COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS:
1. One common theory is that the sun is responsible for global warming. While the sun does drive climate, (indeed, the earth would be an iceball without it) it does not adequately explain the current observed warming. In fact, multiple independant observations suggest that the sun has shown a cooling trend since 1960, whereas temperatures have climbed. The data shows that temperatures are higher than they would be under current solar conditions.

2. Another common misconception is that Milankovitch Cycles (cycles of the Earth's tilt, orbital eccentricity and precession) are responsible for climate change. This is incorrect - first, Milankovich cycles have long time frames - 26,000, 41,000 and 100,000 year cycles. These cycles have nothing to do with the current ~200 year trend. Secondly, they do not rebut the basic theory outlined above; that is, greenhouse gas concentrations emitted by humans can and are warming the planet up on top of the Milankovich cycles, like a boat riding a wave. The existence of the wave does not disprove the boat.

3. Some point to the fact that in the past, CO2 levels have lagged behind the temperature record - in the past, when natural cycles have lead to a warm earth, the CO2 concentrations in the ocean were partially released into the atmosphere. However, since nobody is confused about where the CO2 is coming from, this doesn't disprove the climate change theory. (It actually shows a worrisome feedback loop where heating oceans can absorb less CO2, putting more back in the air). Since we know the CO2 in the atmosphere is not the result of a natural occurence, the history of warming causing CO2 release is irrelevant.

hurr global warming happens. Empirical Fact.
>it do it really really do.

So people emit 28B tons, how much is nautrally released by say volcanos per annum?

From OP Pic article:

>"Warming of the climate system is unequivocal," concluded a report by 600 scientists from governments, academia, green groups and businesses in 40 countries. Worse, there was now at least a 90 percent likelihood that the release of greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels is causing longer droughts, more flood-causing downpours and worse heat waves, way up from earlier studies.

>A conservative think tank long funded by ExxonMobil, she told Boxer, had offered scientists $10,000 to write articles undercutting the new report and the computer-based climate models it is based on. "I realized," says Boxer, "there was a movement behind this that just wasn't giving up."

>Since the late 1980s, this well-coordinated, well-funded campaign by contrarian scientists, free-market think tanks and industry has created a paralyzing fog of doubt around climate change. Through advertisements, op-eds, lobbying and media attention, greenhouse doubters (they hate being called deniers) argued first that the world is not warming; measurements indicating otherwise are flawed, they said. Then they claimed that any warming is natural, not caused by human activities. Now they contend that the looming warming will be minuscule and harmless. "They patterned what they did after the tobacco industry," says former senator Tim Wirth, who spearheaded environmental issues as an under secretary of State in the Clinton administration. "Both figured, sow enough doubt, call the science uncertain and in dispute. That's had a huge impact on both the public and Congress."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/32482

>Empirical Fact
Anytime someone mutters this phrase they are to be ignored. Empirically.

You're wasting your time. Anyone who believes that climate change is a hoax believes it as part of an anti-science belief structure.

Any scientific argument you use to prove them wrong will be ignored, because they automatically distrust science.

Humans produce CO2.
Thats a fact. But a single eruption in iceland negates anything a reduction in our CO2 output can ever do.
So theres no point in Green technology at all. We should make things more efficient to save ourselves money, but investing in green technology is a complete waste that results in destroying our own economy and slows down true technological progress.

Read the "Stone Mountain Report" written for JFK in 1962. It talks about needing something like global warming to keep the country together. It's hard to find, but it talks about everything going on in our government today.

>>1035857
>the sun has shown a cooling trend

A small smattering of sources:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/overview_2006.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/ncdc.html
http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/temp/angell/angell.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/309/5732/284
http://www.bgc.mpg.de/service/iso_gas_lab/publications/PG_WB_IJMS.pdf
http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/pdffiles/Hansen-04-29-05.pdf
http://www.geol.ucsb.edu/faculty/lea/pdfs/Martin%202005%20Paleo.pdf
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008JC005237.shtml
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1178296
http://www.mps.mpg.de/dokumente/publikationen/solanki/c153.pdf
http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/464/2094/1387.abstract
http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/lockwood2007.pdf

Global warming activists are racist.

WTF is an Emperial Fact? Is that just a made up word made to make your opinions sound undisputable? Its about as valid as the overused word Significant.

>>1035881

Solar output is decreasing.

>>1035885
Stay in school kids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism

does it matter? answer me this climate change faggot,

if it's real, how do you intend to stop it? realistically, wouldn't it be too late to do anything about it now? how exactly do you measure the 'devastation' which could be caused by this global warming?

>>1035877
actually a weeks worth of plane trips have already canceled out the effects of the volcano

please try again

>>1035885 WTF is an Emperial Fact? Is that just a made up word

Oh, wow.

>>1035874
>You're wasting your time. Anyone who believes that climate change is a hoax believes it as part of an anti-science belief structure.

You are a fucking idiot. I wish I could tell you more, but you seem so blindly fanatical to a political agenda, it puts radical Christians to shame.

This is why no one respects you here. Has nothing to do with your views of religion, but how fucking ignorant and hypocritical you are of your own blind science.

Do you REALLY want me to dig up cold hard facts that disprove science or are you just going to knee jerk react to reality like some stuttering retard?

>>1035897
How does plane trips cancel out a volcano? Those planes are just going to be up there in a month polluting the upper atmosphere nonstop once the clouds clear up.

>>1035877
>>1035864
Volcanoes emit around 0.3 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. This is about 1% of human CO2 emissions.

The Iceland volcano actually emitted NEGATIVE CO2, if you take into account the amount of air traffic it grounded. It also emitted aerosols which have a negative greenhouse effect. Pic related.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/do-you-believe-ian-plimer/
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/co2-and-the-volcanoes/
http://www.cabnr.unr.edu/gustin/ERS765/geologic%20carbonarticleJMB.pdf

>>1035885
Oh damn...

>>1035877
Back that by numbers or put your foot in your mouth.

>>1035864
Volcanoes emit much lower then humans.

>>1035902
Related.

>>1035926
Graphs with no explanation, source or background.
That's almost equivalent to "My mother told me"

Hurr, Durr A hotter planet radiates heat faster.

>>1035926
>10 years
It was 70° an hour ago, it is 80° now
our planet will explode in less than a month
QED.

>>1035926
Related.

With the mass influx of women and minorities lawsuiting themselves in colleges, science is not where it should be today. Empirical fact.

>>1035941
Related.

>>1035888
hey Rasputin
global warming, yay or nay?

>>1035952
Science became distorted when we let minorities have access to our sciences and assumed they were smart enough to handle it.

>>1035926
also related

PROTIP: 1998 was a very hot year

>>1035962
Related.

>>1035926
>>1035951
>>1035962
>10 years
>9 years
>1,5 years
I will instantly and forever believe you if you can produce the same graph for the last 150 years
otherwise you are cherrypicking

I love how none of these graphs show error bars or confidence limits.

>>1035951
Related.

>>1035962
See, I can play that game too.

>>1035987
On it chief. Hold one second.

>>1035985
And how does this prove climate change is incorrect?

Nice linking of a graph without any explanation of what it is or how it is applicable to the climate change debate.

>>1036005
Done.

>>1036005
waiting

>>1035951
>>1035962
>>1036000

>A look at the Earth's total heat content clearly shows global warming has continued past 1998. The planet is still accumulating heat. So why do surface temperature records show 1998 as the hottest year on record? We see in Figure 1 that the heat capacity of the land and atmosphere is small compared to the ocean. Hence, relatively small exchanges of heat between the atmosphere and ocean can cause significant changes in surface temperature.

>In 1998, an abnormally strong El Nino caused heat transfer from the Pacific Ocean to the atmosphere. Consequently, we experienced above average surface temperatures. Conversely, the last few years have seen moderate La Nina conditions which had a cooling effect on global temperatures. And the last few months have swung back to warmer El Nino conditions. This has coincided with the warmest June-August sea surface temperatures on record. This internal variation where heat is shuffled around our climate is the reason why surface temperature is such a noisy signal.

Your graphs are shit, buddy.

>>1036013
I already told you would instantly disbelieve whatever I had to say because of blind religious zeal.

But the gist is this: Despite the fraction of CO2 we dump into the atomsphere, it has little to no effect on the naturally occuring cooling trends that has been occuring for the last 75000 years.

I am not arguing that it has NO effect, but I am stating that it does affect the human populace to any appreciable degree and is, in fact, combating the current cooling trend that has BEEN SCINTEIFICALLY DOCUMENTED AND OBSERVED.

Do you understand? This really isn't a debate. You are ARGUING WITH REALITY.

>>1036016
so the last 20 years, had the warmest 14 years on record, since 160 years.
yeah, our earth is totally not warming

>>1036016
rofl, what exactly do you think that graph shows?

>>1036033
how about the reality of this >>1036035

>>1036033
> Despite the fraction of CO2 we dump into the atomsphere, it has little to no effect on the naturally occuring cooling trends that has been occuring for the last 75000 years.

why are we seeing anomalous warming then?

>>1036026
No, bro. That sounds like an irrational rationalization cherry picked to combat reality.

You are really arguing that the irridation of the ocean surrounding us that has been absorbing with its own effections of the CO2 over the last 3000 years has any bearing on current trends?

No, really, are you this fucking stupid or are you just so stonewalled into your own delusions that has been spoon fed to you that you can't comprehend that *this* just might be a grindstone from a scientist who developed a correlation with greenhouse gasses and heat taken WAAAAAAAY too far?

>>1036033
>current cooling trend
you mean, that one when you cherrypick your data, so you take the hottest year on record (1998) as your starting point?

>>1036033

you; respond to graph here:

>>1035982

co2 sinks in air fact

most of it is absorbed by plants, who then emit oxygen.

co2 is not a pollutant. stop the econ marxists world domination plot.

>>1036053
That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.

L2Graph.

>>1036050
>You are really arguing that the irridation of the ocean surrounding us that has been absorbing with its own effections of the CO2 over the last 3000 years has any bearing on current trends?

Not all of those are real words, and it's certainly incoherent. Are you claiming that the ocean's total heat in that chart is a result of it's absorption of CO2?

>>1036069
...you are just fucking playing ignorant.

Again, I ask, do you really want me to explain this to you or are you just going to blindly defend a false position that has no bearing on reality because of some blind religious zeal?

I want an honest answer. I'm not going to bang my head against a wall for the sake of some 24 year old kid who just passed his first GEO101 class.

>my face when people STILL believe in global warming after climategate, after loads of debunks and fater the polar ice caps actually getting bigger

>>1036078
It declares the difference between land/ocean heat. Again, it does not declare mean tempature and it appears to very conviently ignore land tempatures or, for that matter, global and/or atomospheric tempatures.

Hey everybody disagreeing with the OP. Read this:

http://www.newscientist.com/special/living-in-denial

Why would corporations have to lie about global warming?

>my face when I have no reaction pic suitable for this thread in my picture folder

I lol'ed at this thread and how fucking badly the tinhat kids got their asses handed to them. ...and how quickly too.

>>1036084

>he thinks climategate proves anything

Typical troglodyte conservatard/lolbertarian

>>1036122
It proved that scientists are APPARENTLY in the business of misrepresenting data to support a political agenda.

Huh, go fucking figure. A real stretch of the imagination that.

>>1035902
Something disproving science? Like what? Corporate sponsored misinformation studies? Those sure are convenient, huh?

>My face when one study can prove that niggers are inferior, while thousands of studies can't prove GW to the same people

>>1036129

>he actually thinks this

Can't say I'm surprised when it comes to conservatives

>>1035926
>Graph starts at 1998
0/10

>>1036075
>Again, I ask, do you really want me to explain this to you

I would fucking LOVE to hear what you have to say.

>>1036084
Climate-gate is not a major revelation. Professors arguing with on another and lying to get more funding (gasp!)
Happens all the time, does not indicate anything significant. But, if you are looking for a reason to pollute, climate-gate is rather convenient.

>>1036132
Liberal scientists stated that the Human Genome Project proved there was no genetic distinction between races, and yet other scientists are coming up with proof that race can be tested with a DNA test. Which is true?

>>1036084
If you've been in something this long you might as well ride it out to the end.

>>1036148
Why don't you look at the peer review processes for the two studies and tell me which one you think is more credible.

>>1036138
You are young. You, too, will grow up. I'm not the one to break your absolute faith in your infallible flying spaghetti monster.

>>1035976
Oh yeah! I forgot that Koreans were afraid of fans. They actually think it will suck the oxygen or some shit out of the room.

http://asianfanatics.net/forum/topic/410803-koreans-afraid-to-sleep-with-electric-fan-on/?s=4dafccf9
0e8e5b26b50578c0785669a7

ITT: Radio hosts, politicians, and some non-related professionals > Scientists in their field of study.

>>1036140
No. Just no. It's apparent that there is no rational reasoning with you. On the off chance you actually are pertending to learn instead of blindly defending a faith, I'll guide your search:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/spht.html

>That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.
>That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.
>That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.
>That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.
>That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.
>That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.
>That states nothing about mean tempatures. It only declares tempature anomalies.

>only
>anomalies

YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON

>>1036148
My response is that you don't know how to comprehend science articles. I'm sorry, you're retarded.

>>1036174
Holy shit that .gif is fucked up.

>>1036182
you only refuse to do it because your worldview is an undefendable piece of shit

>>1036175
I know, right? I don't know why radio hosts and politically motivated profesionals are still arguing that global warming still exists when science has already proved them wrong.

I guess it takes all kinds, huh?

>>1036186
I agreed at first, but the more I watch it, the more I want a snapping turtle.

>>1036188
UMAD?

>>1036183
Oh, he mad bro.

I like how everyone saying Global Warming is false has not shown any actual counter-evidence to the ton of evidence the OP posted. Stay classy dipshits.

>>1036196
That mouse was still swilling despite being bitten in half...

>>1036210
You must be blind. Or just a faggot.

>>1035926
>>1035951
>>1035962
>>1035985
>>1036000
>>1036016

>>1036213
Yeah, that doesn't make me want a mouse though.

>>1036221
I said ACTUAL. Not a bunch of graphs saying it is 1 degree cooler than it was in 2000. We didn't develop industry in the fucking 1980's people.

>>1036210
Troll. No one is this stupid.

>>1036221
>Post a bunch of graphs starting after 1998
>THE WORLD IS COOLING.

>>1036239
You must be blind. Or just a faggot.

>>1035985
>>1036016

>>1036250
You must be blind. Or just a faggot.

>>1035985
>>1036016

And your reasoning is bad to begin with.

"The world's cooling over the last 11 years."
"NO ITS NOT ITS WARMING"
"...but the world's obviously cooling for the last 11 years."
"YEAH BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT WARMING"
"IT.. HAS... BEEN... COOLING... IT... IS... COOLING... RIGHT... NOW..."
"HERP A DERP"

OMG the world is warming and its all mans fault!

The world is warming, it just happens to be at one of the historical low points.

brb buying carbon credits, because this really isn't about realigning the worlds economy.

>>1036268
Here you go.
>>1035982
>>1036001

>>1036268
Be fucking logical. The Earth has been warming for 200 years. Why? Well that happens to coincide with our industrial development. We go through natural cycles of heating and cooling, but a ten year period of slight cooling doesn't defeat the entire trend. "OH HAI GUYZ ALL DAT WARMING STOPPED FOR A SECOND, I GUESS ALL THAT OTHER WARMING CAN JUST BE IGNORED NOW!"

>>1036251

HOW TO SPOT A DISINGENUOUS FAGGOT:

1. He posts graphs of temperature anomalies of recent years (with the hottest year on record as a starting point), claiming it proves AGW wrong.
2. He ignores graphs of temperature anomalies of longer time periods which show that there is a warming trend with multi-year running averages because they are "just graphs of anomalies"
>>1036001
>>1035982
3. Calls opponents stupid + "do you really want me to explain it to you"
>>1036075
4. "Yes, explain your shit"
>>1036140
5. NO I REFUSE TO, THERES NO RATIONAL REASONING WITH YOU
>>1036182

Makes me fucking rage how retarded this person is.

>>1036279
Fuck. I burnt my yard clippings last year! The SAGW mandated program says I owe 400 carbon credits (of course payable by check, credit card, or money order) plus interest!

I can't stop by the exhange center right now, mind if I buy some off of you?

>>1036302
Holy shit, calm down bro. He's right, your wrong. Hell. He even said you would react this way to begin with. Just calm down.

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>>1036306

sure. I could use the money and I really don't use much myself.

ITT: fucking climate change how do they work?


my answer: pure motherfuckin' magic lol

>>1036302
Nice. inb4 they say you waste your time or something

>>1036302
Stay classy, religionfag.

>>1036313
What makes you so sure he is angry? Typing in all caps on the computer doesn't require you to be angry. Is everyone this dumb?

Global warming is real but you have to be naive to think that politicians aren't using it as an excuse to push through all sorts of stupid legislation. We should instead move towards repealing bans on nuclear power, it is safe as long as you don't have shitty Chernobyl grade reactors.

>>1035874
this thread should have ended right here.
People that see science as an instrument to show other people that they are right, instead of listening to science to find out what is right can not be argued with.

two things

1. The medieval warming period, look it up.

2. H2O is more of a greenhouse gas than CO2, it can hold almost 8 times the heat capacity of CO2

>>1035902 Do you REALLY want me to dig up cold hard facts that disprove science
>facts that disprove science

You don't really "get" science, do you?

>>1036322
he had good points contradicting you AND an ad hominem
you have nothing at all

>it can hold almost 8 times the heat capacity of CO2
you obviously have no fucking idea what you are talking about

>>1036338
>2. H2O is more of a greenhouse gas than CO2, it can hold almost 8 times the heat capacity of CO2

Yes we know how clouds work. That's not the point. Clouds are natural. CO2 produced by humans isn't.

>>1036302
Something makes me think you really need to learn how anomalies are defined by the scientific community.

Something is also making me think you never bothered to learn anything about the subject and are just reacting irrationally because it offends your sensibilities.

You really want to know? YOU REALLY WANT TO FUCKING KNOW? I GAVE YOU A LINK. I WILL TYPE IT IN ALL CAPS AND EDIT COPY PASTE IT FOR YOU. I WILL EVEN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IF YOU CAN REFRAIN FROM SOUNDING LIKE A BUTT HURT HIGH SCHOOL KID.

>>1036338 1. The medieval warming period, look it up.

Wasn't a global trend (it was only hotter in parts of Europe), look it up.

>>1036338 2. H2O is more of a greenhouse gas than CO2, it can hold almost 8 times the heat capacity of CO2

There's this magical process called "rain" that takes H2O out of the atmosphere. Crazy, I know.

>>1036221
>>1036251
>>1036289


Fucking moron. The chart you constantly link over and over again PROVES YOU FUCKING WRONG. Pic explains it.

Glenn Beck should stop pushing that silly gold stuff.
Carbon credits are the way go.

>>1036174
fuck

FUCK
FUCK
FUCK

FUCK THAT FUCKING TURTLE.

>>1036331
Thank you. I mean, it was already proven many times over that global warming is a myth by scientific evidence and observation.

Why do you think these people keep prolonging a delusion? Self gratification?

>>1036375
>REFRAIN FROM SOUNDING LIKE A BUTT HURT HIGH SCHOOL KID.

said by a butthurt highschooler? i loled.

>>1036338
CO2 works on our atmosphere.
H2O doesn't do that much damage on our atmosphere.

atmosphere = climate

just look at mars. no atmosphere = no rain, no cloud

humans are disrupting the balance. they don't care if the atmosphere changes.

>>1036401
well, what kind of people do you belong too?
did you think the first time you heard about global warming "well, that's bullshit" and then looked up all the scientific evidence you could find against it? or did you first look at all the evidence, and then formed an opinion?

>>1036359
But that doesn't change the fact that there is much-much more H2O being released to the atmosphere.

>>1036353
Actually, even if he doesn't, he's right

>>1036424

yes, its all man's fault.

>>1036268
>And your reasoning is bad to begin with.

>"The world's cooling over the last 11 years."
>"NO ITS NOT ITS WARMING"
>"...but the world's obviously cooling for the last 11 years."
>"YEAH BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT WARMING"
>"IT.. HAS... BEEN... COOLING... IT... IS... COOLING... RIGHT... NOW..."
>"HERP A DERP"

see pic

too bad you're willfully ignorant.

>>1036434
no water can not "hold almost 8 times the heat capacity of CO2"
That's horrendously wrong. Water absorbs more infrared radiation than CO2. That's a very, very different thing.
But i guess i'm asking too much, if i expect you know even the most basic assumptions of climate science, or have any idea about right scientific terminology

>My face when people pretend they know anything about global warming.
>My face when ALL major scientific organizations on Earth promote global warming as true.
>My face when this man warned us about global warming two decades before Al Gore.

climate change is a hoax because my pastor told me it is

Hey deniers


How the fuck does water vapor being more of a greenhouse gas disprove climate change? CO2 is still a greenhouse gas, we're still emitting C02, the earth is still warming.

How the fuck is it relevant EXCEPT as a tactic to confuse the retarded into siding with big industry?

>>1036486

>My face when you realized the Earth is cooler now than 1000 years ago.

Hey deniers

How the fuck are the graphs that one guy posted relevant to disproving global warming? They show that there has been a very slight negative trend in the last ten years, but almost ALL of those years were in the TOP TEN HOTTEST YEARS ON RECORD.

So how the fuck is it relevant EXCEPT as a tactic to confuse idiots into siding with big industry?