no moniez

america cant into high speed rail

Nah, we should produce more tanks and aircraft.

Conservatives not wanting to lose oil money that they don't get.

>>1052422
is it true that you're an Australian queer that makes these speed rail posts everyday?

>>1052429
the debt is mainly from the out of control military spending + medicare working through privatized system
sollution: slash military budget + universal healthcare
additionally a broad program of revitalizing & building new city, regional, state, rail and introducing high-speed rail would employ hundreds of thousands of Americans, probably more, stimulating the economy and slashing unemployment

>>1052447
>bbbaaaawwww it's all the conservatives fault

For high speed rails to be built we need coprorations who will fund the project.

>>1052462
I'm not queer

nothing going to vegas?

Democrats dont want to stop giving loads of free cash to niggers who spend it on DVDs and "bling".

no one in america needs it because we all have cars

>>1052475
oh, but you are the Australian guy airforcefag was ranting about? why do you want us to have one so bad? just curious.

>>1052468
Like GM buying and shutting down the Streetcar networks in the 1950s?
Anyway, SNCF program for 220mph trains in the Mid-West calls for 54% government money & 46% private investment

>>1052463
new deal II... I suppose it could work, and if not what's the worst that could happen?

>>1052482
why can't i ever find nigger facts sources?

>>1052482
while Eisenhower spent $450 billion in adjusted dollars on the Interstate Highway System

i do not want an intrusion on my soil with a public project of this magnitude

>>1052513
>Eisenhower
>Democrat

>>1052522
meanwhile the Pentagon gets nearly a trillion dollars
a year

Lets cut our defense budget by half and make a rail network linking all major cities in the country

sounds queer

The oil lobby would never allow the US government to build a rail system.

>>1052559
do it
and triple the defense budget afterwards

>>1052559
that's the thing. people don't really travel city-to-city all that much. it's mostly city to rural/suburb and vice versa.

>>1052572
So we kill the oil lobby.

i hated it that we have so much military might but we are not bombing the shit out of everyone now. what a waste

trains are so 19th century

>>1052572
cars aren't really used for this level of travel
thats planes
They might kick up a fuss if you decided to do something about the lack of a proper Metro train network in Houston, Dallas, Detroit, Phoenix, and Miami; the dismal joke of a metro train service in numerous other cities; then tried expanding from there with commuter & regional train services; street running tram/streetcar/lightrail; and so on and so forth.

>>1052599
this. i seriously feel like i'm not getting my taxdollars worth. either cut the budget or start bombing more shit, so i can have something fun to watch on tv for once.

why would i want it when i can just drive to any places i want

>>1052609
Americans fucking love their cars.

Would be tougher to get people to use them than to build them.

Then again, I am in central Texas.

>>1052605
and yet they're still the most efficient form of transportation

>>1052609
>Detroit
proof that you people have no fucking idea of what you're talking about

>>1052614

start bombing and expelling all minorities, economy crisis solved

BUILD A RAIL FROM NY TO LONDON
UNDER DA SEA

>take train
>get to destination
>don't have a car to get anywhere

such fucking fail. public transportation is the biggest joke of the modern age

retarded idea

>>1052619
they switch once theres a good working alternative, I'm not a fan of them being lightrail but people did switch to using the Blue Line in L.A. and DART in Dallas
>>1052615
and how much does that cost you and society and the environment

>>1052636
The Amtrak Autotrain is a great concept.

>>1052636
another train
walk
bike
tram/streetcar/lightrail
bus

>>1052630
the idea of an undersea "vactrain" gets suggested and looked into every few decades

>>1052652
>walk

>>1052652
Britishland Cities =/= American Sprawl

Look at fucking any town in the west - they sprawl out for miles instead of building upwards due to limited space.

They aren't dense enough to warrant modes of transportation other than automobiles, unless you go batshit and plaster every 3 blocks with a station.

Even then it would cost billions.

>>1052630
4000 mph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain
Only prob is itd take trillions of cash and hundred years to build the tunnel

takes a lot of money to pay for niggers and spics.

With this BP mess and the growing public distrust of oil i think this might be a possibility

Here in my car
I feel safest of all
I can lock all my doors
It's the only way to live
In cars

Here in my car
I can only receive
I can listen to you
It keeps me stable for days
In cars


Here in my car
Where the image breaks down
Will you visit me please?
If I open my door
In cars


Here in my car
I know I've started to think
About leaving tonight
Although nothing seems right
In cars

>>1052652
>>1052650
don't want to get stabbed. pt is full of criminals and the piss poor. also: walk? lol? like carl lewis?

>>1052650
I dont know why Amtrak operates that thing, motorail is a luxury for long distance vacationing - it should be running passenger trains not tourist services
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorail

rail is stupid. busses are a smarter idea. and we already have that so no need to throw money at a rail system that wil never be used.

Canadafag here.


High speed from Vancouver BC to...Euguene, OR?

What the fuck is in Eugene?

Never gonna happen under current political climate: large public spending is already a taboo subject and we simply can't afford it

>>1052694
exactly. people don't travel city-to-city.

>>1052687
Buses suck. I've ridden Greyhound. Hot, smelly, noisy, and loaded with beaners.

>>1052694
weed

>>1052636
You use the public transporation at the place you arrived or walk you faggot.

ITT americans keeping their eyes closed

i never took a train before because i am not a poorfag

>>1052722
see
>>1052667

Pubic Transit?
No thanks.

>>1052667
I live out on the suburban/rural fringe of a city that is not dense and sprawls out for many many many miles, yet there is a terminus of a commuter railway not far away. And we have a quite broad ranging commuter railway network overall.
A bus will take to local train station in under 5 minutes, or I can walk via a bike trail and be there in ~20 minutes.
Once on the train every stop along the commuter railway will have at least a couple bus services operating from them, some going through the surrounding suburbs others further afield, closer to the city centre there will also be trams running on nearby roads

>>1052725
If it could work, it would be great.

But America's highway system was designed to transport people from suburbs to central cities, unlike Britain.

>>1052667
hurr durr what is a bus?

>>1052454
>>1052551
>>1052656
>>1052720
>>1052732

FUKC YEAH
EAT THAT METAL SMELLY GREENFAGS

>>1052687
buses are the least form of Public Transportation

>>1052745
Those are already in use by those who can't afford cars.

>>1052757
So?

>>1052722

So instead of taking 15 minutes to get somewhere in a car, I'm supposed to take public transportation so it can take 3 hours? No thanks

>>1052703

if it got to a point where lots of people used busses, there'd be fancier ones, for a little extra. they should make private roads, just for busses, and make the busses the size of submarines, and make the nuclear powered.

>>1052766
Give me a reason to switch.

Jeremy Clarkson almost always beats public transit in a car. He's beaten planes.

>>1052772

holy cow, a movies was made about a nuclear powered bus. "The Big Bus." I'm youtubing it.

>>1052770
I cant imagine how it would take 3 hours

there is more than one single railway line you know

>>1052786

I'm talking about once you get to where you're going. I'm in a pretty small city, takes about 10-15 minutest to get from one side to the other in a car. If i tried to do the same taking a bus it would take me no less than an hour and a half. And since it's sunday, probably longer today.

>>1052757
Indeed, it would simply be preposterous to expect fine gentlmen such as ourselves to sit with the various ruffians, plebs and other uncouth persons who inhabit the various dregs of public transportation.

You know, they might try to steal something or get dirt on us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVkY8oA3RlE
Why pubic transport will never win.

>>1052772
>private road for buses
bus lanes? O-Bahns?
But no seriously buses are lame. They dont last long, require constant maintenance, fuckup the roads with their weight, create pollution and exhaust fumes, etc
Once you start getting beyond low density suburban neighbourhoods with detached homes and begin getting mixed medium density and beyond then you should really look at tram/streetcar/lightrail
and commuter train for traveling from suburbs to city cetre
and metro train inside the city

>>1052766
Americans don't take buses unless they have to because most Americans like to drive. also cars and trucks (which are extremely common here) are just more useful.

>>1052810
Actually, busses produce less pollution per person than cars do. More because tons of people ride them than because the busses themselves are efficient, but I think the point still stands.

>>1052810
>bus lanes? O-Bahns?

we're trying something like that here in the SFV in california. it's okay, i hear most people don't like it just because of all the nasty spics in it.

personally i just like that it came with two glorious big bike lanes right next to it so you don't have to fear cars running you over.

>>1052810

what about gondolas?

>>1052854
>big bike lanes
>clear californian faggotry

>>1052875
>big bike lanes

good for both bicyclists and motorists. motorists don't have to be annoyed or paranoid about hitting a bicyclist, and the bicyclist doesn't have to feel those things either. it's win/win.

>>1052900
>don't have to worry-
not my fault you suck at driving.

An example of an alright but not perfect Commuter train network, from rural fringe through suburbs to city centre
You only really start seeing density close in
About an hour from the end of the longest lines to Flinders St Station
There are plenty of freeways you could drive, too many as they've built ten over the past 40 years and now want even more, some might get you there a little quicker but there is the hassle of driving, the cost of petrol, the cost of parking, the cost of using the newer tollways, etc - and that initial time saving eventually dries up because hey guess what building more roads encourages more driving, this happens every single time all over the world necessitating an endless development of more roads to keep pace - or you can break the cycle and instead put the passengers on the one means of transportation that is proven to work and expand capacity when required without fail

>>1052925
>Batman
GODDAMN

>>1052854
you'd be better putting streetcars/lightrail on them and your regular roads

>>1052932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_railway_station,_Melbourne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman

I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night. Soon, where /new/ once stood will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful.

reasons

>>1052995
Russian subway station

>>1053086

>>1053091

>>1052911
what? the problem isn't my driving, it's other people's driving. i don't think you understand just how shitty the drivers in LA are, and not only that, but how inconsistent the bike lanes are on the streets.

wider bike lanes that make it possible to get to point A to B while avoiding motorists is a good thing.

>>1053096

>>1052986
BRILLIANT

>>1052625
>start bombing and expelling all minorities, economy crisis solved

Save money on bombs
drop mexicans on the arabs

Train guy.

Can you tell me, what would be the most feasible method of constructing dead straight tracks across the US? The gradient is so low as to be irrelevant, the distance between New York and Chicago is 1150 kms and the height of Chicago above sea level is 176 metres, even if for some reason the station at new york is at sea level the gradient will still be 15 cms per kilometre, or 10 inches per mile if you prefer.

I'm pretty sure with modern technology blasting through mountains won't be a problem.

>>1053176
Well actually they're currently building a new tunnel through the Alps to provide a High-Speed link between France & Italy, between Lyons and Torino.
Curves are the problem, not gradient.
Cant have it taking sharp corners at 250+km/h you know.

I like trains

>>1053301
I do too

>>1053301
>>1053307
as do I, I just recognize where their proper place is.

>>1053176
Just start laying it!
Existing track can be with upgrades used for speeds up to 160-200kmh, but that takes away from commuter/regional trains as well as the freight trains (who probably own the track anyway) and there'll be older infrastructure which wont be able to support it, level crossings, etc.
250+kmh really needs its own dedicated track. The train would trundle out of the city on regular tracks and then turn of onto the High-Speed Railway.
Its pretty built up in the North-East and Mid-West so you might not always be able to put it in the open country side, might have to be in elevated causeways or open trenches or deeper tunnels, but thats just something you have to accept.
A lot simpler than the Big Dig anyway.

>>1052422
Give the person an option of driving their car with 100,000 miles on it 200 miles back and forth to visit family, or taking a train thereby saving money on gas and eventual car repairs but possibly losing time, they will inevitably pick the train. Why dont we have high speed rail already? Because the government won't fund it. Why won' t they fund it? Guess why.

>>1053347
Agreed.
Trains are awesome. So are cars and trucks.

>Why cant America?
Trains are lame as hell.

No niggers in my car.

>>1053406
if we had more trains like these I'd be a little bit more open to the idea.

>>1053390
most Americans drive more than 200 miles a week.

>>1053390
>they will inevitably pick the train
I wouldn't. I like my car.

>>1053390
1 to 2 hours

>>1053390
lol, no!

i'd still choose my car. nothing against the train, it would probably be lovely, but like everything that's public: poor people are shit and they turn everything they touch into shit.

>>1053390

I'd choose my car, Once I get to my family's I don't want to be subject to having to be driven around. That's why when trains get built, no one rides them. No one wants to take the train if they don't absolutely have to

>>1053551
>implying poor people would be on highspeed trains
lolno, these things are like luxury liners
>>1053564
commuter train at the destination
regional train at the destination
metro train at the destination
tram/streetcar/lightrail at the destination
bike, walk

>>1053390
also, no matter what i drive, the gas will still be cheaper than the train ticket.

as for repairs? not my fault you don't know how to maintain your car.

Trains only take you to a city. They do not take you where you need to be.

>>1053390
I can bring more stuff with me with my vehicle.

We did it was called Amtrack. When the politicians got done with it it was a clusterfuck.

>>1053580
if it's public, they'd be on it.

Trainfags are annoying. If you want to be Europe so badly just move there.

>>1053595
highspeed train will carry luggage

>>1053601
that was never highspeed rail

>>1053601
SUMMARY OF EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC INITIATIVE DONE BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, EVER

>Why cant America?
We can, we don't want to.

>>1053659

Why we like cars:

1.Cheap gas
2.Freedom
3.Quick
4,Free Parking
5.The only way to get anyway in the suburb

When will we use public transportation:
1. 20$/gal gas
2. Traffic jams everywhere due to population increase.
3. Lack of parkings or insane parking fees
4. When everyone lives in high rise apartments

In other word, when driving becomes a pain.

>>1054027
>cheap gas
the gas is cheap because it is underpriced - for one example because the tax hasn't been raised since the early 1990s the Highway Trust Fund annually runs short 8 to 10 billion and must be topped up by the Federal Government transferring cash from the general fund each and every year.
There'll be similar problems at the state level.
And then there are other ways it is underpriced, nobody pays for the pollution it emits, the carbon generated, the accidents, etc - these are externalized.
>freedom
People with good public transportation dont have freedom?
America didn't have freedom until the Streetcar networks were shut down?
>Quick
wut? Rail is quick
>Free Parking
another externality, you should be paying the market rate for that spot
>anywhere in the suburb
thats exactly what commuter trains do, look at the Melbourne map: bulk of what the trains travel through are suburbs
>Traffic jams everywhere due to population increase.
>implying you don't already have that
but I suppose if you're spending a billion a year on new road construction to keep pace with it like Houston then its alright
>When everyone lives in high rise apartments
nope a megalopolis is not a requirement, plenty of low and medium density areas have rail based public transportation

>>1056743
hi! i did a nice calculation. to make up for those funds, we'd need about a 14 cent increase on gas

guess what, gas sometimes goes up or down 14 cents a month. no one would even notice

>>1056750
this would be a permanent rise, not a market fluctuation
they market fluctuations would then be on top of the new price rise

>>1056750
but your head would explode if the Federal government suddenly spent 8 to 10 billion on a new rail project

>>1056772
yeah, so? we wouldn't notice

>>1056776
yep. yknow why? trains suck. this isn't the 30's anymore when cars were garbage.

>>1056787
why do you say they suck?

>>1056790

>>1056798
your point?

>>1056808

>>1056812
thats not an answer

>>1056850

>>1056867
so you cant explain your idea

>>1056874
Americans prefer personal transportation. Not standing around a train station waiting for a train like Euro-sheep.

>>1056897
yes, a wait of 3 to 10 minutes for a train or tram/streetcar/lightrail would just be torture

>>1056897
>Implying that sitting in traffic for hours in a densely populated city is awesome

>>1056905
See, I don't want to walk to the nearest train or bus pickup. As it is now, it's like four miles away. I'm not walking that far every day.

>>1056923
bus from suburban neighbourhood to commuter train station

more commuter railway lines - theres supposed to be more than one you know, look at the Melbourne map: more than a single railway

>>1056874

>Seattle to Vancouver
>Boston to Montreal

>No train from Detroit to Windsor, onto Ottawa and Toronto

>Son,iamdissapoint.jpg

>>1056971
furter proof this shit is retarded. have you ever been on 95 north of boston? it's nearly deserted. i cruise at ~120mph on it on my way to new hampshire. there's no reason for anyone to go from boston to portland.

highway are designed to bring people from rural areas to other rural areas or urban areas, not urban areas to other urban areas.

>>1056923
I can get a bus that takes 5 minutes to get to one of the terminus stations on the Melbourne map, the bus goes through suburban neighbourhood streets in the area, several other similar bus routes operate from the station, more that travel further afield between railways and along highways and to shopping centres and shit like that, and a pair of coach services out into the rural countyside. Its not rocket science to figure out how to arrange this shit.
But I usually walk unless there is a hurry because I'm not a fatarse, a nice ~20 minute stroll along a bike trail.

>>1056971
yeah it is a bit shitty, you'll also notice that Houston isn't connected to the rest of Texas and Florida isn't connected to the rest of the South-East Coast
>>1056991
long distance commuter, or regional train

>>1057012
there are no urban to urban commuters. if you work in the city, you either live in that city, or somewhere more rural.

portland is really small and quiet dude. it's more like a large town.

>>1057019
we've upgraded track & signal and bought new Diesel Multiple Unit trains that average speeds of 160kmh (100mph) to improve our regional train services in Victoria connecting Geelong (population 120,000) to Melbourne; Ballarat and Bendigo (88,000 & 85,000) to Melbourne; Taralgon (30,000) to Melbourne
They and your Portland can also improve their internal transportation with tram/streetcar/lightrail
(actually they did used to have tram routes, but shut down in the 1960s)

>>1057058
i don't think you understand. it's not that portland is too small, it's that it's remote, and people like that. it's just a pitstop on the way to remote New Brunswick.

>>1052422
Because California alone is bigger than either the United Kingdom or Japan, and Texas is bigger than both of them combined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan


Puts your "Let's build Rail!" plans in perspective, doesn't it?

>>1057447
Not to mention that, since we are not so destructively taxed and regulated like in japan and the UK.

Americans for the most part are rich enough to own cars and trucks and be able to drive places.

>>1057523
>Americans for the most part are rich enough to own cars and trucks and be able to drive places.

Damn right. I have a car, a truck, a motorcycle, and an ATV. Between my mother, father, step mother, two sisters, and I there are 8 automobiles.

tl;dr Cars everywhar.

>>1057540
>>1057523
yeah but this dipshit thinks that americans will trade them in for buses and trains. it's absolutely hilarious.

>>1052422

Why can't you suck black cock OP?

I'm an actual American, not the OP and I'll give you the real reasons why America can't have high speed rail or at least European style rail service. Lack of political willpower and car worship.

America loves their cars, and they expect everyone to be able to drive, even if you are disabled or are unable to drive for whatever reason. They don't care about traffic gridlock nor the fact that they drive two-three hours roundtrip commutes.

The second reason is the lack of political willpower. Politician talk, talk, and talk about improving the American rail system, but don't do little much beyond talking. Because the instant an politician takes leadership, the automobile industry and it's connected companies will lobby against such an efficient system. Why? Because they hate real competition, especially from the government.

>>1052422
>>>/n/
Is that way.

Trains are just terrorist targets anyway.

We have interstate buses, right after 9/11 what happened? Some idiot slashed the throat of a Greyhound drive while he was driving.

The Long Island Railroad Massacre? People should be required to be armed for mass transit.

>>1053366
Well the general idea is to build dead straight regular tracks for freight and possibly ordinary commuters, though to be honest this won't be all that popular until high speed technology is implemented. You build high speed tracks next to them later once the infrastructue and profits are in place

>>1057635


I just...I don't even...

>America loses untold millions of Amtrak, which is for sale to whomever wants to buy it

>Ignoring this fact, nips and urofaggots think we are "barbaric" because we don't have a high speed rail system

>fuck off

>>1057704
It's been broke since the 70's. It's never even come close to breaking even.

Trains are the future, if you like government spending.

>>1057721
I'd rather the government spend on trains than roads. We need a policy in the US where any road improvement project gets a toll.

>>1057735
I'd rather the Federal Government NOT spend money at all.

>>1057735
What part of it never even paying for itself got past you?

>>1057749
4 JESUS

I used to take a city buss from college to work.

Lets see.

Took about 1 hour and 1/2 to get from school to home, so thats 3 hours

took about 1 hour and a 1/2 to get from home to work

thats another 3 hours

6 hours out of my day monday - friday. 6 x 5 = 30 hours.

Most people work 40 hours.

after realizing this i shot myself in the head.

After getting a car, I didn't have to wait for the bus in the snow/rain and didn't feel like an asshole because i didn't give that homeless guy cash.

After getting a car, home to school was 20 mins (40 mins total, the big drop in time was because the buses that took me to school were undermanned and if not cut by the time i was done with school which made me have to wait that much longer)

and home to work was 30 mins. (so an hour, the buses to home and work where more popular routes so more buses were available)

Car saves more time

Time = money.

>>1057704

Because Amtrak is a giant failboat if you're moving people.
It took me 36 hours to get from Houston to Chicago with one connection, and it was barely cheaper than flying if you book in advance. I think the top speed on our train was like seventy. If we had a rail system that could travel at speeds anywhere near what the European and Japanese rails can do and went between major urban centers, people would use it.

>>1057769

just imagine if you were on a track that wasn't owned by amtrak, then your train would of stopped and have to wait.

That shit happened to my sisters and they were fucked and STRANDED. (missed the second train they had to connect to) Also if you're intrested to know what happened to them they took a ton of city busses linked together and met up with a friend sort of half way where they had to go. I don't care who you are, you know what the feeling of being lost is like. That is not fucking cool.

Fuck trains. Seriously, I once missed my flight and got on the next one out.

>>1057785

Using a personal experience to shit on an idea is dangerous. canceled/overbooked flights happen all the time, so do delays.
If a well-funded modern rail system existed, it would probably have an incredibly low number of problems. Look at the train system in Japan. You'd probably have to double or triple the number of problems they have though considering ours would be staffed by the same trash you see working for the TSA.

>>1057802

I guess you have a point good sir, but dont they get crammed in there? I mean damn thats alittle close isn't it? also must be a groping paradise.

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>>1057834
>dont they get crammed in there?

On AmTrak, hell no. Their ridership is laughable and they're working far under capacity, so you have a few cars full of seats, and when I rode, probably one in nine seats were taken. There was also a lounge car type thing which is where most of the people were for the duration of the trip.
On an actual high speed system, anything that goes outside of the city would have a seating system similar to a plane, but you get more leg-room (we did on amtrak) since they can carry a lot more passengers in relation to the actual operating cost.

For anything that was public transit and stayed inside a given city, yeah, I guess groping might happen, but there are already subway systems and rail systems on the East and West coasts, Texas, etc., not to mention the shit-ton of buses.
The thing is that even though there's a maximum occupancy for public transit vehicles, there's no definite way of telling how many people will be on any given bus or train and I doubt those are strictly enforced at peak hours.
On a rail system that went across the country or across a state, you would have to buy a ticket from a ticket counter and they could cut off sales when it reaches a certain point rather than just paying fare when you're actually on a bus or buying a ticket that lets you get on any metro/subway car on a given line. They would be able to control the number of riders much better than in a public transit sytem.

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Why Cant't Amerika?
Cuz they can't!
Look at one of the most recent examples of new rail services opened in the US: The Austin Texas Capital Metro Red Line.
- way over budget
- 2+ years late
- crappy schedules
- no late night trains
- no weekend service
- low rider levels
- huge budget shortfalls are projected hindering future growth and causing fares to rise on other services ie: bus routes.
Result: Epic Failure
If America can't open a 20 mile commuter rail system on existing track; do you really think a huge project like the one proposed will be successful?

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They'd just hire illegal immigrants to do the manual labor jobs.

The money would come from junk bonds, thereby drastically lowering the value of the dollar.

All for some fucking trains that nobody will use because in America 'Hurr durr trains r dum'