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  • File : 1308226368.jpg-(524 KB, 1000x750, Blue_Line_Los_Angeles-222.jpg)
    524 KB Anonymous 06/16/11(Thu)08:12 No.282875  
    What does /n/ think of the Los Angeles subway system?
    >> Anonymous 06/16/11(Thu)11:30 No.282896
    uh what subway
    >> Anonymous 06/18/11(Sat)02:19 No.283367
    I only see a tram OP.
    >> ­ 06/18/11(Sat)08:25 No.283379
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    >>283367
    Does this make you feel better?
    >> Anonymous 06/18/11(Sat)13:04 No.283394
    > LA
    > subway system

    nope.css
    >> Anonymous 06/18/11(Sat)13:57 No.283396
    >>283379

    >that's not the red/purple line

    also, what's the deal with having two incompatible systems, which both seem to carry similar amounts of people?
    >> Anonymous 06/18/11(Sat)14:14 No.283403
    >>283396
    >two incompatible systems

    Apparently, there's three incomparable systems. The green line - the line that's one stop away from being not useless in three different places - is incomparable with the blue, gold and the as yet does not exist expo line.
    >> Anonymous 06/18/11(Sat)15:21 No.283418
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    >>282875
    It'll suck a lot less after Villagairosa gets the new lines built.

    A line to UCLA, the beach and LAX? do want.
    >> Just Expecting Every Problem !2JdOvIfmOM!!jpkjhRHE66J 06/18/11(Sat)16:00 No.283426
    I took the 33 (bus) from Venice and Vermont all the way to Union Station to then take the Goldline to Pasadena (Allen station) and then would either walk home a mile (or when it was really hot wait for the 25cent bus because it's super cheap if you're a student). Sometimes though instead of taking the 33 bus I would catch another rare bus on Vermont that would take me to a Redline station up the street. IF that bus was there or close to being on time and I caught it, taking the Redline to Union station and then taking the Goldline into Pasadena is DRASTICALLY faster.
    And then, when I used to do my community service I would take the Blue line to the red line (via a switch over station in the heart of downtown) and then take the red to the gold, etc


    I did this for 2 years to get home from Highschool to get home. The average time was between an hour and 40 minutes to 2 hours. I now drive and it's 10 times better.
    >> Anonymous 06/18/11(Sat)16:26 No.283432
    >>283403
    Try London as they've got about a dozen incompatible types of rolling stock.
    It kinda works.
    >> Anonymous 06/18/11(Sat)20:59 No.283508
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    lol people in LA afraid to build and expand the subway system because of fart gas.
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)00:25 No.283542
    >>283403

    The Green Line is not incompatible with the Blue Line. They are actually connected at one point. They both have separate maintenance yards so this connection is not used very often, but it's there, and the trains from the Blue Line can operate on the Green Line and vice versa.

    In fact, when the Blue Line trains are retired, they will be replaced by Green Line models.
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)00:53 No.283547
    >>282875

    Its pretty decent so long as you're not trying to get to the westside.
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)03:13 No.283585
    two too short lines
    expand it
    and stop with the lightrail substitution bullshit, light rail vehicles are just modern streetcars and they can not properly replace trains
    the job they are doing ought to be filled by proper trains, metro or commuter
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)04:31 No.283591
    They are building shit pretty fast, but not fast enough.

    Red/purple line kick ass. Ridership is high as fuck, even considering the lack of connection to the westside, etc.

    Expo line opening in a few months- super excited! Lots of bridges to eliminate crossings, and finally working toward some westside connection (in the south).

    Orange line expansion is all set up- but goddammit, want trains!

    I also don't really get this light rail thing. I guess there are at-grade crossings and such. It seems much too slow, except for short distances.

    Gold line. I rode it from its endpoint on the 210 and it is a bit scary- super loud and kinda shaky at top speed in the middle of the freeway. It just doesn't feel right. Much better than nothing at all though.

    Haven't ridden the others.
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)04:52 No.283592
    >>283591

    Riding the Blue Line will be the closest you'll get to being gangsta and hood in your life.
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)04:54 No.283593
    >>283547
    Fuck the westside (poor plebian from central la.)
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)05:16 No.283594
    The Red Line does a pretty damn good job at getting me from the SFV to DTLA.

    I honestly do like the LA Subway System, I just wish there were more lines available so I could get around without needing to use a bus/bike/car
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)05:55 No.283595
    Needs a subway going through Vermont all the way from Los Feliz to San Pedro.
    >> Anonymous 06/19/11(Sun)06:30 No.283598
    >>283591
    they're building lightrail
    lightrail is fine if you remember its just a streetcar and treat it accordingly
    if you try to use it as a cheap substitution for trains well you're gonna have trouble
    >> Uncle Anon, Beloved Pervert & Ex-Grammar Nazi 06/21/11(Tue)05:52 No.284196
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    >>283595
    Agreed, sir!
    Oh how my brain hurts when I think back on what LA *COULD* have had (combo subway/monorail system) if the damn US auto industry hadn't torpedoed it back in the late 50s... ;_;

    But yeah, I loves me some Red Line - only live about 6 blox away from MacPark. And SOME day (maybe even WITHIN my lifetime!!) the Green Line WILL actually go right TO LAX....
    >> Anonymous 06/21/11(Tue)06:16 No.284197
    >>284196
    >monorail
    boondoggle
    as for subway, keep in mind the majority of what they had was STREETCAR not train
    you americans have a real hard time understanding the difference dontcha?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/11(Sat)20:54 No.286246
    >>284197
    They ran on rails and a part of it was underground. How is that not a subway?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/11(Sat)20:57 No.286248
    >>284197

    Few people seriously want streetcars back, but there was a lot of dedicated right of way that was abandoned or paved over.

    The Orange Line, Blue Line and the Expo Line all run on former rights of way that carried trains back in the day. The Gold Line operates mostly on Southern Pacific right of way that they sold to Metro.

    There is another line planned to Orange County that will be built on former Pacific Electric right of way. This is prime right of way because it is so straight.
    >> Anonymous 06/26/11(Sun)11:35 No.286397
    >>286246
    If there's a grade crossing or a part of rail shared with vehicles that do not belong to the same system then it's not a full metro. The defining feature of a "subway" is completely independent operation.
    >> Anonymous 06/26/11(Sun)13:17 No.286419
    >>286397
    > If there's a grade crossing [...] then it's not a full metro
    Explain this theory in more detail, please.
    >> Anonymous 06/26/11(Sun)14:16 No.286432
    Light rail is worth it so long there are inexpensive surface rights of way available. Light rail serves a different, but slightly overlapping purpose with both buses and railway transit. You can replace both low ridership railways (or investment thereof) and high ridership buses with light rail, ideally both and complementing.

    A comprehensive light rail network not only boosts ridership in itself, it also enables the railway transit system to not have so many stops. Railway stations are expensive and slow down long distance commuters.
    >> NeoBlackAnon !!I5ZrXxVHq/N 06/26/11(Sun)15:08 No.286438
    >>286432
    THIS. Light rail is best used as a Super Bus, however, some light rail can collide with subways, but those are really strange multi-use rail systems.
    >>286419
    Subways CAN have grade crossings, but they tend not to (the old NYC subway system had several grade crossings at the Far Rockaway part, before it was sold off to Long Island Rail Road, but in general, subways are ELECTRICAL, UNDERGROUND, SELF CONTAINED systems. They can use standard gauge, and they tend to have third rails, but you have places where subway and commuter rail have similiar origins (New York is odd on this, but our third rail commuter trains are bigger than the subway cars by a few feet or so.). The weight is also larger, as the full commuter cars are meant to take possible impacts from cars/other trains, while subways have waivers and are made of thin metal.
    >> Anonymous 06/26/11(Sun)21:58 No.286527
    it's inefficient and sucks.


    The red and purple lines, however, are godly
    >> Anonymous 06/27/11(Mon)01:50 No.286559
    Culver City fag here, can't wait for the Expo Line to directly connect me to the rest of LA. Whenever I'm downtown I use the Metro as much as I can.
    >> Anonymous 06/27/11(Mon)01:56 No.286561
    I'm not sure why they made the Orange Line a bus line and not light rail.
    >> Anonymous 06/27/11(Mon)03:09 No.286577
    >>286561
    Because trains are loud and dangerous and raise the crime rate while lowering property values, dontcha know?
    >> Anonymous 06/27/11(Mon)07:06 No.286600
    >>286577
    >public transit lowers property value

    This is what Amerifats actually think
    >> Anonymous 06/27/11(Mon)08:59 No.286607
    >>286419
    What details? If it crosses anything other than itself then it's not a full metro. Being self-contained and electric is the accepted definition over here in the civilised (Yup, cheap troll attempt, don't get butthurt over it) lands of Yurop.
    If you cross anything then you're either commuter rail, light rail, or a streetcar. And the latter two are actually the same functionally.
    Asia tends to be less strict about this and has commuter rail services on metro tracks and vice versa. But they don't dabble in the idiocy that is using light rail for corridors that deserve full metro service and what they do actually makes sense, so they're excused.

    >>286438
    In the Dark Ages they had grade crossings because there was no clear definitions and all of the world was still working out what works and what doesn't. You wouldn't have a metro with grade crossings today. Crossings of any kind invite accidents, which cause huge delays, which is inexcusable for any metro service. (Or for any system that aspires to be the back bone of transportation for a city.)
    >> Anonymous 06/27/11(Mon)21:37 No.286760
    Light Rail have their own right-of-way. Streetcars, meanwhile, share road traffic. You can see the difference in Portland.
    >> Anonymous 06/28/11(Tue)00:33 No.286820
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    >>286607
    But it's so amusing when a car tries to beat a brown line train across the tracks and loses.

    Pic related, it's what happens when a car tries to beat a brown line train across the tracks and loses.
    >> Anonymous 06/28/11(Tue)14:01 No.286955
    >>286760
    By "functionally" I meant that both are suited for medium-sized corridors at best and that both have at least parts without exclusive right-of-way which makes them dependent on the traffic situation. (And both disrupt other vehicular traffic whether that's desired or not.)

    >>286820
    Certailny not going to argue that, I love watching natural selection being aided by rail traffic. <3
    >> Anonymous 06/29/11(Wed)16:44 No.287251
    >>286820
    I'm confused. The car is crumpled up between the platform and the crossing gate behind the train. How the fuck did that happen?
    >> Anonymous 06/29/11(Wed)16:59 No.287257
    >>283418
    >Cypress
    Really?

    That'll be fuck yeah awesome. A bus or rail or subway?

    ...Too bad I won't need it by the time it's finished
    >> Anonymous 07/01/11(Fri)00:58 No.287637
    bump
    >> Anonymous 07/01/11(Fri)11:24 No.287748
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    muni was here, norcal is always superior to la
    >> Anonymous 07/01/11(Fri)14:54 No.287778
    I like how it's easy to ride the subway for free, especially the red line. You can pretty much just walk on down, tons of people do it.

    Once, I was riding late at night and a guy comes on the PA and says "police are boarding at the next stop, have your boarding pass ready to show". Of course there were no police at the next stop, but that didn't stop 90% of the people on the train to get off anyways.
    >> Anonymous 07/01/11(Fri)15:21 No.287782
    >>287748
    I ride the T.
    >> Anonymous 07/01/11(Fri)20:07 No.287876
    I should get a PA, and ride the blue line doing that.

    Hey trainfags, what's the correct term here?
    Trollrient Express?
    >> Anonymous 07/01/11(Fri)21:05 No.287894
    The LA subway system suffers from feelings of inadequacy much like the people that live their.
    >> Anonymous 07/05/11(Tue)01:17 No.288574
    >>287778

    Actual, measured rates of fare evasion are low.
    >> Anonymous 07/05/11(Tue)04:34 No.288601
    >>286246
    Not in L.A. that I can remember, Boston had Streetcars that went underground and that portion remains as their Green line doesn't it?
    >>286248
    look at cities that kept their streetcars/trams - they're vital component of public transportation, bringing them back or introducing for the first time could be a major asset
    so long as you keep in mind they're not the only mode but work as one system in an integrated network
    >>286432
    >replace train with light rail
    >low ridership
    It might be low ridership when you do it, but what about later?
    In Melbourne we converted the St Kilda and Port Melbourne railways to tram/streetcar/lightrail 24 years ago, at the time they were a very low density area right on the doorstep of the CBD and with industry leaving the area there was no more freight to justify keeping it so they shutdown the railway and converted... now it has become well populated high density area and the tram/streetcar/lightrail vehicles struggle to cope
    It is even worse in London with the Dockland Light Rail, or L.A. with the Blue Line - the underground and/or elevated station platforms can not be extended to allow for longer vehicle sets
    (and a tram is just what the rest of the world calls a streetcar, no doubt adding further confusion for you yanks)
    >>286760
    >Light Rail have their own right-of-way. Streetcars, meanwhile, share road traffic.
    ...you can do both
    Lightrail is just the modern streetcar - I keep saying this but you lot do not listen! Treat it as such.
    And they dont share, the tracks on the road the cars should keep off of.
    You can put the streetcar on a dedicated right of way, or railway, or median strip, and there you go
    Most of Melbournes trams are street running, but some newer or rebuilt parts are what you Americans would call lightrail due to operating on converted railways or highway median strip
    So again, they're the same thing
    >> Anonymous 07/05/11(Tue)18:39 No.288724
    >>283418
    Is it called 3010 because that's the expected completion date?
    >> Anonymous 07/05/11(Tue)22:10 No.288749
    >>288724
    >completion
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    >> Anonymous 07/06/11(Wed)02:10 No.288796
    hey
    >> Anonymous 07/06/11(Wed)02:10 No.288797
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    >>288601
    Melbourne tram network, largest in the world with 250km of track btw
    the 'lightrail' portions are inside the brackets - the 96 and 109 in South Melbourne on converted railways; the 5, 64, 75, 86 on highway median strips
    These aren't separate elements of the network, they just turn off the road and onto the right of way
    The gray lines are the commuter railways that go to/through/from suburbia, the circles & names the stations. So in many places you can get off the train, walk outside the station, and voila there is one or more trams going by every ~10 minutes to continue your journey, and vice versa
    Except for the CBD and close surroundings Melbourne is a very low density spread out place with suburban sprawl extending forever, so don't tell me this cant work in America.
    >> Anonymous 07/08/11(Fri)01:27 No.289264
    >>288797
    But we could do all that with buses! And it would be cheaper, since we wouldn't have to use metal rails!



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