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    166 KB Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:30 No.503513  
    Poland cannot into literature
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:32 No.503518
    Wiedźmin sucks.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:33 No.503526
    But I like Dostoevsky!
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:33 No.503527
    >>503513
    truth. Poland sucks
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:33 No.503528
    Poland used to be bad ass.... 400 years ago.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:39 No.503545
    andrzej zulawski is one of my favorite film-makers
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:41 No.503555
    Bolesław Prus - the Doll.

    Best fucking piece of lit I've read since last year. Fits very sungly into the era, the characters are good and some of the underlying message is about bitches and hoes.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:41 No.503559
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    orly OP?
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:42 No.503562
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    Are you serious?
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:44 No.503564
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    Shut up OP.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:44 No.503567
    You forgot to sage
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:48 No.503578
    Whenever I see a post about how much a country's literature sucks, I think about this poem by Wisława Szymborska:

    PSALM

    Oh, the leaky boundaries of man-made states!
    How many clouds float past them with impunity;
    how much desert sand shifts from one land to another;
    how many mountain pebbles tumble onto foreign soil
    in provocative hops!

    Need I mention every single bird that flies in the face of frontiers
    or alights on the roadblock at the border?
    A humble robin - still, its tail resides abroad
    while its beak stays home. If that weren't enough, it won't stop
    bobbing!

    Among innumerable insects, I'll single out only the ant
    between the border guard's left and right boots
    blithely ignoring the questions "Where from?" and "Where to?"


    Oh, to register in detail, at a glance, the chaos
    prevailing on every continent!
    Isn't that a privet on the far bank
    smuggling its hundred-thousandth leaf across the river?
    And who but the octopus, with impudent long arms,
    would disrupt the sacred bounds of territorial waters?

    And how can we talk of order overall
    when the very placement of the stars
    leaves us doubting just what shines for whom?

    Not to speak of the fog's reprehensible drifting!
    And dust bowling all over the steppes
    as if they hadn't been partitioned!
    And the voices coasting on obliging airwaves,
    that conspiratorial squeaking, those indecipherable mutters!

    Only what is human can truly be foreign.
    The rest is mixed vegetation, subversive moles, and wind.

    (Translated by Stanislaw Barańczak and Clare Cavanagh)
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:54 No.503589
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    Szymborska is badass.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:56 No.503595
    Stanislaw Lem is fine, too.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)16:59 No.503605
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    Fuck you, OP.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:06 No.503616
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    I should say!
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:09 No.503626
    >>503595
    Stanisław Lem is the fucking god.

    I always wondered why is he absent from /lit/s sci-fi compilations since I find his sci fi to be very deep and on par with people like heinlein or asimov ie. original, classic etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:12 No.503634
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    >>503616
    You're not welcome here, Józef.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:15 No.503641
    >>503605
    Marek Hłasko was one damn motherfucker.
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)17:18 No.503646
    >>503518
    Wiedźmin, drogi panie, doesn't suck so bad. For it's time it was a pretty good story, later on it started to be copied by everyone who wanted to make their hero just like Geralt from Rivii - a pseudo-badass. It was good once, but after finding 20 clones of Geralt it get boring. I'm not a fan of Sapkowski, but Wiedzmiń was pretty entertaining, especially for a young fantasy lover, I'd give him a 7/10 in my book.

    continued...
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:19 No.503651
    >>503626
    Good place to start with Lem?
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)17:21 No.503658
    >>503646

    I can tell you much about the Polish fantasy scene - there are some notable authors such as Andrzej Pilipiuk, whom I would recommend to everybody. I've met him personally, and he's a fascinating man. Many of his books aim particularly at the eastern european mind, taking place in eastern europe in the 17-20 centuries, but maybe some westfag would also find them entertaining.

    Stanisław Lem is also a great author, I believe him to stand along side of classic sci-fi authors such as Robert Heinlein or Isaac Asimov. His works have that wonderful taste of the early sci-fi era and they usually talk about very philosophical subject. Also: Diary Found in a Bathtub is a fucking mindfuck of the highest quality.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:26 No.503665
    Hey Poles, how's Henryk Sienkiewicz? I've been considering The Trilogy and Knights of the Cross but they're exorbitant in English and my local library copies are nearly disintegrating...

    Quo Vadis copies are OK, no wonder.
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!bOOhb8C7gxV 04/01/10(Thu)17:26 No.503667
    >>503658
    >Diary Found in a Bathtub
    Is this the book about trolls trolling trolls trolling trolled trolls trolling trolls trolled by trolling trolled trolls for trolling trolled trolls... wait, wat
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)17:27 No.503671
    >>503651
    I'd say Solaris, The Magellanic Cloud, Fiasco and The Tales of Pilot Pirx and Memoirs Found in a Bathtub (this is the right title, not "Diary..").


    >>503658 continued
    As for real literature, I can recommend:
    Forefather's Eve (Dziady) - Adam Mickiewicz is one of the most, if not the most, popular polish classics. It involves patriotism and a lot of romanticism, it's situated deeply within the era it was written. I'm not a fan of this kind of stuff, but I really liked it.

    The Doll (Lalka) - Bolesław Prus - I really, really loved this on. It's a picture of Poland quite some time ago, which illustrates the polish society of that time and is also a critique of Mickiewicz's romanticism. It might not speak to foreigners as it speaks to the natives, but if you're into this kinda stuff, try it out.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:28 No.503674
    >>503665
    Yeah, Sienkiewicz is pretty good. Unless you're over 12 years old.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:31 No.503685
    >>503674
    Well that was an informative post.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:39 No.503708
    >>503685
    Gombrowicz called him a "first-rate second-rate writer". I wouldn't waste my time on Sienkiewicz, unless I really wanted to find out what stirred the hearts of Polish people in the late 19th/early 20th century. I found his novels maudlin, simplistic and at times plain boring, even if they are of some historical merit.
    Since I mentioned Gombrowicz... Go read some Gombrowicz, if you haven't already.
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)17:41 No.503714
    >>503665
    I personally didn't like them much, but it's still good literature, go for it. It's very slavic, and 'tasty' in that sort of way.

    >>503667
    YES!

    >>503671 continued
    Sławomir Mrożek - Tango - a very good critique of post modernism. It's heavily influenced by polish communism of that time, but I think it's universal enough to be understood by none-poles.

    Kamienie an Szaniec - Aleksander Kamiński (dunno english title) - book about wwII based on factual heroes and events. A couple of young guys, teens basically, join the guerrillas and fight the german oppressor. Extremely patriotic (not nationalist, just patriotic) and moving.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:41 No.503716
    >>503708
    Thanks. I'll keep Gombrowicz in mind. Looks like my library has a translation of Pornografia
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)17:43 No.503720
    >>503708
    Yes. Like I said, Sienkiewicz is very polish, like, I don't know how other nations could read his stuff or give a fuck. It doesn't have a deeper meaning, it's mostly about polish customs and events.

    And yeah, Gombrowicz is very good. I've only read one thing from him (Ferdydurke), but he is widely praised and acknowledged.

    I kinda ran out of authors for now, it's been quite a while since I last read something from the motherland. Any questions, /lit/s?
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:43 No.503721
    >>503671
    Alright thanks(on the Lem books), i'll check them out.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:45 No.503727
    >>503716
    Gombrowicz is such a troll. I love him. A lot of trolling is to be found in his Diaries, also in Ferdydurke and Trans-Atlantyk.
    Pornografia is okay, and you might also want to check out the (fairly recent) film.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:46 No.503728
    >>503708
    But again, who gives a damn about Gombrowicz, he may told that to get some attention, writers are always bad-mouthing each other. Sienkiewicz is epic in its very best form.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:46 No.503731
    >>503720
    Did you basically stop reading Polish lit after graduating from high school? ;)
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)17:50 No.503740
    >>503731
    Actually, I graduated last year =P. So the highschool literature stands very high in my books, and I'm recently trying to go and explore more on my own, like I've read Lalka a week ago and found it superb. I'm not saying I'm some fine po/lit/ish literature prof or something, I just wrote about some books which I read and really liked, and which are also famously Polish.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:52 No.503748
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    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)17:57 No.503762
    >>503740
    I was just asking out of curiosity. Your suggestions were helpful, no doubt, but as a fellow polefag I couldn't help but notice their resemblance to the standard high school reading list :) Not that I'm that much of an expert myself since I read much less of Polish literature than I used to... well, in high school, obviously :P
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:02 No.503771
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    >>503748
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:07 No.503785
    >>503771

    I don't think this is quite how it happened.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:10 No.503795
    >>503785
    Come on, Polish martyrs might use a more glorious view of their history from time to time.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:10 No.503796
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    >>503771
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:10 No.503799
    The Painted Bird?
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:11 No.503802
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    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:14 No.503811
    It seems that every discussion of anything Polish on any board is inevitably bound to end in a series of polandballs.

    thisiswhywecanthavenicethings.jpg
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:15 No.503817
    >>503811
    That's because Poland is uninteresting without comics
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:15 No.503818
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    Polish bookreader (on cellphones).
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)18:15 No.503819
    >>503762
    Yeah, I didn't go the a normal polish HS, I got the IB Diploma so we didn't have too much of Polish lit there, we had more stuff by Dostoyevski or even 100 Years of Solitude by Garcia. And some Julio Cortazar too. So I missed a lot of polish lit, now I gotta get back to it.

    Downloading some Hłasko as we speak.
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)18:18 No.503829
    >>503785
    >>503795
    LOL
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_%C5%BB%C3%B3%C5%82kiewski
    Stanisław Zółkiewski - He was the FIRST European invader of Russia to seize Moscow and the ONLY ONE who ever captured it.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:18 No.503830
    I wanna fuck Poletard.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:20 No.503837
    >>503829

    How does one seize a city without capturing it?
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:21 No.503842
    >>503811
    but polandball is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:24 No.503846
    >>503819
    Kopernik? Or some other school? And you probably study at Oxford now? ;)
    I liked Hłasko. Reading Kapuściński right now (not because of the biography scandal and all that shit, he's just a good writer).
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:24 No.503848
    >>503830
    Well isn't that nice.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:34 No.503874
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    Bumping with Jacek Dehnel, who might be an unbearable snob but his poetry is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:35 No.503877
    Poles didn't capture Moscow, they were let in by the pro-Polish faction of the Boyars. The city was betrayed by its own aristocracy.
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)18:35 No.503878
    >>503846
    1 LO im. S. Staszica, Lublin. And no, I'm working in a chain convenience store in NYC at the moment and I've applied for CUNY for a graphic design course.
    I'm going back to the motherland at the end of April for about 3 months.

    I have a good friend there who's into Polish literature, so I'm gonna bother her about some books. Last time she borrowed me "Mała Apokalipsa" - T. Konowicki, which, I think, was responsible for reconsidering serious polish literature again. Before that, I was a fantasy/sci-fi junkie.
    Where you at/from, out of curiosity?
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:36 No.503881
    How about Czesław Milosz, you faggot? And Adam Mickiewicz and a fucking wit Stanisław Lem and another helluva wit Stanisław Jerzy Lec?
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:43 No.503900
    >>503878
    I saw Konwicki some time ago at the Czytelnik cafe. I live near Warsaw right now. I'm not really 'from' anywhere.
    Good luck to you! You're obviously young, talented and ambitious :) Enjoy Poland when you get back here :)
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:51 No.503929
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    Grass, grass up to my knees!
    Grow up to the sky
    So that there won't seem to be
    Any you or I

    So that I will turn all green
    And blossom to my bones,
    So that my words won't come between
    Your freshness and my own.

    So that for the two of us
    There will be one name:
    Either for both of us - grass,
    Or both both of us - tuwim.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)18:51 No.503933
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    >>503877

    Same difference.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)19:01 No.503968
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    I approve of this thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)19:08 No.503996
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    Hello, my name is Jarosław Iwaszkiewicz and I've recently become a literary gay icon.
    >> Polish c/lit/ 04/01/10(Thu)19:09 No.504000
    >>503900
    Thanks, Im really looking forward to it.
    Good luck to you too, polanon.
    >> Anonymous 04/01/10(Thu)20:23 No.504195
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    heh, at least they can into classical music and ephebophilia



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