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KB Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)09:40 No.733135  
    ZWG Issue 5 is out naow.

    http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com/
    IRC: #ZWG or webchat.freenode.net

    Discuss.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)09:45 No.733140
    yes! finally!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)09:45 No.733141
    You people don't know how to typeset a decent pdf, this zine looks like shit. There are many ways to make it less harsh, and rough.
    >> Caesar !6eppdDWDDo 05/31/10(Mon)09:48 No.733143
    thank you for posting this, Anon
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)09:48 No.733144
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    >Specifically request entry be justified
    >Not justified in final edition
    >> Caesar !6eppdDWDDo 05/31/10(Mon)09:49 No.733145
    >>733141
    i'm sure the zine writers would love your help, sir
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)09:54 No.733156
    Hmm, this was unexpected.

    Nevertheless, issue 5 has been released.

    Thanks for viewing
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)09:56 No.733158
    wow still no errors fixed. why am i not surprised
    enjoy having your stories edited without your permission
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)09:56 No.733159
    >>733144

    I agree. Not justified is very unprofessional and bad looking. This kind of simple things should be on a check list.
    >> scarletisred !EWO1S5XDG2 05/31/10(Mon)09:58 No.733165
    nitpickers fuck off

    Rain by Rankin is pretty good, no?
    >> wat Dave. 05/31/10(Mon)09:58 No.733169
    >Submit something to the zine back at the end of April.
    >Get reply a few weeks later praising it:
    "Really compelling piece. Love the way you paced it, it really keeps your eyes on the page throughout. Small edits here or there. Let us know if you'd like anything added/subtracted/changed before we include it!"
    >Doesn't appear in this months issue.
    > Instead - more bad Kurosawa film reviews and that Gilgamesh bullshit which noone will even attempt to read.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:00 No.733174
    >>733159
    >This kind of simple things should be on a check list.
    Sad thing is this has been complained about for the past four issues, with no resolve in sight.

    But, I shall begin reading the stories sometime later tonight and hopefully creating a tier list which may or may not be 100% agreeable.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:02 No.733177
    >>733165
    Appreciated. zine threads wouldn't be the same without the haters, but actual support is the prefered form of bump
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:03 No.733179
    Fuck off gaiafags, spam your shitty zine somewhere else.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:05 No.733180
    >>>>733169
    we have a month lag in submissions

    you are scheduled for the 6th edition of the zine
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:07 No.733182
    At long last, I'd been waiting for this. Ignore all this crap, I'm always happy to see a project take off the ground
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:07 No.733183
    Justifying a text is a matter of a few clicks...

    How can you forget to do it five times in a row?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:07 No.733184
    inb4:
    >people complain that the typography is 100% shit
    >zinefags say "ok help us"
    >people help them, providing detailed advice on how to make it look good
    >zinefags proceed to ignore them and continue publishing awful-looking crap
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:09 No.733187
    Another Man, by Silas:

    Do people even proof read their stuff before they submit it? So full of syntax errors it makes little sense anyway.

    Haiku, by Rick K. :
    Occasional syllable errors.
    I know people like to be minimal with grammar, but to ommit it completely...
    'Cunt' never scans well. Ever.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:12 No.733191
    >>733135
    Say, what software do you use?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:13 No.733193
    >>733184
    Indeed.
    >> Dave 05/31/10(Mon)10:16 No.733197
    >>733180

    Thanks for the reply, but I noticed when I submitted it, it still said 'Taking Submissions' on the zine's wiki for Issue 5. To be bumped back an issue is quite frustrating.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:16 No.733198
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    >>733193
    >>733184
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:19 No.733201
    >>733197
    Wiki is pretty outdated, to be honest. None of us have time to deal with it, so it rarely gets updated.

    But yes, that would be something
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:21 No.733204
    Why a BY-NC-*ND* license?
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:22 No.733209
    >>733204
    the better question is why not
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:22 No.733210
    sage for bullshit fucking failure of a project
    it's astounding how you guys keep fucking up every issue
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:26 No.733214
    >>733209
    Because someone could make something - say, an animation - out of a story and stare it if it were under BY-NC-SA?
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:27 No.733216
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    >>733210
    illiterate much?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:28 No.733217
    >>733210
    I'm with you.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:29 No.733219
    >>733216

    Your reply doesn't even make any sense.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:30 No.733220
    Wow, you've got a shitty attitude.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:30 No.733221
    Ah, zine time

    we need a tier list
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:31 No.733223
    >>733221
    Agreed
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:33 No.733225
    lol I was just told a few days ago this project was all but dead, but here is another issue.

    Let's see if the submissions are worthwhile.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:33 No.733226
    Witness to the dawn is prettty nice, this guy has one fuck of a long submission if its not over yet
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:36 No.733228
    >>733225
    Really? an unfortunate mix-up. This project shall never die
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:39 No.733230
    the tank

    God tier
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:40 No.733231
    looking good, I'll read through it
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:42 No.733233
    Lindlar quit?!?!? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
    >> sage sage 05/31/10(Mon)10:42 No.733234
    sage
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:46 No.733239
    >>733234
    counter-sage

    >>733233
    Yeah, it was unfortunate. Ah well
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:50 No.733245
    Fuck yea, Josef K
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)10:52 No.733247
    don't forget to spam this on gaia guys, for srs
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:54 No.733249
    >>733247
    Strangely enough, I miss gamergirl.At least that one had personality
    >> Caesar !6eppdDWDDo 05/31/10(Mon)10:55 No.733250
    >>733214
    The problem with the BY-NC-SA is:
    Let's say there is a piece that is submitted to the project that involves a detailed and precise depiction of killing the President of the United States[1]. This hypothetical piece serves less as a piece of fiction and more as a how-to step by step instructional for all intents and purposes. The piece is logically declined from publication in ZWG. The author, however, feels that it should be in ZWG so he goes and "remixes" the original, including his piece. All of a sudden IPs are traced and people in ZWG are arrested and charged for publishing this piece. The entire possible situation can be avoided by using a BY-NC-ND license.

    [1] This example is the first that came to my head. There are of course probably better examples of what the piece could be about. Use your imagination.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)10:58 No.733252
    >>733250
    Aha, I knew I could count on Caesar!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:08 No.733262
    >>733250
    I see the point. It seems quite unlikely that any such situation would arise but I can understand your desire for extra protection (this being 4chan and all).

    INAAL, but perhaps you could then license the stories differently (allow the authors to license them under BY-NC) than the magazine itself (i.e., the layout and compilation)?
    >> Caesar !6eppdDWDDo 05/31/10(Mon)11:15 No.733273
    >>733262

    You bring up a very important point that should probably be understood by all. ZWG itself is licensed (the compilation), but the individual stories are not. By default the copyright of the individual stories are each owned by each author respectively. Let's say that in the future an author who had submitted one or more works to ZWG wants to produce and publish a work which is a compilation of his own stories to sell. Since he is the copyright holder of all of his individual stories written by him, he has every right under the law to do this.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:20 No.733278
    >>733273
    Oh, then I am okay with this. Could I contact you in order to get in touch with an individual author and negotiate a derivative work?
    >> Caesar !6eppdDWDDo 05/31/10(Mon)11:25 No.733285
    >>733278

    Yes, this is possible.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:40 No.733308
    >>733135
    MALAYSIA STRONG
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:41 No.733312
    MALAYSIA STRONG
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:46 No.733317
    christ, you guys REALLY need a competent graphic designer. i can't believe i'm considering emailing you with an offer to help.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:50 No.733326
    >>733317
    Graphic designer would be great but the least they could do is to typeset it all using LyX. It is really simple.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)11:51 No.733329
    >>733317
    our cover artist fled, this was a rough placeholder.

    if you want the spot, take it. e-mail at zinewritersguild@gmail.com , or better yet just get on IRC so we can talk things over
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:55 No.733338
    I'd be amazed if people outside the writers themselves still give a shit about this
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)11:57 No.733341
    Does anyone else think the writing in the zine fucking sucks?

    Good thing it's free.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)11:59 No.733345
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    >>733338
    You obviously do

    >>733341
    If you don't like it, submit something better
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)12:03 No.733352
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    >>733341

    He actually read it!
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)12:09 No.733366
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    >>733352
    Most of these tards are predetermined from the start. A bunch of griping about aesthetics, no real literary complaints

    Yeah, the zine is a 4chan project for sure.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)12:12 No.733369
    >>733338
    Still? You mean "ever."

    These thread have only ever been the tripfags and their sycophants posting back and forth at each other hoping to convince /lit/ that there is actual interest. These threads are 200 bumps, 50 sages, and 50 posts of genuine interest at best.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)12:14 No.733373
    A note about the IRC folks, if you get one please WAIT for a minute if you want a response- we've got several things going on here and aren't checking 24/7.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)12:16 No.733374
    >>733373
    *get on
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)12:41 No.733418
    for curiosity's sake: how many submissions do you receive a month? and how do you decide which ones to put in the zine?
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)12:52 No.733443
    Ah, the nefarious question of streaming.

    Roughly speaking, we receive about 15-20 submissions in a month, so maybe 3-5 e-mails weekly. In the early days there was a rush of anons submitting old work they'd done prior, so we had a jam up of submissions that gave us a lag time of a month.

    We accept about 99-8% of entries
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:21 No.733505
    tell me which ones are worth my time, anon.
    is the Josef K one good this time?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:23 No.733509
    >>733505
    Josef K is always good
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:26 No.733517
    I'm really glad you guys didn't go spastic with the graphics in this issue. The last issue was simply a ridiculously huge file size, and the graphics (while certainly pretty) didn't make that bitch any easier to read.

    I'm probably going to sit down later today and read through this zine. Expect a tier list!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:32 No.733533
    I really don't like your magazine
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)13:40 No.733556
    >>733517
    Agreed, the graphics were a real pain in the ass to format and whatnot. Not only that, they were often distracting .

    but on the other hand they really increased the marketing quality of the zine. I'd love to see a balance of images for future issues if possible

    but the graphic artists vanished into thin air :(
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:43 No.733567
    >>733509
    yeah... It's good but it's a Part I. Blueballs city.
    And given the zine state of things, I dint know if we cam expect an Issue 6.
    >> Turned to Stone !!Pn1m901k0tI 05/31/10(Mon)13:44 No.733571
    Sup, /lit/

    I wrote Samuel Johnson's Midnight Entry, and I'd appreciate some feedback :D
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:48 No.733582
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    Cool cover, ZWG.

    The easiest way to spot an amateur photographer is to see whether or not they like HDR.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:49 No.733585
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    >>733517
    >Expect a tier list!

    Go fuck yourself and all the shitty memes you've ever spat.
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 05/31/10(Mon)13:55 No.733597
    >>733184
    Please send us an email with the subject: "JUSTIFICATION PLEASE" explaining exactly what you'd like us to do. We'll have it fixed as soon as we can.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)13:56 No.733598
    I enjoyed the first story.
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 05/31/10(Mon)13:57 No.733600
    >>733418
    It's mostly "first come first serve," although we occasionally rotate things around if we find ourselves needing a quick one- or two-pager here and there. Mostly we try to space out the really lengthy stories, otherwise people tend to get overwhelmed a bit quickly.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:00 No.733606
    >>733597

    Do you not know what justification means?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:01 No.733608
    >>733597

    Go into the document, press ctrl+a, then ctrl+j. Publish to pdf and upload.
    >> Samuel Johnson's Midnight Entry. Dave 05/31/10(Mon)14:01 No.733609
    >>733571

    It's probably my favourite of the poetry in this months issue.
    I really liked how I found myself almost singing each stanza, it seemed to flow easily and didn't seem to be forcefully 'deep' like some of the other poems.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:04 No.733613
    >>733571
    Great rhythm in the first stanzas, though I felt it wasn't as fluid in some later parts. Overall, pretty fucking good.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:05 No.733615
    >>733585
    So you mad then?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:06 No.733618
    >>733615
    just disappointed that you're killing 4chan and don't even know it
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:06 No.733619
    >>733615
    Yeah, but he's also right. Tier lists are the height of arbitrary nonsense.

    Just tell us which ones you liked and why.
    >> Turned to Stone !!Pn1m901k0tI 05/31/10(Mon)14:06 No.733620
    >>733609
    >>733613

    Danke, chaps
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:11 No.733632
    >>733618
    Relax, bro.
    >>733619
    I plan to do this - along with organizing the stories into a tier list - anyway.

    Tier lists are fine, as long as you provide justification for your judgments.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:14 No.733637
    I stopped reading this after the very first issue when I realised that to suggest there is a dearth of literary talent on this board would be to exaggerate the quality of the authors who contributed. Good day.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)14:16 No.733644
    >>733637
    Judging by the shitty construction of this sentence, I can see your opinion is completely valid.
    >> Josef K. !!mTv2zmHD8dP 05/31/10(Mon)14:22 No.733660
    Hmm...

    Christian Frederiksen submitted some wonderful paintings to accompany "One" for this issue, but unfortunately, it doesn't look like they were included.

    You can see them here if you're interested: http://cfrederiksen.blogspot.com/2010/05/first-part-of-series-of-illustrations.html
    ...along with a host of his other work, which is wonderful stuff.

    Editors, if you do end up revising this issue, would it be possible to include his work, or was the stripped down look intentional?

    And for what it's worth, let me also throw my hat into the Justified Text ring.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)14:37 No.733688
    >>733660
    Argh darnit, I knew I missed something

    as per usual, we'll update the .pdf
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)15:15 No.733774
    So what does /lit/ think of this issue?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)15:24 No.733796
    So I'm almost finished with my first read-through of the zine. Here are my thoughts on the fiction section:

    Agents By Day, Doorsteps By Night - This story got a few chuckles out of me. The writing is simple and keeps it nice and easy to follow. The obvious parody of typical tropes in the spy-thriller genre, while bluntly evident, avoid any degree of feeling forced or pretentious due to their casual implementations. This is probably among my favorite stories in this issue, simply because it doesn't take itself seriously.

    Beyond Baena - Pirates in space has been done before, but this story is amazing nonetheless. The language avoids any unnecessary purple prose or complexity, and transitions very well throughout the narrative. While it's nothing more than a typical dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet, it's an AWESOME dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet. Defiantly worth a read.

    Coldest Night of November - I wish this was longer. I also wish this had more of a plot. However, it's a pretty damn bitchin' atmospheric piece. The author nails down a noir mood to an absolute Tee, and obviously has a great deal of potential. Worth a gander, I'd say.

    Jester's Crown - This is probably my favorite piece in the entire issue. It's short. The language avoids complexity, but is still delightfully colorful. The plot is basic. The message is basic, but hits home very well. There really is no excuse to skip this story.

    One, Part 1 - This is pretty cool. The idea has been done before several times, but Joseph K.'s literary knack for writing makes this crank at an apocalyptic survival story pretty refreshing. I'm looking forward to subsequent installments.

    One Couple's Car Ride - This story was pretty forgettable. The imagery was nice, but the language seemed a bit forced. The writer obviously has potential talent, though.
    ...
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)15:25 No.733801
    ...

    Pictures - It's a nice tale that pays homage to Lovecraft's stuff. It's very well written, and the author manages to create a very interesting plot in a short narrative. I'd say check it out.

    That's what I've gone through so far. If I didn't put your piece up there, it means I simply haven't gotten to it yet. :p

    From what I've seen, it's a pretty damn nice issue overall, as far as fiction goes.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)16:04 No.733973
    >Beyond Baena - Pirates in space has been done before, but this story is amazing nonetheless. The language avoids any unnecessary purple prose or complexity, and transitions very well throughout the narrative. While it's nothing more than a typical dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet, it's an AWESOME dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet. Defiantly worth a read.
    Damn bro, thanks for the praise. Any problems you'd like to see remedied?

    The edit ZWG sent me back was pretty much riddled with corrections. Lulz. This is my first attempt at writing fiction, so any more feedback is greatly appreciated.
    >> Darrin 05/31/10(Mon)16:11 No.733994
    Of the three poems I submitted, only one was given feedback and I improved it. It became the best of the three. But it was fucked up in Issue 4 lol

    Also
    >Chapter Spleen
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)16:12 No.734002
    >>733973
    your incorporation of real-world politics into the plot was admirable, it really made the whole thing feel more realistic. PIrates in space... meh, but well executed.

    Nicely done introduction of the super-weapon missle thing, the ending is a good twist
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)16:14 No.734013
    HAS THE COLLECTOR BEEN SEQUELIZED YET?
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 05/31/10(Mon)16:26 No.734074
    >>733660
    All of our graphic artists disappeared, so we didn't incorporate any artwork or pictures beyond the background images for the section headers.

    Sorry for the error.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)16:30 No.734095
    >>733801

    author of pictures here. Thanks for the praise! I'd
    love more feedback
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)16:33 No.734108
    >>733994

    So Bleached White Pillars is basically a rip-off of Ozymandias?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)16:48 No.734183
    >>734108
    A well-done rip off if it is one.

    I didn't notice the similarities on my first read
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)16:55 No.734215
    Any thoughts on the poetry section?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)17:01 No.734242
    >>733973
    Well, your writing style is fine. Your methods of characterization and story-telling are also top-notch. Keep doing what you're doing, and you're bound to turn into something amazing!

    Oh, and would any of you chaps be so kind as to tell me what you thought of "Rain"?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)17:09 No.734275
    >>734242
    hmm, rain.

    Fairly good characterization of the protagonist, but the plot seemed like an anecdote with nothing much happening.

    I'd say develop other characters, get some actual interpersonal drama going on. Right now its all kind of vague who these "other" people are
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)17:37 No.734388
    >>733796

    >Beyond Baena = AMAZING

    And that's where you lost all credibility for me. It was dollar rag sci-fi and not even well done with too many cliches and stereotypes to be worth the read.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)17:44 No.734426
    >>734388
    Oh, give me a break. I'm willing to bet you skimmed through the first 50 words and dropped it.

    Plenty of stereotypes, but if the reader accepts this for what it is the whole thing is pretty damn good. Impressive use of politics was what stood out to me.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)17:49 No.734448
    >>734426

    The use of politics was uneccesary fluff that had little to no place in the actual story. Maybe you should come up with more legitimate reasons to support this shoddy sci-fi-fap shit than "hurr durr you no read whole thing".
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:00 No.734490
    >>734448
    Prehaps irrelevant, but subtle detail is everything. I liked that, the plot action is sufficently well done as well.

    C'mon boy, prove me wrong. Whats not to like? Cliche? It was reasonable
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:05 No.734505
    Anyone going to review the poetry section?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:08 No.734515
    >>734490

    Oh fuck me, you really want me to be detailed.

    1) The character of the captain? Ignoring the blatant racist stereotyping, it was typically shitty "mad with revenge" combined with a massive disregard for the bounds of normal human behavior (why the fuck would his command keep giving him ships to lose?)
    2) The shitty weapons. "Foster" missiles? Really? And the MIRV nukes? How fucking boring. Sci-fi is about merging art with science to test the bounds of the human condition, not rip-off overused space weapons just to write crappy space fanfiction.
    3) The politics were not "subtle details". It was a stupid ploy at trying to be a space opera that served only to prove how non-creative the author is. Also, why expand the plot/setting that much in the beginning if only to completely ignore it for the rest of the story?
    4) The shitty "hero pirate" trope. Fuck me if it ain't the criminal so goddamn daring that he gets away with it every time with style to spare.

    That enough for ya? I could tolerate the endless similarities/literary deja vu if it wasn't written in such an over-excited, smarmy fashion.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)18:12 No.734536
    Seeing as how the release commotion has died down a bit, I'd like to take this opportunity to advertise that the zine is in need of a dedicated anon willing to illustrate future publication covers

    We only need one anon to fill this role. If interested please contact us at zinewritersguild@gmail.com, or hop on IRC and chat with us.

    We appreciate your support
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:21 No.734566
    >>734515
    open a book with a head filled with preconceptions like that, and you will never enjoy it. No matter what the genre.

    I don't see too many real problems with what you've complained about
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:25 No.734593
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    >>734566

    Please, I'm begging you - leave /lit/ now. Just atl-f4 and walk away before you get hurt. Literature is obviously way beyond your level of comprehension. How about you go play some vidya games, huh? Does that sound nice? Does it? That's a good boy!
    >> Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 05/31/10(Mon)18:26 No.734597
    >>734593

    >Videogames

    No, I know what he needs!

    He needs to go to /a/ and watch cartoons with the other children.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:30 No.734616
    >>733973
    Don't worry m'boy. Great art often provokes controversy.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:41 No.734651
    >>734593
    Looks like I struck a nerve. Temper tanturm so soon? for shame. I had expected more profess even from the underage b& of /lit/
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)18:59 No.734706
    So where is that tier list
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)19:06 No.734737
    >>733230
    Thanks.
    Any more feedback for "The Tank"?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)19:17 No.734781
    >>734737

    don't forget about the Armored personal carrier
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)19:41 No.734865
    >>734781
    Good one, bro!!! ROFL!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)19:43 No.734873
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    >1) The character of the captain? Ignoring the blatant racist stereotyping, it was typically shitty "mad with revenge" combined with a massive disregard for the bounds of normal human behavior

    Things to fix when I edit BB: the apparent racist stereotypes. I tried to make Luo seem like an Ahab kind of figure, but meh. Racist? Because I wrote about teh asians? reactionimage.jpg

    >The use of politics was uneccesary fluff that had little to no place in the actual story.

    This is an excerpt of a much bigger story. The politics were somewhat distant to the point of this particular piece.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)19:48 No.734900
    >>734873
    I have no idea what he found racist about the character... possibly casting them as the"evil chinese"?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:00 No.734963
    Last call for feedback on "Samuel Johnson" before I hit the sack.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:03 No.734982
    The fact that they're Chinese didn't seem to have any bearing on anything, as far as I could see...

    Unless it's racist to have them lose.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:05 No.734988
    >>734963
    interesting, it came off as almost completely neutral to me. Nice idea, fair formatting, but prehaps less dramatic emphasis than could have been.

    but thats a brief look over
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:06 No.735005
    Hey guys,

    Any feedback for "The Dreamer" Parts 1 and 2?
    That was the first short story that I wrote that I actually thought was worth a read.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:16 No.735037
    >>735005
    hmm, it was definitely an interesting read.

    Part .1 was good, part .2 felt a little rushed, but still nicely done.

    Prehaps you should've added more content to round the piece out
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:18 No.735046
    >>735037

    Ah thank you! And yes, I agree with the rushed part. I will get around to revising the ending, to round things off and make it more complete.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:20 No.735049
    Is there anything in this magazine that is good?

    I mean I don't want to waste my time reading through an ocean of shit to finally get to that one clean well put together story.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:26 No.735083
    what a horrible cover
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:29 No.735104
    >>735049
    three writers pulled out of the magazine before it came out because they were editing people's stuff without permission
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)20:30 No.735111
    >>735104
    Slander, I really doubt that happened
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:51 No.735202
    >>735111
    there was a huge thread about it with screenshots and comparisons but you were probably busy spamming ZWG on gaia or something
    >> Globulous !ZOOo.CSHRA 05/31/10(Mon)20:54 No.735212
    >>735202
    Hey, fuckhead. Fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)20:54 No.735214
    Don't let this thread die :(
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)20:57 No.735225
    >>735212
    I owe you
    big

    >>735214
    Prehaps we can archive this thread for a change?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:01 No.735245
    >>735214
    Especially with so little feedback to the authors.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:03 No.735251
    >>735245

    Well, I asked for some feedback to "The Dreamer" and only one person replied.
    Heh, even a crappy tier list would be welcome right about now...
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:03 No.735255
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    ITT
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:05 No.735262
    >>735251
    Always a problem, I"m willing to bet we'll get more feedback as time goes on and people actually read through the darn thing
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:19 No.735308
    bamp
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:51 No.735446
    There's that comment forum... but no one uses it.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:52 No.735450
    >>735446
    Because no one reads the zine.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:55 No.735458
    >>735446
    Well maybe you should fukkin advertise it sometime!! You're telling me there was a way to give constructive feedback without having to dogfight with it amongst all the bullshit on 4chan?

    For fuck's sake, man!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)21:58 No.735467
    I wish all these complaining faggots would just shut the fuck up and read the damn zine.

    This issue is pretty fuckin' sexy in terms of the /lit/ contained within, IMO.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 05/31/10(Mon)22:04 No.735493
    >>735458
    let me step in and clarify this:

    We had a forum up for the last issue, It had some use and was a good idea. Lindlar was in charge of it, and then he quit

    so we're waiting righ now to get in contact with him for one of the other editors to be granted admin status. And yes, it is prudent to start advertising CHANGES to the zine more often.

    >>735467
    yes, the submissions in this issue are generally very well written. Nice to see /lit/ at its best for a change
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)22:17 No.735537
    Ah, so some of you enjoyed "Agents by Day"? Glad to hear, author here!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)22:18 No.735540
    What did everybody think of the poetry section?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)22:45 No.735650
    >>735540
    A nice turn-out, I'm halfway through witness to the dawn right now
    >> Anonymous 05/31/10(Mon)23:38 No.735875
    is witness to the dawn worth reading?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)00:05 No.735997
    >>735467
    Yeah, there's definitely more quality material than in previous issues.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)00:27 No.736102
    how often does this zine come out?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)00:40 No.736160
    >>736102
    They aim for twice a month.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)00:52 No.736210
    I'm actually amazed by the fact that not only is the zine out, but it's actually at issue 5 (which probably means it's thriving, or at least have enough of an audience).

    It's my first visit to /lit/ since... when was it? It was when all this was a plan and people were submitting shit. Again, amazing.
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 06/01/10(Tue)01:02 No.736254
    >>736160
    Not anymore, we don't. We are now on a once-a-month schedule unless we decide otherwise. Issue 4 became a massive clusterfuck at the end that we just didn't have enough time to do properly, which is why it suffered so much. Issue 4 was huge, two days late, and still has too many unresolved problems.

    While Issue 5 has its share of things that need to be addressed, it's certainly a lot cleaner than previous issues.

    For now, we're going to stick to a once-a-month release schedule and hope for the best. We're also much more limited in resources than before, as a number of contributing artists and editors are no longer with us.
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 06/01/10(Tue)01:05 No.736273
    >>735245
    We are (hopefully) working on improving means for people to provide feedback for the authors.

    Nobody wants an actual forum to register on, so we're not doing that.

    There is a comments section on the site, but it's pretty much unused. I believe it also requires registration.

    Generally, the more work we make other people do in order to provide feedback, the less attention it'll actually get. That's also why email is not a great method, because most people don't want to go through that kind of effort. 4chan makes it easy because there's no investment. Unfortunately, it's also quite limited (both in staying power and its ability to allow effective commentary).

    So we're still thinking of better ways to improve audience <--> author communication. If anyone has any ideas, come talk to us in IRC or send us an email. I'm there from 7:30 AM - 4 PM PST.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)01:08 No.736283
    If shit is so huge and you're so short on people... well, ever thought of making it smaller? Be more selective, and focus on quality?... Or are you still emphasizing the participation of anons?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)01:08 No.736284
    >>736273
    Why not just hold irc chats with the authors every month then?
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 06/01/10(Tue)01:14 No.736308
    >>736284
    We advertise the IRC in every thread. It's mentioned on the wiki and on the website. There's not much more we can do to convince people to come talk to us. Also, we're not in IRC 24/7, and a lot of people are in different time zones, so it's not always possible for us to conveniently meet up that way.

    Some people show up in IRC and hang out with us, and that's cool - they often end up contributing a lot of good stuff to the zine (and we probably haven't thanked them officially for it). However, being 4chan, we also get a large number of timewasters who just come in to make fun of us or spam the channel.

    tl;dr: We can only do so much without being too pushy, which would be a P.R. disaster.
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 06/01/10(Tue)01:18 No.736320
    >>736283
    Our primary goal is to publish the work. We've focused on ~90 pages as a good solid number for publication.

    Keep in mind none of us are professionals at this - we're all just volunteering our time to this project because we like to see people express themselves creatively, and we like being part of something that gives them voice.

    Personally, I'll take pretty much whatever help I can get. While /lit/ complains a lot about our mistakes (many of which are very justified and good complaints), we still only have basically two or three of us doing all the compiling in InDesign.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)01:22 No.736338
    >>736320
    Huh. So you did end up using InDesign. Cool.
    Well--I might be able to help with compiling. Had some experience with PageMaker, which is probably not too different from InDesign (yeah, PageMaker, old stuff...)
    Do you want help?
    >> Nick_ZWG !Vw8I404DyQ 06/01/10(Tue)01:25 No.736348
    >>736338
    Come talk to me in IRC some time between 7:30 AM and 4 PM PST on weekdays. I'm on IRC while at work, even if I'm not always at the keyboard. Prolish, Goldensox, and Globulous often hang out in IRC as well.

    Failing that, send us an email, please. Be verbose about what you have to offer and what you'd like to do, and we can try to work something out.

    Step 1: Get a copy of Adobe CS4. Beg, buy, steal - but that's what we've standardized on.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)01:30 No.736359
    >>736308
    > P.R. disaster
    That's grown-up talk right here.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)08:26 No.737405
    >>736273
    Anything you can do to encourage commentary for authors would be great.
    Also, I think it would help to post strong excerpts from the issue in these threads. It would bring more attention to the works and possibly away from the formatting debates.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 06/01/10(Tue)15:42 No.738386
    >>736359
    Indeed
    Hidden bump
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)16:15 No.738499
    This thread is kinda scant on feedback, /lit/
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)16:50 No.738597
    >>738499
    What did you write so we can provide quicker feedback?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)17:11 No.738708
    >>738597
    I wrote Pictures
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)17:45 No.738879
    Author of Rain here. While I agree that feedback is lacking in this thread, we really shouldn't shove it onto /lit/ to do the critiquing for us. IMO, it should be the writers' responsibility to read the zine and provide feedback to fellow authors. After all, what we're participating in is a group effort to release an enjoyable collection of works; and from my point of view, it doesn't exist solely for you to submit something and expect instant constructive criticism with no effort from your end.

    Oh, and just so I don't get called out for being a hypocrite, I was the guy that made these posts:

    >>733796
    >>733801
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)18:01 No.738947
    >>738879
    This would be nice. I've done some critique on here as well... but 4chan shall be 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)18:05 No.738964
    ZIONIST
    WORLD
    GOVERNMENT
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 06/01/10(Tue)18:13 No.739001
    >>738964
    getting a little eager, are we?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)18:15 No.739007
    >>738964
    I bet the Jews did this...
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)20:51 No.739673
    >>738879

    Hey Author of Rain, have you read both parts of "The Dreamer"? Can you give me some feedback regarding it?

    I'll admit that I haven't read much of the last two zines due to schoolwork and other matters, but I'll do my best over this week.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)22:05 No.739940
    Is it possible to get in contact with the authors to give them direct feedback?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)22:15 No.739959
    >>739940
    Most of them have pages on the wiki with email addresses. Who are you looking fer?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)22:38 No.740050
    Awesome, downloadan.

    Screw the haters, it's good to see a 4chan project actually come to fruition.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)22:40 No.740064
    The first story is absolutely ridiculous, in a good way.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)22:52 No.740123
    I just came here from /tg/ and I've never heard of this before, but... would there be any interest in asking any of the writefags over there to contribute?
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 06/01/10(Tue)22:58 No.740148
    >>740123
    Yup, we'd love to hear from you

    send us an entry at zinewritersguild@gmail.com

    :3
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 06/01/10(Tue)23:05 No.740175
    >>740123
    And if you want to ask any of the writefags over there about submitting for us, go for it!

    right now we've got a minor debate going on regarding making the zine a 4chan vs /lit/ project, so I can't really start posting on there myself...

    but on the other hand, anon can do as it pleases. If you catch my drift...
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:12 No.740198
    Every time this thread gets resurrected, one of the tripfags is there to answer a question.

    No, it's not a coincidence.
    >> Prole !XDERDXUpqQ 06/01/10(Tue)23:29 No.740272
    >>740198
    *my cue *
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:30 No.740279
    we are submitting The Penis Was
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:31 No.740285
    I think "The Penis Was" would make an excellent contribution to the publication. Please consider our submission.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:33 No.740299
    >>740279
    >>740285
    Heh, I was considering the possibility

    let me speak with the others, but I'mokaywiththis.jpg
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:37 No.740319
    where is the sci-fi stuff??
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:39 No.740330
    where's the gypsies?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:41 No.740338
    Where are the readers?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:42 No.740339
    >>740299
    show them the thread that explains the poem though, or they might not get it at first
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:43 No.740347
    >>740339
    Agreed. For the record, it's right here: >>738659
    >> Anonymous 06/01/10(Tue)23:47 No.740361
    >>740319
    The Joseph K story is soooort of sci fi, I spose.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)01:27 No.740725
    >>738879
    Author of Pictures here. You're right. Here's my thoughts:

    Agents: Reading that was like an acid trip, in a good way. Made me laugh. It's a strange combination of Austin Powers and Metal Gear. I kept replacing Bob and Steve with Snake and Raiden.

    Beyond Baena:It's a good starting story. Writing wise it was very repetitive (there are other words for ship, and pronouns exist for a reason), but I read up thread that this is your first story. In that case it's not so bad, but I'll expect more in the future.

    Coldest Night of November: The writing here really shines I think. The story's incredibly short but the author manages to create a great mood. I honestly thought there had to be some kind of mistake when I saw that it was only a page long. I'd love to see more of this.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)01:28 No.740726
    >>740725

    One: looking forward to the next part of this. The plot's a little typical, but the writing catapults it up into something far better than it might have been. Taut as a trap wire.

    One Couple's Car Ride: Perhaps this seems more of a letdown after One and Jester's Crown, but this was really weak. Even looking past the cliched introduction and dialogue between the two characters, the writing is just...bad. It's very childish. I don't find myself caring about it at all.

    Rain: Again, great writing saves a story. Reminds me a lot of Jester's Crown, though it's on the other end of the spectrum--it's not a happy story so much as a hangover after a really bad party you only went to for the booze. Really loved the descriptions here.

    The Dreamer: Loved the ending. I knew it had to be coming once she was successfully created, but I still wasn't looking forward to it. Tom's heartbreak is pretty damn infectious.

    The Man who Never Was-- gets better as it goes. The beginning of the story really turned me off, got a bit better in the middle, then ended like a badly conceived creepypasta. Not my favorite.

    The Tank: Holy shit that was good. Characterization was brilliant, flowed along excellently, and the imagery was great. Up there with One on my favorites list.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)01:29 No.740730
    >>740726
    Jester's Crown: Another excellently done short piece. The writing's spotless and surreal. Can't think of anything that really needs improving. The whole story is a ray of hazy sunshine. Definitely a favorite.

    Finishes up the section. Always more of a prose girl than poetry.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)02:37 No.740904
    >>740319
    I should send some of my shit in then, get all the sci-fi you could want.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)08:19 No.741437
    >>740726
    I'm glad you liked The Tank.
    Here are some thoughts I had about Pictures:
    Your writing has a natural flow, which I love, and there are great lines in there, like "But the woman was made of steel, of stone and mortar; fighting her was fighting gravity." And the shopkeeper was fucking great. But I didn't give a shit about Sam, Meg, Jane, or Greg. I think you could limit it to Elise, cut down on the discussion of creepy rumors about the board, and get to the actual scene at the store sooner.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)09:16 No.741583
    >>741566
    this.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)09:29 No.741606
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    >>733135
    Typeography.
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)11:44 No.741813
    >>741606
    Seriously, is there a reason you people won't justify the text? YOU NEED TO DO THIS.

    Also, lol:
    >While /lit/ complains a lot about our mistakes (many of which are very justified and good complaints), we still only have basically two or three of us doing all the compiling in InDesign.
    >complains a lot about our mistakes (many of which are justified and good complaints)
    >justified complaints
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)11:49 No.741825
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    >>741813
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)11:59 No.741846
    use TeX to achieve
    >>741606
    >> Anonymous 06/02/10(Wed)13:50 No.742142
    EDITUS. Please. I want to know. Why do you refuse to justify? Justify this choice!



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