This is the price retards pay when they're duped into going to an ivy league school.

It's like buying a pair of Nike's. They're just like any other shoe, but you pay $50 more for the fucking logo.

>Elizabeth Hicks fears for the future sustainability of the funding system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x-QCmsx2WI

>Psychology student, Kristen Smith, says she expects to be in her forties before she pays off her university debts, which are already at $80,000 (£53,000) and rising.

>And she says unambiguously that students are choosing universities based on cost.

>It's a big sacrifice for herself and her family, she says, but worth the investment. Not going "was never an option".

>>1413842
In some cases going to an ivy pays off

like in a technical degree or if you're liberal arts it at least gives you the chance to network with the rich.

And this assuming that degree you get is still viable in years to come or else it's back to school for you for another degree in a different field that is viable at that time

It's understandable based on this why now so many more people are inclined to join the armed forces instead for security and possibly a degree from it.

I have no sympathy for those kids. You want to go to college so bad, do an enlistment and the GI Bill will pay for your college. It is what I did and I don't regret it.

>learn a trade instead of going to college
>no debt
>lots of money

Problem?

>>1413863
not everyone can join
I've tried 3 times and been rejected for failure to obtain a hearing waiver for slight hearing loss in 1 ear

>>1413852
lib artsfag here at a school with a pricetag of > $53,000/yr

thank god tuition is pretty much covered by the school, but still taking out almost $15,000 in multiple loans a year totally fucking blows

it's even better when you go into that kind of debt and then can't find a job in your field of study. then you end up working at a shit job with lots of people who never went to college at all, and in many cases they are your superiors.

>Go to an expensive private school, or a fancy Big Name university
>Major in a language/art history/poli-sci/women's studies/etc.
>get a job that doesn't pay shit because you've wasted 4 years earning a degree in something that has no real value in a field that is already crowded.
>complain that college is too expensive

If we didn't have a glut of faggots majoring in liberal arts and soft "sciences" this wouldn't be a problem. But instead we have a generation of clueless fucks that decided, "oh I'll be a psychologist so I can listen to people talk on a couch all day."

>In terms of the toughest pressure point, where the support fades away and the big bills arrive, she says it is for families with a combined income of around $130,000 (£86,000).

and here i thought i was middle class with a combined household income of 70k

>>1413877
story of my life
I nearly lost it when one of them turned around and asked me "how do you write both?"

>>1413863
There are a number of problems with this.

-No one should have to spend years in the military. This is an unreasonable demand.

-Many people are simply not military material, either physically or mentally. If a man is of a very academic persuasion and would have a very hard time in the military, should he be denied education?

-The military needs to be reduced in size, not increased.

>>1413912

>implying that people who are academically inclined don't receive scholarships

Dumb kids:
- put no real thought into their future career, do no research
- choose a major because it'll be easy
- rack up 4 years of debt, then get a lousy job

Smart kids
- establish clear goals for their future
- research the highest paying professions
- choose a major in a challenging field that will make them a valuable asset to any company that hires them
- rack up 4 years of debt, get a high paying job
- pay off loans in under 10 years

>>1413917

>>1413888
as much as i am worried about having a shit job market for me when i graduate, i will know that i went to a school that was the perfect fit for me, doing a major that was the perfect fit for me.

i'm beyond fucked for paying off this debt, but at the same time, i haven't really set myself up for doing something i will hate for the rest of my life, either.

>>1413917
if there's no money you don't

>>1413919
>implying the market doesn't change, derp

>>1413828

>This is total bullshit.

I absolutely fucking agree. University should be free for all students but only limited to the smartest and hardest working of our citizens.

>>1413850

Oh man, this shit is hilarious, so glad I didn't go to college.

I went to college and became a teacher, I don't like it very much and plan on starting my own business in a completely unrelated field. (Opening a restaurant)

I wish I would have just never went and used the money to start a business, but If I had done that I would have never gotten any of the contacts that I have now.

>>1413919
smart kids:
-pay attention to the networking resources available to them (fuck yeah, Private College alumnae network!)

-major in something that sustains their respective interests, not because of the lucrative potential. hurr durr i am a chemist working for Big Pharm and i fucking hate my job because i know i kill people every day but look at my hueg paycheck! i am a lawyer who hates defending paedophiles! derp but it pays well! i am going to kill myself now.

-do activities that mean something to them. get involved in multiple ways. make themselves sound like they actually make time in the day to do something else besides studying. play music, have an art exhibit, play lacrosse, fix computers, who fucking knows.

>>get into ivy league school
>>study science/math/engineering/law
>>get connections and good job
>>tuition and debt become chump change

In theory, this should happen

>>1413828
>Even if alot of you are closet leftist dickheads

Why do you think there are leftists?

Smarmy cockcheesed putz...

>>1413990
4 year degree brah.
200k? To regard that as chump change would be to be guaranteed a six figure job straight out of uni.

>>1414008

If you can't get enough scholarships to bring tuition down to around 100k, you're probably pushing your luck in the first place. That said, most engineer/CS majors can get 50k ish jobs right out of college and can easily make 100k mid career.

My friend is going to school to be a hotel party organizer or something like that

When she told I said, "Cool" while laughing on the inside

>>1413872
>>1413863

The military won't take me because I'm almost legally blind.

My plan

Get BSN and work during my school, if I can find a job
With the debt from the BSN, join the Air Force and have them pay it off while I get 2-4 years experience in my field

>>1413888

This is why our for-profit education system is such bullshit. Why the fuck even offer degrees in the arts and soft sciences if it isn't going to net you a decent career in the end? What the fuck?! So if we want to make college a worthwhile investment, you have to choose science or math or possibly business?

Only capitalist dicks and free market apologists can think about that concept and not think something is wrong with that picture.

>>1414033
*told me, I

>>1414033
If she remotely applies herself she could end up going to parties all the time and working for a chain with a good internal job board which would allow her to live all over the world.


The hospitality industry can actually be great to get into. Its extremely important that she researches international jobs before accepting them if she doesnt decide to join a domestic chain though.

>>1414059
fuck yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x-QCmsx2WI

>>1414059

>implying one needs some kind of degree in art to be successful at anything "artistic" in nature.

>>1414059
>forgot that most artists are also profiteers and there is absolutely no difference between how each market functions.

>>1414096
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LofaJ66bWM

loans are what ruined the US education. As long as the money is there they'll charge whatever the fuck they want.

pic related

>>1414097

OK, so why even offer degrees in Liberal Arts, English Lit, English Language, Art Studies, hell, and BA degree at all? I'm just saying, if you can't find a job that can realistically allow you to pay back the thousands of dollars of loans it took to get the BA, why offer it as an option?

Fact is, our university should be free. Like in a lot of other nations, we who are working our asses off to finish college should not be in financial free-fall the moment we earn our degrees. It should be a celebration and the start of a worthwhile career, not "Oh shit, now I'm done, and my loan payment is due in 6 months, shit, I don't have a good job, how am I gonna get out of my parent's house and pay back my loans if nobody will hire me?" Trust me, that conversation is happening in the heads of millions of recent BA field graduates at this moment.

>>1414143
>this is what liberals actually believe

>>1414143
because people will pay for it. College is a business if you haven't figured it out and that money you loaned to pay for it is backed by the feds

>>1414160

Prove me wrong.

>>1414143
Guess they should have used some common sense and maybe come up with a cost-benefit analysis.

>>1414180
enjoy your robot society then. i really hope you hate reading fiction. or the ability to read in general.

>>1414180

Because everybody heads into college only looking at how much money we can make.

Some of us actually want to pursue fields we are interested in, not what will earn us the most cash.

Capitalism does rob people of their souls. It's a sad day indeed when college is used as another tool to chase the million-dollar dragon.

>>1414193
>implying a piece of paper grants you the ability to create art

>>1414201
Guess you should have picked a college in your price range or hold of college till you can afford it.

>>1414193
if you can write "good" no piece of paper can impede your path to success

PS NEVER GO FULL RETARD

>>1414216
>hold off*

>>1414203

Somebody needs to learn reading comprehension.

The dude is saying that if everyone goes into college with that attitude, it takes away the freedom of choice.

In other words, "You know, I'm really interested in pursuing my BA in English in route to maybe studying to be an English Professor...oh wait, that field isn't where the money is, guess I better go into engineering instead!"

>>1414201

Pursue what you're interested in. There's a market for it somewhere. Your talents are still relevant to society, so you can make use of them. Doesn't mean you get your education about it for free though.

>>1414233

If everyone goes into engineering, the market will be flooded with engineers and their salaries will T A N K.

Professors deserve to earn 40x the minimum wage. That is all.

>>1414242
Not nearly as many are needed anyway, most large corporations have been moving R&D to Singapore, India, or other nations for the last decade.

>>1414244
>I believe everything my marxist sociology professor says, even if it is a direct logical contradiction
stay classy liberals

>>1414133
yeah i might go to college one day, learn some stuff, but i'm waiting for that bubble to pop

meanwhile i'm working and making money and not being in debt. pretty awesome.

>>1414233
>chose career with low pay
>complain about pay

>>1414203
what kind of society would you want to live in? do you really want your children growing up learning strictly hard sciences and mathematics? ok so we have awesome buildings and maybe the cure for AIDS finally, but then you start having people not able to think critically about the world around them.

so maybe you don't need a piece of paper saying you can paint pictures well (i even agree with that), but what if that person were to go on to teach art at an elementary school? or to up the ante here a bit, teach art to abused youth? inspire an inner-city youth to reach his/her full potential? you get the idea.

science without the arts (ie liberal arts) is useless. arts without sciences is useless.

and really, you're against soft sciences? should nobody learn history anymore? become a political analyst?

seriously, enjoy your 1984, bro.

>>1414275
>not able to think critically about the world around them.
That's exactly what the sciences teach you.

>>1414275
if you want to learn that shit, get a job, save up, spend it on your education

nobody is stopping you. quit your fucking bitching.

>>1414252

A sad day that will be too, because I work at a major research University right now while my wife's in school.

The money's not, but once that bubble bursts (and it will), I may be fucked on a job. I'll be fine, but if it happens before she gets out of school, things might get tough for a bit.

>>1414251
think of the kids and their future
their the ones guiding them into the future, I shuld now dey tought me so mush
they need lots of money and their 4 month vacations

>>1414275
see
>>1414234

>>1414251
Perhaps he had some nice teachers.

I think they should get a good paycheck based on what they can turn out.
All this rightwing media crap about busting unions is backward. Unions just need to loosen the tenure trap and WORK WITH THEM. All unions, I believe, should work at least part time in the postions they represent

>>1414295
>money's not great

God damn I need to lay off on the weed.

>>1414251
No, we mean a competetive salary for people to fight to EARN the position, which would produce a better class of professor. You know, use the free market to create improvements by creating a market for a valuable position.

Sort of like how you like to suck the dicks of those who suck corporate dicks. You're trying to show that you're a good cocksucker.

>>1414282
i am fully confident that my experience gained in college will guarantee me a job somewhere. i am spending a whole lot to go to school but i was never discouraged from going where i wanted, either. and no, i am not getting help. i will be repaying this stuff by myself. i may even have to enlist in the fucking military, but shit will come together eventually.

still doesn't mean that we should have to rely /that/ much on fucking loans. seriously, the US really fucks over its middle class population.

>Implying I went to a University/4-year college.

Community college is the way to go. I haven't payed a cent out of my pocket. In fact, they're fucking paying me to go with financial aid. I don't pay for housing since I live with my parents, and I'll finish with a degree with nothing owed, or transfer and pay half of what Universityfags payed after that.

Shit is so cash.

>>1414312
you got the whole supply/demand thing backwards. bet you're a keynesianist too.

>>1414314
>i am fully confident that my experience gained in college will guarantee me a job somewhere.
are studying medicine? or something related to oil?

>>1414327
no, i am doing shit that i want to do here in school... that includes stuff outside of my course of study.

Why feel sad? The only people doing this are

1. On major scholarships/grants/loans and will be making more than enough money when they get out to pay it off
2. Children of exceedingly wealthy parents who can afford it
3. Really retarded to not just go to an instate school for a degree at a quarter or less of the cost, which is then easily payable even if taken in loans working at almost any job one could get after receiving a bachelor's degree

Is the job market tough right now? Sure. But MIT grads and Yale and Harvard grads are gonna be okay, and if they wanna pay this much for the same education they could receive elsewhere, well that's their prerogative and no one else has a right to judge.

>>1414314
>experience gained in college
>guarantee me a job
>probably liberal arts degree

I hope you at least had the foresight to intern or get a real job at some point.

>>1414335
oh yeah you'll be able to get a job if you're graduating like...this year or next. have fun when the loans bubble bursts.

>Psychology student

>80,000 debt and rising

Go to community college you stupid fucking people

>>1414323

Money is the lifeblood of a civilization, AND a tool. To make it a religion like you have is to make the currency a lie, and worth-less.

If teachers are not worth the price you paid, you have only yourself to blame.

>>1414338
not sad at all. the upcoming bubble bursts and depression in general is going to kick this country's ass and force a hard shift to the right. think greatest generation 2.0

>Even though the cost might seem sky-high, she says the real cost of tuition is double what is charged - and the university has to use endowments to subsidise student places.

How the fuck can it cost $100,000 each year for each student. What a bunch of fucking bullshit.

>>1413863
yes you do regret it, even if you dont want to admit to yourself, you know in your heart what you did was wrong

>>1414365
oh god I hope so

Outside of murika you don't need a degree for every job. There are too many people going to university in murika and is happening to Australia also. In my experience I have not met one student who has an interest in my chosen field (economics) nor do they think critically of it. Do we really need these people at university? They won't get a productive job and they won't contribute to human knowledge.

University is overpriced for what it is. How can it cost $50k? Assuming there are 20 students in a tutorial each tutor should earn $1 million less admin and cost of hiring the room. Here I pay $6k per year without a scholarship and the loans are provided by the government with zero real interest. Amerika is not the world leader.

YOU ARE NOW AWARE THAT SMART PEOPLE GO TO COLLEGE AND GET DEGREES TO NETWORK, NOT FOR THE DEGREE ITSELF. Some professions, like doctors, are slightly exempt from this fact of life, but for most people, a liberal arts degree can be the most valuable motherfucking thing in the world if you get connections with the right people

>>1414371
three words:

Collegiate Sports Programs

it doesn't cost anywhere near 100,000 grand a semester to teach anyone anything, ever. It should only cost about 50 grand a year to pay ANY teacher, that's what they're worth, that's MEDIAN INCOME for most families of 4 in the States.

The simple fact is that these colleges blow money like it's not theirs (because it's not) and then complain that the costs to educate students are too high and so they jack up the fees even more, but the truth is they're blowing most of that cash on their football/basketball/baseball teams.

College sports should be outlawed.

I recall just a few years ago before I graduated from college...

The university was buying flat screen tvs and putting them up all over campus, and giving the basketball team fucking mopeds. MAYBE YOU FUCKERS COULD CHARGE LESS IF YOU WEREN'T WASTING MONEY ON FRIVOLOUS SHIT.

For gods sake, we are so backwards. The fucking Soviet Union had free education through tertiary, when will we catch up?

>>1414371
of course it's bullshit. we're looking at the beginning of the education-industrial complex because people can't afford the bullshit anymore.

however, we're entering a deflationary period, which will kick the ass of anyone holding debt. going to wipe out so many fucking bubbles i'm just giddy with the thought. only thing that keeps me cheery in the scope of things anymore.

>>1414385
>a liberal arts degree can be the most valuable motherfucking thing in the world if you get connections with the right people

Yeah, like making connections with the guy who owns your local McDonald's because the phrase "Would you like fries with that?" is going to become your mantra with that attitude.

>>1414379
because everyone is so fucking desperate to go to college, they can get away with charging insane rates

>>1414397
the soviet union also collapsed.

>>1414400

You're a fucking idiot.

>>1414404
You're the one going after a lib arts degree and pretending that making connections is going to get you a job when you get out.

Sorry bro, world don't work that way.

>>1414385
i got a job in high school and made WORK connections and i got a -second- job a few months ago, even when my state unemployment is the third highest in the nation

>>1414400
protip the liberal arts degree is still worth shit, but the connections are worth it

>>1414352
fortunately my Expensive Private Liberal Arts College offers grant money to do an unpaid internship, which i did last summer.

right now (for the summer) i am getting paid to do a stupid tech job at school but i will be fixing computers as well. my work study job at school has given me experience working with all kinds of AV equipment. to most people around here it probably doesn't sound like much, but there is definitely someone out there who will need well-rounded people to work for them.

>>1414359
i'm not quite sure how to interpret your statement, so i'll jusy say ii'll be graduating in the spring of next year.

I got a bachelor's degree in industrial electricity and an associate's degree in electrical engineering for less than $5,000.

Why are people so fucking stupid with their tuition fees?

>>1414407

>pretending that making connections is going to get you a job when you get out.

>Sorry bro, world don't work that way.

I say again: You're a fucking idiot

>>1414407

>pretending that making connections is going to get you a job when you get out.

>Sorry bro, world don't work that way.

Wait...what? That's exactly how the world works.

You certainly don't need the liberal arts degree to make connections, either.

My face when I, an illegal immigrant, gets full scholarship to Columbia University.

>>1414420
well use up that job while it lasts

dunno how you cant understand the concept of a bubble

>>1414422
who cares, less people going to sensible schools, lower tuition for us

>>1414402
>The Soviet Union also collapsed
Hint: It was due to overspending on military as well as a number of geopolitical factors, not because they ensured every citizen had the right to a good education

>>1414420
btw unpaid internships is just working for free. you're not going to get a job, they're just going to get interns from the next round of students.

>>1414385


10/10

>>1414386

College sports saved me a lot of money, step your athleticism game up

>>1414432
well it certainly didnt help

i really dont know why you're using the soviet union as an example. life was a living hell there, it wasnt much better than north korea.

>>1414423
You can buttocks pain and call names all you want but the facts are that the only job you're going to be getting with your "connections" is a part time teaching gig with no tenure at the local community college while you work on your masters or doctorate so MAYBE you can one day teach at a University and MAYBE one day get tenure.

If you were going for a real degree, and not some liberal arts crap, then maybe those connections would help you, but as it stands, you mad because the truth hurts.

Get over it.

>>1414437
the job was a joke, but i can say that i have archival experience. it was such a wonderful experience

>>1414438

Are you seriously disputing the power of networking?

>>1414455
>finished 2 consecutive sentences with the word 'experience'

god i need to go to bed

>>1414445

I used to take guitar lessons from a guy who had no degree whatsoever and was a professor at a private and a state university.

>>1414431
honestly, this whole notion of a 'bubble' is new to me. i'm also not an econ person.

>>1414466
then that university is shit

You can't even teach in my state without at minimum a bachelor's and then only in two year college and below (High school, middle, whatever) and to teach at university level you have to have at minimum a masters

Protip!

"Connections" only matter if you're working in the financial industry. And only if you're already rich.

>>1414459
Are you seriously telling us you need to pay ~40K to get contacts?

>>1414474
oh and let me also point out that teaching "guitar" at university is lol

fucking liberal arts colleges man. Of course you can teach at one of them without a real degree, it's not a real education you're receiving.

>>1414426
>>My face when you deserve it if you entered an ivy league school with your own talents and abilities and not because your parents have money or as a legacy or a sports player or some gay shit like that

feelsokman.jpg

danishfag here

enjoying my socialism

government paying for my university degree - i'm one year away from my masters degree

government pays me a monthly stipend that covers my food and dorm living quite nicely

i am debt free

i would much be taxed higher (danish income tax is around 45%) than fuck myself over financially untill i'm in my late 50s.

feels very good man

>>1414474

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/pittsburgh-pa/duquesne-university-3258

Looks pretty good to me (says it's a tier 1 school), but I've never been to college.

>>1414492
only possible because you live in a primarily white, relatively underpopulated, welfare state society and those are going out of style like parachute pants.

Enjoy your good fortune while it lasts because Eurozone is fucked in the coming decades.

Might get that degree and consider a move to Canada.

>>1414484

Well wait though, he didn't teach guitar at university he taught music theory.

>>1414432
Quality of life by any measurable quantity was vastly improved in the Soviet period than the Tsarist or even post-soviet times.

>>1414494
>>1414503
yep thanks for proving my point.

He teaches music theory which is one of the most bullshit courses you can take in one of the most bullshit degree paths you can take.

Might as well say "He didn't have a degree and he teaches art interpretation in University" so I can laugh even harder.

Please. What a fucking joke. Music theory.

Next you'll be praising the african american feminist history teachers too.

Anyone can get the job that idiot has because, again, he's not actually teaching a real and useful subject.

>>1414477

How else will you meet these people and have a legitimate excuse to be in their life?

>>1414511
Yes, we realize that life in the late 1800s was shit and that you really couldn't do anything but improve from the situation of the common serf in Russia during that period of time, but that doesn't mean the Soviet Union was a good thing.

Brotip: Life was just as shitty in America and the rest of Europe for the common man in that period of time and look how much better our society is 100 years later versus the Soviets.

>>Fact is, our university should be free.

>>Fact is ... should be free

>>Fact should

I believe, sir, you mean you *opinion* is that university should be free.

>>1414502

we'll see - move to canada? well, again, with no economic debt I will have it much easier to move anywhere I want

feels good man

>>1414513
god you are a tool.

>DEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP FREE EDUCATION SOCIALIST COMMUNIST WE MUST PAY EVERYTHING WE HAVE FOR OUR EDUCATION OR ELSE ITS WORTH NOTHING HHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRP

>>1414513

>Anyone can get the job that idiot has because, again, he's not actually teaching a real and useful subject.
>Anyone can get the job that idiot has

But wait... Your entire argument was that not just anyone could get the job that he has. You wrote a whole paragraph about how if you didn't have (at minimum) a masters degree in a field you deem worthwhile, you would just spend your time in a position at a community college.

I provide an example of a man who has done precisely what you said can't happen and you laugh at me?

Well I say you are trolling, sir.

>>1413865

BUT.. HAHAHA YOU ARE A HANDY WORKER! HA.. YOU ARE FILTHLY! HAHAH LOO.. LOOK AT YOURSELF! YOU ARE SERVANTS TO THE RICH PEOPLE WITH A PROPER EDUCATION LIKE MYSELF! HAHA..
HA.

>>1414519
>legitimate excuse to be in their life?

whatthefuckamireading.jpg

And what people, there are many ways to meet people for fucks sake. You can even do it for free.

>>1414540
No, I'm just telling you the truth. Universities and colleges hire lots of idiots who have no talent. There's a reason why it's said that those who can, do, and those who cannot, teach, and this guy is the perfect example of it.

Plays guitar, has no degree, has no talent which would allow him to sell his music to a national or world wide audience which would then allow him to survive off his own efforts at improving human society so what does he do? He settles for teaching at some dumbass university willing to hire him without a degree to teach a course no one in their right mind takes unless they just need some extra credits and it looks like an easy course to fill those requirements.

This is the story of virtually every liberal arts teacher in every two and four year university in America, and probably the world. Change a few titles and names, but the ending remains the same.

Using the guy as an example of success is lol.

>>1414520
Russia was not anywhere near as advanced as the western nations at the turn of the 20th century. It's straight out historical revisionism to say 'Life was just as shitty in America and the rest of Europe for the common man'

wait

what is this money used to pay for?

>>1414568
Ah no, what I said was that you need at minimum a masters to teach in my state's universities, and this is true

What you've given is an example of what is effectively a collegiate version of an affirmative action hire. This is like using the fat old Wicca believers who teach Witchcraft courses at Universities credit simply because they "work" at a university or college.

Believe it or not, colleges and universities will let almost anyone teach anything if they can show they have coursework for the work, but often they won't tie any credits to the course, and they only pay the teacher just enough to teach the class, if that. Often these people are volunteers.

Music theory is a fucking joke of a class. If you've been to a college or university you'd understand that.

Come back when the guy is teaching a class with substance. Thanks.

>>1414585
The Tsar was trying to get them there but to call it historical revisionism is just flat out historically wrong.

Everyone lived in shithole houses, without running water, they threw their shit in the streets with the dogs and the bums and the horses. Electricity and other modern conveniences didn't exist.

Even comparing from 1920 on, though, you can see that the USSR was a bad government style which HINDERED progress far more than it helped.

Comparing shit to less stinky shit and then saying the less stinky shit is okay because it stinks less is mind bogglingly stupid.

Life in the USSR might have been marginally improved from the late 1800s, but had they been a capitalist society, things would have been several thousand times better than they were even under the USSR.

USSR had the chance to be to the world what the USA is and has been for half a century and they fucked it all up with their bad ideas. Simple reality.

>>1414586
the deans kick ass ferrari
schools are businesses run for profit

Semi related
http://video.pbs.org/video/1485280975/

>>1414575

>There's a reason why it's said that those who can, do, and those who cannot, teach,

Hey let me introduce you to a man named Spike Lee, director of such movies as Malcolm X, Summer of Sam, and Driving Miss Daisy.

He teaches film at NYU and Columbia.

He smirks at your self-aggrandizing, suburbanite, neckbearded engineering student worldview.

>>1414612
>implying spike lee is relevant

Go back to your black liberation history class and affirmative action hires world bro, we don't want you round these parts.

Oh and yes, a far left film maker teaching at the most far left institution in the United States. Big surprise. You still aren't making a point.

Here's another one for you: Teaching is for the A students, because it's the B and C students who actually accomplish things in life, while the A students are too busy kissing ass and sticking their heads in books and living in a world of "theories" to actually make things happen in a world governed by "Facts" and "Actions"

What's funny is you think arguing that since Spike Lee teaches at COLUMBIA university (if you knew anything about Columbia University you wouldn't be using it as an example of anything except a brain washing cult of leftists) somehow validates this dumb music THEORY teacher bum you're arguing is an example of "networking" success when the guy didn't even attend college.

It doesn't. It just makes me laugh at how fucking inane and ignorant you are.

>>1414588

>Ah no, what I said was that you need at minimum a masters to teach in my state's universities, and this is true

>>1414445

>You can buttocks pain and call names all you want but the facts are that the only job you're going to be getting with your "connections" is a part time teaching gig with no tenure at the local community college while you work on your masters or doctorate so MAYBE you can one day teach at a University and MAYBE one day get tenure.

>the only job you're going to be getting with your "connections" is a part time teaching gig with no tenure at the local community college while you work on your masters or doctorate

>get proven wrong

>Wahhhhhh but that's not a real subject!

Lol you're like a talk radio pundit.

>my face when I enjoy free university education in Fingolia.

>>1414635
>implying working as a music theory teacher at any university isn't the equivalent of teaching a liberal arts program at a no name college

No really, you're too dumb to comprehend things like English. Or reality.

>>1414627

I'm a different person talking about Spike Lee here, as a math teacher I was quite offended by your comments about teachers.

How do you want me to "do" math? How are kids in the future supposed to learn math?

>ITT: butthurt liberal art majors rationalize their poor choices

Keep it up, comic gold in here

>>1414641
>>Implying Columbia and NYU are no-name

you're right, he should be teaching at the pride of the south, Arkensaw State!

>>1414647
>oh no someone got offended

Yeah I really couldn't care less if you choose to be offended. Maybe it's because the truth hurts. In fact I"d say that's the most likely reason.

And how do you "do" math? Are you fucking dumb? Pretty much any engineering job or science related industry heavily relies on "doing math" you dumb shit.

Hey, I'm not saying there isn't a place for teachers, everyone has to learn, but you guys are NOT that important, and the vast majority of you are doing your job because you couldn't handle using your talents in the real world, where you have to actually APPLY them and not just RELAY them to others.

And Spike Lee, again, is working for Columbia because he's a major liberal activist in Hollywood and the guys who run that University have a hard on for that shit. Most of them had their most important moments during the Civil Rights movements and anti war movements of the 60s and they've never really grown up from that shit. Of course they love the guy who glorified Malcolm X in film.

Are you retarded or something?

>>1414599
Russia was 50-100 years behind the western countries, in addition to nearly eliminating illiteracy, infant mortality and vastly improving lifespans and access to basic services like electricity and water the Soviet economy was still growing and thriving during the great depression. While the US economy under glorious capitalism had stagnated to the point where it took a world war to get them out the Soviet Union provided nearly full employment and the economy was growing at an unprecedented rate.

>>1414653
NYU is a good state university. Columbia is a liberal circle jerk.

Both are full of leftists but only one is a joke.

>>1414661
Yes, yes, the USSR did what EVERY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY DID with Capitalism. And then they went on to institute gulags, lock up their party members in apartment complexes in massive Party cities with elevators into their kitchens so the secret police could arrest them at the drop of a hat, while the Party starved the plebes out in the country side and sent them all shoe less into the front lines of not one but TWO major world wars and not a goddamn bit of rationalizing that existence is going to invalidate these facts and the fact that had the Soviet embraced freedom, liberty and capitalism they couldn't have done all that, and then some, and wouldn't still be around today as a major global power, rather than the butthurt oil hungry oligarchs the nation is today.

>>1414648
I think they're more pissed off at the notion that a well-rounded education is pointless. Good luck being an uncritical drone.

Of course there are plenty of people who will appreciate your ignorance. In fact, you probably already vote Republican.

>>1414674
>>NYU
>>State
>>myface.jpg

Anyways, you got it backwards. Columbia is a good school considering its Ivy League, NYU is full of hipsters, trust fund kids, and artsy faggots. The only good part of it is its Business school. And I studied Liberal Arts (History) there. Got a decent job as a teacher that pays the same as if I were an engineer (middle class) so I'm not complaining.

>>1414680
>implying you get a well rounded education in university as it stands

You really don't. And a more focused education is actually better. You don't want to be a jack of all trades, master of none, when you're going for a specialized degree in a highly competitive field.

and the swedes feel sorry for brits because of how much we have to pay... it's fucking free for them. DAT MASTER RACE.

>>1414680
>huuuuurrr duurrr
>assumptions assumptions assumptions assumptions
>assumptions assumptions

>>1414687
NYU is full of those types of STUDENTS but their teachers are not that way. Well not as much.

Columbia is what you get when you let all those hipster faggot students run the school.

>>1414674
>Yes, yes, the USSR did what EVERY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY DID with Capitalism.
And all it was done with immediate benefit to the people (at least until Stalin successfully purged the Old Bolsheviks and implemented party privileges) while western workers had to fight for ever little scrap from the bourgeoisie Soviet workers had their share guaranteed by the very structure of their state. Yes, the USSR during Stalinism had much political repression, but that's hardly relevant to the discussion at hand.

>>1414680

>implying that education needs to be well-rounded rather than educating
>implying that not studying liberal arts makes someone ignorant
>implying liberal arts are truly necessary to society after secondary education, unless one is going to be moving on to educate others in liberal arts

>>1414698
>And all it was done with immediate benefit to the people

Sure, for that brief five minutes before the party realized that they had absolute power if they merely reached out and grabbed it.

What part of this don't you get? The theory is fucking flawed for a reason. The people get what they want for about five seconds, and then they pay the price for that shit for the next 100 years. You really think the rest of us want to live that way?

We had to fight for our rights, but we didn't have to give everything up for 5 generations to achieve them for a brief glimmer.

By putting the Party in absolute power, you're leaving only one option for the future: Someone with the balls to take that power is going to and then you're fucked.

>>1414698
>Yes, the USSR during Stalinism had much political repression, but that's hardly relevant to the discussion at hand.

Ah, no, that's actually the most relevant point. You want to glorify the 5 seconds of glorious freedom, and ignore the next CENTURY of SHIT. No, sorry. Not going to happen.

You can try to glorify that shit all you want but you're wrong, and history proves you thusly.

>>1414703
>brief five minutes
For about ten years during which there was an internal power struggle between Stalin's clique and the Old Bolsheviks, during which the attempts of the nomenclature to get 'absolute power' was opposed at every turn by the 'Old Bolsheviks', the revolutionaries who fought to combat bureaucratic degeneration and return to the Soviet's democratic roots. The outcome of that struggle is a result of many conditions, not the least of which are having fought a war against 14 nations and many white armies, and the failure of the revolution to spread leaving the USSR isolated and defensive. You can hardly blame that on the system.

>The theory is fucking flawed for a reason.
[citation needed]

>We had to fight for our rights, but we didn't have to give everything up for 5 generations to achieve them for a brief glimmer.
They kept most of the gains, new ones were just relatively sparse once Stalinism was in full swing.
You have to fight long and hard for your rights, and risk them being reserved while blame is diverted to scapegoats like immigrants while the corporate bosses collect record bonuses.

>>1414706
I want to glorify that long period of unparalleled economic growth that coincided with massive increases of quality of life (gains that were never really reversed). I don't know about you, but I consider quality of life to be massively more important that the illusion of political freedom we have in capitalist states.

I didn't go to college, because I didn't need to. I wish more people would realize this.

>Obama makes it 10x easier to get student loans saying everyone should get a college education
>no surprise when tuition goes way up because they know you can pay it
>no surprise when 80% of college students are mac using nigger liberals who take sociology courses and get useless degrees, get out of college with no real education and no job

>>1414736
Man, 10 whole years. Out of hundreds of shit. And followed by a century of shit.

Man I wish Communism had taken hold in the states.

Not really.

>You have to fight long and hard for your rights

Americans see this as a sign of the strength of their system bro. Not a bad thing. Our whole existence is predicated on fighting for more rights and fighting to defend the ones we have. The fact that with enough pressure we can alter our nation's rules and systems from within, without violence, is why we're strong, and the Soviet system was weak.

You can play apologist for them from now till the Moon falls from the sky, but nothing will absolve the millions dead to starvation and forced labor, the inevitability of allowing ANYONE absolute power over your system is that at some point they will abuse it. It's the nature of humanity.

And your citation needed is in every history book that mentions Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Che, Kim Jung Il and Kim Il Sun, etc. But you know this. It's YOU who chooses to ignore the lessons of history in favor of ideology.

The really sad thing is, most people who spend that much money, do not do it for education, but for the connections that they will make with the elite in those Ivy League schools. Everyone who has been a member of Skull and Bones, has been very successful, and every president we have had, has had connections to these Skull and Bones members, etc. So, it's not really paying for an education, as much as it is paying your way into the clubs and connections of the rich and famous, and their favorite secret societies.

>>1414751
>I want to glorify that long period of unparalleled economic growth that coincided with massive increases of quality of life

Yeah this is your problem. Capitalism had one of those, it was called the 40s, 50s and 60s, and the 80s and 90s and the 00s.

Communism has...1920 to 1930. At most. And the 20s were a major boom for most world economies up until the Great Depression. Hence why it's known in the States as the ROARING 20s.

Nothing they did was special. You're just uniquely historically ignorant, willfully so I might add, hence why you think the way you do. But you are wrong.

>>1414098
Except marketing and contract law isn't part of the art degree curriculum.

>Eurofags bitch about stupid americans
>pursuing a private university education is economic suicide in their country

>>1414751
>but I consider quality of life to be massively more important that the illusion of political freedom we have in capitalist states.

>implying your quality of life in a capitalist, western nation, isn't significantly improved because of the achievements of capitalism in our daily lives, then they ever were in the 1800s, or the 1900s.

>implying our standards of living in western, capitalist countries aren't better than they would be were we born in pretty much any other region of the world except maybe Australia.

No really. You're a short sighted, blind, ideologue. With no comprehension of context. Our standards of living today compared to even my grandfather's generation is ridiculous. It's not even night and day it's...

Fuck man. washers. Dryers. Heaters. Air Conditioners. Everyone with a car or two. Food in the fridge which didn't even exist. Running water. Electricity. These are all modern conveniences created for and by capitalists to market to capitalists and these are considered modern conveniences which massively improve our daily lives.

And then you can start talking computers, tvs, video games, movies. I mean. Do we really need to do this?

Communism didn't improve ANYONE"s quality of life. Capitalism has improved virtually EVERYONE"S quality of life.

This is a simple fact.

>>1414776
The post-war economic boom was as a direct result of war profiteering. The USSR's economic growth was a direct result of the planned economy, creating a modern industrial economy that would power a superpower out of a backwards agrarian shithole in 30 years.. It also had no depression, the GDP of the USSR grew by 250% while the US's dropped 25%. The next largest was Japan, a growth of 40% from extracting the wealth of occupied territories. That is the difference between socialism and capitalism, socialism doesn't rely on exploitation for growth.

>>1414768
>but nothing will absolve the millions dead to starvation and forced labor
What about the millions who die of capitalism each year in third world countries where the brunt of capitalism is felt? Not as a result of despotic leaders or a corruption of an idea, but by it's very existence? Or are those victims conveniently forgotten?

>And your citation needed is in every history book that mentions Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Che, Kim Jung Il and Kim Il Sun, etc.
Ok, so capitalism should be judged on the actions of the likes of Pinochet, rather than any grounding in it's theory?

>>1414791
>Herp derp innovation is unique to capitalism and should be the only standard used to determine quality of life, ever

>>1414817
>implying you didn't get told

the ivy league is for richfags or students who gamed the system so hard most of it is paid via scholarships.

what kind of dumbass goes to richfag school and gets a richfag's bill for their degree if they're not a richfag.

>>1414811
>The post-war economic boom was as a direct result of war profiteering

No, it was a direct result of the fact that the rest of the modern world was bombed into oblivion and only America could really provide the goods and materials needed for them to rebuild.

>The USSR's economic growth was a direct result of the planned economy,

And the planned economy completely fell apart on numerous occassions and the nation was left to starve for the most part in the process. And those who complained were shipped off to Siberia. I can do this all day. You'll still be completely wrong at the end of it though.

You can try to apologize all you want, complain that post war success of the States was the result of "war profiteering" which, of course, the GLORIOUS SOVIETS had NO PART IN amirite?

America had the only economic engine worth a damn by the end of the second world war, which only occurred because the Soviets gave Hitler tacit permission to take regions like Czechoslovakia so they could split the spoils up afterwards, the vast majority of Europe was a burned out post apocalyptic vision of hell on Earth with virtually no man power and no industries.

And yet, had the Soviets, from their position of power post the war, embraced freedom of their populace, and free market ideals, you wouldn't have seen the Berlin wall, the Cold War, or the mass starvations. You wouldn't have seen the world wide push to create communist dictatorships around the globe, and the resulting decades of poverty and economic depression around the globe that you see.

We have so many comparisons, observable comparisons, which prove you wrong, on this planet it's not even funny. Start with the Koreas.

Then compare Hong Kong and China pre 1990s and the trade act with the US and China and the return of Hong Kong to Chinese hands. Mexico and Hong Kong are good comparisons as well. US and USSR. I can go on but what's the point?

You're wrong. Deal with it.

>>1414837
Stop, you're hurting his worldview!

>>1414835
dumb hipsters who want to be richfags and are willing to pretend to the lifestyle as long as they can get another loan at a low interest rate to do so, for the most part.

>>1414817
Let me know when the commies build, well, anything worth a shit that we use in our daily lives. Cause I have yet to see it.

I know, I know. You're just ass sore cause you got told it's okay. But you're still wrong. And innovation is one of the beautiful results of competition, which only exists in the capitalist system.

You can't compete or innovate, when everything is COMMANDED to you from above by guys who aren't imaginative, don't understand engineering or pretty much anything except party politics, and who are more concerned with maintaining their power base than they are generating a profit for their share holders.

Soviet leader: You, peon, invent something USEFUL!

Soviet Citizen: But sir, what should I invent?

Soviet Leader: That is not a matter of which I am to be bothered. I want a useful invention by next week or it's off to the Gulags with you!

Yeah real conducive to scientific discovery.

Chernobyl is the perfect example of what is wrong with Communism.

And Stalin was long dead by that point.

>>1413828
It costs money to get a private college education; usually pays back too, so deal with it.

>>1414879
>usually pays back

Oh, you REALLY need to back that shit up with statistics that count the entire population of those schools.

American healthcare cost is sky-rocketing, so is the cost of education.

America, wtf? Just wtf? Is this you glorious capitalism and small government?

>No, it was a direct result of the fact that the rest of the modern world was bombed into oblivion and only America could really provide the goods and materials needed for them to rebuild.
>Not war profiteering
Cool story, bro

>You can try to apologize all you want, complain that post war success of the States was the result of "war profiteering" which, of course, the GLORIOUS SOVIETS had NO PART IN amirite?
The USSR was devastated in the war, a huge part of the Soviet infrastructure was destroyed, the USSR was economically crippled by the war.

>America had the only economic engine worth a damn by the end of the second world war, which only occurred because the Soviets gave Hitler tacit permission to take regions like Czechoslovakia so they could split the spoils up afterwards, the vast majority of Europe was a burned out post apocalyptic vision of hell on Earth with virtually no man power and no industries.
Oh well, so now it's the Soviet's sitting down in Munich giving Czechoslovakia to the Nazi's? No. The Soviet's had entered into a mutual defense pact with the Czechs and had made clear their intention to the allies to stop German expansionism right there, but the capitalists in Britain and France would rather appease the fascists. The Soviet administration had completely lost faith in the allies to stick to their word after that, leading to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pack being seen as the only way for the USSR to survive. I don't blame them. And I suppose it was by the blessings of capitalism that the US was not devastated by a war fought an ocean away?

>And yet, had the Soviets, from their position of power post the war, embraced freedom of their populace, and free market ideals, you wouldn't have seen the Berlin wall, the Cold War, or the mass starvations. You wouldn't have seen the world wide push to create communist dictatorships around the globe, and the resulting decades of poverty and economic depression around the globe that you see.
And had the US, from their position of power post the war, embraced freedom of their workers, and economic democracy, you wouldn't have seen the Berlin Wall, the Cold War, or the rampant starvation and homelessness.You wouldn't have seen the worldwide push to install capitalist dictatorships around the globe, and the resulting decades of poverty and economic depression around the globe that you see...


>Hong Kong and China pre 1990s
Yes, let's compare a city that had a huge influx of money from a capitalist power rich from war, determined to make it a showcase city to a massive country that was devastated by civil war and had a solely agricultural economy until they turned it into an industrial powerhouse on the base of a planned economy.

>Mexico and Hong Kong are good comparisons as well.
Well. Exactly the same situation.

>US and USSR
Rather than looking at who was better off at the end, let's look at their growth and achievements shall we?

>>1414956
Yeah you just went full retard

Yes, America selling people goods to rebuild their nation is war profiteering.

Oh wait you're a communist we should have just given them everything, right? Even though the war was their fault, and we had to fund building massive navies and armies to come assist them in their war and to fight the Japanese in the Pacific with the British pretty much and no one else?

yeah no.

War profiteering would be selling them the goods they needed to rebuild at the most cut throat ridiculous prices we could. But we actually loaned them the money to buy the goods and materials, sold them to them on the cheap, then forgave them much of the loans afterwards.

So yeah. you're dumb.

lrn2history better I guess

>>1414133
LOL america

>>1414956
>The USSR was devastated in the war, a huge part of the Soviet infrastructure was destroyed, the USSR was economically crippled by the war.

Irrelevant. They rebuilt on our dollar and our resources anyway.

>Oh well, so now it's the Soviet's sitting down in Munich giving Czechoslovakia to the Nazi's? No. The Soviet's had entered into a mutual defense pact with the Czechs

Yes and then they had a secret deal with Hitler at the same time, which was revealed after the war in all the captured German documents, which basically agreed to let the Nazis run ramshod all over the region and the Soviets would get some of the spoils. And they did.

It was only when Hitler invaded Russia over fear that they would cut him off from the Balkan's oil supplies that the USSR decided they didn't like Nazis any more.

As for all the whining about Mexico and China and Hong Kong, Mexico is our fucking neighbor. We give them money and do business with them all over the place. Their illegals come here to the tune of millions. Mexico's fucked because Mexico chose to run itself like a shithole. Same with every communist country.

China is the same.

Hong Kong was successful for the very reason you pointed out: They were willing to engage in trade with capitalist nations, and they benefited from it. They weren't given anything. They earned it.

And China, now that they do business with other capitalist nations, they're doing a shit load better as well.

No matter how you cut it, in every single comparison, your side comes out shit. Yet you claim that it's not because your system is flawed but rather because every time it's been tried it's failed to be achieved. If that isn't the perfect statement of WHY your system is flawed, nothing will be.

You're wrong. And you've been told. And the only response you have is finger pointing, claiming other nations are REALLY the villians, and a complete inability to just accept the facts as they stand.

>>1414966
I'm not going 'War profiteering is evul!111' I'm saying that accounting the post war economic boom to capitalism itself ignores the context, the war opened up huge markets in Europe where had been none before, essentially reversing the depression.

>>1414959
>Rather than looking at who was better off at the end, let's look at their growth and achievements shall we?

okay sure. America. Walked on the moon. Came out on top after two major world wars. Created a security umbrella for much of the planet and defended it from incursions by Communist forces. They created the greatest nation in the history of mankind. Oh and they never had to starve 25 million people to do it.

The Soviets had... an empire which collapsed. Sub par technology. First to space, never landed on the moon. Millions starving. Millions more dying in ghettos. Millions more locked up in forced labor prison camps for daring to question their masters. Virtually no real growth from the 1930s to the 1980s, and lost all of what they gained with the collapse of their state.

Yes, it's really pretty obvious when you look at it from any angle that the Soviets, while achieving SOMETHING, didn't achieve ALL THAT THEY COULD HAVE, were they not Communists, and rather embraced concepts of personal freedom and individualism rather than collectivism and totalitarianism.

>>1414984
Yes, you're making an argument for WHY CAPITALISM WORKS, goddamn. You don't even get that you're arguing against yourself.

Look, the Eastern Bloc states and the Western nations were basically on level ground after the war. They were all getting money from foreign super powers to rebuild, so you had the control (western nations) and the test (eastern bloc) nations and you STILL can see why communism fails in comparison.

It's just a fact: Put a capitalist nation and a communist nation next to one another and the communist nation will shortly cease to exist because it will be unable to compete. Life in it will be hell. Life in the capitalist nation will excel.

It happens time and time again.

I'm going to college in another country to learn the language. I will probably be in deep debt and probably not end up with a job, but I love languages so fuck it.

>>1415043
as long as it's a language which is in demand, you can definitely get a job with a multinational corporation doing something

I just graduated with $120,000 in debt. 4 years, engineering.

got my first job, fucking lucky, making $48,000.

gonna be paying $500/mo for about 20 years. feels bad, man.

>>1415049
how's it feel knowing you could have gotten that degree for about a quarter of the cost had you just gone to a different school.

Not like an engineering degree from Harvard is worth more than one from University of Alabama or some shit. It's fucking engineering.

>>1415056
feels bad. I could have gotten it for free at a state university, but then again, I probably wouldn't have gotten at job right out of college (a good third of graduates in my class don't even have a job)

>>1414627

>Tries to claim employment of a film teacher is part of some grandiose liberal conspiracy

Its official. We have hit maximum retard.

itt: bitches don't know that the ussr wasn't a true socialist state

>>1415325
>implying it takes a conspiracy to recognize that spike lee was hired because he's a left wing activist and columbia university is one of the most liberal universities in the nation

>>1415049

http://www.escapefromamerica.com/2010/06/escape-from-america-the-grim-truth/

leave america. come to australia. if you're white we'd love to have you and you'll make a pile of money in the mining industry.

>>1416843
>come to australia to work in our mines

Haha no thanks I can do that in West Virginia if I really wanted to

I think SOME things like the medical field should be funded. I have no interest in paying for some hipsters liberal arts degree.

They can get private scholarships and the military for that.

>>1416836
>>Implying that he wasn't hired because he's a successful and talented film maker who also had enough time to work on the side as the teacher.

Also

>>Implying all universities aren't "bastions of liberal thought"

Short of going to a crappy engineering/sciences school in the Midwest, deal with it, nerd. There's a reason damn near every politician tries to get their kids into Ivy League schools.

>>1416865

suit yourself. coming here gets you free healthcare, less niggers, subsidised education for your kids and a ticket out of your coming social and economic collapse into a totalitarian police state, but do whatever makes you happy.

>>1416895
>Implying that he wasn't hired because he's a successful and talented film maker who also had enough time to work on the side as the teacher.

haha oh wow no i don't think so.jpg

>>1416904
>he thinks America isn't already a totalitarian police state

>Study medicine in UK
>NHS pays my fees from 2nd year, also gives me free money to live off as my parents are fucking poor
>no obligation to stay with NHS once qualified.

FEEL GOOD MAN

>>1416932
So what anons have made as many movies, some successful, others bombs, as him? Who else would you rather have teach?

Sure as fuck ain't and isn't gonna be you. Deal with it, nerd.

>And it's the middle-income families who are facing the toughest squeeze.

>>1416959
>Who else would you rather have teach?

Hows about someone who has some talent, and doesn't exist solely on the concept of marketing his ideas solely to blacks and hating white people?

Or how's about someone who doesn't suck at everything as much as Spike Lee does.

Jesus what is this 1992? You think that guy is still relevant on any level?

>>1414588
>>1414513

EVERONE READ THIS

I would like your opinion on the last five years of my life

I just graduated (in May) from University, got two Bachelor's degrees in Music Education and Music Performance.

I had lots of good performance and academic scholarships. I am currently approx. $8,000 in education debt. I'm not married and have little interest in buying extravagant things, and I own a car. I can pay this off in 18 months, easy.

I have four interviews over the next two weeks, for high school music teaching jobs. Some of you say it's a useless profession, but you just trolling. Teaching is a noble profession, and I'll start earning about 34,000 a year.

Again, not a lot of money, but I'm not married and am pretty good with money.

So, am I a failure?

>>1416943
>he doesn't know what a totalitarian police state is

>>1416977

scholarships are the way to go, lots of people have 10x that amount of debt

i say to did good, faggot

>>1416977
you will be fine. this is what i wanted to do forever until i realized i hated taking music at my school. d'oh

>>1416977

lol faggot

>>1416978
>he doesn't know what it's like to be accused of a crime in the United States these days

>>1416973
>Respected film directors.
>Academy Award nominated.
>Multiple film awards.
>Piles of films.
>Suck at everything.

Sorry, the film industry disagrees.

>>1416977
you're fine because you didn't blow 200 grand to get that education, which is the point of this discussion.

but since you majored in music, you're still pretty much a homofaggot

>>1417014
People who study music theory are all homofags. Good to know.

>>1417007
>implying the film industry isn't just another circle jerk of liberalism and thus appealing to their authority is as useless as appealing to the authority of Columbia University to make your case

No really. Just stop. Those guys hand out trophies to one another year after year just to give themselves credibility. It's like the Nobel prize commission.

>>1417023
>People who study music theory are all homofags

Well it's not just music theory you know. You could study like african american lesbian feminist social theory and be just as much of a homofaggot.

less university, more work training programs

>>1414492
> danish income tax is around 45%

That's also the fucking tax rate in the US.

Godamn military spending.

>>1416843

I'm not >>1415049 but I'd fucking love to come to australia. Sure you guys got some fucked up laws (ban on small tits, heavy censorship of videogames) but it beats america any day.

>>1417024
It is an industry that generates hundreds of billions annually, owing in large part to certain technical and qualitative standards that you clearly do not understand or appreciate.

>>1416978

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/23893996/detail.html

>smoke marijuana
>don't have any in your house
>cops break down your door
>you're unarmed and in the bathroom
>they shoot you dead

Next thing you know he'll say we don't live in an Oligarch Controlled Economic System.

>>1417034
Being educated makes you a homofaggot. Good to know.

Reading fiction makes you a homofaggot.

>>1417049
>this is me making furious jacking off motions to your notion that simply because it has money and uses technology that suddenly its magically not a massive industry of liberal circle jerking with zero credibility

Taking the vocational route. Going to local community college. Financial aid covers all my tuition. Feels good man.

>>1417056
wasting money getting educated in useless fields makes you a homofaggot.

Maybe you should stop taking so many history of the homosexual in the 1800s courses and take some courses in basic English comprehension next semester. You obviously need them.

>>1417063
Your original point was that respected film-makers are not qualified to teach film. Called on that, you shifted to "oh, please, like they know anything about making good films! It's a liberal circle-jerk!"

When told that they clearly are capable of producing quality film, you continued on your "liberal circle-jerk", as if it has any relevance to your original point.

>>1416973
Alright, then let them step up to the plate and teach. If they haven't, then they won't. Right now he's the most qualified person for the job. And frankly, his film career is more than solid enough. You make it out to be like he's a Black History or Black Liberation Teacher. Go by his accomplishments, not his views.

>>1417077
Sorry that you can't afford to be educated in areas that don't seem to have immediate relevance to your day job.

>>1417108
>Your original point was that respected film-makers are not qualified to teach film.

ah no, my original point was that colleges hire lots of people for stupid courses that have no relevance to getting a good solid career and that's a massive waste of money and time and people are retarded to think that simply because some guy without a degree got a job teaching music theory in a university doesn't mean he's successful.

>>1417121
If a college program is directed toward a certain end, and that end is film study or music theory, even if it has nothing to do with procuring a job, what difference does it make who they hire? Are you suggesting that the be-all, end-all of education is getting a job?

>>1417111
his only real accomplishment was glorifying a black panther who advocated violent revolution and converted to Islam then was shot

Hate to break it to you. That's really all he's done in his life.

>>1417117
>implying I pay for my education

Oh anon. Enjoy your 200 grand in debt for your music theory major though. Also enjoy paying that debt off with a 30 grand a year job with no chance at tenure for the next 25 years.

>>1417144
It must be difficult being as ignorant as you are.

>>1417141
Considering that you're taking on as much as 200 grand in debt to get that education, I'd say your goal better be to get a job by the end of that or you're gonna be eating cat food out of the can in an efficiency bedroom sucking dick for crack rock.

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You are a fucking faggot, scholastic music courses are antiquated --- you have wasted all of your time, energy, and money on a meaningless field. I really hope you get cancer, and your entire family gets raped and tortured to death.

>>1417155
why you mad? cause the truth hurts bro.

>>1417077
General education and increasing our knowledge is a waste of time and money if it doesn't immediately contribute to our ability to perform a job.

Good to know.

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you're an asshole, anon

fondled by a teacher? sounds like it

>>1417167
No, just aware that you have no idea what you're talking about, and commenting that it must be difficult for you.

>>1417173
>General education and increasing our knowledge is a waste of time and money if it doesn't get you a job to pay off all those loans you took to get all that extra general education bullshit

Again, instead of taking so many courses on the history of male to male oral sodomy, you should simply try to take an English comprehension course or two. It would help you immensely in your life.

>>1417180
I'm sorry I can't help but see this picture while reading what you just posted. It really seems to define your essence completely

>>1417160
Oh, so you're offering unfriendly advice to potential students, having no understanding as to their background or how they are paying their tuitions. If they were extremely wealthy, would that make a difference?

>>1417201
If that makes you feel better about your lack, I applaud you for being so imaginative.

Canada here. I got my undergrad degree for about 12000 dollars including books. However, I went to university in my city. And, my university is literally 10 minutes by bike from where I live.

They jacked up the price of law school though, to 8k a year or something like that, but still....fuck man, 200K for an undergrad degree? WTF

I should also note that the student loan system here is phenomenal. Its co-payed between federal and provincial, and I literally filled out a form online, got sent a form a couple weeks later to confirm my enrollment, and a couple weeks after that, my loan was in my bank account.

And its interest free until 6 months after I graduate. And if I stay and work in the province, its a 60 percent refund on my tuition.

LOL american faggots.

>>1417205
if they're wealthy then what the fuck do they care what anyone thinks?

Its still a waste of money. Warren Buffetts granddaughter took his 200 grand and paid for an ivy league art education and got disowned for it and can't find a job and makes barely any living selling drawings in San Fransisco for it.

Just because someone's rich doesn't mean they can't be stupid with their money.

>>1417211
>all that needs be said

>>1417226
I was wondering when you were going to get around to green text.

>>1417222
All universities are a waste of money. You can learn it all for free at a library.

>>1417241
>implying I haven't been using greentext liberally in this and other threads

Oh man you sure are buttpained aren't you?

>>1417252
not true.

But if you're paying 200 grand for an education that cannot possibly net you a job that can pay that loan back, and you don't have help from mommy and daddy to pay for it, maybe you should just consider a nice college in state with a lower tuition so that you don't feel like a fucking retard when you can't get a loan for a house or a car because you can't default on college loans and you can't pay back the 200 grand either

That shit will follow someone around for their entire life

>>1417214
U of Toronto undergrad costs like $7,000 per year (tuition only; books, residence, etc. extra).

Waterloo jacked up Engineering and CS undergrad tuition to $8,000~$9,000 per year.

>>1417254
Not at all. You're charming and funny, like a street urchin monkey, banging his cymbals together. However, if it makes you feel better to think so, I'm glad you can find comfort in such thoughts. Are you the one causing my buttpain? Is that what arouses you?

>>1417271
>pretend you aren't butthurt even though anyone who has read what you've written can tell you are exceedingly butthurt and trying to act nonchalant about it

It just seems hard to get a foot in the door. I'm about 80K in debt and cant seem to find a job. Always comes back to my lack of experience in my field or my gpa. My gpa wasn't even bad its was a 2.6 overall but a 3.5 if you only count my major related classes.

>>1417287
I don't mind if that's what they think. I'm flattered that you're spending the time to pull relevant images out of your /b/ folder just for me.

>>1417290
>My gpa wasn't even bad its was a 2.6

No that's bad bro hate to break it to you

You should have done more internships. Or gone back for a masters so you can get more relevant experience

>>1417296
>implying I'm pulling pictures out for you and not for myself

>implying i"m not posting images in numerous threads and that you think it takes me any time at all to post them

>implying this isn't getting really fun for me

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I'm glad you're happy with your efforts.

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sad part is this is still the most interesting thread I'm following at the moment

Rest of /new/ went to shit sigh

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>Poorfag
>Just graduated from 200K Ivy with liberal arts degree
>Had almost everything covered with grants and scholarships
>20K in debt
>In the end, will have a 200K degree for 20K
>Will wind up making at least three times more money than I grew up with anyway
>feelsokman.jpg

>>1417455
Bruce Lee says "Good work, kid."

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a smart decision

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