-class which includes your average college educated joe, and your pseudo-intellectual academics and professors (who aren't smart enough to make it in the real world - that's why they teach) vote Democrats. That's why this group is slightly above average IQ in general.

>>18737
>businessmen
>the smartest
>and your pseudo-intellectual academics and professors (who aren't smart enough to make it in the real world - that's why they teach)

No wonder your perception is so skewered, knowing how your country is run by strikebreaking thugs (businessment/the mafia) and anti-intellectual populists ("pundits"). You don't need intellectuals in a predatory military empire whose main values are physical strength, loudness, aggression and conformity.

the middle is gay and the ends are made of shit?

We are fucked.

>>18734

I would not say so. Let's ignore shitholes like Somalia and North Korea and focus on developed countries. It seems that Singapore is at the highest level of statism one can possibly attain without driving a country into poverty, yet, it is richer than the USA (in per capita terms) and has more economic freedom despite severe (by European standards) or quite high (by American standards) restrictions on personal freedoms.

>>18780
>intellectuals

'Intellectual' is something of a misnomer, these people often have very little in the way of intellect.

>>18737
wealth=smart
Yay Flava Flav

>>18780
>businessmen
>thugs

I think you watch too many movies.

>>18799

...needless to say, Singapore is as far from anarchy as it could be. Noone will even dare to piss in the bushes, seriously. The fines are way too high to risk, like $1,000 per one piss in public.

>>18815
I think movies sugar coat the vileness that is a corporate exec.

I'M JACKIN OFF RIGHT NOW

>>18827
There are usually a lot of idiots on corporate executive boards, stupid managers who are clueless and got there by riding through the ranks through vile deeds. However, think back to when the company was originally founded. It takes a special kind of genius to turn a nothing startup into a multi-million dollar business, and that process does not involve much 'evil', but rather a form of calculating business brilliance. The 'evil' usually happens when the company is trying to maintain its position.

No matter the system, capitalism or socialism, all people are slaves. However, in capitalism, the government outsources its right to enslave you to the owners of corporations, which is bad as you do not choose these owners. In socialism, your government itself enslaves you, which is good, because you choose them.

tl;dr: socialism better.

>>18689
>>18737
You idiots need to understand that IQ rarely correlates with a person's success in life.

>>18873
Funny, i never took an IQ test where I vote.

>>18873

Bush and Palin being perfect examples.

>>18827
Gordon Gecko says you don't know shit.

>>18873
It's because the IQ tests are flawed and do not properly calculate an individual's intelligence in ways that actually matter.

>>18873
Still using this debunked chart sans context to troll, huh?

Trolling used to mean something.

>>18873
People vote based on their opinions, rarely on the issues and facts. If you don't understand this you are a piece of shit and a faggot.

there are no iq databases that can be used to determine mean iq of different states. I guess the closest possibility would be mensa population density.

>>18873

According to IQ and Global Inequality, average IQs of nations range from 62 to 108 (measured IQs only, I don't count extrapolations and dubious results like the one for Equatorial Guinea obtained by measuring an average IQ of retarded SPANISH children). Somehow, not a single nation with an average IQ below 80 has managed to become a developed one (by this I mean an HDI of 0.900 or higher, it is an official UN definition of a developed country). So yeah, IQ does matter as far as groups of people are concerned. It also matters as far as individuals are concerned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

>>18940
lol stupid nazi stfu

OP, you're an idiot and it's hard to believe you're from europe. Neither the Dems or Repubs are any kind of extreme. Well, the Repubs to an extent. If anything the problem with the Dems is that they're not extreme enough, so they don't see through a lot of their stuff, thus never proving to the right that lefty politics can work.

>>18951
Maybe because historically speaking the U.S. is a centre-right country?

COMMUNISM WILL BRING US VICTORY!

I BUILD VAGINA!

>>18979
>centre
>pretending to know what the U.S. "is"

>>18873
this is false. there is a lot of evidence which proves it is the single best predictor of economic success. read the bell curve.

>>18947
Spoken like a true liberal.

>>18947

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of all ethnic groups, at 115 points. Also, one of the countries that meets the criterion of "at least 80 points" is 90% Black, 4% White and 6% other (mostly Mulatto). AFAIK Nazis hated Jews and Blacks, so your argument is invalid. Now, go vote Republican and sue your kids teacher for informing your children about the Darwin's theory of evolution - something accepted by all the world's intelligent people, but not by retarded Christian fanatics a.k.a. Republicans.

>>18989

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_right

Prove me wrong.

>>19009
You're spelling center in a British way.

>>19009
>wikipedia
lol

>>19017
Some of us prefer the standard English spelling to the German-inflected colonial speech. Delicatessen? Wieners? Can you say Sieg Heil?

>>19017
And?

>>19036
>>19037
His whole point (NOT MINE) is that you would no nothing of the US because you are spelling it in a British way.

>>19055
Except I'm an American by birth.
Try again.

>>At least we here in the EU don't have to pretend we are not voting for socialism when we do so. We already understood that it is the best system ever created.

trolls trolling trolls trollling trolls trolling

>>19036
lol
Point

Your head

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060810-evolution.html

I am perfectly sure it's the Republicans fault.

The problem with this argument is that most European countries are much more homogeneous than the US. They are also much smaller (in both population and size).

>>19064
Because when you are born somewhere, all the relevant information about that place is automatically uploaded to your brain.

>>19064
You best address that to the correct person then because I don't give a shit.

>>19065

Socialism = universal and free education, healthcare, sometimes even housing. As you probably know, the dumber the parents, the more kids they tend to have. Under socialism, the state will take care of the kids and will do a lot to try to make them productive in the future. Under capitalism, their education and welfare will depend entirely on their stupid parents. As a result, socialist countries are inherently higher achievers in terms of the HDI. There is no doubt about it. However, more capitalist countries tend to be richer in per capita terms - but the income is also less equally distributed.

>>19076

That's why there was a "UK vs. France" post to eliminate much of these factors. Socialism is inherently more effective in providing basic necessities like health care, education, housing etc. Capitalism is worse at that, but it succeeds at providing more income to those who are needed on the job market. Thus, Americans have more cars and more TVs per 1,000 people than Europeans, but their life expectancy is lower (shitty, extremely ineffective yet costly healthcare).

>>19208
>implying health care is the biggest contributor to life expectancy

no

>>19423

yes.