This is one of the primary reasons why people bitch about "useless" philosophy degrees. People go into philosophy not realizing what it is until it's too late and they graduate with a 3.0 GPA and no references.

> 2012
> making an effort to steer wide and clear from mathematics
hahahaha

A girl I know is studying for archaeology. It's hard to maintain your cool after someone says that.

Gen. Psych classes trick kids into thinking all they have to do is make up some bullshit and say "oh, this person has such and such a disorder." When they realize it's actually a science and that they actually know how to work with statistics (usually late sophomore/early junior year) that is when they either switch to English/Humanities degrees or drop out.

>major in biology because masterrace and no maths
>first semester there is maths and physics
>fuck
>I get best results from maths test

I don't even.

Actually Psychology doesn't involve that much math, the closest thing is really just statistics and stuff and that isn't OMG HARD math.

I didn't do math in half of 11th and all of 12th grade because I asked around and they said that you wouldn't need it for Psychology.

>>1366790

Isn't philosophy just getting high and saying/writing bullshit about how to go about your life?

>>1366879
Naw. Academic philosophy involves mathematical logic and analytical thinking. Many areas of philosophy have just as much rigor as mathematics or science. I guess you can still do that while high, though.

>> Be psychology major
>> Know the maths is going to be shit-tier
>> Take maths as an elective

What now OP?

I don't get it, why do mathfags bash Philosophy when it's the FOUNDATION of all schools of thought? Is it because Philosophy is, in many ways, subjective whereas Math is objective?

Also, it's a lot harder to get a mark above 90 in a Philosophy class than a Math class.

I've pretty much accepted that maths will be part of my life.
I've actually gotten better at it, though.

>>1366879
That's a common misconception of Philosophy, but its actually not the case. I'll leave it to more educated anons to explain it for you.

>realize I'm going to have to do math and physics no matter what
>might as well make the best of it, major in physics with minor in astronomy
>mfw

>>1366901
>Also, it's a lot harder to get a mark above 90 in a Philosophy class than a Math class.

This isn't really true.

>Math majors hate philosophy.

Also not entirely true. Once you've studied enough math and have a decent general education, you come to realize that philosophy and mathematics intersect at many points.

>Philosophy is the foundation of mathematics
Not really. Although there is a philosophy of mathematics, all you really have to do is adopt a kind of fictionalism and you're in the same position as anyone else

this is coming from a philosophy major

I don't know, I chose philosophy because I didn't get into the school with the preferrable math program I wanted. I think a lot of mathematicians can appreciate philosophy. Some people think philosophy is semantics, but its context, intent, etc. Its rigorous.
>people have different identifiers than me, like a major
>obviously inferior
hence sage

Academic here.

Academia is horrible, and once you're in you realize that you've been trolled by RL.

>cricital thinking and problem solving skills

Oh you OP ...

>>1366955
I give OP the benefit of the doubt and assume he's not actually claiming superiority. He's actually just pointing out the plain fact that mathematics is something that is integral to almost every area of academia.

>>1366988
>>1366955
>>1366900
>>1366899

Speaking of mathematics.. check those repeating digits.

>>1366824
What's wrong with archeology?

>>1366998
mfw when two of those posts were by me

double dubs.

>>1367018

Good job

Enjoy our Math degree

>Going to college/uni for no practical reason
Now THAT is the ultimate societal troll

>>1367096

"Hey kid, you want a higher education?"
"YESEYEYES!"
"Cool, here you go"
"Wait wat, why is it so hard to do something with it"
"You should have majored in trolling, kiddo."

>>1367096

I went into college without any real goals. In fact, I wanted to drop out and work as a soda jerk. But I stayed in school and soon I started applying for internships with various federal agencies.

I am now happily employed, even though I majored in a supposedly unemployable field.

I don't know why math majors are so obsessed with proving that their major is somehow the only path to success-- generally, I've seen most math majors make it to midlevel and stall out because they don't have the liberal arts background to really lead/manage/move forward in a direction where there are not actual "answers" so much as there are "approaches".

Many of those disciplines can use math from time to time, but by and large, issues are more related to the core competency in the major, with supplemental input from math.

About 60% of my work involves analysis of ideas, about 25% requires execution, and about 15% relies on using numbers data to optimize process or to make some inferences.

But it's not like analyzing statute is really math oriented and it's not like I can't tell who is the best bidder without having calculus knowledge-- it's pretty simple stuff.

>>1367173
>I am now happily employed, even though I majored in a supposedly unemployable field.

Mathematics?
( i am so sorry )

>>1367173
>I lucked out/am talented/worked hard why isn't everyone in the world as successful as me?
If I have to explain to you why your comment is dumb you finished college too early

>PhD in Geography
>500k starting
>any job I want

you jelly/mad mathfags?

Another math/science major circle jerk thread.

Look, I'm a Computer Science major, I'm not a neckbeard, I go out on weekends, but does that mean I think I am better than the shut-ins I have to attend class with? No. And do I walk around with a "holier than thou" attitude when I know kids with Arts and Humanities majors will have hard times finding jobs? Also no. Basically, the point is, take pride in your studies, but don't be a fucking asshole and think that you are going to be God's gift to the workforce when you graduate.

>>1367259
>And do I walk around with a "holier than thou" attitude

Seems like it if that post is anything to go by...

>>1367259

Look children, its a rare breed of normalfag. Lets hide beind the bushes and witness how his mind gets slowly eaten by /r9k/.

>PhD in math
>any job I want
>500k starting
umad artfags?

>19
>been going to shitty local community college
>no idea what to do
>finishing second year
>been taking random social science classes
>straight from highschool scholarship pays entire tuition

So what, should I just transfer to the shitty state university next year and major in psych? I can't skip a semester without forfeiting the scholarship. Or should I just drop out and start working until I'm serious about what I want to do, then return to college (and gain some awesome debt)?

>>1367300
It used to be 300k starting.

Is it higher now because of the recession?

>>1367307

Community college Psych courses are just easy bullshit that will in no way prepare you for Psych courses at an actual university.

>>1367218
>>1367300
You two geniuses should start up a company.

>>1367307
My advice is to see if any of these float your boat.

http://education.yahoo.net/articles/six_in_demand_degrees.htm

If you pick a path, make sure it's something you can see yourself doing for a long time. Otherwise you end up in my position where you have to go back and start over.

>>1367300

Can't be a painter. You 'mirin?

>>1366937
>Math majors hate philosophy.
It's the entire basis of math.

One cannot like math but hate philosophy.

>Dropped out of highschool
>No debt
>Extremely happy
umad collegefags?

>>1367369
In what way is philosophy the basis for mathematics? I thought axioms were the basis for mathematics.

>>1367380

What do you do for a living? I hope that you are not a lazy welfare bum.

>>1367380
>Didn't drop out
>Going to university studying what I love
>No debt nor future debt because I'm doing shit right
Nope. Not mad.

>>1367393

>Studying what I love

A lot of people say this, but what if you're in university and you don't love any of the fields? I have a passing interest in history, economics, politics, literature, arts, astronomy and religion but would be torturing myself if I studied any of these as part of an academic program. I would check out a library book on just about everything but have no motivation to study any one subject with a four year commitment to writing papers about it.

>>1367415
Then university isn't for you.

>>1367383
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics

Give this a kick first, axioms ARE the basis of the abstraction governing it, but what defines the axiom?

>father owns a local stage theater
>operates the building and directs the plays/musical etc.
>audience is typically members of the elderly gated community in town but we pull a good crowd on every show
>mother is a pharmacist
>so yeah, good money there, too

>always had a passion for acting
>joined my father onstage right out of high school
>full-time actor
>doing what I love for a living and with good pay
>no college debts
>no math

>>1367439
Pretty sure mathematicians define axioms.

>people major in ... because LOL NO MATHS

It's not like those imbeciles are any better at the alternative, anyway.

I decided to major in history, and most of the people I meet who express disdain for math aren't very good at writing, either.

>Majoring in Nursing
>Only basic shit tier math required

COME ON AND SLAM. AND WELCOME TO THE JAM. COME ON AND SLAM. IF YOU WANNA JAM.

>>1367444
You're lucky, anon.

Not everybody has trips

>be among the best at math in highschool
>study sociology
>mfw it's fucking easy and some people are considering dropping their studies
Feel good man

>>1367454

Fuck! I remember Space Jam! Seeing that movie was the first time I realized I hated black people.

I'm really, really fucking bad at math. I always have been and likely always will be. I can't add or subtract in my head easily, let alone multiply or divide. I also hate the shit out of math. I hate doing it, I hate thinking about it and I hate trying to learn it.

I'm very good, however, at things like history, da Anglish linguige, linguistics and PoliSci.


So why shouldn't I enroll in a program that suits my strengths instead of taking one with math which I'll fail at no matter how hard I try?

>>1367472

Really? Space Jam has some brotier black people. Like Charles Barkley.

Studying foreign languages here.

Come at me.

>>1367503

>Poli Sci

I hope you realize this involves a certain amount of Mathematics, right?

Picture related. This is what you will be doing in a Poli Sci class, not bullshitting about why you think abortion is wrong.

>>1367446
>Pretty sure mathematicians define axioms.

That seems so black box. How do they define them?

How do they exist?

Why do they exist?

>>1367503

Because in my experience, people who are bad at mathematics lack the skills necessary to excel in other fields, even ones that don't involve mathematics. People who suck at math just think they're great at other subjects because the subjectivity of soft sciences and creative fields hides their mediocrity, at least from themselves. I've seen exceptions, but they're rare.

>>1367535
Axioms are taken to be self-evident.

How or why they exist is irrelevant to actually doing mathematics. I don't mean to claim that mathematics and philosophy don't intersect, I just don't think that philosophy precedes mathematics in anyway, necessarily.

>>1367518
Masterful knowledge of multiple languages is very valuable. Interpreters will have jobs until all major civilizations adopt one language.

It also enables you to get more out of traveling.

Good on ya, mate.

>>1367535

You kinda don't question that. That's why they're called axioms you dumb cunt.

Education major here.
No one has respect for my major or future job
Feels ambivalent

>>1367591
Mathematics has a base in philosophy of which there is no doubt.

But yes, we can do mathematics currently without understand many of the root 'why' questions. They just help provide basis and context, give us a deeper understanding of the applications and magnitude of mathematics, or even the validity of them for that matter!

>Master of Artstack
>Illustrate childrens' books
>Not even work
>ROYALTIE$

>>1366901>I don't get it, why do mathfags bash Philosophy
My personal experience (as a math student) is the following: we do not dislike philosophy, in fact we often discuss philosophical aspects among ourselves (actually this is the only thing that you can "discuss" in mathematics since once you are past settling which axioms and which calculus is "true" there is only truth beyond this point and nothing to discuss).

However, we do dislike philosophers. Why? You just gave the answer:
>when it's the FOUNDATION of all schools of thought?
Who would not be annoyed by a group of people that do not even have a basic understanding of what you are doing but try to take all the credit for it?

tr;dr Mathematicians consider philosophers idiots because they do not understand mathematics and logic.

>>1367639
>Philosophers don't understand the role of mathematics

Stop talking to undergrads. They aren't philosophers.

>>1367531

>thinks game theory is included in most PoliSci courses

Unless you attend a top tier university, then nope.jpg. Good thing I'm an economics & politics major, the former gives me all the grasp on quantitative data I need.

>>1367667
>>Philosophers don't understand the role of mathematics
Can you point to where in my post I said that?

>undergrads
I am not sure what this is, luckily I am not American.

>>1367712
>Who would not be annoyed by a group of people that do not even have a basic understanding of what you are doing but try to take all the credit for it?


>Doesn't go to Uni in America
Enjoy your second-rate university, son.

Comm major here. See other people in my classes who are in it cuz they think it its easy, but the harder classes are all linguistics or philosophy. Kinda depressing too, the more critical approaches indicate that we are all controlled by business and the media, and it is only getting worse.

When I started my philosophy degree there were a lot of half and halfers (they studied philosophy and something else) who clearly had no clue what the fuck philosophy was. Then there were the even bigger tourists that took a philosophy module as an outside class and they spent the entire semester fucking moaning about it.

I guess most of them never actually read a work of philosophy. I can only assume they just watched the Matrix and read a couple of books like Life of Pi and thought that it would all be as revelatory and self actualising as that kind of stuff.

It's pretty funny when they are given someone like Kant to read and they are a bit like "How am I supposed to read this shit?".

My actual face when I completed a B Science with one basic math topic and one basic chemistry unit.

>be absolutely, without a doubt, 100% shit at math
>un-fucking-tutorable
>every single person that has tried to teach me math threw up their hands and gave up in frustration
>completely avoid going to college because I'll be forced to take math classes that will ultimately fuck up my GPA

I can write like holy shit and can grasp abstract concepts fairly easily, but I can NOT do math. I actually have to have a pen and paper with my to do a lot of addition and subtraction, that's how bad I am.

I just can't picture numbers and I can't assign meaning to them. Pretty sure I'm a little retarded or something.

>>1366846

>biology
>masterrace

hahahahahaha. Chem is where it's at, nigger.

>>1366901

because most people who study philosophy are pretentious pseudo intellectuals.

But I do agree that philosophy is a valuable course and should be taken by all science and math majors.

>>1367712

An undergraduate is a person enrolled in a Bachelor's degree program.

>>1367380

>do well in school
>earn scholarship
>no debt
>extremely happy

umad minimumwagefag?

Hey, mathfags, quick question:

I'm 19 in community college (californiafag here, we use this as a stepping stone to real universities) and I don't want to fritter my education away in the social science building. Assuming I've got rudimentary knowledge of math, how fucked would I be if I attempted my prerequisites for Civil Engineering?

I'd be going for a bachelors at a half-decent state uni.

>>1367765
To be fair, as a philosophy major, "How the fuck am I supposed to read this shit" is the reaction I give to half the philosophers I encounter.

>>1367783
>and can grasp abstract concepts fairly easily
>can't do math

Pick one

>>1367932
>mfw Sarte

>>1367831

I always find it funny that the line between pseudo intellectual and an actual intellectual is just who has the qualifications.

If you don't have a PhD and you decide to read Schopenhauer then you are clearly be pretentious right? Who could possibly have a genuine interest in philosophy unless they had a piece of paper ratified by academics?

You don't get the same stigma for being an amateur in other areas of life. If you decide to start climbing mountains and so you go and buy the gear and start climbing small mountains people don't say that you are some kind of pseudo-mountaineer they recognise the fact you are a beginner and they respect it.

They might make fun of you if you just bought the gear and never climbed a mountain but in a subject like philosophy you will always be a pretentious fake until you are a professor.

>physics major
>maths minor
>can't do basic multiplication without calculator

Math is all about thinking outside the box and problem solving. Philosophy is similar. Why someone wants to shit talk about math or philosophy is absolutely crazy.