What you learned is what everyone else learned, and is true for the most part.

Everything you were taught is correct though.

In retrospect, I didn't learn a thing in school here in Los Angeles. Most people here wind up learning everything again when they go to community college.

But that has more to do with the idiots I went to school with, not the quality of the school itself.

>>1034764
I realized that I might need to clear up what I'm exactly looking for here.

I sit here and watch public vs private school debates and the whole texas shitstorm and I'm just wondering if schools are really LIBRUL INDOCTINATION CENTERS FOR THE GUBBERMINT as the hype claims

>>1034776
OP here
really? I'm down here in San Diego and I just thought the schooling was pretty good, I dunno what is taught there in LA

>>1034787
Here's what you need to know about American national politics: everything is blown way out of proportion. This Texas thing isn't going to change a damn thing. The main issue with the public/private school debate isn't what kids are learning, but how well they're learning it.

>>1034797
Probably the same as is there. I mean, in 2nd grade I was already learning evolution. It's just the people that go to the school that brings it down, and that's why private is always better IMO. It wasn't uncommon to see 21 year old gang bangers still occupying seats in class.

>>1034817
if anything I think it just proves that you want a good community(probably majority white)

>>1034840
I don't know about that, a good community to me is a non violent community, doesn't matter what race the neighbor is (inb4 implying peaceful community is possible with minorities).

i went to school in massachusetts and i was taught all this shit, with huge emphasis on free enterprise, all the way back to 4th fucking grade. huge on the enlightenment too, without a ppep of jefferson. all european dudes.

>>1034787
they're not. that's college.

>founders wanted separation of church and state
I was taught that it was expressed and implied but not in the Constitution.
>it was called the triangle trade not just the slave trade
Never heard of the "triangle trade" until recently, but I was taught that it was mostly the fault of the greedy Dutch.
>excessive taxation is not healthy for a economy
I only heard that because President Reagan and his supporters preached it, my teachers said it was "ignorant trickle-down economics" or "naive Reaganomics"

>>1034889
Without going into trickle-down economics (which is a retarded idea), if your teachers didn't think that excessive taxation led to slower economic growth, they're retarded.

Almost nothing you learn in your younger years is true. Everything is dumbed down and simplified so you can understand it. Even basic mathematics.

>>1034902


It's true! It took me until community college that 1+1= DESTROY ISRAEL AND THEIR LIBERAL SCUM SUPPORTERS

>>1034889
1: true, but it was in discussion of the founders NOT the constitution

2:
>Never heard of the "triangle trade" until recently, but I was taught that it was mostly the fault of the greedy Dutch.

I agree in part but I think equal blame falls upon those who agreed to sell the slaves in the first place

>>1034902
that's the point of a education, to be able to synthesis information to such a easy to understand form that you can teach a pupil with it. Clearly not everyone is a great teacher and sometimes the subject itself is too goddamn complex to break it down to '2+2 = 4'

but hey it more of a subjective experience

Every thing for the most part in schools is taught the same.

EVERYTHING LEARNED IS DIFFERENT.

c wut i did thar

Our Education system is at best laughable and at worst just plain failing the people participating.

All you have to do is look at the numbers, we're one of the lowest when it comes to Math and Science in developed nations. Textbooks are expensive and most are extremely outdated, hell I remember going to high school and using books from 10+ years ago. Not to mention that the information that gets filled in the texts is monopolized by a small group of extremely religious people from Texas (Colbert has been talking about it quite a bit recently).

On top of that the amount we pay the teachers is almost criminal and the amount of education that THEY need in order to teach is extremely low unless you want to teach higher grade Mathematics and Science. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say they didn't know what they wanted to do for a career but will probably end up teaching because it's "easy".

Certain policies that have been enacted recently, such as the "No Child Left Behind" act under G.W. Bush Junior did nothing but literally leave children behind who are simply not being taught effectively (yes, I'm sure there are just some lazy stupid kids in the mix as well, but not all of them).

It's really hard not to look around the United States and see an area in our public (and hell, even Private) sectors that doesn't need immediate and drastic reform. It won't happen though and that's why we're doomed.

>>1035036
>All you have to do is look at the numbers, we're one of the lowest when it comes to Math and Science in developed nations.

This is due to our immigrants. Niggers and Mexicans dumb down education, and you know it.

>>1035051
I'd put the blame on poverty, not the skin tone.

>America is super under taxed that's why we're fucked now
1940s when our country became AMERICA... FUCK YEAH! our top marginal rate was high.

>>1035058
The education is still available to them, poverty is no reason to act like a retarded violent gorilla.

>>1035058

South Korea's GDP per capita is like half that of the USA, yet its math scores are among the world's best.

>>1035066
Ah yes, because having to drop out of school to work full time or go gang banging is such a bad problem in the suburbs and rich areas.

>>1035036

To be fair, most of the stuff in textbooks isn't new. There's nothing wrong with using old textbooks other than it's tacky.

>>1035076

No, poor blacks don't work either.

>>1035067
Your point? All that proves is just how sad our education system really is when we have so much more money to throw at it yet get incredibly shitty results.

>>1035036
while you do raise very valid points I'd like to say our university system seems to be very solid

>>1035076
>thinks nigger and Mexican children actually work

wow

>>1035089
Except that Government subsidies to get more people into higher education facilities cause tuition to go up quite a bit every year.

>>1035088
Lol, no, it proves the education system is fine, the problem is the retards who fill the schools.

>>1035088
more money =/= automatically higher grades

while you probably heard of how much cash washington tosses on kids let me point this out

60% of new school funds are sent to admin

>>1035088

The problem is that kids don't want to study and parents let them. Schools and teachers have no power and generally are forced to bow down to the will of mothers.

>>1035095
I suppose that is true, I want to ask which subsidies do you think are the most unneeded?

>>1035110
Corn, honestly but that's another matter entirely.

>>1035088
>>1035096
>>1035101
>>1035105
That's why we're doomed. Educators can't agree among themselves what needs to change and how to change it. Parents and student don't agree with educators. America is full of individuals, without a common culture, education is the only thing we have to do collectively (other than voting).

Do you go to UCSD, op? There's a good chance i know you :3

Yep most suck in general, and if you live in the inner city it only gets worse.


take it from this man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeP-krUrdU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg4fxUpRzj8

>>1034787

Upon traveling abroad, I visited quite a few war museums, and it really struck me just how different the narrative goes depending on who you ask. I was very much struck that the history I was taught was as much tinted as the museums I visited.

Did your American history lessons always seem to run put of time just before you were about to cover the Viet Nam War, with the teacher apologizing profusely (after the 4th or 5th time, you really start to wonder).

Have you read anything about the American Civil War and compared it to what you were taught (or what is commonly regurgitated by most anyone). Did you know Robert E Lee never owned slaves and was against the institution of slavery?

I'm pretty damn certain a good portion of school is indoctrination.

But what really bugs me is taking college level courses and seeing misinformation presented by people who really should know better.

If/when I ever have kids, they are going to be home-schooled.

>>1035051

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.04/robot.html

Keep telling yourself that.

>>1035289
op here

actually yes

>>1035140
sorry anon, I only have a contract to go there but I haven't finalized it yet

>>1035289
Homeschooling is one of the worst things you can do to a kid.

>>1035318

Prove it, troll

>>1035319
Knew a couple of home schooled kids.

Their parents were retarded christfags who only did it to keep them sheltered.

>>1035318

ehh, depends on the parents, my Mom is a professor, she says homeschoolers are either way above average or way below average, u dont get much of a median

>>1035289
>Did you know Robert E Lee never owned slaves and was against the institution of slavery?

[citation needed]

>>1035318

Every person I've met whom I would describe as exceptionally intelligent has had one thing in common: they were home-schooled.

I wonder where you received your opinions on home-schooling?

>>1035326

Let me guess, they never went to college or got married right? They sit in their mom's basement and play WoW all day?

>>1035342
One's a drug addict.

>>1035338

Well, not quite true, he inherited slaves which he kept for a little while, but he released them all before the civil war though. Personally, he was not a big fan of slavery.

>>1035338

Get a book on Robert E. Lee and read. Educate yourself.

Home schooling is what America was founded on, to prevent children from being indoctrinated. What their parents choose to teach them, well, that's their choice.

>>1035347
Nine times out of ten parents only do it to indoctrinate kids with their own personal brand of bullshit.

Bullshit is bullshit no matter where it's coming from.

I wasn't taught evolution at all.

>>1035344

>One's a drug addict.

GASP

I know at least 40 products of the public system that are hard drug abusers, people who've went to jail for attempted murder, cocaine convictions. The first place I ever tried cocaine and pills was at high school. The first time I tried hash was in jr.high. Some high school girls I know bought at school and smoked me up.

How's the non drug addict kid doing?

>>1035350

>Nine times out of ten parents only do it to indoctrinate kids with their own personal brand of bullshit.

[Citation Needed]

> personal brand of bullshit.

You mean family values, which it is our right to have, right?

>>1035352

>I wasn't taught evolution at all.

It must have taken you YEARS to catch up and fill the gap.

>>1035355
He has zero social skills (he might as well be an aspie).

Anyone who thinks homeschooling is ideal is either a christfag or doesn't know anyone who was.

Don't like the public education system? Enroll them in a private school.

>>1035369

>He has zero social skills (he might as well be an aspie).

I went to high school with people like that, they were called nerds.

You're putting up a very poor causation argument here.

OP here, just adding what I saw

-one side of the family is home-schooled, they don't know what WW2 was

-catholic school, mostly chill, gay uniforms

-my(public), range of kids from failure to those going to ucla, berkely, chichago

>>1035378
I think the fact that he didn't interact with any children besides his siblings caused that.

You realize the fucking military doesn't even like to take homeschoolers? Good luck getting them into an acceptable college.

>>1035387

"And Fitzsimmons says that, on the whole, homeschooling is an educational asset that Harvard considers favorably when making its admissions decisions. "One often sees a self-reliance and independence, as well as intellectual curiosity in people with unusual educational experiences," Fitzsimmons says. Homeschooled students, he says, "do just as well as most all students who come here do."

I smell bullshit.

>>1035399
Fine, do whatever you want with your kids.

Odds are your children will hate your guts for it once they realize how fucked over they were.

>>1035399
except harvard as a special program designed form the get-go specifically for home school kids

so really its just harvard but not going to harvard and your mom is your professor

>>1035401

http://hackvan.com/etext/9-assumptions-of-modern-schooling.html

You are like a Pavlov dog.

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>>1035051
Incorrect. These tests are nationwide and they often pick the "good" kids to do them, aka non-whites.

There was a huge segment on YouTube where a journalist rips down public education and teach unions. It was like 20 minutes or something.

>>1035418
So, how many home schoolers do you know? I didn't think so.

Of course websites dedicated to homeschooling are going to talk about how awesome it is.

Most of those parents are just control freaks who want to make sure their kid grows up to be mini me's.

lol, homeschooled kids. The people I know who homeschool their kids didnt pass highschool. I dont know anybody who was homeschooled themselves, because they dont leave their parents house.

I was home schooled, and I hate my parents for it a lot. My mother only gave me a math and reading homeschooling book growing up each year, and I neglected doing them and turned the work in by getting the answers in the back. From 3rd grade and up I basically did NOTHING but play video games and surf the internet. I'm 21 now and in community college with an okay GPA of 3.5 my intelligence isn't the problem. I only have 3 friends (not including the internet) and get insanely depressed every month or so about missing out on EVERYTHING from age 10... till now.. and I've never had a girl friend let alone kissed a girl...

Any parent says they're going to home school their kid in front of you.. please mercy kill the child, you'll be doing them a favor.

>>1034753
>a economy

go back to english class

>founders wanted separation of church and state

why do they keep teaching that? That's some communist shit right there. Here's what the Constitution says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Did they take that one letter of Jeffersons out of context and decide that that is the most important thing to teach?

Yeah, schools really suck.

>>1035501
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Do you not know what that means? Educate your self dumb fuck.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/estabinto.htm

Broad generalizations.

>>1035603

yeah it means no state favoritism of any one religion and no prohibiting practicing religion
simple

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>>1034889
>greedy Dutch
>implying the Americans weren't as bad, if not worse.

lulporn.com

>632617

>>1035734
>greedy Dutch.

This whole fucking thread, that's all you took from it!

But, yeah, they actually taught us that evil Europeans gave us the "culture of slavery" as a business model.

Man, some folks had some nutty teachers.

In my school, we were taught freedom of religion means you can be whatever religion you want without getting boned for it.

I went to a private Lutheran school and they didn't even try to teach me some crazy bullshit.

The Pledge of allegiance should be made a law.
Pluto is a planet. Thats what I was taught in school, thats what my father was taught in school, thats what my grandfather was taught in school. Thats fact.

>>1035445


As opposed to what's coming from Texas, right?

You really thought this clever plan through.

PROTIP: US public education has nothing to do with education. It has everything to do with makeing all the students think and act the same way, and to respect authority.

>>1035603
to keep the government out of the church, not the other way around. Church of England anyone?

>>1035918

http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html

It is surprising to me though how vehemently some folks are against home-schooling.

It's not your kid, so why should it concern you? There are enough horror stories about public schools that I doubt the worst of home-schoolers could produce even more wanting results.

But those against seem real big on that ideological conformity.

>>1035969
i heard its illegal to homeschool in england. Any britfags want to confirm or deny? Any eurofags wanna weigh in on their countries status on homeschooling?

homeschooling is silly, what we need are lots of small local schools, like in double-wide trailers. within walking distance of the child's home. and there should be all sorts of schools that specialize in all sorts of things, music, math, science, etc.

>>1036095

oh yeah all private too.

>>1035980

http://www.home-schooling-uk.com/

According to this hoeschooling is OK in the UK, but not in Germany.

Modern Colleges are institutions of liberal indoctrination. The only colleges worth going to are the Ivy Leagues.

>>1036169
do people really believe this shit still? i thought we were smart enough to see beyond that by now.

>>1036169
I was accepted into brown. But having gone there in the summer of 10th and 11th grade, i knew that going to a college filled to the brim with feminazi's and general libtard faggotry would make me shoot myself. So i chose a much nerdier college( which is a plus for me)


Now i regret it, not because its brown, its still a libtard humanist shithole, just that Emma watson attends brown.

>>1036240
>Implying you would have had a chance to hit that anyways.

>>1036257
> implying i didnt know that in the first place, its just that she'd be amazing to look at

But then again, i went to the british shithole version of 4chan (britfa.gs) and the consensus was that she was attractive, but in a very boring, uppity manner.

most people live in cities and most cities give a liberal education, you can not deny this.

>>1036267

Lol, fail. 11th grader here, and i went there in march during spring break, and managed to get an autograph. But i'll agree, once you get up close she isn't attractive as everyone thinks, ok, she is, but in a very reserved, conservative way.

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In grammar school (1-4), the curricula used "A Beka Book" texts.

In junior high (5-8), the Catholic school I went to used NYC BoE-approved textbooks.

In HS, the Catholic school I attended used standard textbooks for subjects... unless it was religion.

At university, the textbooks for everything outside math & hard sciences were liberal indoctrination instruments.

Take a guess how I turned out...

>>1036368

samefagging... I'll also include this, website related

>http://www.abeka.com/

lulporn.com

>986659

Has anyone ever heard of Bob Jones University?

Go to link here, and prepare to shit your pants...

>http://www.bju.edu

>>1036368
i went to one of the most conservative, christian colleges in america. the word liberal was like a curse word. we had to take a mandatory campus chapel attendance and religion class to graduate. 90%+ of the student body was uberconservative, small town christians. and those who weren't were frowned upon. being gay wasn't tollerated and there were rules against seme sex couples being together on campus. needless to say there weren't any gays, or liberals. we did rediculiously well academically. in the top 15 nationwide for engineering and the endownment of the college is like 900 million dollars or something.

it was awesome.