jews overhype it, deniers are fucking retarded and make the jews look even better :|

Its real, and obviously estimated on the high end of how many died.

Most of the shit around the holocaust deniers is sympathy for the Nazis being persecuted tbh. That or they hate jews in general because the fuhrer did so theyll argue whatever it takes

I never understood it. If they hate the Jews, wouldn't they be happy that so many of them were killed?

they're nearly as bad as Jewish Settlers

I like the theory that Hitler was merely trying to eliminate the false Jews, the ones not genetically descended from the Hebrews.

>>1034688
Well you should watch the David Cole documentary, if you haven't already,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM

He's a Jew and a revisionist (or at least was). His criticisms of Auschwitz seem valid.

I don't see why you would want to DENY the Holocaust.

Neonazis should be PROUD of killing all those kikes, but I think that doesn't play into their victim mentality, so they deny it. Neonazis specifically aren't much better than niggers, fucking whiny cunts.

>>1034698

No id rather not watch a non scientific non peer reviewed youtube video. Ill just go visit Auschwitz myself.

I believe the Holocaust figures were accurate. The ONLY thing that makes me question it in terms of exaggeration are world Jewish census records. If over six million Jews were exterminated during the Final Solution then the world Jewish census figures are way fucking off. Or possibly Jewish loss in the Holocaust was heavily embellished?

>>1034689
neonazis arent particularly intelligent.

>>1034700
I don't think it's so much about denial, as it is just questioning certain things people hold to be true about it. Such as gas chambers.

Though I'm sure there are some "hurr durpp i'ma white dragon guize" people out there who do deny it in it's entirety.

>>1034708

Or it was the 30s and 40s so who knows how accurate their count was as far as victims and actual population.

>>1034706
That video was from the '90s...

MANY more slavs were killed, and numerous other peoples, by Stalin. So why don't you ever hear that being talked about constantly.

>>1034721

Because neo nazis arent denying stalin deaths only the jews deaths. Why? Nazi sympathy.

>>1034721
Because the leftists don't like the fact that the ideology theirs is based on is responsible for more dead people than Nazism.

The fact that it's a crime to question to holocaust tells you everything you need to know about it.

>>1034782
Reading stories of the JDL, shit kinda scares me TBH.

SIX MILLION AND NOT ONE LESS

that's my opinion, interpret it however you want :)

It really doesn't get more delusional then holocaust denial.

I do have a bone to pick with the media's obsession with it though.

Hardly anyone in America talks about Japanese war crimes when they did some of the exact same shit.

>>1035356
>It really doesn't get more delusional then holocaust denial.

Thread isn't about holocaust denial, but revisionists. Revisionists, aren't denying the holocaust, but aspects of it like gas chambers.

It's because of the Jewish media pushing the statistic "6 Million Jews" constantly. Anyone who says otherwise is branded a heretic of sorts and is disregarded.

Nobody ever talks about the various gays and other minorities that were killed. I think we need more movies about that.

>>1034721
Doesn't the right-wing media constantly spout that when any measure slightly left-leaning gets introduced?

>>1035385
The persecution of gays is basically a myth.

The Nazi party was full of gays (including Hitler himself).

>>1034721
and even more died during the Great Leap forwards

>>1035389
>including Hitler himself

citation needed

>>1035389
not all prominent right wingers are repressed homosexuals

>>1035392
>Listed as homosexual in police records
>Early Nazi party meetings were held in gay bars
>All sexual encounters with females were violent.

>>1035397
As if there were gay bars in the early 1900s.

>>1034677

IMO the holocaust is fake, probably 10,000 jews died for different reasons, but the facts remain, no that immense quantity of corpses found, when found, no cyanide tracing, a polemic cyanide tracing over the building that was supposed to be the gas chamber.

Since they were cremated, there should be a immense quantity of ashes , contaminated with cyanide , with a immense ecologic ..nothing found really.

I don't believe in the holocaust, i'm not nazi or whatever shit some guys would like to label me, but there is no evidence for it, and i think all this media campaign over the holocaust is to keep it alive..since there are no proofs

>>1035406

I lol'd

>>1035409

*ecologic impact

>>1035409
There is plenty of evidence that the Holocaust existed, you just dont want to believe it did.

You can argue that the #s of dead are exaggerated a bit, but you can not deny that it was real.

I don't deny the holocaust happened but to say that 6 million jews died is a complete lie. There weren't even that many jews alive at the time. Look at the Jewish population now, its not even 12 million. A lot of the confessions were also bullied out of defeated german officers. That's their proof? Gimme a break.

>>1035419
Not scientific one, these are papers and more papers

It was not real..is just my opinions based on the archeologial evidence

>>1035423
Like i said 6million jews is too high of a #, but how do you explain the video evidence of death camps?

>>1035427
lol

The Holocaust was real, but it doesn't deserve more attention than the other horrific events of the 20th Century, and using the "holocaust card" to win arguments is the most hypocritical shit one could pull.

>>1035409
>no cyanide tracing, a polemic cyanide tracing over the building that was supposed to be the gas chamber.

That's what makes me question it, and it seems to be the most valid point brought by revisionists. I'm not sure if my viewpoint is as extreme as yours, but I am starting to believe it's been greatly exaggerated. A tragedy for sure, but exaggerated nonetheless.

*archaeological

>>1035433

The cyanide tracing is actually the less important issue, the real issue is that no body, no human corpse was found with cyanide

>>1035439
Surely cyanide doesn't stay in a decomposing body for long

Cyanide tracing is ANTISEMITIC

>>1035441

it does
CN- is highly toxic for a lot of organisms

>>1035441

For 5,10,20 years? the holocaust investigation did start in 1945, no single scientific evidence since then, just a bunch of registries, and old papers.

All the pictures of dead people you see about it, all these bodies ...no one with cyanide

I don't think it's overblown, and holocaust deniers seem to have serious problems understanding facts, and should be treated like people who have those kinds of problems... Also, eugenics and the potential for genocides, and not just against Jews, is alive and well and operating in today's world, so it'd be prudent to keep an eye out for it.

What i try to mean is that is a political fighting, nobody wants to know the true, nazis or jews..

All them with retarded arguments fighting over papers, testimonies and shit, the nazis denying some stupid old tales, the jews making us cry with their testimonies.

But no one wants to show us a scientific evidence, the cyanide polemic did start when some nazis were trolling over that shit, only THEN some people realized that cyanide measuring were too low...with the jews crying fool.

>>1035456
Hydrogen Cyanide has a half life of 40 mins in human blood.

>>1035507

Not in bones

Theres no real evidence that the holocaust happened. The pictures are people who died of typhoid and other diseases. There wasn't more than 20,000 deaths. But there is NO FUCKING WAY that 6 million died, even today the jewish population in germany is only 120,000 people.

You can try telling people the facts but they just won't listen.

>>1035507

Cyanide is absorbed by all the body, not only blood.

There is always a counter argument, pro-holocaust people are very well prepared, yes, i think is basically a political fabrication, that does have it supporters.

There are forensic methods to detect cyanide-, there are very advance ones, why there is no report of such thing?, no cyanide is not untrackable, modern and even 40's forensic did have it methods to recognize it for civil murdering.

The six million myth is from Judaism. Part of their beliefs is that six million Jews die as a necessary precursor to them retaking Israel.

The Jews tried to trot out their holocaust lies after WW1 but nobody took them seriously. They tried it again after WW2 using provably false Soviet propaganda like the "human soap" lies and the fake "homicidal gas chambers", along with emotional pictures of corpses of prisoners who died from starvation or disease (and clearly not homicidal gassings).

>>1035527

lol troll

>>1035559
And incredibly enough, the six million number was revealed to the world before it had even supposedly happened. Are Jews master psychics with mystical foretelling powers? Or are they just liars?

>An article in February 1943 first brought the holocaust story to mainstream America. The article also mentioned six million--an uncanny number to throw out since the supposed fact hadn't happened yet.

http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/one_third_of_the_holocaust.html

>>1034721

Because they're not Jews.

also, slavs are the niggers of europe.

>>1035571
>>1035559

I can understand the frustration of some people over this issue, i hope you are not a stinky filthy nazi.

Is because people like you nobody want to do a serious research over this issue

Germar Rudolf, a Chemist wrote an excellent and very scholarly paper called The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the "Gas Chambers" of Auschwitz

He is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany for "holocaust denial".

To date I haven't seen any scientific rebuttal of his papers. A fellow named Richard Green wrote a rebuttal, but he relied on personal attacks and really just came off looking like an idiot from their exchange. Germar was a gentleman and had very solid responses to all criticisms.

Now you can dismiss me as a Nazi hater or something, but I feel that today the Holocaust is very similar to a modern religion. Nonbelievers are attacked and persecuted, absolute unquestioning faith is demanded of everyone, and all criticisms or arguments no matter how factual or polite they are are dismissed without consideration as "hate" (as "heresy" is to traditional religions).

It's probably overblown a little bit(A lot less than most revisionist make it out to be). But trying to change it is insulting to the people that suffered because of it. Just not worth it, there's better stuff you can do with your time. Instead of trolling people with scarred pasts, do something else. I'm sure you can find something, being a genius researcher and all.

I take the gypsies were in cahoots with the Jews?

>>1035621

>But trying to change it is insulting to the people that suffered because

Yes some people did suffer, yes war is not nice

But the holocaust is a fabrication, in my eyes.

All this has nothing to do with having 'respect', you are taking this to that level, because you really think it did happen, again without any real evidence.

For you is important to have 'respect', because basically you have fallen in all this media campaign

>>1035645
There's a lot of evidence supporting the fact that a lot of Jews died and that they were persecuted. Genocide did happen, one way or another.

>>1035657

Well, for you that's evidence, for me are just papers

You are not considering the scientific quality of that 'evidence'

>>1035419
>There is plenty of evidence that the Holocaust existed, you just dont want to believe it did.

See here is a good example of how the holocaust is a religion. It's followers just have faith. They SAY there is tonnes of evidence to support their beliefs but when prompted to produce evidence can never turn up anything but emotional photographs of a few dozen bodies who have died a very slow death from starvation and disease. They rely entirely on the holy word of people who they perceive to be authorities on the Holocaust (governments, holocaust museums, Israel, Jewish people), just like any religion blindly looks up to their priests and pope because they carry the word of God.

#1. If we accept that tortured confessions and "eyewitness" accounts are reliable sources we must also accept that alien abductions and witchcraft are both real undeniable historical facts.

#2. If we accept that emotional photos are proof of any heinous accusation against the people responsible for that scene, no matter how ridiculous or provably false, we must also accept that six million Boers were exterminated in gas chambers by Britain during the Boer War. Pic related.

#3. The forensic and statistical evidence has consistently proven official holocaust tales false. The count of deaths at Auschwitz was revised downwards after it was shown to be mathematically impossible. The "human soap" was grudgingly accepted to be false after desperately testing samples for traces of human DNA. The "homicidal gas chambers" can be shown to be false through forensic analysis, but that is being very harshly suppressed through prison sentences for thought crimes.

>>1035657
WHERES THE PROOF? We're told over and over again it happened, but there's very little concrete evidence to say millions of people died. It was probably just a few thousands. Many more civilians died. There were probably no more than 20-30 thousand jews in germany at the time of the holocaust. Its fuckin bullshit man.

>>1035663
Lots of first-hand eyewitnesses, too, along with the papers. Lots of people who had their parents killed/taken away never to be seen again before their eyes and lived to tell about it.

Holocaust believers often say there are "mountains of evidence" supporting the holocaust.

In reality the holocaust was only mentioned for a half an hour during the Nuremberg trial, and what was brought up has been mostly debunked as Soviet propagandistic lies. Claimed human soap and a recipe for it was even presented at the trial by the Soviets. According to the trial it is official fact, but science proved it wrong.

Who the fuck cares about jews? alot of actual people died in during that period

>>1035676
Show me evidence that less than 6 million jews were ever under the Nazi Sphere of Influence.

>>1035678
Lots of people have witnessed alien abductions.

The Holocaust happened, its victims were Jews, Poles, Slovenes and gypsies.

I'm sure Holocaust researchers have provided ample evidence regarding the number of victims, since Europe had a very effective census system in 1939. The people claiming there weren't more than 20,000 victims are clearly unable to process the realities of wartime, especially that of World War II.

All in all, I agree with the rough estimate of 8 million detainee victims regardless of ethnicity and manner of death that is accepted in the mainstream.

>>1035690
Yes tons of people fake stories about their parents death to support some massive conspiracy every day.

lulporn.com

>366754

>>1035703

But are tales, for you what does stand for 'evidence'

Testimonies are not evidence, no matter how hard are crying, or how bad they make us feel.

>>1035692
>I'm sure Holocaust researchers have provided ample evidence

Do you really lack the introspection to see how your beliefs are very characteristic of religion? You are absolutely 100% sure of something but you cannot provide any actual source or evidence, you just have faith it must exist somewhere.

This is what you get from education systems which teach conclusions.

In an ideal world education systems should teach:

What factual evidence exists, how to tell when you've got representative/unbiased/the totality of evidence. How to analyse evidence, rather than just teach a conclusion.

Then we wont have shit like this. Google "systematic review" some time.

lulporn.com

>477385

>Do you really lack the introspection to see how your beliefs are very characteristic of religion? You are absolutely 100% sure of something but you cannot provide any actual source or evidence, you just have faith it must exist somewhere

Call something you disagree with religion even though you dont provide any "facts" for your side at all.

>>1035719

Mass graves were fabrications as well then?

>>1035755

Because the facts should be provided from the other side...

But there are not facts

>>1035703
This was in the days before the internet. Lots of people were separated from their families and never saw them again. It is hard to make contact with someone when you do not know where in the world they could be.

They are assuming their family members are dead because they got caught up in Soviet wartime propaganda, which has consistently been proven fabricated whenever subjected to scientific rigour.

Not everyone who is wrong is a liar, they are just wrong and have incorrect beliefs. Lots of people truly believe they have experienced abductions, seen bigfoot, seen ghosts, been victims of witchcraft, etc. People are stupid and believe lots of stupid things.

Hearsay and testimonials are notoriously wrong. They aren't evidence of anything other than what the person saying them believes.

All of the forensic evidence has wound up proving the wartime propaganda and holocaust rumours wrong. So how can you keep having faith in it? There is no forensic evidence supporting the holocaust at all. No mountains of ashes, no human teeth (which are very hard to destroy), no gas chambers which were exposed to cyanide gas, no human corpses which died from gassing.

Without a murder weapon or victims, where is the crime?

>>1034698
this is making for intresting viewing

The most convincing piece of reasoning for holocaust not happening in the magnitude claimed ive come across were some calculations claiming it'd taken more fuel to cremate millions of people(as in, people dont burn that easily) than was available

>>1035762
There are facts, you just refuse to look for them yourself and call people out when they don't look for facts. Hypocrisy at its best.

>>1035760

Mass graves to control the plague

Nothing new

The problem is that bone research done in these graves concluded that the corpses died by typhus, not by gassing

>>1034677
Depends what you think of the "Holocaust"
There sure were camps with jews and others imprisoned.
But maximum 1.000.000 casualties. Most likely less.

>>1035760
Yes, for the most part.

There are some small "mass graves" at concentration camps, all of which contain corpses which died from typhus and/or starvation, and amounting to thousands, not millions.

>From 28 December 1945 to 4 January 1946, seven servicemen of the German Wehrmacht were tried by a Soviet military court in Leningrad. One of them, Arno Diere, was charged with helping to dig the Katyn graves during the execution. Diere, who was accused of murder using machine-guns in Soviet villages, confessed to having taken part in burial (though not the execution) of 15-20 thousand Polish POWs in Katyn. For this he was spared execution and was given 15 years of hard labor. His confession was full of absurdities, and thus he was not used as a Soviet prosecution witness during the Nuremberg trials. In a note of 29 November 1954 he recanted his confession, claiming that he was forced to confess by the investigators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

>>1034698
There are plenty of intelligent holocaust revisionists. Only they won't be hears because they aren't jew. Because we all know that if you aren't a jew and denie the holocaust you are a anti-semite.
It's sad that you have to be a jew to be heard.

>>1035801
Cole was targeted by JDL and accused of being self hating though, so I don't think a Jew is even allowed to be skeptical towards the holocaust.

we need a new holocaust in my opinion
do in all the muslims
then finish off the jews
then all of the christians please

every other religion can go in after that

>>1035814

One thing is to be a jew and other thing is to be a retarded zionist

Like one thing is to be a christian and other thing is to be a retarded nazi

Who the fuck cares? 6 million, 3 million, 1 million, 100 thousand, it doesn't change the fact that people were persecuted and murdered because of their heritage and religious beliefs. Why work so hard to change it? Why work so hard to insult people who DID suffer?

>>1035836
facts are important brah.

>>1035836
>exact numbers are not important

......the stupid, it burns

>>1035776
>as in, people dont burn that easily

Not according to the official holocaust "eyewitnesses"! Supposedly overweight females burn like kindling, and can be placed on the bottom of a six foot high pile of corpses and all the corpses will disappear on their own with no fuel but a bit up wood at the start to get the fire going.

This can be seen straight from holocaust "history" books, in direct quotes from "eyewitnesses". It's covered 9:00 in to this video.

http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/videos/15_rain_wind_fire_ice.wmv

>>1035837
Important enough to shit all over people whose family disappeared just to further some political agenda.

>>1035846
>still thinks it's all about numbers

it's not just about the amount of people dead, bro.

>>1035850

what political agenda might that be? or are you still under the impression that a revisionist is a holocaust denying neo nazi? you are what stifles critical thinking.

>>1035850
The Holocaust hoax is shitting all over the German civilians who lost their families during the war.

What's important is the truth, not the sensitivities of Jews or people who are slavishly loyal to Jewish interests like yourself.

>>1035836
lol no.

its important to understand this; the Nazi's didn't hate jews for religious beliefs or because they had big noses, they hated them because of what jewish economists did to germany at the end of ww1.

Theodore N. Kaufman, the author of Germany Must Perish, was a Manhattan-born Jewish businessman who was also chairman of a group that called itself the "American Federation for Peace." The first edition of this slim volume was published in 1940 or early 1941. A second, 96-page edition, which sold for 25 cents, was published in 1941 by Argyle Press of Newark, New Jersey. Both editions were issued when the United States was still officially neutral, that is, before the Pearl Harbor attack of December 7, 1941, that brought the U.S. openly into World War II.

Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea."

>>1035865
I've yet to meet one holocaust revisionist that thinks Israel has the right to exist.

Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish businessman who was well connected, had some interesting things to say about the WW2. Basically he says that German outrage against German Jews who sold them out in WW1 and destroyed their nation was completely justifiable.

Has anyone but me ever seen this speech?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQapkVCx1HI

like they should be gassed at Auschwitz

>>1035887
I don't believe in the holocaust at all and I think Israel has a right to exist.

All races have a right to self-determination. Yes, that includes the Palestinians, and also even White people.

Heh heh heh, those stupid goyim believe our 'holocaust' stories... now we'll encourage them to racemix!

>>1035879
>-"A sensational idea!" by Times Magazine
>-"A Provocotave theory--interestingly presented" by Washington Post
>-"A plan for permanent peace among civilized nations!" by New York Times

LOL, JEWS. WHAT A BUNCH OF SICK TWISTED FUCKS.

>>1035850

Is the tale of always

Some corrupted bankers- went into jail, or probably was murdered by a corrupt government

Since the masses don't really care, the bankers sons start calling other persecuted groups to make an united movement aginst racism, facism, anti-semitism, etc...

Not saying the nazis were right, but you should understand how these things works

If the nazis had never touched the 'important' guys, then the 'holocaust' would be as famous as the armenian 'holocaust'

there is a lot of cynicism over it, but very few facts

Lots of the sensible revisionists would be taken more seriously if all the racist retards wouldn't be their main supporters.

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>>1035939

True

I just which it had finished them all off.

>>1035925
There was also another plan to exterminate the Germans called the Hooton Plan.

>General direction is to destroy the German nationalism. The purpose of these actions is, among other things, the birth rate to reduce the German and the immigration and settlement of non-Germans in Germany to encourage men in particular. "

>In a Canadian writing program is the formula No. Germany, therefore no more German wars brought on. The mystery writer Rex Stout appeared above all with his article, we will hate - or we will lose out in the NEW YORK TIMES. The journalist William Shirer S. praised the idea of collective guilt and concluded in an essay with the telling title They are all guilty - punish them (they are all guilty - they are punished).

Jews are a peculiar bunch aren't they?

>>1035998

Jews or zionists you fucking asshole?

>>1035725
>You are absolutely 100% sure of something but you cannot provide any actual source or evidence, you just have faith it must exist somewhere.

If I say that several of my friend's families had members who were taken to destruction camps by train and never returned, does that count as anecdotal evidence? My friend's grandfather, a partisan, was literally pulled of line for the gas chamber because he had previously been a medical intern and was needed elsewhere.

And besides, if there were no gas chambers, how did Anna Frank and her near entire family just disappear in some camp?

>>1036045
>Anna Frank

Anne Frank died of typhus, you dunce.

>>1036045
>>1036045

>ow did Anna Frank and her near entire family just disappear in some camp

Megafacepalm is mega

>>1036060
>On September 3, the group was deported on what would be the last transport from Westerbork to the Auschwitz concentration camp, and arrived after a three-day journey. In the chaos that marked the unloading of the trains, the men were forcibly separated from the women and children, and Otto Frank was wrenched from his family.Of the 1,019 passengers, 549 - including all children younger than fifteen - were sent directly to the gas chambers.

>>1036071

>Hahaha_oh_wow.exe

>>1036071
>the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection.
>the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection.
>the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection.
>the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection.

Cool story, bro. And nice selective quoting.

So we have hundreds of phantom people who were exterminated without a trace (trust us!, just have faith!), which makes this story very harrowing and tragic.

On the other hand the people who we know existed and are actually documented all survived. What a miraculous coincidence. Anne Frank went on to die of typhus, after surviving "extermination" camps which must have been pretty ineffective at exterminating people if they can't even get rid of a defenseless diseased child.

I think it happened, and furthermore I think the jews deserved it. Jews are successful as a group because they collaborate with each other to screw every other group over businesswise. An admirable feat, and not really something to hate them for except that while doing this they accuse everyone else of racism, preventing them from working together like the jews do.

Jews are something like 2-2.5% of the entire US population, but like 50% of the government is jewish. Clearly, something is horribly horribly wrong. We need another one IMHO.

No cyanide gas ever touched the walls of what we are supposed to believe are gas chambers.

I think the worst card that people play when you even talk about it perhaps being exaggerated is the 'ZOMG SO MANY PEOPLE DIED WHAT DOES IT MATTER, WHY ARE YOU SO DISRESPECTFUL?!"

Pardon me but I don't find it disrespectful to want to know the truth, I don't find it disrespectful to want to know if perhaps we're being told lies as if they truth. We can conjecture that maybe Abe Lincoln was fuckin gay because he sometimes slept in the same bed as another dude but god forbid you question the Holocaust even the slightest bit. I just want to know, what's so damn wrong with wanting know what's true and what isn't?

>>1036503
I should note I don't even have a problem with Jews or am really all that interested in Holocaust revisionism, I'm just curious why, out of everything that's questioned in history and how we're always re-examining the way things happened with new evidence, the Holocaust is the one thing that's taboo and untouchable when it comes to taking a closer look at history.