repeal reaganomics

>>1253625
We need to spend more money to make more jobs.

throw the corporations out of washington

the libfag is strong in this thread
there will be no recovery

>>1253641
>>1253634
>>1253638

Care to elaborate?

Except it really isn't, its only starting to inflate a new bubble.

>>1253645

umad lassiez faire failed?

>>1253634
They did, it's what caused the credit crunch.

>>1253646

when things become "too big to fail" they clearly need some regulations put on them to keep from bringing the whole world down around them

Anti-trust laws. ENFORCE THEM. Throw CEO's of various industries in prison for the rest of their lives.

That'll force companies to actually compete against each other, putting a downward pressure on prices and an upward pressure on labor demand.

>>1253663

Now the US government is "Too big to fail."

Who's going to bail them out?

>>1253663
>state ownership of corporations
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN

>>1253663
But who's to say the governments are the ones to ensure this? Shouldn't the corporations themselves self regulate? If they fall, they fall, and jobs will be lost, but perhaps the rest of the remaining businesses will learn and prevent themselves from falling as well?

>>1253678
china

>>1253678

governments are not corporations, if the government fails fine, at least we can restart and try to keep their (the goverments) interest vested in the public welfare instead of sucking lobbyist dicks

>>1253678
the government employs a lot of people, its been too big to fail since like 1800

>>1253689

>corporations
>self regulate

pick one

>>1253689
or we could regulate ourselves and not lose the jobs in the first place

>>1253638
america already has out of control spending.

stimulus? - here take one
700 billion bank bailout? - why not 3?
and the mortgage issue? - to big to fail - BAIL!

so now you have 13 trillion, you can either pay it back (löl) or inflate it away.

>>1253621

http://tinyurl.com/2c6m48e 3e3471c060790f070fe148ebe43c716d

>>1253678

>>1253701
>>1253697
typical libfag logic
liberals never learn

>>1253714

uh actually companies regulating themselves is right wing logic

>>1253714
learn from what? the depression which happened after we deregulated? or the recession that happened after we deregulated?

>>1253702
Can't inflate it away. The majority of the debt has been rolled over into short term debt by Greenspan and Bernanke. Start printing and the interest rate will also skyrocket.

Sorry Americans - You WILL be paying your debts.

>>1253714
If you really want to prove them wrong, come right out and argue your side rather than simply make fun of them. I'd love to hear arguments from the right in this thread, rather than just calling liberals retarded and showing pictures comparing Obama to Hitler and Lenin.

>>1253725
>implying there was any regulation to deregulate during the depression. Depression was worsened by crazy government policy in the 30s. The only reason we came out of it like we did is because we stayed out of WW2

>>1253730

the right wing has no arguements because its all their policies that have caused the recession.

>>1253722
>Self regulation has, in the past and present, failed.
ladies and gentlement, this is liberal ignorance at its finest

The regulation that needs to happen (bankruptcy) isn't taking place because the government keeps bailing out and propping up entities that are supposed to be going failing. THAT is self-regulation, and if it can't happen then the toxic assets they hold cannot be liquidated, the market can't correct prices and overall inefficiency will grow.

>>1253736
stayed out of WW2? i don't remember it like that

>>1253749

>thinks the banks didn't beg to be bailed out

>>1253749
>going failing

>>1253750
trolled

This is the kind of question you need to ask at the bottom, not at the peak of another bubble.

End keynsian bullshit. An economic system that only works if money is constantly being spent and is continually propped up by government pouring more money it when it stops being spent will inevitably lead to retarded consumerism and endless bubble/boom/bust cycles

>>1253753
>thinks that matters

OH GOD WE CANT SAY NO TO THE CORPORATIONS

>>1253749
that would also lose us a shit ton of jobs. if they were little tiny companies we would have let them fail, this was an emergency. What we are saying is to impose regulation that would keep the companies from reaching the point at which they threaten large numbers of jobs. So we can go with your way and make money real fast for 20 years then go into a recession, or slowly grow and have a stable economy

liberals are beyond hope, and I guess the dollar is too
See liberals, this is why people are buying precious metals; they know that the government's insanity cannot continue indefinitely, and are preparing for the inevitable dollar crisis. When it happens, people who have spent their lives saving money and investing wisely will be on the same level as people who spent foolishly; both groups will be flat broke.

>>1253622

is u poop sausage lulz 7bd33f83713bc2886b640c5cd682637d

war

>>1253810
Assuming similar demand for commercial and investment banking continued to exist, they would be replaced. Basically, free market would have fixed it.

>>1253816
people dont know that you dont _invest_ in gold/silver. they keep the same value, your money just gets less valuable - you can buy less things with it.

today you can buy as much bread with an ounce of gold as you could in old babylon - go read the historical texts.

>>1253816
dude we are just in debt chill. we beat the nazis and nuked the japs, i think we can handle debt

>>1253810
If the market correction causes some lost jobs, then those jobs should not have existed in the first place. Economic stimulus only postpones the recession, made inevitable by artificially low interest rates.

>>1253810
>implying we didn't lose a shit ton of jobs anyway

>>1253831
What if there's a massive gold/silver bubble?

The government is under the control of corporations, anyways. They're just proxies for the ones we should REALLY be talking to.

>>1253846
Gold is like real estate maaaaan, it can only go up!

>>1253825
you people keep ignoring the past. look at all the bubbles, all the recessions and depressions. the free market is fucking retarded and does stupid shit all the time when its not well regulated

>>1253831
Probably not since the technology for farming and bread making has reduced the scarcity and therefore value of bread

>>1253846
If anything, gold is being suppressed by Federal Reserve gold dumping.

SLIPPING BACK INTO THE SHITTER? WE NEVER FUCKING LEFT

>>1253864
So why didn't boom and bust stop after Keynesian policies became the standard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVF9s01NYI

>>1253864
>deliberately excluding the recession of 1920

Well I'd hate to break up this thread of absolute random stupidity, but I'd just like to point out that I'd consider the economy slightly recovered once I could get a FUCKING JOB AT MCDONALDS OR SOMETHING

>>1253864
Which bubbles and recessions are you talking about? Most of them here in the U.S. were precipitated by government intervention.

If you'd like to say that forcing the taxpayer to pay for losing bets and then legalizing fraud is a good idea, you can just come out and say so.

Legalizing fraud:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a2xng6J3TAdU
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a7ZeWzn42KX4

>>1253864
liberals: sure we have tons of regulations, but the unregulated parts of the market caused all our problems!

Conservatives: sure there's tons of unregulated trade, but the regulated parts of the market caused all our problems!

Hooray for mixed markets

>>1253878
>"We need more regulation! The market has always been free, we never adopted Keynesian economics!"

>>1253836
That is where you and I differ. Where you find massive unemployment acceptable, I don't

>>1253878
We don't have Keynesian policies. We don't withdraw deficit spending after the recovery occurs, we just try to keep the boom going.

>>1253900
Enforcing existing criminal laws against fraud would have been sufficient to prevent the current mess. Additionally, this is a good idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

>>1253904
The employment would be a temporary condition caused by the correction of prices and wages. Once this correction is complete, employment will normalize again.

>>1253932
>The unemployment would be a temporary condition
fixed for typo

>>1253864
all of them caused by market distortions due to government intervention

the free market is like a pond
government is like a rock

no matter how big the rock you throw in it, it makes waves, so yeah, ANY government intervention will cause distortions possibly leading to bubbles/recessions

>>1253911
> We don't withdraw deficit spending after the recovery occurs
it's like the regulators have a special mind filter that only lets them read the part that says "spend more"

lol liberals

>>1253904
Here's the difference between me and you. You find spending trillionsof dollars that don't actually exist to create fake unsustainable employment acceptable, I don't. Where are all those people going to go when the government tit dries up?

>>1254004
Government is too big to fail!

>>1253911
Not really, it was text book excessive lending through government sponsored enterprises by the federal reserve, rather like the Japanese property bubble, in fact I would go so far as to say the similarities go right back to Ponzi himself and even the tulip bulbs, the only difference is the state was responsible for it. You blame big banks for "speculation" but it was subsidiaries of fanny mae and freddie mac that collaterialised the mortgage obligations in order to mask toxic assets and sell them to the private sector, all with the state's seal of approval to give it an air of legitimacy. If they're guilty of anything it's trusting the state too much, which isn't exactly an argument in favor of greater regulation.

Clearly reality indicates that there are limits to the state's ability to regulate, it probably ended at protecting property rights to begin with, we need a return to 19th century style laissez faire banking where the source and usage of the fungible assets are determined before every transaction takes place.

$13 trillion debt. Plus $5 trillion in "toxic assets" taken over from Fannie and Freddie ($1.6 trillion of which is pure debt). Over $1 trillion deficit for 2010.

Only 41,000 private sector jobs created last month. 9.7% unemployment, probably closer to 11% counting people who just gave up looking for work altogether.

DOW under 10,000 again.

We'll still be recovering 10 years from now.

>>1254072
The sad thing is that the people you're arguing against won't understand most of the words in your post but "laissez faire" will trigger their "MOVE TO SOMALIA" response

>>1254087
and it will still be bushs fault 10 years from now

>>1253725

What about the recession that happened when the government was artificially lowering interest rates & imposing fractional reserve banking? Or how about the decade-long Depression that happened when government was artificially lowering interest rates & imposing fractional reserve banking AND putting gigantic tariffs on imported goods ( while other countries fought back with their own tariffs) ?

>>1253916
Oh Glass-Steagall~
How I miss you, its a shame that the Graham-Bleach-Bliley Act murdered and raped your corpse..