it's president obongo's fault

We need more death penalty states not less. Damn it.

the death penalty is useless. life imprisonment is cheaper and isn't irreversible in the event of a wrongful conviction.

>>1012693

Its only cheaper because of the red tape and bullshit. Everyone knows that it should and could cost only the price of a bullet and the wages of those who fire it. Even less with a lethal injection.

>>1012672
>defying conventional political wisdom
Maybe in the US. Or Iran.

>>1012704
The red tape and bullshit comes from the appeals process. The instant a person is sentenced to death in a US state, it triggers a long appeals process.

Many states seem to be doing fine without it.
If it saves California money, then why not?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty

Considering how many there are that are innocent on death row and are executed with doubts, I support this.

The death penalty is totally wasteful and necessary. Lock the rapists and murderers up for life and let them rot.

Oh, California, I both love you and hate you. First you are getting rid of welfare (love) and now you do something absolutely retarded like this.

>>1012685
no we don't. people are not executed directly after the conviction/sentencing. it's more often than not a 20+ year process (and guess whose footing the bill for their food, room, board & healthcare?).
if anything we need death penalty reform. take a que from china and put a bullet in the back of their heads and charge their families for the bullet

just dump everyone with harder charges into somalia, they want a crime paradise, they can have it.

>>1012742
If the liberals didn't cry so much that we were killing people, the death penalty would be both more effective and cheaper at containing the worst offenders than keeping them in prison is.

>>1012672
>Dems want to scrap death penalty in California
Honestly, I'm OK with this. With all the fuckups in the Court system, the state should never take anything away that it can not return.

yay, keep serial killers and mass murderers alive, fed and clothed for decades with my tax money.

jesus, just kill these assholes. its only expensive at the moment because of the long ass appeals process and all the paperwork that makes it more complicated than it needs to be. just do it like the chinese do.

>find person guilty of murder
>executed 3 weeks later

i hate califalia so much. glad i live in texas. we kill criminals over here more than any other state. we killed 248 criminals between 2000 and 2009. thats over double the amout virginia (second down the list by number of executions) has executed since 1976.

fucking are such pussies.

>>1012854
fucking libshits*

why should we have the death penalty? what does it do? Sitting in a jail cell or in the ground either way they are out of our hair, might as well not have it just to be safe so we dont accidentally kill innocents

It's much easier to kill them before they are born

>>1012854
that's fine plan if you don't mind killing a few people who havent done anything wrong. i for one am against the murder of people

>provide swift and certain justice for victims' families
lol.... we haven't had swift or certain justice for decades.

>>1012960
>i for one am against the murder of people
great! now try and convince criminals to think that way.

>>1012854
>>1012862
>yay, keep serial killers and mass murderers alive, fed and clothed for decades with my tax money.
Just here to let you know that killing serial killers and mass murders costs you more of your tax money.

Have a nice day.

>>1012978
fucking read everything he wrote dumbass, he says we need to execute right after conviction, so that does away with the appeals cost and it becomes cheaper to execute. which is still wronger then fuck

>>1012971
you know killing them won't bring back their victims, right?

One simple, cheap pistol bullet to the back of the head after trial conviction works better.

>>1013005
shitty argument. its called justice

>>1012993
So basically we make our justice system resemble those in dictatorships?

>>1013017
So the only way to get justice is to kill them back? That sounds more like revenge than justice to me.

>>1013019
no, your generalizing and using the word dictatorship to create support for your opinion. but yes he is saying that basically

>>1013026
>implying revenge and justice aren't the same thing

>>1013042
Go read/watch Hamlet.

>>1012721
>>1012704
>>1012693
Prisoners shouldn't have rights, they lost them, you know, when they committed their crimes

Fuck the death penalty and jail/prison

We need more vigilante justice

>>1013069
>implying all of western justice doesn't focus on reform

>>1013069
No. The fact that they committed a crime does not justify the death penalty. It justifies punishment, but not the death penalty.

In addition, why do you all want to make your justice system into a 3rd world ass of a system? Why don't you people realize that America's justice system is the greatest in the world. No point in changing something that is as good as you can get.

imokaywiththis.jpg

>>1013103
Didn't mention anything about the death penalty, just prisoner's rights

>Why don't you people realize that America's justice system is the greatest in the world

Oh yeah, so great when you get more jail time for "hacking" someone's e-mail or when people who download movies and music serve more time than rapists, pedos, and murderers

And then the Dems ask why CA has no money

>>1013103
>Why don't you people realize that America's justice system is the greatest in the world. No point in changing something that is as good as you can get.

>No point in changing something that is as good as you can get

cool, lets keep the death penalty then.

also the punishment should be suitable for the crime. if life in prison is the maximum sentence then you would be giving the same sentence to:

1. a guy that muderers his wife and the guy she is having an affair with when he walks in on them fucking,
2. a guy who kidnapped, raped and killed a bunch of little girls.

you need to differenciate between the 2 crimes. one is so much worse than the other. the second guy should get the death penalty.

>>1013136
And yet again, just because someone commits a crime doesn't mean they lose ALL their rights. That's a police state thing. In a modern democracy, you are justified in taking away some of their rights, but definitely not all of them.

Listen, if you conservatives are incapable of appreciating the American justice system, you guys should just go live in China or some 3rd world country that has a justice system that "works," to your accord.

>>1013168
It costs more money to send somebody for life in prison than to give somebody the death penalty, and typically somebody will spend 20-25 years on death row before they're executed.

>>1013171
So you want a pedophile or a murderer in prison to have access to everything that someone not in prison has?

>>1013170
As far as I am concerned those both deserve life in prison.

>>1013216
Not everything.
But decency. If we lose decency, we lose ourselves.
We're better than animals, and criminals.

>>1013204
Yeah, I'm sure it costs more to put a 21 year old in prison for life, with medical treatment too, than it would to execute him

If conservatives are Christians, and Christianity says thought shall not kill, then why do conservatives support the death penalty?

>>1013226
... are you serious?

number 2 is a mentaly disturbed nutjob. the otherdude could have been married for 15 years and have kids with that woman. and then he walks in on her getting ploughed by the plumber or cable repair dude, grabs his .38 and caps them both there and then out of anger in a blind rage. he is in no way, shape or form as bad as the other guy. who prays on innocent young girls. captures them, rapes them, and buries them in a shallow grave somewhere.

you think they both deserve the same sentence?

you don't think that number 2 should be wiped off the face of the earth?

i'm glad you don't call the shots.

>>1013241
Not all conservatives are Christians, kinda like how not all Muslims are extremists

the death penalty is not a fucking deterrant you fags

>>1013260
>anger in a blind rage

Right there, a good lawyer could claim insanity

Though the same could be done with the other one, saying the guy was molested/raped as a kid

>>1013278
if we dished it out more it would be. and if we made the whole process really efficient and speedy.

>found guilty
>executed the following month

>>1013278
It is if done correctly, not keeping people on death row for 10+ years