>I of course skipped the final episode due to /m/'s advice
pussy

>>6854494

Watch Begin's Night/Movie Wars 2010 and W Forever before going for the W/OOO movie.

Also, yeah, Movie Wars Core is worth watching it for Skull's backstory.

Oh. Almost forgot.

What series should I start now?

Ive seen:

Black
Den-O
Kabuto
Ryuki
OOO
W

I really wanna hold off on Kuuga for a lil while longer. I want it to be one of the last I watch before I'm all caught up with the decent Kamen Rider shows.

>>6854505
Blade or Agito

>>6854506
Last time I saw someone get recommended Agito the very next poster said to watch Kuuga beforehand.

Sequel?

The last episode tries to explain Wakana's turn, though it's still kinda retarded, she was good all along, she saw the "Earth screaming" in that pit, so she thought his dad's plan can save the world, or something like that.
As for Movie Wars Core, the W segment is pretty good, the OOO segment is pretty bad, the crossover segment is kinda forgettable.

>>6854501
That doesn't even make sense. Keep your comments to shit you've already seen and/or know about.

>>6854494
Saeko's worth to the series really goes down once Isaka dies. When she starts using the Nasca memory she has a little bit of an up on, well, Ryuu and Wakana. But thats quickly dispelled and her "revenge" plot on Ryuu kind of gets forgotten.

Whats left after that is basically just some useless screentime to push Kazu. Or that pool scene where shes discussing Shroud with Ryuu. Other than that, she becomes really irrelavent until her final effort to save Wakana. (Which by the way gets her nowhere really).

>I of course skipped the final episode due to /m/'s advice
Can /m/ ever give a good advice, I wonder?
Watch this goddamn episode. Watch it after a few months, if you want. It is not ruining anything.You are completely okay with Phillip being in Accel and Core Wars movies, but episode where his return is shown will ruin the whole series for you, seriously?

>>6854507

Agito draws a few comparisons to Kuuga but they're not sequels.

Also, watch the final episode. If not for Philip's return, for Shotaro doing badass shit as Joker.

>>6854509
>That doesn't even make sense. Keep your comments to shit you've already seen and/or know about.
Not watching that episode is denial.
You might not like it, but that's how they decided to end their show.

>>6854527
I liked the final episode just fine. Don't talk about shit you know nothing about.

You really should see the final episode; it's really good just for Joker, even if you don't like the bit at the end.

You should watch the Kamen Rider W Returns Accel movie, it's really good. It comes after Movie War Core, which has a great story about Skull (but everything else is dire, don't watch the OOO part).

>>6854507
It was originally intended to be a sequel, but officially it isn't. It has to take place after something LIKE Kuuga, but it doesn't really draw on it at all and you don't need to see Kuuga first.

>>6854531
>Don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
Uh, well, but I don't.

>>6854527

Nah ,I'd rather pick my own ending and use my imagination to fill in the blanks :V ,sure i may be in denial but i'm honest about it

>>6854507

First three episodes have a bunch of Kuuga references. They're completely dropped afterwards and some later plotlines don't even make sense if you attempt to consider Agito a Kuuga sequel. Their connection has also been denied by the main producer of the show, who points out that they take place in an incompatible timeline (Agito started airing right after Kuuga, and takes place in real time according to in series date, but, it's mentioned that it had been 2 years since monsters appeared in the first episodes of Agito).

It's speculated, although never proven that Agito was initially intended to be a direct sequel to Kuuga, and the script of the first 3 episodes was written for Kuuga's police force originally, not new characters, but that has never been confirmed officially.

>>6854494
>I of course skipped the final episode due to /m/'s advice, and judging by the previews i'm glad i did. Looks like it would have ruined the series for me.

TL;DR version: Phillip didn't really "DIE" he was just sucked up into the Extreme memory and Shotaro has had a really hard time carrying on without him

I honestly liked the ending

You not wanting to watch it because of an image board's adivce, is just, retarded

OP here.

Why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a complete different /m/? I made a thread a while ago asking what to expect from W and all I got was "Skip the final ep" and "Agito is a Kuuga sequel, so watch it directly after Kuuga".

>>6854554
/m/ is different at different times a day. Instead of skipping an episode. You decided to give up hours to a show you enjoyed and you can't give it another 25 minutes to watch the last episode?

you don't really deserve to watch W

>>6854554

Because /m/ nor any other board is made of just the same handful of people?

Anyways just watch W's final ep. If you're ok with the movies that came after it then why not watch it?

Agito can be considered a psudo-sequel, it makes some references to Kuuga early in the series as well as the G3 system being based off Kuuga but that's it.

>>6854554
That was some retarded version of /m/. I know, sometimes people advice skipping final episode of W, but I never heard anyone actually recommending to watch Agito after Kuuga.
Yeah, there are some references to Kuuga in first episodes and Agito himself looking like another form of Kuuga, but that is all. Even if I like to think that Agito is sequel to Kuuga, you will be able to enjoy, Agito as much as other even without previous knowledge of Kuuga.
That said, both Kuuga and Agito are great series and I highly recommend both of them, but order of watching is not crucial.

>>6854555
>25 minutes
>Implying people watch the W-B-X intro.

lolno.

OP here once again.

I just finished the final episode and I found myself disliking it. I prefer the sad end an episode before it. Seeing Shoutaro as the Joker was awesome, but the whole Wakana shit was just draggy and when Philip comes back it feels cheap.

Now I feel displeased overall, /m/. You have successfully trolled me.

>>6854582
>Now I feel displeased overall, /m/. You have successfully trolled me.
No, I for one genuinely liked the final episode and didn't feel that Philip's return diminished episode 48 at all. I can see why you wouldn't like it though.

Even if you didn't like that, you should watch the Accel movie for an hour of Ryu punching people.

>>6854589
and Akkiko fucking things up

>>6854594
Yeah, she did suddenly become really annoying in Accel, even though she never got on my nerves in the series, but I find the movie good enough to make it worth it.

>>6854596
probably better ways to put it, but her absolute lack of any sort of faith in Terui, plus the man's a cop AND a kamen rider, try to understand just how dangerous a situation could be, bitch

>>6854582
>People not allowed to have differenciating tastes

I have to ask. Why do people like Den-O? The main character is the WORST Rider I've ever heard of. He gets super powers to fight evil and what does he do? He uses his newfound power to cry and break down a wall with his fist so he can run away. I liked some of the Imagine characters, but the main character ruins everything for me, and the sequences with the train fighting giant monsters is retarded and jarring.

>>6854582
Poor OP, this is what happens when you listen to the children with poor tastes that harp about how good the ending of W is. Being children, they are unable to realize that having a forced happy ending a detriment to the excellent series Kamen rider W is.

I feel bad for you and I hope you enjoy the other W movies as they are excellent as well.

>>6854618

Eh, if anything, W's problem was killing Philip in the first place for cheap emotional impact in episode 48. The way the series was set up, repeatedly showing how being "hard boiled" was actually bad, it could never have ended with "solitary warrior Shotaro".

>>6854612
That crybaby happens to be one of the better actors in Kamen Rider. You do have to give him props for acting 5-6 sets of different character personalities within a few shots. Contrasting that to when Kiva or Yuusless gets possessed by momo you just can't compare to muthafucker face Saito.

>>6854582
I should have posted this before
but the options are
>you loved the sad ending
>dont watch last episode

>you didnt like the sad ending or you prefer happy ones
>watch the damn episode

>>6854629

I thought Onodera's actor did a good job, compared to Wataru's or Tsukasa's takes on Momotaros. But he only got to do one Imagin anyway, rather than all five.

>>6854612
I liked Ryotaro. He was a nice guy, and he had a good character development where he finds his "hidden strenght" and all that.

Den-O hate?

Den-O was fun. Sure the whole DENLINAH fighting shit was absurd, but i'm just glad it was used as much as it was(which wasnt much really).

Takeru Satoh as Ryoutaro was such a spot on casting decision. They really hit it big with him and his acting really stole the show for me. Hana on the other hand had a terrible actress, but Satoh really covered for her in most of the dialogue.

I never really understood why people can sit there and dislike Den-O. Sure, it has shit suit designs and the whole time travel business is never really explained so anyone can understand it, but it was fun. You got a group of Imagins who shined so bright in the series that they could have left out Sakurai Yuuto and it still would have been just as good.

>>6854664
Sakurai wha?

Den-O was fun and extremely watchable. Sure, it suffered from a bad case of noplot and from being milked to death after the fact, but the series itself is, I think, one of the best Kamen Rider serieses.

>>6854672
Certainly one of the best, but I would rank it lower than shows like W, OOO, and Ryuki if talking about the heisei serieses.

>>6854612
Yeah, because fuck, having a character who isn't suddenly a hardcore badass just because they get powers and in fact is actually a shy, quiet person who gets bullied and is more than a little freaked out at the idea of said powers isn't relatable or realistic at all!

>>6854629
My problem isn't with the actor, it's with the character. The only time he's bearable is when he's possessed.

Be sure to watch the movie that is essentially just Accel beating people up.

since this is a Rider thread, no reason to start another just for this

I haven't watched any kamen rider movies since AtoZ, but I've seen people around here saying most of the movies since, from W and OOO and the massive crossover movies, have been pretty awful. What's the deal?

>>6854664

That's exactly the problem, it wasn't "fun" to everyone. Den-O completely relied on the cast to carry out the show, pushing everything else aside. Time travel was just used for characterization, before the final arc. There wasn't much of a running plotline during most of the series, just focus on Imagins, Ryotaro and the victims of the week. Not everyone loved those main characters enough to let them carry the show.

Of course, the people who liked it often really liked it - that's why it was at the same time the series with the lowest tv ratings (until Kiva did even worse) but some of the highest selling DVDs.

>>6854664
They wasted him on Ryutaro. It seemed like he was begging for a possession at times. The greatest actor in all of existence can't make a dull character amazing in Japan.

Back on topic, watch WxOOO for the sake of setting up Accel and Eternal. If you've been watching OOO, just skip over the Nobunaga bit and it'll actually make more sense.

(Though there is a great WTF scene of Cakeboss in a limo with the villain, saying "It's wonderful that you're trying to steal my foundation! Here, have the Birth system! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!")

>>6854715
>and the massive crossover movies,
Those are pretty bad. Usually one part is bad, one part is good and then clusterfuck of action.

The Accel and Eternal movies are pretty great in my opinion though

>>6854717
I know this chart is outdated, but it's all I have

given the noticeable pattern, I'm wondering how Decade W and OOO did. I imagine if they were LOWER, something would have been done by now

>>6854715

Watch the 555 and Hibiki movies, they're really great stand alone movies, though with Hibiki, it could just be my love of Seven Samurai but give em a shot even if you haven't watched the shows.

>>6854715

Most of those comments are more directed to OOO and its movies. The W features have been well received.

Main problem is Movie Wars Core. The W story is generally considered good, if a bit rushed, but the OOO part was just a mess. It wasn't written by the series' writer, but tried to foreshadow the future of the tv show, and just completely failed at it. You've got a random new villain that that has nothing to do with neither the movie itself nor the series...

The crossover part in the end also somehow ended up even more tacked on and random than the one in Movie Wars 2010.

Anyway, the two standalone W movies, Accel and Eternal, have been actually well received generally.

Most of us haven't watched the other OOO movies yet, but they seem to take the same approach of Movie Wars Core, featuring random elements that have nothing to do with anything in the show - so, most people are reacting negatively to them even before watching them due to that similarity.

The reviews of the next crossover movie, Let's Go Kamen Riders, have been fairly positive though - the only problem is that the "All Riders" label seems to be misleading, and it only focuses on Kamen Rider (the original tv series), Den-O and OOO, with every other series getting even less focus than in All Riders vs Dai-Shocker.

>>6854737
my question wasn't about the pre-AtoZ movies, I've already seen these. I'm wondering about the multiple movies released AFTER AtoZ I haven't seen that I've seen multiple people claim were terrible

>>6854742
After A to Z they had
Crossover movie with OOO: W part is worth a watch for Skull backstory, crossover part is cool CGI action, OOO part is a travesty.
Accel and Eternal direct-to-video spinoffs are both amazing.

>>6854735

Decade and W got 8% averages, OOO fell back to Den-O levels (6.9%).

Decade got 6% in the first episodes, but the ratings got higher pretty quickly. Both W and OOO started with 10% ratings in their first episode,s which producer Shirakura attributes to the cameos in the summer movies. W did a much better job keeping those numbers though.

http://www10.atwiki.jp/shichouseiko/pages/15.html

I try to stay away from the crossover movies unless they expand on something I'm interested in. The W and OOO movie was pretty good for the Skull backstory, but other than that it had no Ankh and showed Eiji's overall stupidity. W and OOO teaming up was cool for about 10 seconds, but without Ankh around Eiji feels lonely.

>>6854756
Why wasn't Anky in that movie? I mean, his hand had some screentime but I really don't recall his actor being in it at all.

>>6854759
He was there, but only very briefly. Personally I'd assume it's just the horrible writing rather than any actor-related reason, but I might be wrong.

>>6854759

I think his actor was involved in a play at the time they recorded the movie. There are apparently more scenes with Ankh in the Director's Cut, but it's just his hand floating around.

Ankh was in the movie but for about thirty seconds to tell Eiji he's an idiot. The main plot revolves around Nobunaga. Him and Eiji in the movie are direct foils and so their character interactions are of more importance to that movie than Eiji and Ankh's are. Additionally, the movie used the characters as they were originally envisioned back in/before episode 1 with Eiji having oddjobs all over the place and Ankh being more of a mysterious mentor figure.

>>6854807
Well now, thats a mighty fine explanation. I was wondering why the whole OOO segment felt so... out of place.

>>6854494
>Akiko annoying in Accel
>Showing most /m/ has never been with a girl before.

her attitude is pretty normal all things considered

>>6854819
>Implying women can't be considered annoying because its in their nature.

>>6854819

THANK YOU

SOMEBODY FINALLY UNDERSTANDS!

Speaking of W, did they just let Memory Broke Liar Dopant fall off the building? (W rides Accel scene)

>>6854819
I'm sorry a woman hurt you in some way, but they aren't all unreasonable people.

>>6854612

People who don't like Kamen Rider like Den-O.

I want to get into toku and I guess this a good thread to ask in. What are some good entry shows?

>>6856763
The best place to start with Kamen Rider is not a show, but a movie called Kamen Rider ZO. It's pretty much 40 minutes of condensed Rider.

>>6856763

Kuuga, Agito, and W are all good first shows. They use different elements of the Rider formula but none of them are completely formulaic, all were designed to appeal to people who hadn't necessarily watched a lot of tokusatsu before.

>>6855028
>but they aren't all unreasonable people.
>All

Most of them are. Congrats you found the good one. Not even here, just watch Bridezilla shit, all the crap on WE, Lifetime, reality shows.

Akiko is not as annoying when you watch those stations

>>6856763
GARO is the most impressive. It was aimed at a more mature crowd than usual
Kamen Rider Kuuga for serious drama and good fight scenes
Kamen Rider Den-O if you just want all-around fun

>>6856763
obligatory chart

>>6854494

>Asking if the W movies are worth a watch
Not even an hour of Akiko could justify not watching the W movies. The W movies are the best movies. Even the W half of that crappy OOO crossover.

Go watch Begins Night.
Then see Forever AtoZ immediately if you haven't already, as it was supposed to take place around the end of the series. Then watch the final episode of the series you closure-hating pansy.

Following that, watch Kamen Rider Accel and Kamen Rider Eternal, in any order.

>>6856903
Accel is the best movie
An hour of Kamen Rider HEN--------SHIN punching people

>>6856910

You know, I honestly found a lot of things bothering me with the Accel movie. But I might just be overthinking things and I'll give it another look-see this weekend.

>>6856910
And getting punched.

I loved them both but Eternal's took the cake for me. Be a memory nazi, set people on fire. Rinse, lather, and repeat until terrorists kill terrorists and people die when they are killed.

>>6856914
And Jackie Chan Jinno!

I loved the last episode.

Watch Kiva next, it is amaaaazing.

>>6856953
THISTHISTHISTHIS

http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=185416
http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=223639
why are there 2 versions of this movie? which one should I get?

>>6857208
Second one is Director's Cut version with some added footage. You can't go wrong if you download this one.

W was probably one of the few endings that left me legit feeling sad.

The white inner monologue screen, Phillip coaxing a crying Shotaro, Shotaro manning and finally, Phillip cracking just as he dissapears.

One of the better endings in Heisei. Easily up there with Kuuga, Blade and OOO.

>>6857216
>OOO
>Good ending

>>6857216

>Comparing OOO ending to Kuuga, W, and Blade
>Nope.jpg

>>6857241
Unless you are just denying the existence of the last episode, yes, OOO had a considerably better ending than W.

>>6857244

"Considerably"?

I'll give one thing to OOO's ending, it used the supporting cast much better than Double's. But, come on, OOO's ending was extremely rushed, senseless (with the medal counts suddenly having no effect in a Greeed's powers in order to make the plot work) and rendered several previous plotlines entirely pointless.

The only reason people hold it in a significant positive regard is because they "killed" Ankh.

>>6857241
>>6857234

Opinions.jpg

I think after seeing about 15 toku shows, I can decide for myself what I consider a good ending.

>>6857260
I say considerably because W's actual ending was sub-par, not because OOOs was mind-blowing.
Rushed (even worse than OOOs, which i agree was rushed as is), tension from the previous episode killed in an instant, and a shit-tier final boss (character wise) whose only purpose seems to be to undermine the Sonozakis (actually decent characters) simply to remind you that there's some spooky organization SO AMBIGUOUS that they fail to have any real significance beyond "where does the money come from?". Hardly worth wasting the final boss on.
The presumptuous lead-in to OOOs didn't help ether.

>>6857264
So that makes your opinion a fact then?

>>6857293
No, it doesn't make it fact, it means you can express whatever shitty point you guys are trying to make but still not be swayed. I'm okay with you guys debating over which ending was better for W or OOO. But don't think your opinion has just as much credibility as the rest of us. Current toku don't hold a water to anything made in the past, it never has and it never will. Thats an opinion, if you loved W, whatever, if you loved OOO, whatever, but if you scrutinise Kuuga, I'm on to you.

>>6857295

And people somehow don't have the right to do so, even if they genuinely dislike it, which is entirely possible?

What I'm getting from you, here.

>>6857277
>Rushed (even worse than OOOs, which i agree was rushed as is)

What? Out of all complaints, I don't see how it was rushed. It's not like they attempted to cram a bunch of stuff into a single episode.

>tension from the previous episode killed in an instant
I assume you're talking about Philip? Fair enough, I guess.

>and a shit-tier final boss (character wise) whose only purpose seems to be to undermine the Sonozakis (actually decent characters) simply to remind you that there's some spooky organization SO AMBIGUOUS that they fail to have any real significance beyond "where does the money come from?". Hardly worth wasting the final boss on.

Well, we got to see more Foundation X and Kazu in the Eternal movie. And the Foundation X related backstory was pretty important for W Forever too.

>The presumptuous lead-in to OOOs didn't help ether.
Eh, the integration of the franchise thing was announced while Decade was still airing. It's not Double's crew's fault that OOO's producer was so lazy or incompetent she didn't bother to coordinate any of the OOO movies with the tv show.

>>6857293
No, it means that's my opinion. It never said it was a fact. There are a bunch of toku show I think are great and a bunch I feel are awful. That doesn't make it fact. It's what I felt while watching it.

Hence, opinions.jpg.

OOO's ending jsut left me with a "wait that's it?" feeling. Granted it tied up stuff pretty well but I was expecting a lil more. The final battles were just very lackluster.

>Arguing about a kid's show