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Can you write in English if it isn't your first language? Or are you forever going to be a peasant? Are there any highly thought of writers with shitty language skills?
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Yes
think of the international audiences of English-speakers in say Europe, it's a good sized group of people to be going after. That's where L T H Chinman makes most of his money.
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I believe English was Joseph Conrad's third language
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>>3992630
Yep. Nabokov and Conrad are both fantastic examples of non-native English speakers who wrote skillfully.
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>>3992637
Nabokov grew up in Russia, but didn't he learn French and English simultaneously? I could be mistaken.
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>>3992562 (OP)
>Can you write in English if it isn't your first language?
Yes, if your writing is good enough.
>Are there any highly thought of writers with shitty language skills?
Gotta say no. Good language skills are the most basic requirement.
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>>3992562 (OP)
Hemingway used to write with grammatical mistakes. Yet, he's one of the most influential writers of all times.
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James Joyce couldn't write in English, and yet look at him.
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Salman Rushdie's first language is Urdu.
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>>3992562 (OP)
I think so. I write exclusively in English and do it far better than the average burger. Minor slip-ups will be overlooked and fixed by the editor or the line editor.
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I'm a translator.

The subtleties of any language will show that you are not native, but other than that I don't see why not.
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>>3992637
Didn't Nabz learn English as a babby and was encouraged to use it over Russian? I might be wrong, but I think read that somewhere.
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>>3992630
i was gonna say this and then liken op to a flying e-penis hole
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>>3992800
Burgers are incapable of writing.
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>>3992832
>Didn't Nabz learn English as a babby and was encouraged to use it over Russian?
No, not really. That's a gross exaggeration meant to foster his 'worldly european noble' image.
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>lived all my life in Norway
>grew up watching tons and tons of 'merican movies
>from the age of 12 and on my thoughts have increasingly been in english
>now, at 20, all my thinking is done in english and only very rarely do I actually think in Norwegian

Kind of strange, but I'm much more proficient in english than I am in Norwegian.
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> Are there any highly thought of writers with shitty language skills?

Obviously all good writers are comfortable expressing themselves and using language, but if you take away all the writers and books with a misplaced comma or spelling mistake, you'd be left with approximately three books. All of them written by grammarians about grammar.
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>>3992952
Landssviker.
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>>3992562 (OP)
Pic related. Think what you will of her writing, philosophy, love or hate it. Whatever. It doesn't matter for this thread. In the end she was a financially successful professional writer and her novels and nonfiction continue to sell to this day. She was Russian born but her success was as an author writing in English in America.
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>>3992952
Heisann, bror.

Something similar here. I even write my personal notes to myself in English. It is part circumstance, part a burning desire for the sheepish, naive Norwegian people to be destroyed and replaced by something better. In fact, please nuke UK, Scandinavia and France. Thank you.
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English is my second language, but I wouldn't waste any ink writing in english. I'd prefer to write either in spanish (fourth language) or french (third language) if I couldn't write in my mother tongue.

English is a severely limited language and only retarded hunckbacks are proud to know english. It's literally (and I quite mean literally) the easiest and dumbest language in the world.
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>>3992997
>financially successful professional

In the end of her life she had to take welfare checks.
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>>3992562 (OP)
> Are there any highly thought of writers with shitty language skills
Shakespeare, McCarthy.
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>>3992952
that's actually super interesting

I was born in Bosnia but only lived there for a year before my family moved to Germany. When I was 4 years old we moved to Australia where I've lived since (am now 22).
From the age of 1-5 I spoke pretty much exclusively German and there are home video recordings of me speaking German (at least as well as any 5 year old can), but now I've completely forgotten it because I didn't practice it growing up.
At school I obviously learnt English, however at home my parents always wanted me to speak in Bosnian with them so I wouldn't forget it.

My thoughts are now 100% English, however every few years I travel back to Bosnia to visit extended family and I find that after about a month or so my thoughts start to occur in Bosnian, which is a weird feeling because I speak it at a 12-year old level at best.
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Joseph Conrad managed to become one of the champions of the English language, yet it wasn't his native tongue.
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>>3993010
>claims English is the easiest language
>simple grammatical errors throughout post
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>>3993010
the language doesn't matter you idiot. unless you are working on lyric poetry
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>>3992932
Oh, I see. Were did you get that info from? Not doubting you, just wanna know. His Wiki page isn't too helpful. So he learned Russian as a kid and then English and French later on or what?
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>>3993010
>italian fag
how do i know? i am italian fag too...
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>>3993021
>Lutosławski recalls that during their conversation Conrad explained why he did not write in Polish: "I value too much our beautiful Polish literature to introduce into it my worthless twaddle. But for Englishmen my capacities are just sufficient: they enable me to earn my living".
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>>3992796
He's a crappy writer though
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Jerzy Kosinski
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>>3994353
That picture looks like a monochrome DMT trip.
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>>3992997
I hated her style.....

But that's just my opinion.
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>>3993015
Hell ya McCarthy's on of my favorite novelists.
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>>3992562 (OP)
How can someone read from that book?
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>>3994251

I read something somewhere that said he learned English quite young.
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>>3994332

He's written at least one masterpiece. That's more than most writers have done.
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>>3994359

It's Keith Haring, yo.
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>>3992637
>>3992832
>>3992932
>>3994251
He learned English, French, and Russian as a kid. He says this numerous times in essays and his autobiography, and specifically mentions that Conrad's case is much different than his own.
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>>3994353
>implying that painting is 2deep


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