Big Dig
also Chomsky claims he cant get a train to work because the people in Lexington are racist.

Racism, I knew it!

>>188346
Chomsky is one person who deserves to be killed by a nigger.

>>188346
Are there any articles on the internets that say that? Google is a disorganized mess w/r/t Chomsky.

>>188368
>implying increased transport opportunities don't lead to increased job opportunities
>>188371
it was a talk I heard him give, he said that the trains never been extended to Lexington because the people there don't want the Niggers coming down from Boston to hang around on the Lexington Common
or something to that effect

From what I hear, the airport shuttle > blue line > green > red is way faster then silver > red.

>>188371
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxDcY3Viv0Q

>>188387
>>188371
>When the Orange Line was realigned in the 1980s, its course was altered away from lower income areas of Everett, Chelsea and Roxbury, where residents are less likely to own cars, and depend more on public transit, toward more affluent towns of Malden and Medford, as well as sections of the Jamaica Plain neighborhood (where car ownership is higher, and thus, reliance on public transit is far lower). In response, the MBTA built a bus line operated by articulated silver buses equipped with specialized dispatching equipment. The MBTA named the service the Silver Line, and classified it as though it were a rail transit service. The service has been criticized in many respects, most notably for its slow speed, and the fact that it utilizes the same roads as cars and other "street" traffic, subsequently increasing gridlock and collisions, earning it the nickname "Silver Lie" among many.

bostons shit tier status started way before the big dig

I dunno OP, Boston's infrastructure looks pretty decent in that image you posted.

>>188604
>MBTA 2050
it doesn't look like that today, it is supposed to in 40 years time
And these plans often have a way of not working out

they should have a whole bunch of proper streetrunning streetcar routes
complementing the metro and commuter, not simply an extension of one line
look at Melbournes trams.

>>188608
It's called the Green Line.

>>188611
I don't care what its name is, its a stupid compromise

>>188613

STFU, the green line was the first subway in the US.

Faggots who think public transit is really so bad here need to go anywhere west of Chicago for a bit.

>>188611
he said PROPER street running rail

the green line is a horrible mix of street running, grade separated above ground, subway and quasi-commuter light rail with the D line.

Green line is way over capacity and is a gigantic piece of shit. it needs to be, or at lease some branches, need to be upgraded to heavy rail

lol at underwater MIT stop

>>188702
seems appropriate for an engineering school
>>188701
yes look at Melbournes trams

I must give a lot of respect to Boston for A: Having a subway. B: Having streetcars and other kinds of rail transport. C: Still having PPCs in regular service.

Hell, compared to your average US city public transit Boston is almost at the level of your average european city.

>>188744
they dont have streetcars, just the lamearse greenline

Two questions:
Are street cars an above ground subway?

>>188655
Does that make it the oldest subway in North and South America?

>>188343
>portsmouth

FUCK YES

>>188702
it's a bridge

How the fuck can the blue line handle a tripling of it's size when it's overcrowded as is? Ditto for the Orange line.

And replace the D and E branches of the green line (a subway) with the hokey fake silver line (a bus)?

And still with the Urban Ring?

>>189749
>Are street cars an above ground subway?
No, streetcars are streetcars, routes all over your streets & roads, stop every 500 meters, often intersecting and merging.
An above ground subway is an elevated.
Subway or Elevated are Metros. Trains that operate inside a city totally grade-separated with a high frequency of operation, 10 minutes and much much less.
Trying to put lightrail in subways doesn't work, it does not have the same volume capacity as a proper train. A few hundred on a lightrail vs ~1,000 or more on an Electric Multiple Unit train.
Germany stopped doing this in the 1980s because of the cost/benefit, other places like the London Dockland Lightrail and the L.A. Blue Line are discovering this problem as they reach maximum capacity and can not expand due to the design limitations.

>>189812
>And still with the Urban Ring?
Hub and Spoke starts having problems as you begin to become large and diversified - having to go in on one and go out on another it a bit of a hassle.
It can be alleviated somewhat if you've got Trams/Streetcars, but thats still not the same.

>>189749
Why the fuck do you have overhead AND third rail electrification?
Pick one and stick with. Having to have twice the maintenance pool is a very big waste.
Also, turn trolley bus back into Streetcar/Tram.

>>189827
The Urban Ring is supposed to be a bus, kinda like the Silver Line.

>>189829
damn their oily hides
I had read that was only short term and there would eventually be a train

>>189828
>Why the fuck do you have overhead AND third rail electrification?
Because whomever designed the Blue Line was a heavy user of whatever it was they used instead of crack in the 1920's.

>>188744
Fuck you, Melbourne has an extensive commuter train network and the worlds largest tram network

>>188744
Service levels are pretty poor though, and no 24-hour service, not even buses??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tEFIRdMFJM

>>189843
who does 24 hour services anyway?
I can only think of Pragues trams, they have 8 routes that operate from midnight to 6am, 30 minute frequency

>>189846
Pretty much every major city (even in the US) that I know of at least has overnight bus service, and there are cities like NYC with its fully 24/7 subway, or Chicago's Red Line on the L, or the PATCO in Philadelphia/NJ. Plus there a bunch of European cities like Barcelona and Copenhagen that run their metros continuously from Friday morning to Sunday night.

Kibo's tour of the MBTA:

http://www.kibo.com/photos/mbta/

>>189812
The Silver Line in this diagram isn't the Silver Line BRT that exist today. It is just a color assigned to the train route.

>>189834
It was done partly for cost, and partly because the third rail is prone to freezing. Though they make the Red line work well, idk why they couldn't/wouldn't do the same for the blue line.
At the same time, I'm sure having custom dual mode blue line cars didn't save them money in the end. Hell, the blue line cars are basically just modified orange line cars. If they kept them the same they could have saved money on maintainable or been able to swap trains on lines or something.

common sense doesnt exist in massachusetts

>>189902
you've gotta double up everything: maintenance for the trains, the railways, etc

>>189902
>common sense doesnt exist in massachusetts
I see this all the time in the USA with public transportation, no one network but balkanized into numerous different modes and systems

>>189846
Barcelona has night bus service and all night subway on saturdays.

Melbournes trains will run until about 1am on a Friday night/Saturday morning and again Saturday night/Sunday morning, then after that its the NightRider bus which runs along several key corridors from the city centre through to the suburbs into the morning.
Sunday though every form of public transportation is shit.

Boston Streetcar lines as of 1940
This was at their height, beginning in 1941 many were replaced with trolley buses and then most of the rest were shut down through the 1950s & early 1960s leaving just the green line today.
complete list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-area_streetcar_lines
So since I don't live in Boston nor have I ever been there would someone who has care to comment on the roads/streets the routes operate on and areas they run though?

>>188343
Where's the other end of the #4 silver line?

>>191036

This is extremely sensible and never should have changed. Really the only addition necessary would be to extend past Maverick to the airport. Otherwise the streetcars are far more sensible for the areas served.

>>191036
Vintage Streetcars/Modern Lightrail Vehicles really would not be apropriate for an Airport route - that would be better serviced by a train on a railway.
These are the classic PCC, sort of thing that would have been running on that in the 1940s

>>191230
A modern Lightrail Vehicle, sort of thing that might have run on it today.
As you can see, neither would be good for the volume of passengers going to/coming from an airport + their luggage.

>>191036
39/57 would come out of the boyleston street portal and continue down huntington ave, south huntington, then heath street which would be the Back Bay area and Mission Hill. 57 would short turn at the heath street loop while 39 would continue down heath street, centre street, south street (?) and end at arborway which would be through the Jamaica Plain area. In fact, 39 trolley turned into 39 bus which follows the same route. 57 exists today as the current E line.

Route 7 seems to be what the Silver Line route 3/4(?) follows, mostly underground now.

The only other thing I remotely know would be that nest around Uphams Corner would, I believe, be present day Roxbury and Dorchester.

>>191167
so these are all still populated and well frequented places then?

>>191381
Absolutely.

Dear MBTA,

Where's mah fucking Blue Expansion to Lynn you fuckshits. You extended every other line but ours. WHAT THE FUCK.

Sincerely,
Lynnonymous

>Why does Boston's infrastructure suck eggs?
Because Boston was built on a tiny peninsula a few hundred years ago.

>>191998
Supposedly after the green line extension into somerville.

The mbta lost the street car lines when they sold the contract to GM. There were literally hundreds of miles of street car track that was ripped up.

Also Lynnfag, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU IN LYNN BITCH!

>>192211
>GM
>streetcars

Why would ANY COMPANY IN THE HISTORY OF EVER think that this was a good idea? They HAD to know the streetcars would get discarded and the lines ripped up.

>>192230

monies?

>>192230
thats the idea