Shittiest, he gets bonus points for being the biggest liar.

Godresident

Shittiest President since Dubya, that's for sure.

Hillary for 2012

i like him

>>1366584
sageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SHUT TE FUCK UP FOR ONCE

I'd put him somewhere near LBJ... that was a shitty dumb son of a bitch too

Bit not Nearly as shitty as Carter

>Keep fighting same war
>Renew Patriot Act
Sure is change in here.

>>1366649
>Promise to free detainees from secret prisons
>Lock them indefinitely in Bagram

I'd rate him a black clinton which is a step above that moron BUSH

>Obama... shitty President or Shittiest President EVER???

We'll if you live in the electronic bubble that is the conservative part of the media: fox news, rush limbaugh, the hundreds of newspapers rupert murdoch owns, of course you'd think those are the only two options.

He's just behind Carter, FDR, and Bush as the shittiest president ever.

>>1366584
Did you miss me?

>>1366700
this

I thought Bush had the IQ of toothpaste.... But Obama has the common sense of toothpaste which is even worse.


Give me 16 years of Bush over the year and a half of this stupid fucking Nigger. The Affirmative Action Presidential experiment has FAILED... Let's get another crabby old white guy in there

I'm so glad Obama became president before I died.

>>1366700
No one said they didn't hate George Bush.

ITT, massive samefaggotry.

He's just shitty. He doesn't make decisions, he doesn't make decisions at all.

best black president ever

this.

>>1366735

>Give me 16 years of Bush

enjoy going to Iran to die for Israel faggot

worst black president evar!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_XDZibQXsc

Obama = Bush lite
New Democrats/DLC = Republicans lite

Wake up already it's a fucking sham

>>1366783
Enjoy doing the same fucking thing for Obama.

>Sure is change in here.

classic.

>>1366703

>FDR worst president ever

OH YOU

>>1366810

haha

you probably think that he saved america from the great depression.

>>1366826
It's more accurate to say Hideki Tojo saved American from the depression but we wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Roosevelt to keep people from leading a violent revolt around 1935.

>>1366810

Well his policies only exacerbated the Great Depression's effects. He created one of the largest entitlement programs ever which has slowly snowballed us into going bankrupt. He shit on the Constitution when he found out that he may not get his way with his massive social programs.....

>>1366846

Fire Lord, you horrible troll. Even after the war ended the US was still in dire economic straits. It wasn't until AFTER FDR's economic policies were removed that the US began rebounding.

If Obama wasn't getting all this hate from you Republican retards he would be doing something wrong, so us Democrats welcome your hate.

You're all just mad because Obama has already done more than any President in the past 60 years.

Rescued the US economy with the Stimulus.

Passed sweeping health care reform legislation

Passed sweeping financial reform legislation.

Will pass sweeping Environmental and immigration legislation before this year is done.

Has for all intents and purposes wound up operations in Iraq

Has turned the tide in Afghanistan.

Face it, in the unlikely event Obama loses in 2012, his place in history is already solidified and he will go down as one of the greats.

>>1366849


Austrian faggot detected

>>1366846

I really can't argue against what you said.

>>1366849


>Well his policies only exacerbated the Great Depression's effects.

No they didn't.

>>1366901


Actually, no, yes they did exacerbate the problem, just like what is currently happening.

>>1366871
Fuck off.

>>1366877
>implying the economy has been rescued

LOLOLOL throw more money at it. Ask yourself this - when a person is doing bad financially, does it make sense for them to go out and spend more than they owe already, in hopes of improving their status? No, it does not. It is the opposite of what the intelligent person does. I'm not a racist and I don't hate Obama - but he has made the economy worse, and proven that he gives preferential treatment to the wealthy. I would've welcomed change. I haven't seen it, though. Same wars. Same patriot act. Same response style to major disasters. Same old shit.

>>1366889

Unemployment didn't go down during FDR it stayed static.

The "economic rebound" in that chart is all government spending. There is no real economic growth, just government spending growth. That's not what people electively spend their money on that grow employment opportunities.

The moment the government stops spending in those models, the economy plummets once again.

>>1366916

Actually, no they didn't exacerbate the problem.

*cough*

>>1366871
This is truth. He did so well we gave the presidency term limits.

>>1366877
You're fucking nuts not only was none of this legislation his, it's all horrible.

Obama, greatest corporate president yet.

>>1366954
Hahaha after he was elected 4 times because the republicans were so pissed off they never wanted another unstoppable demagogue to capture the hearts of the people and never have to give it up. Remember when they wanted to repeal that when Reagan was in office?

I'd have taken another 4 years of Bush over Obama.

>>1366933


You're a total idiot, managing a 14 trillion dollar national economy is in now way like managing your piggy bank .

When an economic recession or depression hits, unemployment starts to snowball out of control, as more and more people are laid off more and more people have less money to spend causing more people to lose jobs and productivity to decline etc etc.

To stop this, the federal government steps in to the breach with a stimulus program to stop the cascade of job losses.

THIS COSTS MONEY, YES THAT IS TRUE, but you know something? It costs far less than doing nothing ever would.

Doing nothing ensures massive unemployment and corporation bankruptcies, causing both massive losses of tax revenue to the federal government, and massive unemployment and welfare liabilities to the federal government, which cost infinitely more than a stimulus ever would.

I'll give you a hint. The vast majority of US debt is not due to the Stimulus.

troll 1/10

lol someone wasn't paying attention the last 8 years of right wing hypocrisy

As much as I like FDR I wish we HAD undergone a violent social upheaval like the French Revolution under President Hoover.

>>1366933

Economic downturn and an individual "doing bad financially" are completely different. If you want to make your statement about our debt fine, but anyone with at least half a brain knows that deficit spending (through tax cuts or government spending) is the best way to pull an economy out of a depression.

>>1367011

Doing nothing ensures that the artificial bubble would deflate, prices would come down quickly, and the overall trench and recovery would be swift.

It'll be a few years before we ever really recover from this, not only because of TARP legislation, but because of the programs he's begun since then.

>Rescued the US economy with the Stimulus
.
Cloward Piven.

>Passed sweeping health care reform legislation

Cant wait to tax the working man and let corporations out of their helthcare costs.

>Passed sweeping financial reform legislation.

Some credit. Remember when Clinton caused the housing bubble with the community reinvestment act? Is glass-steagle reinstated?

>Will pass sweeping Environmental and immigration legislation before this year is done.

This is good?!?!!

>Has for all intents and purposes wound up operations in Iraq

(facepalm)

>Has turned the tide in Afghanistan.

(double facepalm)

>>1367045

>Doing nothing ensures that the artificial bubble would deflate, prices would come down quickly, and the overall trench and recovery would be swift.

No it wouldn't, that is an a priori assumption based on faith and the idea of an efficient market that has never been proven against reality.

What doing nothing actually ensures is total economic collapse, civil and political unrest, the rise of extremism (communism, nazism/facism) and the higher unemployment goes, the longer it takes for recovery to occur. .

That is what happened after 1929. Thankfully, we have learned a bit since then.

>The vast majority of US debt is not due to the Stimulus.

What? You think we're borrowing from China to pay off some pointless wars or something? Fag.

>>1367067

U just mad because all those things are true and you are grasping at straws and weak rebuttals to try refute them.

Also, the community reinvestment act was an initiative of the Republican controlled congress, but it's true that most Democrats also voted with the Republicans on it.

Glass-Steagle is to be reinstated under a different name, I forget what that is however (maybe the Volcker rule or some such)

>>1367117

Look at the facts, not just assumptions that seem logical to you, or what Fox told you.

The vast majority of US debt is due to two things. The Bush administrations total trashing of public finances, and the collapse in tax revenues/rising government welfare liabilities caused by the recession.

This is getting tiresome. It's relative, if your a plebe probably. Why don't you start a post about that?

Something like, hi, I'm on the internets...Obamababalahlala...

Obama in my opinion is a shitty President because he he has lacked the political willpower to stand up to BP. But forget about BP, take the health care issue: He promised a public option, instead he backed out of it and then promoted just affordable health care via the same system has screwing everyone over.

If he had the balls, he would have pushed for at least a public option or even better a single-payer plan. Instead we have a another center-right politician as a democrat.

>>1367290

He did push for the public option, but you know what the problem was there? He couldn't muster 60 votes in the Senate if the public option was included because twits like Liebarman and Nelson screwed us over.

He could have insisted on the public option and let the whole thing fail, or he could have dropped it, like he did, and let the rest of it succeed.

Nowhere near as shitty as Bush was or as McCain would have been.

>>1367290
He doesn't have any balls at all. He's completely worthless when it comes to doing things.

>>1367476

If that were true, there would have been no health care reform at all, just as the Republicans wanted.

>implying politicians aren't all the same shitty mutant at the end of the day

>>1367476

butthurt Republican is butthurt

>>1367476

He has more balls than everyone else in Washington combined. Any other man would have given up on Health care reform after the supermajority was lost, his own advisers urged him to.

You are nothing but a butthurt Conservative retard.

>>1367511
>>1367551
>>1367498
I am a Communist, and there was no health care reform. The system as it was still stands, the only change is that everyone is forced to give money to private businesses in exchange for an empty promise.

>>1366877

>>1367423
He should of let it fail without a public option because the whole thing is pointless without one.

>>1367573

>empty promise.

More like in exchange for a guarantee enforced by federal law. Insurance companies can no longer refuse to pay out claims based on things like pre existing conditions or other loopholes.

Shit, do you even bother to research this stuff before you spew out rubbish about it?

>>1367633

no it isn't.

>>1367618

>>1367661
Except it is.

>>1366977
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>>1367674

no u

>>1367650
Uh huh, sure, i'm totally sure they're not going to keep fucking with and shortchanging people because the same government that lets millions of other crimes occur every day has threatened them with... what, exactly? Fines?

>>1367661

While the bill didn't go far enough, some reform is always better than none, especially in a society like the USA where every little advance is like yanking teeth.

even jon stewart is shitting all over his speech

>>1367708
There is no point in changing our health care system without changing who's writing the checks, and that should be the collective will of every united states citizen. You should have to fucking BEG to insure that many people, not hold them hostage and steal their money.

>>1367712
There was no reform. This bill does nothing to help anyone.

>>1367671

>>1367726

I swear you people are bloody puritan idiots. Oabam is the most left wing president since the second world war and you are raging on him because he is not left wing enough, not pure enough.

This shit only ever occurs in stages. Rome wasn't built in a day.

>>1367753

>Oabam

>>1367734

Incorrect. The law will both stop certain hideous practices of the insurance industry as well as providing financial assistance for those who don't have enough income to pay for their coverage.

>>1367782
And yet we are all now required to pay for worthless middle managers and billing paperwork shufflers and executive salaries and retirement packages and ten thousand other kinds of shit unrelated to health care rather than creating a central fund that actual medical practitioners draw pay from for their services.

>>1367753
He is not left wing at all you fucking moron. I know what the left wing looks like. He is not it at all, that is a fabrication of the media.

Get this: as a result of this legislation, EVERY AMERICAN TAXPAYER IS REQUIRED TO PAY FOR INSURANCE INDUSTRY MARKETING COSTS. THAT'S RIGHT, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR ASSHOLES TO LIE TO US.

>>1367845

So? Before they just took it out of what you paid them. At least now they don't take payments and make costly ad campaigns with it.

>>1367782
The strangest thing is when people argue that healthcare reform will mean rationing of care according to price - which it won't - while ignoring that that's PRECISELY what insurers do already.

>>1367865
Of course they do you fuckwit. Have you seen ads befor?

Why would you ever support a health care system where people who provide health care are outnumbered by people who do nothing but bullshit paperwork and waste money all day by 50 to 1?

>>1367900
I assume you're talking about insurance agencies.

>>1367815

Agreed. But please remember that Obama tried very hard to eliminate that with the public option he initially insisted upon, but then he realized that the insurance lobby in Congress made it impossible.

>>1367924
Oh yeah he tried very hard by NEVER SAYING A FUCKING WORD ABOUT IT AFTER HE WAS ELECTED.

>>1367921
Of course I am.

That dishonor would go to W. and Reagan.