Well, least it'll end faster.

100,000 barrels = 4,200,000 US gallons; 16,000,000 litres

But the more oil that comes out the faster the spill will end

I don't see a problem with it OP

>>1320312
ROFLCOPTER

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1097505/pg1

read this. realize how fucked we are.

have fun

Wow its really pissing out, thought theyd fixed it

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/loca
l_assets/html/Skandi_ROV2.html

>>1320358
Dude I know...

That guy is a predator.

why dont we just ignite the oil?

if we burn it up it won't be in the water anymore.

>>1320389
BP has been pumping a toxic dispersal chemical into the oil to make it so the spill is less visible at the surface. You have oil layering underwater as it creeps off around Florida and flows into the Atlantic. They can no longer burn or contain it. Where it was once just destroying Gulf fisheries, now it's unstoppable and set to devastate the entire Atlantic.

so uh....how long until we get those relief wells?

...uhhh. Nuke it now?

Liberals?

>>1320415
9 months. min

>>1320389
Burning the oil requires a large source of oxygen. You can only really burn the oil on the surface, and they've been using dispersement chemicals to keep most of it below the surface of the ocean.

The worst part of this spill is ironically not the oil but the toxic gases that are escaping from the well head , theses gases will give millions of USA slobs cancer

so uh....who's ass do we kick?

i mean, oil drilling is a dangerous business, accidents happen, but this is just out of fucking control

it's really sad that bp didn't change its regulations for deep sea drilling. you would think they would have flotation and anchor systems on the riser to keep it from bending and breaking like that, to make it easily retrievable if something like this would happen. or you know, make it so their safety equipment works.

what the fuck is with these corporations that don't know what the fuck they are doing?

>>1320408
Well, we're fucked.

I dont get these fucking retards.

Why didnt they just find the last recorded pressure, the width of the blowout preventer and just make a worse case estimation and then say it is that much. Because if you go the max value that is physically possible, it can only get better with tools of measurement.

This is why you keep the businessmen in the back room when the adults have to talk about science.

>>1320448
i remember a thread a few days ago from an oilman on /new/ basically saying that it was sabotaged. have the thread and the documents saved on my harddrive for future reference.

>>1320441
Toxic gases? It's natural gas (methane). It's not toxic, and it's certainly not a carcinogen. I mean, unless you consider farts toxic.

Most of western Canada and parts of the western US run their home heating and AC off of natural gas piped directly to their homes.

>>1320448
They knew what they were doing. They knew exactly what they were doing. But they cared about maximizing profit, so they said "fuck it" to safety.

>>1320358

I can't help but notice that the forum is filled with alot of faggots.

just like the Ixtoc spill it will take about 9 months to stem the tide....so long as the deposit and layers hold up under the pressure......considering the earths crust is at tits thinnest under the ocean we could have a catastrophe on our hands

>>1320476
Yeah, you can always count on disasters to rally the nutters and their tin foil hats.

>>1320441

and that's... bad?

>>1320466
>Some gas fields yield sour gas containing hydrogen sulfide (H2S). This untreated gas is toxic. Amine gas treating, an industrial scale process which removes acidic gaseous components, is often used to remove hydrogen sulfide from natural gas.

Why do people like to talk shit about things they know nothing about.

>>1320448

if it weren't for taxes then bp wouldn't have to cut corners to save money. if the government let the free market work like it's supposed to then this wouldn't happen.

>>1320489
>Hydrogen Sulphide.

Dude, that's one of the key components to getting a good Jenkem high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem

>>1320500
>implying the same safety mechanism that almost every other first world country forces BP to use, that they didnt use because America didnt make them, wouldnt have stopped this from happening

There is a reason why safety mechanism are mandated, it is cause they work, not because "it makes us feel safe".

They can't boom right either.

>>1320500
>implying they would be any less greedy if taxes weren't in place

time to stock up on food and frozen fish

soon your frozen fish will have a higher octane rating than your gasoline

the free market would've had the piece of shit CEO hanging from the nearest tree instead of letting him spend more money on airing advertisements that HURRRRRRRRRRRR WE CARE on television than BP is paying in claims. Luckily the army is making itself useful by getting sent to help file the claims now. those guys will shit on your face if you jew around with them because NOBODY CAN PUSH PAPER LIKE THE US ARMY FUCK YEEEEEEEAR

>>1320500
While I agree taxes are evil, I don't think they're at fault here. Taxes form a very small percentage of BP's daily operating costs of running a rig like the Deep Horizon which cost upward of $1 million per day, most of which would have been a right-off tax wise.

So that's how it will play out...yeah, i mad.

>>1320561
Truth...theres a form for everything

i'm so sick of this oil shit
fuck the animals
and fuck the fisherman they are going to be compensated anyway

>>1320464

It's just too bad that the suits have a PhD in Intimidation. Those scientists and engineers don't hold a candle to threats about one's livelihood.

>100,000 barrels = 4,200,000 gallons.

>Price of oil today = $74.20

>$74.20 x 4,200,000 gallons = $311,640,000 worth of oil wasted per day.

Wait, what?

>>1320587
compensated when? in a couple years after lolappeals.... people are in dire need of help...and i dont mean due to being covered in oil but the lack of sustaining themselves

WHERE IS THE FUCKING NUKE?

>>1320602
its $74 per barrel not gallon

>>1320608
when the appeals are over they'll just go Bankrupt and restart the company under a new name

>>1320624

oh DERP, got it backwards lol.

$7,420,000 per day then, including cleanup costs which are also in the millions.

>>1320408

>BP has been pumping a toxic dispersal chemical into the oil to make it so the spill is less visible at the surface. You have oil layering underwater as it creeps off around Florida and flows into the Atlantic.

Are you fucking serious? And I thought me being in Sarasota, 350 miles south was far enough for now.

>>1320657
That couldnt be further from the truth......business as usual

>>1320615
BP has less than 24 hours now (they were given 72 hours on Thursday afternoon) to come up with a workable contingency plan showing that they can contain the oil and stop the leak. If on Monday they show up with their thumbs up their butts, expect the US government and the military to take over operations. The US government has also sent in research vessels to determine if the bedrock has been compromised and if oil is leaking up all over the place. Results are expected by the end of next week.

If the results are positive (oil all over the fucking place), then expect a nuke within a month.

>>1320312
>June 9, 2010

>>1320685
my money is on the possibility the oil is comming out of the porous sea floor...... honestly a oil spill the size of marlyland and new jeresy isnt coming out of one pipe

>>1320685
you know as bad of an idea as a nuke is. It will be refreshing to get some high quality recording of a spray dome.

This just hit on CNN 5 minutes ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/12/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html?hpt=T1

>ederal authorities have ordered BP to get more aggressive with its plans to recover thousands of barrels of oil spewing from a broken well into the Gulf of Mexico, according to a letter made public Saturday.

>In the letter, Rear Adm. James Watson, the government's on-scene incident manager, gave BP 48 hours to identify and expedite other ways to contain oil, given new estimates that doubled the amount of crude gushing out every day.

>>1320769
BP covering their asses as to how much oil is being spillt? say it aint so

>>1320685

What I want to know is whether anyone will muster up the collective force to charge BP between $10 and $15 billion for this fault of theres because that's going to be about half of the damage this will cause once the immediate ripple effects are calculated. How much will BP pay and why are they still even allowed to go near that rig?

>>1320791
It'll cost Obama the next election if his government doesn't make BP pay in full. He's well aware of this.

Gov't needs to step in seal the fucking thing.

Fuck that well, there's others on earth. Get the fuck over it.

>>1320821
Oddly enough, it's the neocon republican congressmen who are mostly protesting against removing the $75 million cap, citing that it will drive away oil companies, reduce competition and destroy jobs.

>>1320821
You expect people to vote Republican with this shit going on?

>>1320685
>Results are expected by the end of next week.

Great, no rush or anything, it's only 500,000 more barrels.

Once the realization sets in that there is no way to stop the leak, expect offshore drilling to be banned most places in the world which will trigger peak oil

>atlantic gets fucked

>the pacific has been fucked for years because of the pacific trash vortex

some people just want to watch the world burn

Actually the teenagers here harping on the dispersants are retarded. We still burn that oil when we skim it into large enough pools to be burned (needs to be 3 milimeters thick i believe to burn thoroughly)

The dispersants suck but dont hold us back.

>>1321910
The dispersant is making it where the oil isn't coming to the surface. You have underwater slicks now.

>>1321925
You don't want all that ugly crude oil, it's better to dump neurotoxins all over it so it stays out of sight.

You know, at this point, BP might as well be pissing and shitting in the Gulf.

Pressure at the wellhead of 300MPa, gg guys.

lol throwing tampons on the beach

I hope you faggots drown in oil.

Maybe if you didn't consume as much they wouldn't have needed to drill so precariously in the first place.

You brought it onto yourselves.

>>1322032
maybe if the dune coons weren't perverted greedy zealots we wouldn't have to drill oceans in order to make affordable gas

>>1322032
Maybe if liberals didn't want to protect some goddamn animals no one really cares about up in Alaska, we could be drilling up there.

I don't give a shit about this spill. I'm laughing as people are freaking out about it.

>>1322084
>Implying that is the reason that Americans are drilling for oil in the ocean.
>Implying it isn't because even the Arabs don't produce enough to sustain American demand.

>>1322185
>>1322084
>>Implying oil drilled off American waters and land would not simply go on the open market and sold to the highest bidder, most likely China or Europe

This wouldn't have happened if fucking liberals weren't so fucking anti nuclear energy. Because pretty much free energy is a bad thing.

>>1322243
>>Implying nuclear powered cars would be a good idea

Bro, you've never played Fallout 3 have you?

>>1322032

THIS WILL KILL THE WORLD, NOT JUST USA.
OH DEAR GOD.

OPEC was created to pressure the West to cut ties with Israel.
The high gas prices pushed offshore drilling

Therefore,
>Jews did BP.

>>1322355

But...wasn't it just massive reserves of oil in that particular area?

You can't bring the second coming without an apocalypse here and there.

>>1322347

>Implying the USA is the world.

Jewish Overlord is pleased with your statement.

You nuke fuckers are idiots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZWgSGzF4w

Michio Kaku sets the record straight.

>>1322421
not at all. the spill is already set to hit the Caribbean but thats probably not what they were referring to. some people are predicting that the ocean floor will rupture and that out of it will come untold amounts of oil that will poison the planet. at least thats what i got from the couple of articles linked above.

>>1322486

>Implying the extinction of the human race is bad.

>Implying Humanity isn`t prone to extinction.

>Implying Humanity doesn`t deserve to be exterminated.

>Implying the death of Humanity would be of any importance regarding the vastness of the Universe or its superior alien civilizations.

>>1322517
i didnt imply that

This is unstoppable, there is nothing BP can do about it, the blowout preventer will tip over and we will have 150,000 barrels a day. The relief wells will take months to drill and will not be done in time. Gulf is fucked.

and after reading the links again i think maybe i was confusing that theory with posts in the other thread from tripfag Scientist26

>>1322517

I'm sorry, did you say something?

>>1322517
>implying this only affects humans or that humans probably arent actually the least affected by it

You are now aware the oil has stopped. Go back to your cars.

>>1322539

>Implying Humans did not, will not, exterminate all biodiversity in order to maintain their status and that the oil spill is the main cause of it.

>>1322525
if it happens im glad its the gulf. what a shithole anyway.

>>1322531
Scientist26 seemed like a pretty smart dude. Another thing, I read about that abiotic oil theory a long time ago in an article by conspiracy monger Joe Vialls. If you can get by his obvious biases against Jews and other such things, you probably would enjoy his writing about some of the technical aspects of this ultra-deep drilling. It does seem to make sense what he says. And yes, the link is Rense, don't bust my balls over that. Vialls own site is gone now, he died a few years ago.

>>1322456

Was listening with an open mind till that dipshit said hydrogen bomb.

This is not a normal oil spill.

BP has attempted to drill a "superdeep well", over 35,000 feet from the ocean surface, or 30,000 from the bottom of the ocean. This taps into the Mohorovicic Discontinuity where Russians presumed the abiotic genesis of oil happens. This is an interface layer between the upper mantle and the crust, which ...is thin at the ocean. The Russians, however, never attempted to dig down to it but instead used different techniques researched over 60 years in order to tap into it.

BP and the west wanted to frogleap Russia on this technology and decided to tap into the earth's oil "reactor" directly. The consequences of this disaster is left to the reader to ponder.

The rig design was not compatible with the sheer rams, which failed to close the pipe as the last-resort failsafe. This was one of many failures and the oil began to gush out at >20,000psi gauge pressure.

Later on, during the top kill procedure, the righead was further damaged from the increased pressure and the actual sub-surface (sea floor) began to rupture -- the strata is completely leaking out into the ocean from multiple points.

Realistic estimates vary, one scientist using the film provided by BP put it at 70,000 barrels per day. There are worse estimates which account for the subsurface damage (100,000-300,000 barrels per day).

The relief wells in August will not do anything as the subsurface has been damaged -- the integrity of the wellhead has been compromised as well as the entire rig.

Every day that this spill is not contained, the wellhead and rig will corrode until they disintegrate, then there will be no hope of ever stopping this spill and it will grow exponentially.


The Nuclear option is our only hope.(Low yield Atomic bomb)

You now realize that BP is a british company

>>1322561
>>1322561
I forgot the link:
http://www.rense.com/general75/zoil.htm

>>1322562
I also thought that Japanese guy sounded like he was full of shit. And twice he was referring to the use of underground nukes as for canals only in spite of Russians using them four times to seal gas wells.

Oil abiogenesis is a crock of shit, only fringe weirdos trying to get book deals push it.

>>1322456
Haha, he doesn't understand what the nuke-the-well people want to do at all.

>>1322580
Not according to the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/13/abiotic-oil-supply-energenius08-biz-cz_rl_1113abiotic.html

Hydrocarbons are a natural excretion from the mantle. Every planet has trillions of tons of methane, ammonia and other chemicals and not all of them are in the atmosphere.

Coal is the only true fossil fuel.

>>1322580

you sure got told

>>1322561
Did he write anything else since that thread? Has someone saved that shit btw?

>>1322596
Yeah, I saved that thread. It looks like >>1322562 did too, that's his writing. I can give a condensed version of his posts if >>1322562 isn't posting it any more.

From the Vialls article

Worse than 9/11.

very condensed. He had many other rebuttals to opposing questions that bseemed sound as well.

This is not a normal oil spill.

BP has attempted to drill a "superdeep well", over 35,000 feet from the ocean surface, or 30,000 from the bottom of the ocean. This taps into the Mohorovicic Discontinuity where Russians presumed the abiotic genesis of oil happens. This is an interface layer between the upper mantle and the crust, which is thin at the ocean. The Russians, however, never attempted to dig down to it but instead used different techniques researched over 60 years in order to tap into it.

BP and the west wanted to frogleap Russia on this technology and decided to tap into the earth's oil "reactor" directly. The consequences of this disaster is left to the reader to ponder. I will now give you figures on what is happening.

The rig design was not compatible with the sheer rams, which failed to close the pipe as the last-resort failsafe. (they didn't expect the double wide piping from south korea as it was poorly specified). This was the initial failure and the oil began to gush out at >20,000psi gauge pressure.

Later on, during the top kill procedure, the righead was further damaged from the increased pressure and the actual sub-surface (sea floor) began to rupture -- the strata is completely leaking out into the ocean from multiple points.

>>1322623

Realistic estimates vary, one scientist using the film of the flow putting it at 70,000 barrels per day or 8 million liters per day. There are worse estimates which account for the subsurface damage.

The relief wells in August will not do anything as the subsurface has been damaged -- the integrity of the wellhead has been compromised as well as the entire rig.

Every day that this spill is not contained, the wellhead and rig will corrode until they disintegrate, then there will be no hope of ever stopping this spill.

A nuclear detonation may help close off the rig as per this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU

However, if such a technique is to fail, humanity is finished.

>>1322629
Physics doesn't work like that.

>>1322629
Yeah.. fracture all that rock with 20k psi under it, and you just get a bunch of rock pushed up.

>>1322622
Worse than 9/11? More like worse than Chernobyl. I hope not, this is sad for so many people, and probably all of us, not to mention the "poor fuckin birds".

>>1322623

Jesus, if this is so, then we are beyond fucked. Nothing short of a nuke has any hope of ending this spill.

I'm an oil driller.

>>1322634

It sort of does. The Russians have done this before, but they've nuked leaking wells in fields of crystallie granite, on the surface, before. Nobody exactly knows how the largely-sedimentary geology of the Gulf, under a mile of water, will behave if you light a nuclear explosion off around it.

>>1322629
note how you have to drill the exact same distance as if you were going to drill a relief well, which has the bonus of being usable if we allow it

>>1322634
>>1322644

lolwut did you not watch

>>1322627

I guess they just made it all up

>>1322629
You know, that looks just like a diagram the Russians show on Youtube, not the explanation of a glass sphere interrupting the bore route like that loudmouth Olbermann was interviewing.

>>1322629

>>1322658

>thinks mspaint drawing is to scale
>implying relief well will even work when there is another leak in the pipe at an unknown depth

>>1322673
The relief wells would work if they were below the seafloor damage wouldn't they?

>>1322654
Oil Driller troll dude, try reading that Vialls article, You might get a kick out of it.>>1322568

>>1322692

Yes in theory they could, but we have no idea where or how deep the leaks are

>>1320312

Proberbly doing it on purpose to help all that 'WE MUST TAX CARBON AND DO ALL THIS GREEN SHIT'

>>1322705
BP may've done more for the environmental fucknuts in one swoop than they've accomplished themselves in decades.

>>1322705
This event will be throwing that program into high gear I bet.

>>1322705
No, maybe the initial sabotage was for that, but now it's beyond some political tool.

... this is the worst man-made disaster ever.

>>1322699

I'm well aware of that article. It's about 95% true. Oil IS abiotic in origin, pretty much everybody who's anybody in the industry agrees on that.

Hell, I'm working in the oilsands of Alberta Canada right now, where about a trillion barrels of abiotic bitumen crude are locked up in the sand. There were never any dinosaurs up here, but there is an absurd amount of natural hydrocarbons leaking up through fractured granite.

If BP decided they'd try to beat the Russians when it comes to deep-drilling technology, and tried to drill a superdeep well under a mile of water, they should all be executed. Period.

It's gettin there. This man would be proud.

>>1322714
Doesn't even sound like something done intentionally, who would use the wrong pipe diameter for your other gear? They shouldn't be licensed to do anything anywhere.

>>1322731
>If BP decided they'd try to beat the Russians when it comes to deep-drilling technology, and tried to drill a superdeep well under a mile of water, they should all be executed. Period.

According to that Scientist26 guy they did, but just what will executing them do? They need to be waterboarded imho, until they come out with it, all the plans, all the "proprietary" information etc.

>>1322741
Yeah I meant, if it was a sabotage. At this point that seems way too unlikely, the entire design was flawed.

>>1322731
BC here. We should drill and refine our own fucking oil in this country become self sufficient and do it our own way safely. Also, arm the shit out ourselves, nukes and all, keep bizzaro world OUT.

>>1322673
Draw me one to scale.

>>1322750
agreed

>>1322773

That the best you can come up with? No debating the fact that it could work, just going to harp on my mspaint skills

lolgetthefuckout.jpg

>>1322760

Er, Canada is the largest or second-largest single exporter of oil to the USA, last I checked. Canada is also the only major oil-exporting nation that charges its citizens market price for the gasoline made out of the oil that the citizens of the country own.

>>1322750

If this is ture, their 'proprietary' information doesn't exist and the disaster was created by them attempting something that they didn't know how to do. Executing them would discourage further disasters.

>>1322800
I'm glad were loaded with oil. Now we need a fence on the border. Maybe even run it up the side of Quebec.

>>1322807
I wouldn't be talking like that normally, I'm just tired of all their bullshit.

>>1322800
>Canada has shit tons of oil

Everyone? Show of hands? Liberation of Canadians from the oppression of the brutal and godless regime of terror they suffer under?

Hey Canadianfags, want some democracy?
Here it comes!

>>1322827
That's like invading your own backyard.

>>1322827
We'll have all the oil in the world on our shores soon so there's no point.

>>1322832
high time we annex that shit anyway

>>1322832
It'd be like the last official Mexican Army invasion.

They charged through and took over a town. Nobody reacted, they just asked wtf they were doing, and the army left due to not being taken seriously.

>>1322827
Well, the US military has already been given permission to come "help" here the event of a terrorist attack or something along those lines. Say there was a sudden incident by "osama" in Vancouver and you've got a government approved annexation already prepared.

>>1320312
One of the wildlife experts it listed in the plan as a potential adviser died in 2005.
WUT

>>1322864
lol, that's like a reverse spin of the living hijackers from 9/11. Haha, that fucking guy probably saw this spill happening and went and saw the secretary - "Hey baby, could you make it look like I'm dead on that paper there? Great, see you at 7 tonight."

>>1322731
>Biotic oil theory posits that oil comes from dinosaurs

Kill yourself faggot.

>>1322891
Plants and animals is biotic oil fuckwad. Have you ever heard of plants and animals living 8 miles under the Earth surface? Didn't think so.

>>1322902
Not to mention virgin bedrock, lol.

Oh but but-- biomarkers

This is all you can expect from stinking Brits.

>>1323021

could someone repost the whole conversation with that scientist guy, please?

>>1323103

Scientist26 !!f4nESPV4U6H

This is not a normal oil spill.

BP has attempted to drill a "superdeep well", over 35,000 feet from the ocean surface, or 30,000 from the bottom of the ocean. This taps into the Mohorovicic Discontinuity where Russians presumed the abiotic genesis of oil happens. This is an interface layer between the upper mantle and the crust, which is thin at the ocean. The Russians, however, never attempted to dig down to it but instead used different techniques researched over 60 years in order to tap into it.

BP and the west wanted to frogleap Russia on this technology and decided to tap into the earth's oil "reactor" directly. The consequences of this disaster is left to the reader to ponder. I will now give you figures on what is happening.

The rig design was not compatible with the sheer rams, which failed to close the pipe as the last-resort failsafe. (they didn't expect the double wide piping from south korea as it was poorly specified). This was the initial failure and the oil began to gush out at >20,000psi gauge pressure.

Later on, during the top kill procedure, the righead was further damaged from the increased pressure and the actual sub-surface (sea floor) began to rupture -- the strata is completely leaking out into the ocean from multiple points.

Realistic estimates vary, one scientist using the film of the flow putting it at 70,000 barrels per day or 8 million liters per day. There are worse estimates which account for the subsurface damage.

>>1323103
>>1323131

The relief wells in August will not do anything as the subsurface has been damaged -- the integrity of the wellhead has been compromised as well as the entire rig.

Every day that this spill is not contained, the wellhead and rig will corrode until they disintegrate, then there will be no hope of ever stopping this spill.

A nuclear detonation may help close off the rig as per this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU

However, if such a technique is to fail, humanity is finished.

>>1323021

> Stinking Brits

> Post pic of an the English goalkeeper

Bitch doesn't know about the UK.

>>1323103
>>1323131
>>1323133

But what is more concerning than the fate of humanity is the fate of the Earth. To dive into this topic, research needs to happen on the energy source that drives the core of the earth. This is the same source which generates the hydrocarbons at the interface of the mantle and the crust. This generation will continue even as the spill siphons off the product. The question is, for how long?

>>1323103
>>1323131
>>1323133
>>1323137

Pro-tip: you're completely out of your mind.

It is not the salt water that is causing the corrosion. It is the high temperature volcanic mixture of oil and other minerals, gushing out at a high pressure differential.

>Relief wells ALWAYS work and have nothing to do with the wellhead.

You don't get it, I already said, it won't work, the pressure is INCREASING as time goes on for a reason above. The subsurface has been damaged, do you get it? If you're unfamiliar with the standard literature on this topic, you're probably the WRONG person to discuss this with. You're probably not familiar with the engineering design of super deep wells. I myself have only read a few papers on this topic, but the concerns of high temperature and pressure have stopped many projects like this one in the past from even starting.

The relief well will fail. When it does, I will return on here and tell you guys what will happen next. You better all hope I am wrong.

>>1323103
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>>1323144

>Oh god, you support the abiotic oil theory?
LOL, get out of my face you stupid layman. Most physicists understand the biotic theory to be nonsense of the 18th century, it is the geologists who have a problem with the abiotic theory. (outside Russia, of course)

And today the acknowledge abiotic oil exists, but "not in commercial" quantities. They do this just to protect their own necks as they've been wrong for so long.

>>1323103
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>>1323133
>>1323137
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>>1323148

No, this is not exactly the same process, but it's very similar to other artificial processes. This cannot create extremely long carbon chains, which are being collected now on the shores of the USA.

>>1323103
>>1323131
>>1323133
>>1323137
>>1323144
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>>1323151

You joke but it could have, until top kill had failed. Now they've removed that as an option.

In any case it would be a temporary solution as the volcanic pressures (some leaked figures at gauge pressure of ~300kPa, well above the limit of the blow off valve) would destroy either the structure above, or the sea floor around the strata.

>>1323103
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>>1323151

The problem is the worst-case scenario of the nuclear weapon failing. It only has a 80% success rate so far. Once it has failed there is literally no plan H. Nothing. We'd be completely helpless.

People need to stop pressuring BP, the solution may take a long time, but it has to be a solution that lasts. If nuclear weapons must be involved, then use them, ignore the stupid environmentalists who don't understand what is going on.

>>1323131
>>1323133
>>1323137
>>1323144
thanks for that!

>>1323148
and that's the reason we find pieces of organic molecules in every single oil well
go away tinfoilfag, you science is weak

>>1323103
>>1323131
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>>1323156

Care to explain how "fossil" fuels got down into the crust-mantle interface? LOL? You can't?

Then shut the fuck up. You can't even explain how entropy is magically reversed to form the so-called "precursors". Face it, all you have are stupid biomarkers which show interaction upstream, rather than formation.

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Note that idiots like this are part of the problem. If people actually studied the science and picked up a basic-fucking-book on statistical mechanics, there would have been no need to "leapfrog" the Russian well designs. Instead, people confuse science with religion and cling on to a failed model even as contradictions and impossibilities pop out of it.

Humans are filth, it's just such a shame that we're taking the environment to hell with us.

>>1323172
>You can't even explain how entropy is magically reversed to form the so-called "precursors"
You obviously don't understand what entropy is
go away

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>temperature is high enough to break down hydrocarbon bonds
Yes, at atmospheric pressures, but the pressure is high enough to flip the normal thermodynamic equilibrium. Before, the state of methane would have had lower enthalpy to the state of some long carbon chain. It is precisely this combination that forms the hydrocarbons beneath the crust. These huge reserves percolate upwards through channels into the bedrock on land. The generation is spontaneous and continuous, much like a chemical reaction in equilibrium. This is actually a related mechanism to the formation of diamond, which does not require a hydrogen rich environment.

For example, there have been many oil fields found BENEATH bedrock, there is no way the fossils ended up below that virgin rock.

>>1323161
>Calls established science (outside stupid geologists) "tin-foil"
>Expects his empty biomarker rhetoric to actually hold up to scrutiny
>Unfamiliar with the scientific principle of faslibility
>Unfamiliar with other mechanisms of "biomarkers" appearing in oil reserves above the deep reserves in strata

GB2Wikipedia

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I was going to link to an older paper which was far more comprehensive, but instead I'll give you this short abstract which is less informative, but should answer your question:

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v2/n8/abs/ngeo591.html

(Note: the reaction is reversible)
>By mimicking the conditions in the crust where oil is found we can create light crude in a lab.

I haven't seen the process for this commercial (note the wikipedia discussion) and as I said, since it is heated far beyond normal crust temperatures like other ARTIFICIAL processes, this shows nothing.

Good day, you lose sir, etc.

^ sounds like the ravings of a man hoping for a gigantic disaster. It's easy to scream "HOLY SHIT WE'RE ALL FUCKED" whenever something like this happens.

Realistically the well will be plugged eventually, something else will happen somewhere in the world and everyone except the people living on the Gulf coast will forget all about this. BP will slip out from under most of the liability with a wink and a grin, cleanup will take over a decade, deepwater drilling will start up again, business as usual.

I like how the objection >>1323161 was then answered by the scientist in the pasted log >>1323172, right afterwards.

Such irony.

>>1323196
>Realistically the well will be plugged eventually
How do you know this? LOL.

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That's all I've got, all credit to Scientist26 !!f4nESPV4U6H

>>1323161
>we find pieces of organic molecules in every single oil well

You mean complex hydrocarbons themselves? But we already know now that those can form naturally without any life forms.

Saturn's moon Titan is covered with hydrocarbons which rain from the sky.

Lol Oil spillan

>>1323215
Now the geologists are claiming there's life on titan.

I like how one bad assumption (fossil fuel) leads on to another.

>>1323210
thanks again.

>>1323205
Because things like this are -always- blown out of proportion by people. Well maybe blown out of proportion isn't the right term, because it IS a catastrophe, but it's human nature. Something terrible happens and as long as it doesn't affect you personally a part of you just wants to see it get worse.

There's always options. I can't think of a single instance where humanity has said "Well fuck it, there's no way to fix this" if fixing it really was a priority.

>>1323253
So it's just dumb blind hope without any analysis? The dudes saying we have to nuke it, but if that fails we're fucked. He isn't the only one saying that, some oil guy on msnbc was saying nuking it was a good option and now the military is talking about using a MOAB instead.

but what if it fails? ;_;

>>1322562
>Mohorovicic Discontinuity
There's no way they reached this point. Nothing to see here.

We had nuclear powered car technology in the 50's. What happened?

>>1323279
i looked up the depth in wikipedia
>discontinuity is 5 - 10 km (3 - 6 mi) below the ocean floor
... so there's a good chance they hit it, i think. just how deep was the well?

>>1323279

Mohorovicic discontinuity is 5 - 10 km (3 - 6 mi) below the ocean floor

30 000 feet = 9.144 kilometers

You were saying?

>>1323297
Was it in the ocean though?

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>>1323323
I mean, wasn't it in a GULF, faggot?

>>1323325
There aren't facepalms strong enough for the faggotry in this thread.

>>1323325
The Gulf of Mexico (Spanish: Golfo de México) is the eleventh largest body of water in the world. Considered a smaller part of the Atlantic Ocean, it is an ocean basin largely surrounded by the North American continent and the island of Cuba.

if this abiotic oil really exists: why is abiotic oul worse than normal oil?

>>1323349
Because it is a piece of reality that contradicts liberal religious doctrine.

>>1323349
High H2S concentration, deep drilling expenses. The "biotic" stuff is just whatever has filtered through sediments and shit from what I've read.

The US Government should just take over BP and be done with it in the first place. BP has dragged it's foot for so long and tried to cover their asses.

Obama is finished. He should of kicked BP out the moment we found out their lied and covered up how serious this was and took over.

He's a worthless slave to AIPAC and the Oil Baronies, just like Bush and every other fucking president in the past 20 years.

USA is finished, Corporatism has finally shown its true colors.

If there's money to made/saved, they don't give a shit if it fucks up the entire planet.

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>>1323371
There's nothing we can fucking do about it, so vent on.

>>1323409
Yeah there is, faggot. There is always something we can do.

Like march to Washington and overthrow the government.

Destroy all of the TV stations, torch congress.

Make farms, with real farmers. Create community responsibility, like we had in the past. Reforge the brotherhood of American pride, and then start over with new elections.

First step:

Buy a gun.

>>1323434
Your entire post makes me lol.
God, you simple faggots are fucking hilarious.

>first step, buy a gun

LOLOLOLOLOL

>>1323395
>Obama is finished. He should of kicked BP out the moment and took over with the US government non-existent extreme deep ocean opertating capability
Ya, that would have worked out wonderfully.

>>1323349

It's not abiotic oil vs "normal" oil. Abiotic just means the oil is not derived from living organisms.

From what I understand; Hydrogen(most common element in the known universe) + Carbon(most common element on the planet) + heat and pressure = Hydrocarbons(oil)

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

Thats what you get for not resorting to nuclear option the first chance you get

>>1323449
Carbon is not the most common, but it is very common.

The pressures involved are immense, with temperatures around 700 degrees required IIRC. Nothing near what is available in the crust.

>>1323462
That's what you get for messing with shit you don't understand. It's like a little kid picking at a scab even though his mother is telling him not to...

We're so fucked

So, could someone make a brief summary of worst case scenario and was the sub-floor of ocean or whatever really damaged ? Are we facing a catastrophe in our ecosystem soon ?

>>1324236
just pickin up on that are ya?

So a brief summary ? Ocean floor is somehow damaged ? Are we facing a catastrophe in our ecosystem ?

>>1324249
Google Chrome is fuckin up I see..

I just read the thread and I am so fucking scared lol

>>1324236
It's hard to make a worst case scenario when BP keeps making it worse: dumping toxic chemicals to disperse oil, incompetence killing it's stock value and threatening the well being of British pensioners, etc.