Troll he breaks his back and is paralyzed from the waist down, but he doesn't die.

>>515250
he is SHOT IN THE HEART AND DIES

>>515252
He doesn't die. Something stopped him from going into the light.

>>515255
ya thats the TRAIN COMING TO KILL HIM

OH

MY

GOD

>>515262
>>515255
>>515252
Current theories: It's going to be one of three things.

1) Harry went into shock when he hit the water and will, if only just, pull through. Murphy was en route to see him, ostensibly for hot dickings, but that's a moot point.

2) Notice that Harry's entire mortal identity et al has been destroyed over the course of this book. He is now in the perfect position, as far as the Fae are concerned, to be a full time Winter Knight. Go back and look at his agreement with Mab, among other things.

3) Sure, Harry just died. But he's got an Archangel in his corner and that just means he's not weaseled his way out of a binding contract with the Winter Queen. Soulfire and his own survival instincts, battered as they are, managed to drag him back kicking and screaming. It ain't like this is the first (or second, or third) time he's technically died.

As to the gunman: My money's on Kincaid, paid by either Mab or paying off a debt or Uriel or someone else. Maybe even trying to mark his territory with Murphy (doubt it, but he is a Hellhound, so).

>>515288
I would put a very large amount of money on it not being Kincaid, Mab, or Uriel who had him shot.

>>515298
Who else would have an abundant reason to do so? Only other known suspect I can think of Christos since Harry just ganked half or more of his support base by genociding the Reds and liberating Latin America in the process.

>>515310
Mab and Uriel have absolutely no reason. He is already working for Mab so why would she kill him and Harry is practically an agent of heaven not to mention that Angels are way too hands off to have someone shot Kincaid is a possibility but not a very good one. He just has no good reason for doing it.

>>515310
what the fuckkkkkkk is this shit

>>515314
Uriel killed the firstborn of Egypt. That ain't hands off.

Mab could simply do it as a part of her bid to make Harry a true blue full-timer. Again: His mortal identity is basically gone now. Tack on a cheap fae glamour, give him a new name to protect the old and bam. Keeping him in a state of semi-death would be childsplay for someone at her level.

The winter knight is the queens envoy to the mortal world. She doesn't want someone who is in a perpetual near death state. She wants someone to work for her.

Who it could be:

Nicodemus
Kincaid
Uriel
Mavra

Realistically, Nicodemus wouldn't want Harry to grow in power of the winter knight, because he knows that eventually, Harry'll come for him. Mavra has the same reasons. Kincaid might be operating under the Archive's orders, because Harry forced her hand. And Uriel might have done it, so that Harry dying and getting resurrected somehow, will void him of Mab's bargain.

>>516290

Since apparently this is the spoilers without tags thread, it could also be the White Court or Jade Court. He's already destroyed the Red Court and it appears he can destroy or maim the Black Court ("I know how to turn necromancy against the Black Court" etc.)

Given his growing power and that he's now destroyed not just major individual powers but major group powers, really, any paranoid, powerful group might want to off him.

Or hey! Maybe the Archive had him shot, having reason to believe he'd pull through, for mysterious reasons of her own. Kincaid would totally take Harry out on Ivy's say-so. And she is a little bit "things must play out as they must" when he calls her for help. She might even be in the area to ensure his survival.

I do like the concept of Mab having arranged or encouraged for his house, work, etc to be destroyed, to keep him in the Winter Knight game. Maybe not so much having him shot, but the rest, fer sure. I like it for two reasons: one, it makes sense. Two: it means Dresden will eventually be laying the motherfucking smack down on a non-insane faerie Queen who's prepared for him.

It was the black council obviously.

>>516449

Pfft. No. Why would the Black Council shoot their most promising potential recruit?

>>516453
Assuming that the new senior council member was in cahoots with the red court and as they have speculated he is Black Council, Harry just seriously pissed them off by destroying the entire red court.

And since the Black Court seems to be made up of non-immortal members they don't take the idea of "in the long term I shall win!" that Mab and other immortals/near immortals have demonstrated in thinking.

>>516498

Seriously pissed them off? More like seriously impressed them. If he can take out that large a force, then it's better to have him on your side than that force, anyway. Also, see Harry's previous comments re: Vader.

>>516507
There is impressive and interfering with the big plans. Harry just ended the War they were using to seize power.

i can't remember the last time i read a book where the title was so fitting.

I just couldn't believe how bad Harry was shafted in this book. I mean in every book he gets the short end of the stick but damn.

>>516570
Yeah Butcher is getting meaner with age.

I'm quite hopeful.

Remember that conversation he had with his dad a couple of books ago (as he was almost dying)? He said thinks would get real bad, and that Harry would have to make some horrible choices but that things would work out if he did them for the right reasons. And even in this book Uriel was talking about how things will never get so bad that there's no way back as long as he does the things he does out of love.

With that said, WHAT A FUCKING AWESOME. I don't know whether to re-read it immediately or come back in a month or so.

>>516747

I personally, am doing the month thing. It's just gonna be so much better now that I have meditated upon this.

Also, Susan ;_;

>>516886
More like :-) Susan had it coming big time.

>>516886
SHE'S A WHORE AND A SLUT and deserved it 100%

So how many people didn't even think to consider the neverender on the other side of Harry's apartment.

>>516968

Well, from our perspective. From Harry's perspective... it's like a double failure.

He not only managed to use his godmother's uber magic to kill the vampire side of them, but he also had to watch his ex girlfriend get turned into one, and then he had to cut her throat.

Someone whom he never fully got over. Cutting their throat. Jesus Christ, Butcher. What gives?

Also, I just realized that the person that's probably preventing Harry from dying is Elaine; 'cause she's skilled at healing stuff.

>>517011
Thought about what might be on the other side but never questioned why no one ever used it. Did ask why no one ever popped in to Micheal's house and slaughter his family.

>>517976

lolangels

>>518010
winged bastered

bump

I can't fucking wait for the next one.

I was looking at the wiki page and there's that Side Jobs shit coming out in November. I don't really give a shit about short stories on what he did on the side but I might check it out.

MAC SPOKE

MOUSE SPOKE

god tier book.

apparently some fan artist out there thinks this is murphy. it is much better than the picture of her in my mind's eye.

>>518238
Side Jobs will have a novella from Murphy's perspective that takes place 45 minutes after the end of the book.

>>515243
since when is murphy a redhead?

suck my dick please.

>>518337
Nah she isn't blonde there. Also she is a little too gorgeous there, she is cute but not so model-y and she is supposed to have a wider face.

>>518348

better than this one, at least

>>518352

by better i mean "not as ugly as this one". though this is much more accurate imo

>>518319
yeah what was up with Lea calling mouse a demon too.

>>518380

everyone calls him a demon, no one but the good guys like him

>>518385
true but I took that as more like calling some one a monster or a thug, not to literal.

>>518405

well he's a magical being antithetical to their existence, but cool with us. just like you might construe the fae as demons from our point of view.

Am I the only one who hopes that Harry learns to understand mouse in the future and he becomes a main character.

>>518419
Hope so.

that blackstaff was pretty much an OPERATOR

>>518434

KILLAN WITH MAGICAN

GRANDFATHERAN

he's a cool guy not afraid of anything

So, is there going to be a new book next year? Or is butcher done with dresden?

>>519984
I don't think he's done with Dresden.

And if he is then I hope he dies a horrible death.

>>520009
Jim plans 20 books then doing a three part apocalyptic ending to the whole series. so he's not done yet, we are a far way off yet. He has planned this all out, from what he said in the last interview he did. But I still think the last two books may have been rushed a bit but i love this one, return to form.

One thing I am wondering is how long is mouses life span?

Anyone else want harry to hookup with Molly.

>>520108
I'd rather see him with Murphy. Odds are Molly's mom would flay Dresden's sorry ass no matter what power he had. Add I think Mouse is kind of particular to the girl, so a neck snap is in his future if he tried too.

>>520134
Mouse wouldn't attack Harry for fucking Molly.

He only attacked Thomas because he knew Thomas was feeding.

I think in the long run if Dresden ends up with anyone it will be Molly. Seeing as they are both long lived and will be one of his oldest female friends around his age soon. I mean Murphy is already 13 years older then she was at the beginning of the series. She will be starting to look more like Dresden's mother than his girlfriend soon.

>>520166
Remember "Die alone." regardless daddy said in a dream, his love life is going to suck.

>>520178
That could just mean he will be alone when he dies. It doesn't preclude him fining someone.

>>520190
I kind of love the fact no one can agree what that means.

>>520192
The intent is clear but he says plainly that the magic could take form from the words not the intent.

I kind of like what they did with Thomas in the last book, same with lea in this book.

Seriously "Die Alone" most pathetic death curse EVAR. Couldn't he have death cursed him to start goin evil or something.

They need to toss in the Winchester Brothers some where in here, they did mentioned Murphy in Supernatural.

so which god do you think he'll befriend/piss of in the next book.

not going to let this thread die.

STOP TALKING AND RAPIDSHIT THE FUCKING THING!
MY KINDLE IS HUNGRY!!!!

>>520688
it's prolly availible on all the torrent sites.

>>520855
Implying that my ISP doesn't block P2P traffic

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5LGXJ840

just uploaded

get it while its fresh

perhaps i shouldnt have posted a link, now everyone is gone, reading it...

>>520918
Your ISP blocks P2P? Ouch.

>>520918
P2P sucks anyway.

>>521040

>>521046
aryan beauties.

Molly gets over Harry after she gets under Mouse.

Bacon Nachos

>>518238
>I don't really give a shit about short stories on what he did on the side

Might want to. Butcher has a tendency to reference things that happen in those stories in his main plots. Whole characters and backgrounds come out of them and if you haven't read 'em, you get to be confused in the main books. Cheap tactic to get people to read your material if you ask me, but whatever.

>>515243

>>521661

>>521668
Ironic seeing he is a huge fan of the series.

>>521640

when has he done this?

>>521859

Wizard Peabody (a major character from Turn Coat) was introduced in a short story.

He makes reference to fucking up the lady of Winter court because she did some messed up shit to Billy and Georgia at their wedding. The messed up shit was a short story.

You find out more about how Michael coped with his injuries in a short story, and his current lifestyle is referenced in Changes.

He does a pretty good job with giving winks to the other works, but he doesn't make them paramount to readers of the main series.

>>521873

they're just pleasant asides. the short stories are not necessary to understanding the plot of the novels.

>>521859

Kirby and Andie were short-story introduced characters. Somebody mentioned Billy and Georgia's wedding. Aside from a lone name drop (I think in Turn Coat?), Uriel's presence in the series is pretty much short-story based. They're little things, but little things that become part of big things. Reading the side stories helps to understand what's going on when they inevitably get mentioned - eg, what the hell Harry is talking about when he mentions shit that went down at Billy and Georgia's wedding.

>no fucking spoiler tags in the whole fucking thread

you guys are assholes.

>>522305
It's not the ending that matters, baby, it's the ride.

>>521996

Also, Gard being a valkyrie. When he mentions it as Michael is getting in da choppa, I was like... what the hell? Did I miss a book?

>>520969
What program can I use to read it?

Sanya is fucking hilarious. I lol'd pretty hard when he talked about Harry fucking Mab.

Definitely my favorite character.

This thread has been here for like 2 days now

This board is fucking slow.

>>522305

It started with a spoiler, might as well follow through.

bump

can you fucking nigger discuss this shit?

god damn

>>522459
>can you, fucking nigger, discuss this shit?

There, I tried to help you make sense.

>>522480
I meant to say niggers with an S

I raged at the end.

Second to last page: FINALLY!
Last page: OH WHAT THE FUCK.

>>522662
Yeah I fucking hate Jim for teasing us with that.

hai guyz m i late?

So who remembers when /lit/ was first created we had like 5 Dresden speculation threads.

Everyone who postulated Harry taking up the Winter Mantle = winrars, but Harry also considered...all the other options we brought up.

In my opinion, since obviously Harry's not dead, this book really did a good job of trying up a lot of the earlier plotlines, and cementing the remaining ones that will see us out to the final 10 or so books.

So now lets speculate who shot Harry, why, and how he's going to get out of it.

If it was a direct enemy, the why is obvious.

Would be interesting if it was an ally trying to get him out of the Winter Knight commitment...

>>523075

Who shot Harry? My guess, The Merlin.

>>523487
My bet's on the Summer Knight. He already tried to kill Harry when he was working for Winter. Now that he's the Winter Knight, it wouldn't surprise me.

>>523523
My bets on an ally, since he did die the power of winter knight returned to Mab, and lets be honest he has died a few times before. Some one will pull him back.

>>522362
its html

but, doesn't he have magical armor or something?
It baffles me why these wizards don't wear more protection.

>>523075
He Who Walks Behind
perhaps finally coming back to finish the job it started?

why do all the book covers now show harry wearing that stupid hat over longish hair?

harry even says in the book that he doesn't wear hats and has short hair (at least on the sides and back).

>>524108
the demon was KILLED COMPLETELY
and then he KILLED ITS GHOST

its gone, nothing left of it.

>>524160
i dunno what fanfic you were reading, but He Who Walks Behind was summoned back near the end of Blood Rites. even Bob said that "Walkers aren't killable" and that "he's still out there" in the last chapter.

>>524167
oh maybe i'm thinking of something else.

>>524316
ya but i mean something that covers more then just a leather jacket.

>>524326
His duster is pretty much full body armor and his shield charm is probably one of the strongest out there.

Didn't Harry eat and drink in "Vallhalla" at Odin's request?

>>524348
yup. But the thing is he has so many cards to be dealt. Odin could save him, Mab, The Watcher, some other people I am sure I am forgetting.

Martin.. total badass or total badass? Harry might have pulled the trigger but he planned the massacre of the entire red court.

>>524366
If Martin did it. It would have been a headshot.

It was Mister.

It was Mister the whole time.

>>524542
Seriously I don't think Mister is a cat. Why else would Mouse let him boss him around.

Is Mister really a cat? Anyone know?

That woman's voice at the end?

LASH IS BACK

I CAN SENSE IT, FOR MY LASH SENSE IS TINGLING (it's my penis).

>>524952

Wizardly regeneration = brain regeneration = Lash comes back is my favorite wacky theory. And by wacky, I mean awesome.

>>524084

If ya read the book, his coat gets wrecked and he throws it in the water right beforehand.

>>524597
I always figured that even though mouse was some sort of super-dog, he let mister boss him around mainly because mister was there first. A sort of respect for seniority since mister doesn't really fuck with mouse unnecessarily.

But after reading changes, I'm thinking mister is also some sort of super-cat? But doesn't really help harry because... well, he's a cat.

>>525109
The whole book lives up to its title. Apartment? Gone. Mister? MIA. Harry? Mab's attack dog. Who killed his ex girlfriend and mother of his child. The Beatle? Destroyed. The coat that he's had since Death Masks? Torn to shreds, now at the bottom of the lake. Staff he's been using the whole series? Bye bye. Red Court, major antagonists? GONE.

Can't wait for November - Side Jobs, with Aftermath.

>>525117

Yeah, almost easier to make a list of what physical possessions he still (maybe) has. Shield bracelet, kinetic rings, blasting rod...

>>525150
But look at what he gained.

>>525379
A bullet in his torso, blood on his hands, and a leash held by the Winter Queen?

That said, he'll also have a huge boost in his wizard-cred... which may be a good or bad thing.

>>525379

FREE BULLET FUCK YEAH

So... who thinks that Jim Butcher is totally reading this thread (or threads like this one) and laughing his ass off?

Seriously, the man is a master troll.
>>522662
>>522745

>>525117

with susan dead, it seems fitting that his cloak would go as well. martin is dead, and kincaid would have done it with a headshot. lets not forget Ace, Binder, etc...and I really, really doubt Ivy was behind it

You have to wonder, though... suppose Harry dies, but only temporarily and he gets resuscitated. Would he lose his status as the Winter Knight? The power returns to Mab once the current WK dies... so if Harry dies and is brought back, will Mab try to force him to take it back?

>>525574

supposing thats actually why someone killed him. making the character as winter knight for a quick fix and then releasing him from his obligations like 200 pages later doesn't fit with the Butcher im used to.

>>525586

Yeah, if death was to free him from being the Winter Knight, it'll also be to do something even worse to him.

Also, recrafting his staff, etc, with the additional skills and powers he's gained over the years and after teaching Molly will = win.

>>525586
True. The whole point of the book is that everything's different. I guess I'm just not groovin' with the concept of Harry being under Mab's thumb.

However, I do see the appeal of Harry struggling against her influence for a few books at least, similar to what happened with Lasciel/Lash.

>>525609

Mab x Lash in Harry's brain. OTP.

"Dammit, girls, I'm trying to save the world here. Stop sexing in my frontal lobe."

>>525609
>>525607

I also feel that the "death escape" used again (last being GP) would become a cheap gimmick. I would like to see Lash back (but not Lasciel; hate that bitch). And pl0x dont get with molly :(

I bet he's gonna end up with Lara by the end of the series, mark my words.

>>525619
She'll try to seduce him, Harry will reject her due to being genre savvy and not being an idiot, and she'll go control-freak yandere on his ass.

>I bet he's gonna end up with whichever half of Lara is still wriggling when he's done with her by the end of the series, mark my words.

>>525665

if you read in white night, as they escape from the ghoul filled cave...when harry has her start kissing him to gather his will (?) she okay. but they land on the ground, he says "get off", she goes in for another kiss and THEN gets burned. so why not before? i argue that she has fallen in love with him right after he saves her life.

>>525668
Ah, no.

If she "loves" Harry in any way, it isn't a human form of love. More like a favorite pet or something. She loves toying with him, respects his will and power, and wants him to work for her. I imagine she also gets off on some level when he resists her.

>>525686

then that is your explanation for the burningness? because the same happens for thomas and inari, both of whom were full of true love for people..

My money is on Marcone behind the shooting.
Donar Vadderung most likely knows that Dresden is the new Winter knight and may have shared this info with Gard.

And since it is Gard's duty to look out for Marcone's best interests, she, in turn, shares this information with Marcone.

Marcone knows that Harry will be gunning for him someday, but wasn't really worried about it because he won't be Harry's priority #1 until Harry deals with all the greater evils. Marcone said that Harry will probably get himself killed long before Marcone is in Harry's sights.

>>525720
cont'd

But now that Harry is the Winter Knight... wiping out the evils of the world may not only be possible... but perhaps even expedited. So, of course, Marcone has to keep Harry in line in the name of self-preservation. He probably got Gard or even Hendricks to do the shooting for him.

But I figure... Marcone kind of likes, if not respects, Harry as a tool to be used to eliminate threats to his domination of Chicago which were, coincidentally, also Harry's enemies. So, my guess is that he probably arranged Harry to be shot in such a way that he would die... but it would still be possible to resurrect him afterwards. That way, the power of the Winter Knight would disperse and return to Mab, while allowing Harry to survive without betraying his deal with the Winter Queen.

... and since Marcone has a soft spot for kids, this would allow Harry to safely be with his daughter. Kind of.

>>525723
cont'd

But how would Marcone even know how such a thing would work? Well... i figure that the source of the Winter Knight's power was common knowledge in the never never. So if he didn't get the info from Gard, it probably wouldn't have cost him very much to trade for the info from a faerie of some sort. As a member of the Unseelie Accords (the only vanilla Human one, IIRC), it wouldn't have been too hard for him to set up a meeting with one.

perhaps he consorted with Lea... *gasp!* who secretly wants harry for her own and not as Mab's Knight! Scandalous!

>>525691
Inari and Lara got burned when they kissed Harry because of his true love for Susan, which was still around. Thomas got burned kissing Justine because of her true love for him, and any other White Court Vamp that tries touching Justine would get the same. It's true love in mortals that causes the burning.

>>525723

I guess we will see, eh?

What do you make of the train?

Watch it be Murphy as the shooter. Lulz

>>525736
It's Mister. He's actually a werecat.

>>525735
???
Train?

>>525764
Harry says he heard what sounds like a train as he's sinking into the water. I figured it was Murphy's car.

>>525748
The mysterious Jade court is really just made up of cats. Mister is a spy for them sent to keep tabs on/control Harry. When Harry became the winter knight Mister could no longer control him so he had to eliminate him.

>>525764
>The light rushed closer, and I distinctly heard the horn and the engine of an oncoming train.

last line of the book

>>525779
Obviously Harry is going to wake up at Kings Cross Station and chat with Dumbledore.

>>525790

Nah, he's going to go kick Islington's ass.

>>525773
Dunno. I'm not so sure if it was something harry physically heard.

I'm thinking that the whole internal monologue at the end was a reference to how people always claim to see a "light at the end of a tunnel" when in a near- or at-death experience.

except, since this is Harry, he's gotta get fucked somehow and being in a tunnel with an approaching train would probably be a worst case scenario for seeing a light at the end of a tunnel.

since he's probably dead, or at least temporarily so, perhaps he's going to hell? he DID just kill the woman he loved, after all. it may have been to wipe out the red court and she may have had it coming, but it was still premeditated and in cold blood.

>>524952
Brofist for my man backing Lash.

>>525835
I think it would explain Harry's apparent slips into minor insanity throughout the book. He had headaches throughout Turn Coat. Now that the hardware has been restored, Lash is back and it's screwing with his mental process as she recovers.

>>525835

I just get tired of her trying to seduce him. It would be nice to have friendly-useful-self sacrifice Lash back...

>>525849
The headaches never did get explained. I always figured it was his brainmeats healing up. I also miss Evil Inner Monologue Harry. He was a bro.

This wait sucks already.

>>525878
He faded away over time, I'm assuming because Harry became a darker character. It's not that he's gone, he's just merged with Harry.

>>525884
Well, we'll get that Murphy-centric novella "Aftermath" in November.

...still too long. DAMN YOU JIM.

>>524348
I totally missed him having tea and donuts in the office being equivalent to being invited to dine in Valhalla.


Glad to see so many other people are a fan of the wizard = extended healing = brain heal = lash coming back theory, as far fetched and unlikely as it is. I'm planning on doing a full series reread once the short story compilation comes out in november, since I've never read any of them.

I'm not sure how to feel about the "cliffhanger" since any fan at all knows there is AT LEAST 6-7 more books to go...and yes Changes was full of HUEG changes, but nothing has ever ended on a true cliffhanger thus far. But perhaps in exhange for tying up so many plot threads usually left open, we were stuck with a shitty shooting to speculate over, since maybe 60% of our speculation material was ended in this book.

Query: Why do people cream themselves over Dresden Files? I read the first 3-4 books or so and it was nothing special. Mediocre dime pulp novel that happens to be set in a modern fantasy setting. Is that really all it takes these days?

>>526263

It's entertaining. If meaningful literature is, say, dinner at a nice restaurant, the Dresden files series is more like a Happy Meal: quick, cheap, nothing to write home about - but hey, you get a nifty toy to play with for a while. And fries.

>>526263

>>526381 has it about right. I wouldn't judge the series based on the first three books, though. Depending on who you ask, the series massively improves at either the third or forth book.

And yeah, the series isn't "proper literature" to write papers about and debate with scholarly types, but it's worth reading if you're into urban fantasy or if you're looking for a laugh.

>>526381
I like the series too, better than a lot that's out there, and I think the urban fantasy is not used enough when its not a supernatural romance.

I got all the books, so here is what I am gonna do.

I am gonna lay them all out on my kitchen table and read two pages from each one, then turn the pages and read two pages from each one again, and see if I can't make this into one fucking epic story.

>>527249
...that's a terrible idea.

>>526263

Well, for one its fun, and you stopped reading before you got to my favorite book in the series, Death Masks, which is where Butcher does a very subtle genre change.

I still consider Death Masks to be the best of the series...but Changes is right up there.

So I am going to have to wait till next April for a new dresden files? The SS book doesn't count because thats just going to be a taste.

>>527092
Seriously why is it that almost every urban fantasy is written by a woman and about fucking supernatural monsters. This is one of the reasons I like the Dresden Files. And I wish I could find something else close to it.

>>526263
It's good enough to read

So the consensus is that it's the only modern fantasy that isn't written by a middle-aged woman as a masturbatory fantasy? What about Gaiman? Gaiman writes infinitely better than Butcher and his works are on the whole considerably more engaging. Though I admit to there not being much out there, shouldn't we have higher standards than this dime pulp novel crap?

>>527657
ya but... gaiman is a jew.

>>527657
Neil Gaiman is good but I like following a series rather then novel.

>>527657
I also like Gaiman. I loved American Gods, the Sandman, and I liked his "fanfic" stuff like "I, Cthulhu" and "A Study in Emerald".

=goodbook

>You are a drug dealer. To tiny faeries. Shame.

I lol'd

>>527963
Who here thinks by the end of the series Toot is going to be a Demi-god.

>>528073

no joke, how the fuck does he get so big though?

What the fuck happened to Molly
And WHY IS NO ONE AFRAID OF THE FACT THAT SHE IS ALONE WITH THOMAS AFTER A MAJOR BATTLE

>>528076
Because he has followers. They give him power
.>>528179
Are you retarded? First off Mouse is with her. And Harry just got shot.

blarg complete

Super Mouse.

>>527657
I love Gaiman. I like good literature and all that jazz, but there's something massively entertaining about the 'dime-store crap'. It's fast-paced and entertaining. It's like a great action movie that doesn't try to be anything but a great action movie.

The Dresden Files don't try to be deep and meaningful literature. They try to be entertaining pulp novels, and they do a damn good at it.

>>528646

Exactly. Dresden Files is good for consistent (past the first book or two especially), entertaining, but not deep. Gaiman writes better books, Butcher writes more books.

>>528690
Not only that. I think Butcher has a real talent writing long term. His novels all feel very connected. He foreshadows stuff in book 3-4 that happens 6 or 7 books later. He has consistent believable characters that develop over the course of the books realistically. He is building concrete and reliable universe. I won't say that he writes great literature, because he doesn't, but I think his stuff is a big step up from normal 'dime-store crap.'

I think it might have been Kincaid because he SAID that is exactly how he would kill harry if he ever needed too.

I don't think it was Ivy, Uriel, or mab. Mab could simply cause harry's neck to break itself since she now owns his body(though not his will or his soul) Uriel could simply cause him to die without even having a single wound, Ivy could need to kill him as punishment for unbalancing the world.

but my personal oppinion is that Drakul pulled some mojo on his old hellhound to kill the guy who killed his son.

remember that Vlad dracula, Drakul's son, was a red court vampire, and while they didn't get along, old world customs are when a man kills your son/blood you go after them.

>>529548
Kincaid would have done a head shot so he wouldn't know what hit him.

>>525668
Lara just kissed Harry, then after they landed, she kissed him again, but this time tried to feed on him.

only little maddie feeds non-stop on whoever she touches, and Thomas feeds on Justine by instinct because his Hunger is in love with her just as much as he is, just it is more like the love of your favorite food place.

also, god DAMN that made me feel like the ending to cowboy bebop or how many other epic stories where the hero goes "bam".

also I totally think Jim reads at least SOME internet pages, because he specifically trolled like half the lit boards when he brought out the two swords, gave one to Murphy and THEN gave one to.... Susan. when everyone was saying he would give the other to Thomas.

>>529566
maybe he was told to shoot dresden, but because he is a slick hound, he shot dresden in a possible non-fatal area.

also WHO WAS TRAIN?

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>>525878
Lash redeemed herself, she was made into an angel. that explains why she had access to the soulfire she used to save harry.

also come on, it is obviously his mother talking at the end. she specifically appears in several points in the series, she appears in one nightmare he is having goes "You need some sleep, you don't have time for this" waves her hand and his dream turns black.

if lash appears at all, she will be one of the guys asking for tickets on the train, complete with scantily but modest uniform, and will escort harry to "The Conductor" who gives him a big message.... and then makes him a sammich and beer because he is mac.

bump, so who thinks mac is actually a freakin GOD

bump for talking.