Clearly the player is piloting a plane made from Super Alloy Z.

AH is kinda hit/miss, but if you can find it cheap it's not a total loss.

I'd say it averages around to 6's level of meh, but where 6 was just meh AH is more a mix of cool things and questionable things that even out to meh.

So yeah, I'd go for it if you find a copy around $30 or less.

banned from /v/ for video game related post...damn they stay classy over there.

I stopped playing after ZERO

AH is the worst ACE combat, unfortunately its your only choice on PS3, but 360 has 6, which while bad, its better than the cesspool AH is.

Try 0 and 5 if you got a PS2, or the 3ds one if you got a 3ds, all great games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J6g9e_s1wc

Link related, the best AC.

Sadly there is nothing in the horizon atm. AC is going through hard times with MW hybridization lets cater to jocks and clancy fags bullshit.

>>7444860
I should add:

If the thought of "CoD w/ planes" turns you off, bail the fuck out now.

It's a black sheep entry.
Very controversial depending on who you talk to.

Thinking about getting ACE COMBAT 3DS ...

Is it any good?

Last ace combat I played was on PSx (Playstation 1, kids)

OP here again.

I'm a fairly big AC fan. I have Air Combat, AC4, AC5 Unsung and 6. Don't have any of the handhelds and didn't get a chance to play Zero.

I'm really upset with AH but apparently it got a lot of copies sold. Wonder how it's 3DS counter part is in comparison to it. I've considered purchasing a 3DS or PSP Vita for some time. I heard over on another thread that they plan on releasing 3 on the Vita.

Don't know how accurate this claim is because I haven't seen any sources backing ti up.

>>7444926
Very. Its an upgraded port of Ace Combat 2. I got it and I really like it.

>7444927

Did it really sell? cause everyone seems to hate it.

Hardware wise the Vita is a lot better than the 3ds, but the 3ds might have better games. I got a 3ds and its pretty swell but dont really care for the 3d (makes head hurt) Vita is just sex tho

>>7444927
>didn't get a chance to play Zero

Good god man, why are you wasting your time here?

>>7444873
>5
>the best
>posting TUW like it's the best track in 5

Opinions incoming, but I thought Zero was the better rendition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKDzOnRydWk) of TUW.
5's good and all but not really something I could tolerate in terms of repeated playthroughs.

It did have one of the better soundtracks IMO, though that's partially thanks to the large song count, and even then it's still accompanied by a bunch of only-ok tracks alongside the really good ones.

And strictly speaking, nothing can ever be worse than Advance.
>inb4 convenient denial over the existence of Advance

I really think it'd benefit from being able to save Chopper, and making a route split scenario out of whether or not Chopper dies.

>>7444942
It's been years since I played on my PS2. Years, and I don't know if it works still and I haven't gotten around to fixing it.

AC:AH is a steaming pile of shit compared to to other AC games. In fact, it's a steaming pile of shit compared to any other flight sim game I've ever played. It really is the CoD of it's genre, it's almost just a rail shooter with all its scripted events and bullshit.

AC6 has a pretty retarded story, but it has good graphics and gameplay. My personal favorite if AC4, I think it has an amazing story and very good gameplay. AC5 is also pretty decent, good story and game play. AC0 is meh.

If you want a really good story, then get 4. If you're more interested in gameplay, then look at 5 or 6.

/v/ here, double digits reporting in

>>7444927
>Hasnt played Zero
Yo buddy

find that game and play it

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>>7444927
I doubt AH sold well.
Hell I haven't had any reason to believe it achieved any of the mainstream success it set out to get.

Assault Horizon Legacy is AH in name only.

Also, go play Zero.
It's fucking awesome.

Don't forget to make sure you still have your cleared-game data from 04 and 5, too.

>>7444943

>screencapped
>immortality achieved

Going to namefag myself (OP).

I will admit, I rather enjoy seeing that you can play as other characters but also other crafts. I had always wondered what it was like to be in the eyes of a chopper or tank, you know?

However, I hate. HATE seeing this DFM and how close the camera is to your aircraft. I can only play the Ace series in third person, it doesn't make nearly as dizzy as I were to play it in first.

>>7444938
This was from a thread maybe a day or two ago on /v/ but from the links posted (don't have them on my person) it apparently sold almost as well as a CoD game.

Seems from the ratings and purchases that a lot of CoD/BF3 fans really liked it.

>>7444926

someone tell me about Ace Combat 3DS :'(

>>7444970
I did bro, see >>7444938

Its a great game.

>>7444950
>AC0 is meh.
>If you want a really good story, then get 4. If you're more interested in gameplay, then look at 5 or 6.

Jimmies status: rustling...

>>7444966
The dynamic camera stuff was kinda weird in cockpit view (I like cockpit, deal with it), though I can only assume getting up close to your plane's gun port would suck on so many levels...

Interesting thing:
Did you know that the choppers actually behave a bit differently depending on if you're in 3rd person or in 1st?

They tilt up and down in 1st, but for 3rd they'll stay level while the crosshairs move around.

>>7444982

Thanks bro! :)

/m/ > /v/

>>7444950
>AC0 is meh.
>thinks any Ace Combat title has a good story

Opinion nullified.

>>7444963
I'll have to see what I can do and if my PS2 system can even play it.

What do your saves do from 4 and 5? Wonder if I have to clear everything to get anything new...

I have a PSP and Nintendo DS, are there any good AC games for these two handhelds worth while checking out?

>>7444995
They unlock stuff.

I liked skies of deception for PSP, heard Joint Assault is terrible, and there is another one that I haven't tried.

Dunno about DS

/v/ here, check my integers

>>7444995
Both Ace Combat games on the PSP are decent.
I liked X a bit more than JA for various reasons, such as a less bullshit final boss, and more missions that I found really fun like the Atmos Ring set.

>>7445004
SOD is pretty good, it does the route split thing, has a lot of missions (which change depending on what you do in other missions, and multiple endings.

The plot was pretty decent too (its pretty much the same as 6 but better done)

The rest is what youd expect, graphics are a bit worse, and the cave missions are fml

>>7445006
nice try but check mine

wow this board doesn't lend itself to repeating numbers

Are the people from /v/ really posting about post numbers?

What kind of cesspool is it there?

>>7444983
Also, the voice warning systems on the planes vary between models.

And the F-35 can actually pseudohover.

And you can pop into third person during the AC-130 stage.
And you can get shot down in the AC-130 stage!

Scripted CRA is pretty lame, and so was giving people a tutorial stage for a demo without thinking of all the possible ways that could backfire, but it's these small details present elsewhere in AH that I hope go on to show up in future games (assuming shitcanning doesn't ensue)...

>>7444995
Softens unlock criteria for the superplanes. I remember having the Wyvern unlocked practically off the start, for one...

As >>7445004 lists, there's X, which is ok but nothing really special, and then JA, which as far as I can tell almost no one plays.

There's also an iDevice companion game to X, Ace Combat Xi, which is supposed to be the game from Falco squadron's perspective or something...

Oh it's also microtransaction fragmented-installments gotta pay more for the whole thing sort of game from what I understand, so really it's nothing worth paying attention to...

>>7445015
/b/ 3.0

>>7445008
>the cave missions are fml

Nothing like that will ever give me any kind of frustration after Metro in Airforce Delta Strike.

FUCKING TRAINS

>>7445015
One where arbitrarily (or more likely via script) getting two or more numbers in a row is something to get excited over. I laugh whenever /v/ ranks boards.

>>7445015
It's in pretty bad shape right now, arguably worse than several days ago. Bans all around, vidya threads are being saged, nonvidya threads are being saged, people shitposting about shitposting, dubs are actually disabled...
It's a sorry state of affairs when I go to another board, see an off topic thread, and am surprised at how people are actually having a civil discussion instead of sagebombing it.

>>7445008
The plot is embarrassing for Skies.
JA's, even moreso.

Really though, Skies' biggest strength is in mission and plane count, and for a handheld AC it holds up pretty well, sacrificing a few things but not enough that the experience feels compromised.

Oh, it's also replayable as fuck. Seriously, you can replay Skies of Deception so many times before you run out of stage permutations since you're able to tackle things in whatever order you choose for a given region.

Go to /b/ then,

we don't want your /v/irgins

>>7445022
I noticed the different voices in the Lets Play. Right now Im on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H840Ime3BQ

The Russian jet he's using has russian warnings going off. That's really, really cool details.

Like you said though, they should drop the DFM, add more jet missions then bombing, chopper and tank missions and keep the level of details in and it'd make for a good flight sim.

One problem I have is the sheer number of missles and ammo you get in AH. You'd never have 200 missiles in any of the other Ace games.

>>7445011
>>7445011
>>7445011
>>7445011
>>7445011
>>7445011
>>7445011

>>7445053
You kinda do still have obnoxious amounts, but if anything I'll take too many over not enough.

>cue nightmares over the Desert X missions for 5, running out of ammo only for MISSION UPDATE to task me with doing even more shit

Also I wouldn't gut DFM per se, just that the scripted/forced moments were pretty detrimental in demonstrating a gimmick that could have potential.

As is it's a bit too abusable, though I like how the enemy planes can be a bit more aggressive using DFM themselves.

It's a concept I wouldn't mind seeing refined over time.

oh /m/, jealousy is fine, i mean it's obvious, you wish you were as popular as us, but you're not, it's just a fact and you have to deal with it.
acting like a bunch of angry children just reminds us of why we have millions of unique users a day and your board is... well... this.

>>7445053
>a good flight sim

Ace Combat has never been a flight sim.

>>7445068
Also, shorter missions would be nice.

Anyone who has played AH will agree with me on this:

The missions are way too long.
Where you'd think they'd end, instead they'll continue to drag on and on and on until the mission is finally over.

The longer missions makes the decision for regenerating health and checkpoints everywhere forever understandable, but they could've artificially padded out the mission count by cutting each one into halves or thirds, perhaps even cutting to a different POV for a given battle...

>>7445068
Maybe... I haven't played AH myself but it might be cool to have if they dropped the on rails crap. I noticed if you target one jet across the map and go into DFM the ones that were on the opposite side will magically disappear and reappear next to your craft and then go into that onrails shooting. I hate that.

Maybe if they dropped the on rails the DFM might be interesting. I also enjoy the back flips your planes do when you have someone behind you.

Simply making the AI extremely hard and intelligent you wouldn't have to require them to be on rails and you could do those types of stunts without being on rails.

>>7445085
Well "on rails" is a bit of an illusion, it's somewhere between that and heavily-assisted flight.

It's truly on rails in a small number of engagements, but beyond those you still have a semblance of control, which is augmented by DFM's assisted-guidance nature...

It's kinda weird like that.
Also any time you engage DFM odds are that about 2-3 other planes are going to start tailing you, giving you a damn good reason to break off of that imaginary rail.

To think of it another way, they wanted people to not missile spam as much as being the missile instead... if that makes sense.

>>7445094
It does and I know it's not truly "on-rails" I simply called it that because it's certainly close to being on-rails.

Did someone ask for some hambuerger helper?

>>7445102
Well it doesn't hurt to clarify otherwise, considering that HURRDURRQTEONRAILZ used to be a rampant criticism from as early as the demo's release.

Actually, scratch that; it was as early as the announcement trailer with the goddamn triangle/y button.

Point is that thinking too hard about DFM is like having someone explain a magic trick to you as it's being performed. Once the illusion is dispersed, you won't derive as much entertainment from it as before.

That, and it's also good to make sure people are informed on the matter so they don't accidentally spread misinformation.

>>7444845
Meant to ask the players who've played/beaten AH. Are there bosses or special pilots like in it;s predecessors?

>>7444845

OP look what I made happen since you were doubleb&:

>>>/v/130400151

>>7445118
Well... for bosses, there's Markov...

...but he's just one more in a recent trend of bullshit bosses in ACES-developed games, alongside Orishina from Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces and Sulejmani from Joint Assault.

I remember there being named ace type targets in the game as well, and alongside those AH has the whole TGT_LEAD shtick...

...though I think if you want a more traditional experience, you'd want to play Legacy on the 3DS...

>that feel when my dubs delivery +tip arrived and my jimmies got rustled after the daily dose

God I needed that. fucking /v/estapo

You guys probably don't need to hear it out loud, but I want to say I'm proud of you guys for just ignoring all the troll posts and, you know, actually having a decent discussion. Seeing stuff like this is why I like /m/.

Haven't played AC yet, but I've always wanted to. Reading this thread's been making me more interested, too.

>>7445132
That stinks, there's only one named jet in AH.

I rather enjoyed being able to beat or do certain things on a mission in order for the enemy Ace to appear.

Didn't play 04, played 05, then Zero, none of the PSP games, but dammit if 05 Unsung War isn't etched into my memory.

I bought AH on a whim because I was a big fan of 05 and Zero. I didn't even play the demo since I didn't want to spoil anything for myself.

Turns out my initial reaction was pretty good and it's pretty exciting, yet where the hell is the replay ability value? I completed the story mode and then there was nothing left. Such but some jimmies were rustled.

>>7445156
You should watch a few Let Plays of the series from this gentlemen. I've literally have never seen such a good pilot.

http://www.youtube.com/user/omglolwtf66

Also, to all the Ace fans. I have a legitmate question. The people who are our wingmen and team, like in Unsung and 6. I've always wondered what their pilot skill levels are at compared to the characters we play as and the enemies we fight. Both regular enemies and special enemies.

Where do they stand on the skill level, you know?

>>7445157
No there's more than one, I remember there being at least two confirmed names from back during the preview phase...

And then there's the ID names scattered for allies and whatnot...

But I'm sure there still are named targets.
I haven't played through that thoroughly to make note of it, though.

ELLIPSE I want you to see this and watch it carefully. This is why I consider and hate the DFM.

When he engages and uses the DFM, he's teleported behind the enemy bomber.

http://youtu.be/4OdPWnP5sHY?t=11m16s

I hate this scripted crap.

>>7445191
Oh, the entry angle teleport thing?

Yeah that's kinda a consequence of how it sets up, and I agree it's pretty silly.

Like I said, it could use refinement.
Combine it with the charge-meter used by SC: IA's TCM ability, that's probably a good start to fix it...

>>7445201
That fucking gif. Yes though, a charged ability would make more sense. The DFM should be called Flow or something similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_%28psychology%29

We all get it when we enjoy what we do but we can only get it in small burst. A recharge in order to focus more would make a whole lot more sense. Also drop the scripted events that the DFM does. Also not making it a slow-mo camera. Should be exactly how it is in AH but with only being able to use it once in awhile, like you said.

I pretty much only like the PS1 games and 4.

>>7445216
Well there's still the issue of ASM... which by design isn't abusable since you have a limited number of attack run lines to use but at the same time kinda makes it less a player ability and more like throwing a switch you've come across in some game.
ASM feels soulless compared to DFM, despite the latter being a cheesefest.

So I'm checking out the two PSP titles on Amazong and I can get AC:X for $10 and AC:JA for $40. I can also hold out and see if this fabled AC:3 being re-released on the PS Vita or if this rumor is false getting a 3DS and trying out the handheld version of AH.

>>7445322
Not sure if X has a digital copy version, but JA does, and I believe Vita is "backwards compatible" with PSP via digital copies, so...

Then again I wouldn't need AC as an excuse to be an early adopter for the Vita. I've got a good feeling about the machine...

>>7445336
Hmm... I'll look into it. The Vita is far to expensive for me at the moment.

Hows multiplayer in AH?

>>7445345
I haven't played it (herp derp Xbawks Live pay2play), but I've heard it's pretty awesome. In one mode, capital conquest, you've got access to the whole line of aircraft categories (chopper, fighter, multirole, attacker, bomber) and they essentially function like classes: choppers can fly nap of earth to evade radar, fighter has air superiority, attacker can ASM, multirole is the in-between, and bomber is dedicated ASM base-rape.

I'd assume that there aren't as many people online nowadays, though, so as good as it may sound on paper the fact of the matter is that it could be pretty dead by now.

At least it isn't a Raptor QAAM spam nascar rally type environment...

>>7445371
Domination is better in my opinion, but NOBODY plays it. EVER.

I actually rather like the helicopters in AH. They take some time to get used to, but once you get the hang of it it's not so bad.

Now if only they'd put this fucker in the game.

>>7445385
What kinda upsets me is that there's no local level multiplayer support.

No split screen, not even LAN.

I mean, maybe I'm expecting too much, online's a relatively new venture for the franchise and all, but I'm strongly against XBL milking more money out of me in order to fully enjoy a 360 game... and split screen multiplayer isn't anything new for them, technically speaking...

>>7445409
I don't mind paying for XBL because it's so dirt cheap anyway.

I've been looking over the unoffical english ace website and found a discussion I thought was interesting. It pertains to the sales of AH and apparently how much money they need in order to make a new Ace game. However the latter being a rumor.

http://acecombatskies.com/topic/31485-will-we-see-another-ace-combat/

From what I skimmed and for the people who don't want to go through the entire thread; it seems that they would have liked to be in the $800,000 to 950,000 mark for them to make another AC game. As of right now and on a extremely inaccurate website for how many sales they've gotten, it's around 750,000.

>>7445438
Wikipedia says over 470,000, but with a [citation needed] tag...

>>7445434
It rustles my jimmies regardless.
Also my past experiences were BLACK SCREEN BLACK SCREEN BLACK SCREEN, and of all the things I could dump into, this is one I just didn't find worth entertaining.

>>7445447
That's really not good. From finally taking a more through look at the thread. The developement team are expecting $1.2-1.5 million in sales. If that's the case then I'm not sure how long it'll be until the next tim we see a Ace game, sadly.

>>7445456
The games don't really print money, nor do they really have any market power.

6 was a wakeup call for that.

>>7445438
But thats a good thing. It sends a strong message that MW westernized AC was shit, and unpopular.

Hopefully this will mean remakes of 4/5/6/0, or another real AC game, and an end to the AH bullshit.

>>7445463
If that's the case then I don't know if it really woke them up with out things are panning out with AH.
>>7445470
To my understanding and from looking at other similar threads on this site. It seems like if AH didn't sell well they would stop making AC for an extended amount of time and put the team on different projects.

>>7445470
>But thats a good thing. It sends a strong message that MW westernized AC was shit, and unpopular.
>Hopefully this will mean remakes of 4/5/6/0, or another real AC game, and an end to the AH bullshit.

I'm not sure which is worse, the part where you forgot that 6 was a wakeup call for them that led to AH (and thus implies AH doing badly = AC getting shitcanned), or the part where you want to continue the endless rehash generation.

Oh god it really is lose/lose now that I think about it.

>>7445470
No. They just need to stop altogether. The series is over and done with. It should have never crossed into this console generation, period.

>>7445483
Exactly, it's a lose lose situtation. If this didn't sell well then they would make another Ace game for a few years, maybe a decade.
>>7445487
Heh, no. I liked to have more Ace games.

>>7445470

>remakes

Oh, joy.

More repetitive shit.

At least AH tried to inject into a franchise that's been growing increasingly stale ever since 4, christ.

>>7445495

>inject life

>>7445499
>implications

>>7445483
It was a wake up call to make a better game, as 6 was mediocre and a DLC fest. IT did not mean "take a shit on what AC is, gut it, mix it with Call of Duty, and pretend the result is still AC (its not)"

Endless rehash generation? No, but those games had style, soul, and interesting narratives, all things that AH lost in exchange for "omg its like we really are in a michael bay film".

To be honest, them not making any more AC, or them just making AH is the same to me, I wouldn't be buying either.

Seeing that I bought every game in the franchise so far except for advance and JA (well, and AH), I would think they should give a shit about whether I still want to buy their games or not.

Or, they could tell me to fuck off, pander to the COD crowd, and see how that goes (which they did with AH, I guess)

>>7445490
You mean "game", right? Because everything after 4 has just been the same game over and over again.

I have no idea what's going on but I found this Tweeter feed on the site and the newest tweet doesn't sound good.

>Go to
http://acecombatskies.com/forum/6-ace-combat/
>Click on the hyperlink below Assault Horizon
>Newest Tweet roughly translates into...
Next week will be angry people together forever and I mean that in: PROJECT_ACES. Smile. << Kono >>

Could be something and could be nothing.

>>7445503

>take a shit on what AC is

Oh, this'll be rich.

What is AC, according to you?

>>7445507
True it's been the same but the narrative is what makes them good.

It's extremely hard to make something entirely different in a Flight Arcade/Sim game. The most extreme being AC3. There's really nothing you could introduce new to the franchise honestly.

The Narrative and stories and emotion of the previous installments were what made them all unique and different.

>>7445510
That tweet means:

Next week, the people that have been working together in the era of what's called: Project Aces will be mad.

It sounds like they are spinning off AC to a western dev or something. Truly the last fucking nail in the coffin.

>>7445516

About the only game that has had a narrative beyond 'one nation invades another, you fight back, 'war is hell' shit happens in between while a few enemies are expanded upon' is 5.

4, 0, 6, X, Xi, AH: Legacy/3D, they all have the same goddamn premise, and execution. Funny that, despite how controversial they've been, it's the games set in the real world that are actually attempting to avert total creative stagnation.

>>7445516
...No. I seriously have never played Ace Combat for the story. They're always TERRIBLE in that regard, aside from maybe 3, which was still pretty melodramatic in parts.

>>7445526
Actually, it could mean they are getting disbanded altogether, but I don't see why that would be announced in advance unless it was tied to an announcement of something else.

>spinning off AC to a western dev or something
You know, I remember reading something on Joystiq a month or so ago saying the people behind the Hawks series were getting a new IP.

>>7445528

And 3, but that only applies for the version that we never got.

>>7445503
>It was a wake up call to make a better game, as 6 was mediocre and a DLC fest. IT did not mean "take a shit on what AC is, gut it, mix it with Call of Duty, and pretend the result is still AC (its not)"
It worked like this

>make 6. It's really fucking Japanese from a cultural perpsective
>America is weirded out by it
>Decide to make it more western. It goes horribly right.
>Fandom goes wtf is this shit!?

Also
>Style
AH had it
>Soul
Ok maybe not here
>interesting narratives
While AH lacked what could be called a story, honestly AC isn't exactly a shining gem in that field.

If anything, it's really campy.

But anyway what I wanted to do was illustrate how you're missing the important part here: 6 was nip as fuck.

5 was too, but plenty of people were easily won over by the loldrama.

But 6 being really culturally Japanese was a problem whose solution was to try and be Western as fuck with AH.

Naturally, that didn't work as planned, and everyone was quick to go HURRCODCLONE (missing the point where CoD only gets shat on once the MW2 no lean controversy snowballed out of control, edgy teenage gamers notwithstanding). Suffice to say, it's very much lose/lose: pander to the same group and continue to stagnate, or try something different and risk losing everything.

>>7445528
3 had a much more complicated story than 5. It dipped into pretentiousness, though.

>>7445528
>>7445531
True, very true but I enjoyed them. I just want to be a fucking hero and fly some god damn jets through tunnels and make myself feel like a bad ass.

Whatever the case maybe, from translating more of these tweets, sounds like Porject Aces is dead.

>>7445531
That's like, your opinion. I played AC for the story (and well, the game), but it was, to me (and apparently to most people that used to buy the game), a complete package.

If I wanted to play derp Clancy planes I woulda picked up HAWX

Oh wait, that went straight to the discount bin.. like AH.

Give me stories full of feeling, epic narratives, and so on.

And yeah, while the premise of an invasion is the same (its a story about war between contemporary countries, there is not a lot of possible variety), the protagonists and actual narratives are QUITE different.

Cept for 6 which was a bit meh, to say the least.

>>7445555

>QUITE different

...Not quite, no. The differences are almost superficial.

>>7445555
I'm sorry that I'm in the minority of people who play games for gameplay. If I want a good story (which AC always fails at) I'll watch a movie.

Right now I'm watching AH gameplay and I have to admit. Some of these new type of missions are amazing. Being able to pilot a fucking bomber? Flying a copter? Fuck yes. This is new and refreshing for a AC game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQIJpiMizsk

But again, where it falls short is the whole DFM thing to me. I dont like the CoD direction they went with.

>>7445526
>Next week, the people that have been working together in the era of what's called: Project Aces will be mad.


IT.

BEGINS.

>>7445562
>Gets angry and sages a thread because someone else has a different opinion then his own.

Are people really getting angry in here?

>>7445568
/m/ practices polite saging... occasionally...

>>7445568
I'm not angry, but I don't think it's worth bumping a thread just to say something that isn't really furthering the discussion.

>>7445543
I'll disagree, and I would say that 5, 4, x, and every other AC I've played was just as japanese.

6 was killed for being at best, average, having a crappy selection of planes, DLC up the ass, and, most important, hopped from the console where RPG's and japanese games sell, to the console where only western stuff sellf (ask ms about their experiments with bankrolling rpgs on the 360).

It was the wrong game in the wrong place and taking the moneyhat to go 360 only was total stupidity.

So they tried to make something that would sell to the Xbro crowd. And failed.

And in the process, they alienated and lost the people that bought every single game of this stuff. The people thanks to whom they have a franchise, you know?

Also, to be honest I don't give a shit about the infinity ward stuff. I wouldn't buy AH regardless of it, I am not interested in "durr war on terror, durr america fuck yeah" shit, or the whole Tom Clancy spiel.

AC worked for me because it was an epic, novel narrative I could buy into. For the rest, I played MW, and "you are a soldier in the great USA" stuff didn't fly.

But again, thats just me.

I wouldn't say continue to stagnate, they made plenty of gems, and if what you are saying is that they can't make gems anymore then there is no reason for them to make games, then.

If you want a reason for the backlash, comparing it with DMC might be better than the IW debacle, nobody really cares about that.

>>7445584
>hopped from the console where RPG's and japanese games sell, to the console where only western stuff sellf

Hilarious that you say this, since my 360 collection is comprised of almost entirely Japanese games.

>>7445584
Nah, 5 was it.
The rest were pretty culturally neutral.


And to be fair, MW actually gives a massive middle finger to America. The whole spiel is one botched hitjob by a British sniper team -> shitstorm that only one Captain Price is allowed to fix in the grand scheme of things.

America not only gets shafted throughout the story, but happens to contribute an antagonist on top of it all.

Really, "america fuck year" is an ignorant way to look at it, even if it's mostly Red Storm Rising: the vidya.

But I'll agree, it's a series of screwups that's only going to convince them that nothing works, and to be frank it sucks.

It's retardation inherent in how the industry works.
Consumer feedback is dead, after all.

>>7445599
Mine is too, doesn't change the fact that most of the games that MS tried to bring over ended up flops.

The whole Mistwalker experiment, AC, Last Remnant and the SE exclusives, and all that were all sales failures of the highest order.

Oh, and ACE 6.

I'm on the same boat, though, I mostly buy Japanese games, but I prefer stuff on the PS3 for the sole reason that my PS3 is a tank while I'm on my third fucking 360, and all the ones of my friends, and my brother have croaked.

I am not fond of that frail pos to put it mildly. Or of live. Anyway.

Ironically enough I don't have a PS3 due to the lack of games that interest me.

The only franchises I'd buy if I owned a PS3 would be the Armored Core franchise, Ace Combat, and Dark Souls. JRPGs died for me around FF8-10 and JRPGs today are just crap besides gems like the Souls series.

>>7445609
It has a pretty good shmup library, though.

>>7445605
Thats a good summary of the story but goes a bit outside of what I meant, maybe I wasn't too clear but what I mean is that I don't give a shit for playing as an American, being in the American army, and have generally a hard time seeing America as the good guys. And the whole "omg terrorists/commies/whatever" just makes me roll my eyes.

I mean "america fuck yeah" as a setting more than the plot.

I just wish they went with what they know. The PS2 era was great, quality games everywhere. These days, I have trouble finding something I want.

And I'm not that picky, either, Halo, Killzone, whatever? Sure, I'll give it a shot. RPG's? bring em!

But I prefer the quality and type of narrative that was present in Japanese games, details like the flour and fruit in the boat in MGS2 exploding, Resident Evil 4, all the weird, cool shit in DMC, and MOTHERFUCKING RAZGRIZ.

And that all seems to be going in favor of pandering to a western crowd that doesn't care for any of that, and doesn't buy their games anyway.

They just make it so I won't, either.

>>7445622
It'd be neat if we could play as an antagonist pilot in a Ace game. All of our allies and our wingmen become our enemies and they're considered the enemy Aces and such?

Think it'd be cool.

>>7445609
I have three 360s and none of them are dead. One is an old US model, one is a new US model, and one is a new JP model.

I have a slim PS3 as well. I never play it, though, because it doesn't have a lot of games that I care about that aren't multiplatform. Mainly, it's lacking the massive shmup library that JP 360 has.

>>7445622
It's a follow the leader moment.
Honestly I just try to disregard the generic surface packaging whenever AH comes up and try to at least look at what it did right/wrong under the hood, where it really counts; once you strip the modern day conflict covering away, it's clear there are some good things about the game, as well as some other things that could be improved as well.

The packaging is a superficial detail that either attracts or turns away people for shallow reasons.

But to get to the point it's a phase in entertainment media where in order to minimize risk everyone plays follow-the-leader.

And it's not like the economy's been that healthy recently, right?

>>7445622
I just realized that Japan is very solidarity, while the US, is not so. Most Japanese have no trouble with something that supports Japan. More than half of American's have trouble with something that too extremely supports America (is too right wing), and most Canadian's don't buy it either.

It could be a cultural difference, but for instance, the day I saw the retarded "The future war on terror" marketing for Deus Ex 2, was the day I knew that was gonna be a huge flop.

Especially these days it is hard to have plots that won't alienate the left, or the right, and I would wager that there are more left wing Japanese game players than right wing, and anything supporting the American military is too right for some (most?).

I think there is in general fatigue with the war on terror and all such bullshit and the people wanting good entertainment have trouble biting into that.

Some generalizations, but they might as well be true. (on the left and right, I will say that the people that get MW, COD, the tom clancy stuff, and so on, are pretty right wing, and not that interested in Asian stuff, anyway)

But its just a theory and I have no data.

AFAIK HAWX was/is a flop, so I doubt AC developed by that team would do any better than AH did. Making it even more "American" is not the way to go (I don't think)

>>7445640
I think giving them the current AC engine and loaning the Namco Sound Team would get them places.

They just need to think outside of the box in place of ACES, really.

Also the Japanese-solidarity thing is kinda funny, because I swear that's the exact theme that 6 preaches.

Where in other games there was a focus on the individual player character whose feats struck fear in the hearts of the enemy, 6 was more or less YOU ARE NOT ALONE and put more focus on people coming together as fellow humans regardless of nationality.

And that's why it's incredibly Japanese.

>>7445640
Holy shit do I agree with you. I hate this America Fuck Yeah games. I mean shit, I'm American and I can't stand it. I always manage to face palm when I see or hear it.

Honestly I've aways expected to see Project Aces have a Ace game where you play as an Asian or German/Russian character then an American character.

Hell make the Antagnoist American and the man bad guy be called David Joe or something.

>>7445654
See, that's the other problem.
Seems Japan doesn't like snubbing America all the time.

It wouldn't go over well, having an anti-American slant.
It'd breed more of that "hurr durr butthurt over WWII" bullshit.

They need to distance themselves away from nation-allegories for a bit, I think.

>>7445663
True but how would one go about doing that? The Ace games are all about countries fighting each other, you know?

I mean... they could go the AC3 and Armored route and have different factions of companies and business suspiciously backed by countries maybe?

If they did it correctly it could work. You know... they could have certain factions you could join pertaining to the things you need to do in the mission. Every once in awhile you get a communication from one of these companies asking you to do certain things. Like in Armored Core.

Pending on the faction route you take grants you access to certain aircraft pertaining to that company and the country backing it. Similar to a Froza or Grand Trusimo game where you decided to ether take a European route, American route or Asian route in the cars you're rewarded with/

>>7445663
And so, we land at strange real!

In this happy, magical land, we can be the Razgriz squadron, fight in pretty European or even American-like scenarios, everyone buys it, everyone is happy, it alienates nobody, and we get some sci fi super weapons that wouldn't "fly" in a super realistic setting.

Gentlemen, we figured out AC. And well, gone full circle. That might very well be the reason AC had the settings it did before AH.

I see your point with the you are not alone thing. I dunno, I felt it was too plain, but it might be what you say, I was one of many and not the Demon of the North Seas, might have been the problem.

>>7445681
Space aliens.

C'mon anon, tell me it's a bad idea.
...you can't, can you?

I never liked the fictional world setting of the old games, but AH handles the real world setting kind of sloppily. They should compromise and go the Area 88 route, which takes place in a fictional nation, but it's still the real world as a whole. Hell, that's the way the first couple of games were presented, anyway.

>>7445686
Nation-allegories is what Strangereal is, you baka.

I'm saying to ditch that and think of something new...

>>7445691
Oh we could do that.
I would love that so much.

>>7445690
Nah, nothing like Aliens. Fuck that, I don't want to play Independence Day. However... maybe some of these factions are backed by other worldly humans? Like Raxpheon or that new mech series with that all female cast?

It could be right before the events of AC3.

>>7445690
>Project Aces does Yukikaze
I'm throwing my money at the screen but nothing is happening.

>>7445663
>implying even Murrcans don't love to hate Murrca

>>7445681
To add to this, they could have a fantastic multiplayer. Hell, go ahead and copy AC5 and have different waring nations going at each other. Still with choosing Helicopters, Bombers, and Jets.

If you want to go on your own, like a Raven or the Demon Lord you could get together a clan of Mercenaries and be paid to represent a faction/country.

>>7445698
You should read Yukikaze.
It's actually pretty cool stuff, nothing like what you have in mind.

Aliens invade, humanity temporarily unites to force them off our world... only to take the fight to another planet. 30+ years later, Earth's not really giving much of a fuck, and the military force they've got on that other planet is fighting for its life against a force it doesn't really fully understand.

Shit's great.

There was a Yukikaze game on Xbox, but it was apparently pretty slow paced.

>>7445719
It was more simlike, I believe.
Flying missions based on a given flight plan and whatnot.

I think there was a PC port of it too...

>>7445716
Is it a manga or book? Sounds interesting but I'm not sure if want.

I'll simply agree with you and other /m/ Anons. It'd certainly be a refreshing route for Project Aces to make a game thats fully influenced by this story you're talking about.

>>7445727
It's a book, that also has an OVA adaptation.

But the book is what you'd want to read.
The story itself focuses on a strategic recon pilot in the Special Air Force - 5th Squadron, as well as the sentient plane he operates, the SAF personnel he has to deal with on the ground, and an alien entity that cannot into understanding humans.

If you can open epub files:
http://www.mediafire.com/?14cun29mjedjz4v

Checking out the actual video game of Yuki. In all honesty they should just make this series instead. Aliens, another planet, have our planes but a tad more futuristic.

I guarantee they'd have sales if done correctly.

If not Project Aces then have the people behind Z.o.E do it.

I'm going back and forth of this AH playthrough and the Yuki game. An updated Yuki game with the playstyle of a Ace game and upgraded visuals and story sounds amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lzLnkghWig
Compare with and watch along side of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpFJNYvYIOY

Going to read the book that you provided ELLIPSE and then check out the OVA.

>>7444963
This entire thread
BAWWW MY MAINSTREAM CAUSALS BOUGHT A GAME

Assualt Horizon sold very well, it sold a bit more than 500K copies, which for a non big market game is HUGE, and it still sells decently well.

Its pretty fun honestly, and it has a better story than most ACs (but most AC stories are fucking... asinine at best, ripoff of Anime worst (when we have plots straight from 0083, having a terrible Baby's First Tom Clancy story is better, because at least everyone has decent modiviations, and the superweapons aren't sci fi DEATH STAR TRENCH RUN shit in a "semi realistic" flight simulator.

Also, helicopter combat is glorious, why you all hatin?

I'm down with the Yukikaze game. Also agree with the America fuck yeah sucks as a setting thing. I argue about that enough IRL. I dont want to kill russians or sand friends, and the crude caricatures of them are something I can't buy.

I don't want to argue for a pull out, oil is blood and all of that shit in my entertainment.

>>7445686
You seem to think that real world = realistic setting. That simply isn't true. You can have real locations without sacrificing sci-fi elements. People have been doing it for decades.

>>7445771
DOWN HERE WE LIKE OUR STORIES TO BE BLATANT HOMAGES OF AREA 88... wait, that's just me.

And superweapons are totally justified, the games aren't flight sims, they're arcade flight games.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE GOD DAMMIT.

>>7445784
>they're arcade flight games.


Also I should mention the "Area 88 did it" part that totally justifies anything Ace Combat does because fuck you that's why.

No seriously, I can dig up that land-carrier from the manga to prove my point here.

>>7445776
Hell, JA had more superweapons and had them appear earlier in the game than any other entry of the series... and it's a real world setting.

>>7445794
Im actually curious myself what and how many homages to what series, movies, books they've done in the Ace series.

>>7445784
area 88 is a giant alegory for the history of Israel, and its involvement in war, it literally only makes sense both unit wise and plot wise.

(and I find it dumb that you say I LOVE ARCADE FEATURES yet hate the most arcade-like feature, DFM, which is straight out of modern arcades.

Also, buy the damn book you pirates, I like novels like Yukakize being translated, so buy and don't pirate them, Amazon has them!

>>7445799
>>Not Nuclear Bombs
>>anything like ANTI ASTEROID WEAPONS or Orbital Platforms
literally, wat. Supreme What.jpg.

Also, for those saying HURR to Modern Warfare, the big twist of Black Ops is literally mocking the logical implications of the main character being RAR AMERICA, so for those who say things like HURR ALL SHOOTERS = USA, you clearly don't play enough games to actually be valid commentators on these things. Actually play things before criticising them, or you are literally the shitposters, just like the ones in say Toku threads.

>>7445807
I actually like DFM a lot.
I just find it to be too easily abused.

Also if we really want to play the buyfag game...

Besides, we don't give out Good Luck Yukikaze for a reason~
BUY THE DAMN BOOKS YOU PEOPLE, THERE'S STILL UNBROKEN ARROW LEFT...

Guys Guys

What if, Ace Combat becomes TOO DEEP FOR YOU?

>>7445807
Fuck Israel.

Either way, this is what was meant when said that right wing bros would like shit like this.

>>7445837
>calls me right wing
you don't know me bro, don't say shit like that
literally the entire plot of AC5 is pretty much saying ULTRANATIONALISM OF ANY KIND IS BAD.

>>7445856
You are the most right wing fuck I have seen in this place, and afaik are in the fucking military.

But that's neither here nor there. I will just say my tastes are wildly different from yours and I disagree with your opinions.

>>7445822
>playing CoD still
>bothering to play the single player
>actually paying attention to the shit awful story

0/10 see me after class

>>7445856
I thought 5 was
>PEACE SOLVES EVERYTHING!
>ALSO NUKES ARE BAD.

>>7445865
Apparently you just don't know what "right wing" and "left wing" actually mean.

By the way, there's also a middle ground between the two. It's not just one or the other.

>>7445865
He's aggressively military.

Right wingers are religious crackpots.
The more you know.

>>7445873
>By the way, there's also a middle ground between the two. It's not just one or the other.
Not according to John Ashcroft. I kid, I kid.

>>7445873
Right wing : *insert country* fuck yeah
Left wing : peace love and understanding if you disagree we'll beat your face in

at least that's what you see on TV

Now now boys, don't let this thread devolve into a political shitstorm

>>7445584
>6 was killed for being at best, average, having a crappy selection of planes, DLC up the ass, and, most important, hopped from the console where RPG's and japanese games sell, to the console where only western stuff sellf (ask ms about their experiments with bankrolling rpgs on the 360).

The original Xbox was the home of console mecha games, and so far the 360 has been keeping with this trend. With that in mind it actually makes a lot more sense for the ace combat series to be on the xbox platform rather than play station. The only reason the ace combat games were even on the ps2 in the first place was because the first three were on the ps1, which is a completely moot point for every country outside of Japan.

>>7445873
Nah, everyone likes defining themselves as "center" and everyone that is not them as "right" or "left".

I have seen Naval post and he strikes me as pretty right wing, but seriously, fuck him, the thread is for discussing AC, not attention whores who can't into anonymous.

>>7445867
I pay attention to the single player only because most multiplayer is infested with 10 year olds, and I have to play with bros I know or else face say /v/ or more likely reddit pubbies.

I'm morbidly curious why you think I'm so right wing, because I'm not KILL ALL ISRAELIS DRIVE THEM INTO THE SEA (ain't happening, israel needs a one state policy because there is no way as of now, or literall ever can the territories sustain a nation when Israel controls such an absurd portion of what a modern state consists of, in fact, the two state solution says APARTHEID WAS RIGHT GUYS, BANTULANDS FOR EVERYONE, when the one state solution would force a modern multinational state to form, which is a better idea rather than bantulands, and unsustainable ones at that, like Palestine before England fucked it up, and imploded post WW2. My leftism isn't dumb and optimistic, its based on past lessons and learning from the massive failures of the soviet union, and the rise of places like China. Petrostate based leftism like Venezuela are flashes in the pan, since Peak Oil is a highly likely thing to happen, Brazilian leftism is another model.

So please, shut up before I school you because I've been doing this for wayy too damn long.
>>7445870
Fucking brain, I meant AH,

>>7445867
Hey.
Fun things are fun.

And there's no story in CoD, just a series of events that may or may not be based on real-life stuff.


I guess Black Ops is the odd one out, but whatever.

I can only wonder if things improved or declined by leaving the WWII-game fad...

>>7445879
How does it feel being the cancer that destroyed western civilization leftist fag? Don't worry, America will always be there to bail EU out.

>>7445890
We replaced WW2 with IN THE NEAR NOT IRAQ/IRAN FUTURE. You pick your poison, and hope that cyberpunk becomes popular i guess?

>>7445887
The original Xbox was the home of PC ports and Western games. That has little to do with Japanese games, and AC is, very Japanese.

IT did about as good as most Japanese games have in the 360, especially early on. MS convinced Bandai to make it 360 exclusive, it was a terrible choice, it was not a game capable of selling systems, and its audience was buying the OTHER system (because the games they liked were on that!)(or maybe because 360 quality is notoriously shit and they have a thing for self destructing)

>>7445901
I actually kinda like the near-future / modern-day setting, mainly when it isn't corrupted by future sci fi bits and actually takes a very down to earth approach to things.

Which explains why I like Gasaraki over VOTOMs, I guess...

So yeah, feels good not being bothered by this, I guess?
Man, if only there were more planes...

>>7445888
>Nah, everyone likes defining themselves as "center" and everyone that is not them as "right" or "left".

Uh, no, not really. It is entirely possible to share views with both sides on different issues.

>>7445889
Do you ever close your parenthesized statements? Or is that just a thing you do.

>>7445912
I'm writing multiple thoughts, so I gave up on closing it.

>>7445911
Well yeah, its fundamentally human and logical.

>>7445889
The fun thing is that the right wing Israelis favor the one state solution these days too because they get to keep ALL the land, and the Palestinians get to stay rightless cheap labour.

When I feel idealistic I like supporting one state thinking well, maybe theyll figure out that all people are the same, everyone will have equal rights, and peace in our time.

Then I read the JPost and see that the average Israeli doesn't give a shit about any of that and wants a religious state much like Iran, cept Jewish, where only people of a given ethnicity/religion gets rights (unless they are a tiny minority!) less they vote themselves equal and destroy the "jewish character".

And then I realize that its better to separate them, give all the WB and gaza and a corridor to the Palestinians, and get a multinational force to keep Israel inside its fucking borders and away from everyone else's stuff.

On the whole, I think partitioning the land to hand it over to European refugees was a terrible act that should not have happened, and Europe and America should fix, however.

>>7445908
It'd be nice to have the Yuki setting and feel but not so far into the future as it represents. Maybe a AC game set just before AC3 but with a defining futuristic feel, you know? Think it'd be a nice way to test the waters and see if they should do more.

>My face when I just want to feel like a bad ass again and have legions of fighters screaming for me to stop shooting at them and calling me a Demon/Grim Reaper and fly through some tunnels and have 200 fighters on my six.

>>7445879
>he doesn't know that you can't be pro military and leftist

If you want to defend your people, and your ideals without force, go ahead. Its one of the things I found amusing about some Gundams (Wing, 00, and SEED D was honestly the worst about it) was the idea of PEACE AND LOVE but they had to admit, having a kickass giant robot helps. Having nice ideas without the force to defend them is little more than garbage. That's why I liked the conclusion of Endless Waltz, it admitted that "What's this? The People actually have to stand up for their rights rather than wait for an idealistic leader to magically grant them?"

>>7445925
Last I've heard, the only people who care about a religious state are the deeply-religious folk.

I've heard Israel's pretty secular, outside of some fucking weird ultra-orthodox clusters. Like "I will pelt your car with stones for driving by me during the sabbath" ultra orthodox.

The ones who get draft-exemptions, too.
Fucking trolls, the whole lot of them.

>>7445889
>when the one state solution would force a modern multinational state to form

You don't know shit about the arab-israeli conflict do you? The two state solution is NOTHING like apartheid south africa because currently the Arabs exist in a stateless nation. If anything, the current one-state solution Israel operates is a lot more like apartheid south africa with it's tiered citizenship based on race and religion. The Palestinians refuse to let Israel get their way because Israel is a JEWISH state. It's official religion is Judaism, it's official language is Hebrew, and etc. The Bedouin arabs who do cooperate with Israel are treated as second class citizens, and so would the Palestinians if they bowed down to the Israel. I know you like to think Israel is like the rest of the western world, but it is frankly not. That is why a two state solution with the UN mandated borders is the only way to a possible peace. It's because of blind retards like you that make me glad Israeli support in the US is plummeting.

>AC thread
>turns it into hurrr durr politics

faggots, the lot of you

>>7445932
Everyone wants a "Jewish state" they just debate over "how" Jewish. Spitting at priests/arabs/whoever they feel like, lately even IDF is also a popular thing religious people do.

Either way, a state for all its citizens like the US/Canada/what you think when you think democracy is something that nobody, even the left wants.

Those Ultra Orthodox also get money from the govt to do nothing but "study" the Torah, too.

>>7445935
It keeps happening.
So I'm gonna post this ACZ godhand-edit as a solution.
>Implying the one for 5 is better, implying HERE COMES THE SNOW isn't leagues better than the latin chanting that opens up Unsung War, etc etc

>>7445932
Israel is a secular state true, but even the average Israeli citizen refuses to give up things like Hebrew being the national language, Jewish religious holidays being state holidays, and etc. Just because they don't want to live in a theocratic Jewish state doesn't mean they want to give up their state's Jewish identity.

>>7445925
israel was a terrible idea, but you can't remove nuclear armed states with 5+ million people. Literally their military is the most advanced besides... Turkey in the region, and they have thermonuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons change a state. You want to send an army into Israel? Do you have weapons called GUNDAMs, Armored Cores, Mazingers? Because you literally can't stop that shit with words. Focus on Economic warfare if you can't use weapons.

(Also, the religous extremist element in Israel is small, just votes heavily.)

The big problem with this corridor.. who wants to try and take on F-16s, a battle hardend army that has trained for the battle from all seas and sides ever since 1967.

Fundementally, the only way to reform Israel is through political action and reconceliation, along with ecomic warfare if needed. There is no way to use military force without some sort of Gundam style magical machine, or access to a Time Machine.

Will you people take it to /pol/ instead of inside a Ace thread please?

>>7445935
And this is why strange real is better than real world setting, no baggage.

>>7445943
>implying Belkans are any better

It totally has the baggage.
They just consolidate the negatives into the Belkans...

>>7445942

Or better yet, make Ace Combat not /m/ and /pol/-related instead

Just kidding, lol

>>7445941
America not vetoing every resolution calling Israel on its bullshit, and turning a blind eye to settlements and disposessions happening under the guise of "peace talks" would be a start.

Doesn't need Gundams, either. Sanctions did great against South Africa, another racist state.

>>7445943
>implying all the nations in AC aren't just stereotyped versions of real ones

You're a funny guy. I've seen AC political discussions before.

>>7445943
THIS

but then again strangereal can be just as bad when people start talking about allegories to real conflict instead of just enjoying the damn game.

>>7445946
>he thinks Ace Combat invented Belkans

laughingnanohas.jpg

>>7445957
Hold on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nf-NkV84q8

Obligatory.

>>7445934
So, Palestine gets what, the shittiest fucking land, no control over any airspace, water rights, walled in like animals? The two state solution gives the Palistineans crumbs and makes them permentnetaly enslaved to the UNAID/Israel's wishes, and pretty much permanently issues that the pseudo war state will literally never end.
The fundemental problems with the two state solution are that Israel will honestly never accept a viable palistinian (as in able to exist on its own as a nation state) nation for at least.. 10 years, and the Arab spring did not help things. I hope politics change there and make me a liar, but it does not look like its possible

>>7445940
You can hover much as it bothers me, have a state with a "religous identity" that tolerates and accepts religous minorities, though the joke about Israel is that long term the arab birth rate will make Israel Palestine either way, so more or less this issue will have to be settled by the 2050s, or it will be fun to be an old man and watch the news of that era!

/m/. Ace Combat and Israel General

Balkan =/= Belkan. No relation, move along.

>>7445959
oh wow, I thought they took down that video ages ago

>>7445950

being serious here, what reason is it that America basically goes out of its way to bend over and let Israel bum-hump it? If they supported Palestine, wouldn't that do a fuck-ton for their public image in the middle-east? Inb4 Jews run things behind the scenes.

>>7445968
Cold War, most likely?

>>7445946
It'd be fun to play as a Belkan rebel or something. Just sayin.

>>7445968
We pretty much have Israel as our nuclear secondary along with Turkey, (we had nukes in Turkey for a while till the Cuban Missile Crisis). Israel along with Saudi Arabia are our middle eastern oil gaurenteers (In the cold war, with Egypt in the Soviet camp, the US needed a way to insure that we had the Suez always open, and a way to fire short (pre ICBM) range missiles at the heart of the Soviet union, combined with collective guilt at what we let happen during WW2, combined with a touch of "We need Israel to let WW3, and JESUS RETURN, AMEN" votes from the Solid South block leads to Israel support.

Politics: multidimensional chess.

>>7445968
>Inb4 Jews run things behind the scenes.
nope, just very convincing lobbyist

>>7445968
AIPAC. The Jewish lobby controls campaign contributions and Washington in general. Look at what happened with Obama's dispute with Netanyahu (when he mentioned 67 borders) and how quickly they made him back down and suck Netanyahu off.

Until Israeli support in the Us dries up (prolly as a result of endless fucking wars to defend israeli interests, Iran coming soon, and the problems that one sided support creates for America) things won't change. There is too much of a political price for not sucking them off, and there is no pay off for not doing so.

Fortunately most Generals are starting to see Israel as a liability and speaking out on it. Running infinite wars for Israel is starting to piss people off.

>>7445968
>Inb4 Jews run things behind the scenes

Of course they do!

They even did WTC!

>>7446000
The Jews run everything.
This is why nothing gets done.
Have you ever seen two Jews go at one another?
It's not a pleasant sight.

>>7446000

But, they did (or were warned about it before the planes hit, at least)

>>7445988
Israel is a fucking insane cannon, but the have nukes so you can't just say things. I'm more annoyed because they fucking damaged the Liberty, but that was in 67.

As long as thermonuclear weapons exist, you won't be able to tell them "Fuck off" though, because thermonuclear weapons make one a big boy at the international table. (There is an alternate universe where South Africa has nukes, and that world scares me.)

>>7445959
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGuTG97C840
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx2bvUp5rro

Why does ACZ intro make everything look better?

>>7446019
Because Zero is fucking awesome like that.

Anyone believe that bullshit about the characters we play as in the AC series besides the recent installments (6 and up) are in fact the same pilot?

Was reading about it on that acecombat website.

>>7445982
>"We need Israel to let WW3, and JESUS RETURN, AMEN" votes from the Solid South block

I am greatly dismayed that a sizable portion of the secular demographic does in fact actually assume this to be true regarding the region in question.

>>7446019
Audio is in english but those have japanese subtitles for the audio. Whats this witchery?

>>7446015
>they fucking damaged the Liberty

Yeah, wtf was that for?

>>7446034
Nah.
I like to fanwank Mobius and Cipher as being the same, but everyone else is different.

Also he must've mentored under Scarface at some point, Blaze was a nugget turned pro, and Talisman was a weekend warrior.

Don't ask how I came up with these things, it just fits naturally for me.

>>7446038
Well 5 had dual language, maybe JP versions retained the dual language thing?
English dub seems to be pretty popular for showcasing Ace Combat, maybe so that they can attract Western attention without totally alienating the local Japanese gamers via subs?

>>7446047
What's your reasoning behind Mobius and Cipher being the same? I'm interested.

>>7446019
huh, the audio in the yukikaze one is from a different trailer than the nanoha and the cockpit version

>>7446054
Just a personal feeling.
I was under the impression Mobius was a bit too seasoned to be a new guy in the ISAF, and Cipher conveniently disappears at the end of Zero...

Also they share a very similar F-15 paintscheme (allegedly based on some aggressor scheme used by Japan, if I'm not mistaken), and the F-15 is Cipher's iconic plane...

At the same time I've recently begun to adopt the belief that Mobius isn't as good as people like to hype him up as, because his two biggest enemy fighter kills, Yellows 4 and 13, both suffered from mechanical failures with their planes.

It's not an accomplishment shooting down a Yellow with a broken wing, after all...

>>7446068
sure but he made his name before he shot down 4, taking down the (broken) 4 just made him legendary. he didn't shoot down 13 until much later.

>>7446068
Good God. Never looked at it like that. Damn maybe Mobius wasn't as "good" as we once thought.

I remember now, I thought Yellow Squadron were more... how to put this... "human" then Mobius. If that makes any sense. The Yellows seemed more "nicer" then Mobius

>>7446068
Rena is superior anyway.

>>7446083
>implying anyone is better than Cipher

Nigga, please.

So how do you like /m/ op?

The thread has everything, game opinion, recommendations, plot discussion, real life franchise discussion, insightful and not so insightful commentary, real world politics, and amusing derivative works, all in an air of camaradery and a lack of overt trolling or name calling.

>Dat feel

Oh fuck, my bad.

>>7446082
I always thought that we were playing the bad guy in 4, there was that one mission near the end where you get to shoot down a fleeing general.

>>7446100
Its amazing. Probably the longest living AC thread I've ever been on. Ever.

>>7446105

>>7446092
phoenix/scarface-1

so anyone actually played the 3ds AC game yet? how is it?

Why is it AC3 seem to have the most options, replay ability and customization but all the other AC games lack it

Why the fuck did they not keep going with those ideologies?

>>7446128
3 turned out very weirdly.

Consensus is that it was a tad bit too ahead of its time, and that somewhere along the line Namco decided to regress and rehash AC2 come time for 04...

Guys, what if Ace Combat crosses over with Armored Core?

>>7446707

Transformable customizable jet fighter mecha air combat?

TAKE THIS!!! MONEY FINGER!!!

>>7446707
Done right it can be the very best game I've ever played. But that'll never happen.

>>7446707
Wouldn't that be a Macross Variable Fighter simulator?

I want to know more about what you guys didn't like about Ace Combat 6. First Ace Combat game for me so I might be biased though I did play Zero afterwards and I pretty much agree it was better.

I liked the missions in 6 with it's multiple operations going on at the same time and made the replayability fun to do and as well it made radio chatter fun to listen to as your allies cheering for your help in an operation while another operation is requesting assistance as they're getting pounded.

Though yeah the aircraft selection was limited and it was a shame but I guessed it never bothered me since it was my entry to the series and I liked most of the planes in the selection. The CFA-44 was a boss as fuck design though and Dendrobium levels of missiles felt great.

Though yeah the plot was dumb, but I still enjoyed your ally characters and the interactions between them during missions. I still don't get what the fuck was the bank robbing by the tank crew all about and I still think it was retarded but at least it was kept as a side-plot thing