No one requested it.

>>500210

>>500210
Actually, they did. And this will be the last thread about the second issue.

>>500223

That's what she said.

These had some interesting stories. It also inspired me to do a bit of poetry and submit it for the third/fourth issue.

Do I have to leave any notes explaining significance or do I just leave the poetry word for word at that email?

>>500233
Whatever you will, bro.

Also, did someone saved the tier list?

>>500233
Anyway you want.

as posted on last thread:
God tier
The Gift
Alecto
The Long Goodnight
Stormtrooper assault (if you're a 40k fan, otherwise it belongs in good tier)

Good tier
Ant on a Hill
Memories of Ukraine
Working the Steets.. etc
Blam!!
Lord Creature
The Pencil
The Darkest of Fiends
A Cool Story

Mid tier
Part 6
Dream
St. George
Litchfield
Buster Story
Part 6

Mostly agree with this except for Long Goodnight being just Phantom Tollbooth lite, kinda lulzy but by no means that good. Ant on a Hill kinda meh too.

Tom Waits for No Man's reviews: complete shithouse

>>500252
Josef K and Jeremy Levett confirmed for /lit/erary idols.

>>500258
Both confirmed as ZWG's All-Stars.

Or is it just a cool story

...


bro.


;_;

>Tom Waits for No Man's reviews: complete shithouse
Agreed, you guys need some decent critics or none at all. There was some decent discussion of Alecto in the last thread if that's still about, and "T.B."'s review of Second Sunset was actually pretty cool daddio.

...so, wait, 200 pages and the only stories that have been seriously picked apart by anyone intelligent are by the same guy?

>>500279
Jeremy's stuff seems to be imperfect but still good enough to be worth a reviewer's time. Josef K has pretty much just got vague orgasmic gushings.

>>500186

Guy who ragged on you like a mother fucker over how bad the formatting/design was for the first issue

would just like to say it's much better now

>>500186
Overall the content and general standards of polish were much higher this time around, well done ZWG.

We would gladly welcome some more reviews.. but no one has sent any. Perhaps we haven't made it obvious enough that we want them

SEND US SOME REVIEWS

>>500309
Are you not taking responses from the threads? That's where most of the actual crit seems to be.

>>500330
the crit here is just tiering and vague "sucks"
or "is awesome" statements.

we need someone to do more in depth stuff. And theres no need to do every story, Tom. Just do a few one interesting enough to pick apart.

>>500348
You missed the threads with constructive discussion then, I guess.
>And theres no need to do every story
Nobody has even said they'll attempt this.
>Tom
Don't encourage that faggot.

Where did you cats get your cover picture?

>>500395
>you cats
>suddenly I imagine the editors on a café, drinking absynth, smoking black cigarettes and listening to ITAOTS

>>500395
A fan made it to us.

>>500395
somewheres

So is there a word limit? And are certain submissions rejected?

>>500405
>A fan made it to us.
I don't believe this blatant lie for an instant, you wretched THIEF!

>>500330
From this point on, we will be adding any interesting reviews posted on 4chan to the following release.
Naturally, we'll only be adding those that are well written and make legitimate points providing constructive criticism. We have seen none of these posts so far, sadly.

>>500411
http://zinewritersguild.wikia.com/wiki/Submission_Guidelines
They're also adopting a policy of pruning outright shit, which is why issue 2 has generally higher quality across the board.

>>500438
I approve of this
>>500426
look harder

You guys are doing a great work on the zine too, cheers mates.

I have a few pictures that may or may not work as covers.
Should I send them to you?

We received a request a week or so requesting that we make a [separate] forum dedicated to this project. Honestly, I don't see the point in it, but just encase... How many of you would actually use a forum if we had one?

>>500464
yes please
zinewritersguild@gmail.com

>>500465
An imageboard installation would suffice. Kusaba x.

>>500465
I personally dislike forums. Also, it would distanciate zwg from lit.

>>500252
I thought I saw The Darkest of Fiends on a higher tier in the last thread...

>>500465
That or use the wiki's talkpages.

>>500210
it's true

>>500465
Terrible idea. Just increase your presence on /lit/, it's not like you guys post that much. Hasn't there been pretty much complete silence between the first two issues?

>>500472
I copied and pasted it from the only one on that page bro.

>>500472
really? it was good, but idk if it compares to the god tier stories

>>500479Just increase your presence on /lit/

No, that would just increase backlash from people who feel like these guys are constantly trying to keep this on the front page to drudge up interest (which they are)

>>500479
zWg is trying to maintain a low profile of sorts. While they want everyone to know about zWg, they don't want to beat everyone over the head with it.

>>500481
Ah, maybe it was my imagination then. I was rather fond of that story.

>>500482
I think it was one of the best stories, especially considering it was the only one of its genre.

>>500490
Hello author of The Darkest of Fiends. Yes, it was good. No, you don't need to care about a tier, look for critical feedback instead.

>>500496
>critical feedback
Fuck all of that around, except for the "God Tier" ones last issue.

In all honesty, just create the forum. Anyone here who's been on /lit/ more than two or three hours know of the ZWG. Trying to keep up new info through threads is a dumb idea, new info will come disjointed to people as well.

Also, forums make it easier for each writer to maybe even get their own little thread so they can answer fan questions.

>>500501
Ignore this idiot. Permanent forums are an ego-farming catastrofuck. Wiki talk pages and publicly posted email addresses are more than enough.

>>500509
>ego-farming catastrofuck
This wasn't even English and it was still the best thing I've read in ages.

>>500509Constant ZWG threads are an ego-farming catastrofuck


it goes both ways, I feel like forums are the less, and definitely the more practical evil, for both fans and the writers that want to address actual criticism

>>500509
I for one concur with this guy.

Wiki talk pages is where 'tis all at.

Seriously, forums sucks balls.

>>500517
Nobody on ZWG threads is tripping except the editors. Almost all feedback and discussion is anonymous, which is as it should be. "Real" forums just lead to cliquiness and ego-whoring faggotry, besides betraying the whole point of a 4chan zine.

They already have a system for giving writers comments and feedback - emails and wiki talk pages. Nobody is using it. What makes you think some shitstain of a BB will be any better?

>>500517
>>500514
>>500509
Fuck forums. Wiki talkpages are just as good and the IRC is a great place. We shouldn't create a community for something from another community. To many layers.

>>500543
>Fuck forums
this

>>500466
Already done, I had the mail ready but wanted to ask first

In a separated note: I made this today ^^

>>500540
You're making it sound like forums would be a permanent thing. If the ZWG admin feels like the forums are a failure, what's stopping him form simply deleting it?

>>500557
It's... are you missing the point deliberately or are you just retarded?

http://zinewritersguild.wikia.com/wiki/Goldensox

SHIT I LAUGH EVERYTIME

>>500552
eeeeeeeeeeheeheeheeheeheehee

>>500552

Those poor trees :(

Just kidding. Good stuff, bro.

>>500552
Oh my <3

>>500570
>>500566
>>500565
>>500552

Wow! You guys are fucking gay.

>>500575
Oh dear, settle down.

>>500575

>>500584
>>500580
Hivemind.

>>500559you disagree with me you are dumb

You're the one making the assumption that it would be an ego-driven wankfest without it actually being made.

>>500587
Because that's how all forums are.

>>500592
generalization, nothing more

>>500552
for some reason, we didn't get them. could you check the address?

>>500591
/lit/ isn't even a year old...

There will be a lot of ruining in here, don't take shit so seriously.

>>500597
Fact, faggot. 4chan has its own set of massive flaws, but conventional forums are fucking wretched for the cliquey ego cults and retarded micro-"communities" they foster. Disgusting system and way more effort and drama for the zine guys than it's worth; would add nothing that can't be done here or on the wiki.

>>500597
Or, you know, the truth.

>>500599
" zinewritersguild@gmail.com "

The subject is "/P/" and has pics, it should be in the "SPAM DON'T OPEN OR YOULL DIE LIKE THE NAZZIE GUYZ IN INDIANA JONES" folder.

>>500604
funny because before visiting tonight i was just thinking about this. 'tis a very true fact.

>>500604Fact, faggot. 4chan has its own set of massive flaws, but conventional forums are fucking wretched for the cliquey ego cults and retarded micro-"communities" they foster


in large forum communities. It'd take months for that even to become a true concern

>>500614
Tiny forums are even worse.

>>500614
the problems are greatest with small userbases, because there's no discussion, just a couple of enthusiastic dudes pathetically posting and waiting sadly for anyone to talk to them.

>>500614
I think you are everyone else who suggested a forum is missing a big thing here, the editors have not even acknowledged the forum idea yet, so they don't give a shit about it. They have the wiki, they have IRC, they have email. That is it.

>>500620


This. They are so horrible.

>>500622
>everyone else who suggested a forum
Hint: there's only one guy for it, and about five guys calling him a retard.

Anyway, now we're done talking about forumfaggotry, what were everyone's favorite stories? I liked Alecto and Stormtrooper Assault, both awesome action pieces.

>>500642
the chainsword fight had me fuckyeahing

>>500642
Both had their problems, Stormtrooper Assault was a complete story but clumsily written, Alecto was much more technically accomplished but had no beginning or end.

Still good though.

>>500655
>>500689
>>500642
>Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie
>Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie
>Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie
>Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie
>Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie
>Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie Valkyrie

>>500252
I am the author of "Dream" thanks for the feedback, but could you be more specific?

>>500552
>>500552
>>500552
>>500552
>>500552
>>500552
>>500552
>>500552
MOAR

Author of Blam!! here, any opinions you wanna throw at me?

>>500711
Well, for what it was, it was really good... Sorry dude, I can't come up with anything really constructive for it, but I did like it.

>>500711
Yeah, what was the point?

Not trolling. I really just didn't understand. Did I miss something?

The fanart for Revolution makes that look like a bunch of high school punks playing truth or dare.

>>500746
only the apathetic one looked young

I am going to submit to this

>>500709
I don't know what to answer...

I though it was clear that I'm a dude. And I happen to be straight...

>>500762
You submitted the final dot of that sentence?

>>500767
I think he wants more pictures of your sexy bound prints.

>>500773
This.

>>500552
FUCK YEAR!
I'm not the only one!

>>500780

Woefully loquacious.

>>500780

Fuck, that looks sweet. How much did that cost you?

>>500792
That's not me, but I just ordered a black and white print out with vinyl covers and binding for about $15 at staples.

>>500792
An unknown amount in ink(I printed it off at home), and $1 at my schools library to have it bound.

I wonder if, when we're on the 40th, 50th issue, people'll have full collections of it.

>>500807

Gonna be a couple years before it gets to that point, ha.

>>500773
You just can't let me dream that someone finds me attractive, can you?

>>500814
Two issues a month, a 'Best of' every six months, special double issue on christmas... Maybe in two or three years.

A "Best of" sounds nice...

>>500807
>>500552 here

I was sort of planning on doing that. It would be cool, even more if I have something in some of them ^^

--------
Mine were around 50 argentifagging pesos both, that's around U$S6 each. But I did them as cheap as I could.
For the next issues I'll try to save money and have them properly printed.

I'm yet to see it on a kindle or a Nook.

Just submitted a short zombie sci-fi story and a young adult serial.

This does seems to be a good idea.

I am inspired to try and write something for next issue.
Likely some more poetry... perhaps following a proper structure and not just free verse...

>>500822
I can see this becoming Shonen Jump in no time.

>>500858
This reminds me: How about a /co/mic and/or m/a/nga section?
It's just luck of people submitting or you want to keep it on words?

>>500869
Not a single related submission until now, an /co/a/ are being cold with us.

>>500869

From my understanding, they will accept anything. Even manga or comics.

I've considered making one just to submit it to the zine and having the honors. However, I have NO experience in making one. Or have a shred of artistic ability.

>>500883
I was about to start writing a webcomic that my gf would draw, but she chickened and the project felt apart... still searching for some drawfag, for some reason they are never around when you need them.

>>500876
I might submit the manga I am working on, next month.

>>500894

Goddamned drawfags.

I was thinking maybe I'll just go ahead and make it myself and hope that I'll be able to find a drawfag in the future that would be able to redo the whole drawing thing.

>>500840
As overused as zombies are now a days, I look forward to what you bring to the table.

>>500729
Well, thanks for your appreciation.

>>500741
I guess if I have to explain it then I didn't really do my job correctly, but it's mostly just about being a kid with an overactive imagination surrounded by adults who just want you to shut up and be normal, I figured 4chan could probably relate.

>>500966
Hey, I really enjoyed Blam!.
It was refreshing.

Cover maker guy here.

Someone asked where the picture is from. It's by a photographer named Brandon Christopher Warren. It's under a Creative Commons license, so it's not "theft." I mentioned in my email to the editors, though, that it needed to be attributed. No one followed up actually asking for the attribution information. Hopefully the edits can mention Warren's name somewhere in the next issue.

Glad some people liked it/hated it whatever.

>>500968
Glad to hear it, all of the feedback I've received so far has been positive so I'm happy. I'm working on some stories with more traditional styles/narratives to submit for upcoming issues.

If I send a completely unitary story, it is liked and I make a saga reusing characters and making it complex far beyond it's original intent and thematic; people will try to punch me through the internet?

>>501077
Ongoing works are accepted and encouraged.

>>501101
But ongoings that rape the original good story?

Wow, looks like nobody gives a shit about poetry.

No respect, no respect at all.

>>501152
In the last thread there were a few mentions of it.
My submissions were not among those mentioned.
Oh well, maybe next time.

Is explicit content allowed in the magazine? I had a few erotic fiction stories that I was thinking about sending in but I wasn't sure if that kind of stuff was allowed.

>>501227
There's a fine line between erotica and alt.sex.stories. If you're the former, I'd submit.

>>501227
>All submissions are considered: poetry, prose, reviews, non-fiction, columns, scripts and anything else you can think of.
>We will never censor your work unless it contains explicit material related to pedophilia. We will try to preserve your work as best we can in the condition you send it to us in, to stay as true as possible to the original material.
Go for it.

>>501235
There is a little bit of pedophilia in one of the books but they are both fourteen and it is totally consensual.

>>501247
Submit it, but flag it so the editors will know to read it over carefully and deliberate whether or not they would like censor it/include it at all.

>>501247
But is it well-written? Titillation =/= well-written.

>>501259
Should I post a bit so you guys know how it is written?

>>501263
No.
Leave that to the editors.

Is there a word limit per story? I have two that I would like to submit but they are between 7-8 thousand words each.

>>501273
>Ideally, a submission should be under 3000 words; while this isn't a hard and fast rule, if your work is significantly longer consider serialising it over several issues. A serial story is guaranteed to be continued in consecutive issues, as long as you submit before the issue deadline.

>>501276
How do you have all the answers?

>>501304
http://zinewritersguild.wikia.com/wiki/Submission_Guidelines

>>501304

http://zinewritersguild.wikia.com/wiki//lit/%27s_Zine_Writers_Guild_Wiki

>>501317
You are not me.
Don't pretend to be me.

>By request, the second thread.

>fill first thread yourself
>claim /lit/ really needed a second one

How long until this circlejerk blows over?

>>501408

Haters being hating.

>>501408

When the Congolese space program puts men on Mars, we'll stop.

>>501323

Fuck off. I'm pretty sure that I am you.

>>501491
*turning this into a novel*

Porn is much Better...

>>501581
It has always been, baby.

Oh fuck yeah ZWG.

>>500990
I completely missed that, even though I just read your email again today. We'll do something about it.

Also, what the fuck is with the "post to facebook" thing below my comment field?
1) I don't want anyone I actually know to know I use 4chan
2) how much did moot make off of this ;/

>>502298
See: today's date

>>502303
Well played mootle.

>>501574
See: Fight Club.

Also: Holy shit the post to Facebook thing actually works.

>>502387
wrong thread buudddy...
>>502331

In other news, ZWG will be releasing a special edition "Vagina Monologues" issue this weekend

it's expected to be about 50% new submissions and 50% vagina monologue exerpt

>>502403

i, for one, was hoping for glorious vagina monologue fan fiction

I'm still confused about the genre choices. Is The Gift really "fantasy"? It seems more horror, but it's all really arbitrary.

I agree.

>>503071
...with what?

>>503155
This project.

>>503178

>>502957
Gotta say the whole use of genres is pretty stupid.

We need to group them up somehow. It simply looks better than having them all clumped in one group. Let us know if you think of a better way of categorizing them.

>>503603
Fiction
Non Fiction
Poetry

>>503653
>>503653
>>503653
>>503653
>>503653

Yeah, that would make a bit more sense.

we will discuss this further. more votes would be appreciated.
the problem i have with it is that it would be something like
fiction: 20 submissions
nonfiction: 2 submissions
poetry: 10 submissions

>>503690
Which is fine and makes more sense than a bunch of subcategories each with hardly any submissions in.

>>503653
best way

>>503745
Looks alright to me, It would save us sorting time.

I suppose it's settled then, and we'll see how everyone responds to the new format. We'll discuss it with the other editors to finalize it.

>>503794
wait.
we do this by vote, gotta be three in favour (greater than 50%). Most of our decisions have been unofficial, but this needs to change if we're gonna settle anything

>>503813
Just talked to goldensox, I think he agreed. If you hung out in the IRC you could've asked him c:

Love the zine, but I do have two concerns:

1) The editing is still pretty shitty. Plenty of typos, grammatical errors, formating fuck-ups, etc.
2) Not enough love for poetry, though this is more in a fan-reaction sense.

>>503834
first edition or second?

>>503834
This is a big question. The second issue MUCH better than the first. They just had to work out a few kinks.

>>503838

There was improvement over the first issue no doubt but my complaints are aimed at the second release.

The excerpt of Revolution with the fan art is neat, but it's a waste of space. That should've just been posted on the wiki or the main site.

>>503865
Could you point out some of the errors you are seeing, and could you possibly offer any suggestions on how we could improve the poetry section? What didn't you like about how it was done?

>>503887

Like I said, get some better editing. Also:

1) Hotlink the ToC. I like how the page numbers actually match up to the pdf but it would be tons easier to click the title and be taken straight to it.
2) Stop the genre categorizing. I know the change is in-process, but for god's sake please just have it by 'fiction', 'creative non-fiction', and 'poetry'. Maybe even add a 'review/article' section if that continues.
3) The formatting seems kind of - bland. It's like you guys are sure whether to have it digital or print and decide on a bi-polar mix of the two. Also, Venus has an annoying as fuck half-box line on it. There's too much white space and it could use a more interesting (but not spastic) font.

That's what I could think of off the top of my head.

>>503908
What about the poetry part?

>>503942

Yea, I don't have the cure-all for that. The only thing I can think of is if you limit it down to the 3-4 best pieces but then the prose would overshadow it in size. Maybe /lit/ just isn't too much into poetry - I think this is more of a bitch on my part than a legitimate complaint.

>>503953
I personally don't give a shit about poetry.

>>504093
different tastes?

9krobot@gmail.com -- would someone please let me know when the first thread gets archived?

I'd really like to submit something to the zine, but I'm worried the stories I tend to write just won't appeal to any /lit/ audience.
Fuck it. I'll do it anyway.

>>504273

The first thread has already fallen off page 15, so if it's archived, it's archived; if it's not, it's not.

>>504278
same here...i write poetry, but who on earth reads poetry?

guess i'll find out lololol

>>500694
What's your point?

>>504292

Variety is the spice of life?

>>504295
The spice must FLOOWWWWWWWWWW

>>504299