Negro mammaries

inb4haters

dude if I minimized your last 3 threads, I'm just going to minimize this thread too

fucking spammer

induring haters

>>404587
Surprisingly, no haters at all.
Of course, random cliche trolls always appears, but we can ignore them anyway.

Oh, so you did delete it. I replied to the review guy and then the thread 404ed. Reposting...

>>404381
Hey, Second Sunset writer here. Thanks a lot for your email, it's both the most encouraging and useful feedback I've got so far. Hope you don't mind that I reply publicly, I like anon to call me out when I get things wrong.

You're right about it being deliberately vague. Darte is a cipher because it really is basically a descriptive piece, and to develop his character would (like speaking in more detail about the valley, or the government, or the war) be to pin myself to details that I was honestly too lazy to actually come up with.
Basically, I see that the piece stands best on its own best without any extra detail or character development, which sort of distract from the story itself (whatever the hell I meant that to be). But if it were part of something bigger, it would need better developed detail everywhere and some sympathy hooks for the reader.

But yeah, as a stand alone piece the Darte character is essentially unnecessary; I just didn't want it to be emotionless description, you know? Second Sunset is almost entirely backstory without any action. My next piece is almost entirely action without any backstory. One day I might be able to write both at once.
Also, your email address is obviously a Dover Beach reference, but is it also a Mortal Engines reference? If so, I need to buy you a drink sometime.

>>404475
Cheers Lind, his email came in a minute before yours, but it's always nice to get one from you :3 You had a chance to look through "Alecto" yet? (Fuck it needs a better title.)

>>404580
How is it being archived?

>>404592
If only all the disinterested posters were as sensible as you.

The review >>404598 is replying to:

On Second Sunset.

The character Darte is essentially pointless. The "story" is a vague potted history of a farm with some nice descriptive work thrown in and having a viewpoint character adds nothing. As a character, he's a failure because he doesn't really express any emotion or opinion, he's not particularly interesting and his few actions add nothing nothing to the story in symbolic or actual terms. On the whole there's nothing to make us sympathize with him. Presumably he's only there to avoid the piece being nothing but a wall of description; in this he is a useful framing device, but that's all he can aspire to be. I would advise that to make this a more satisfying story, you either develop his thoughts and opinions to justify his existence, or cut him and his family altogether and simply describe the valley.

There's a frustrating lack of any solid details, the entire story written seemingly deliberately in the vaguest terms. The descriptive work is long on establishing atmosphere and describing a field in the sun, short on constructing decent mental pictures of the hall or dirigibles or even Darte himself.

The plot... There wasn't really a plot.

The story is well constructed with a wonderfully clean writing style, good flow and capable descriptive prose. The only wearing part was the repetition of "dirigible". The (few) science fiction and setting elements used are original, and you have a clear talent for world-building, though that was helped by the same descriptive vagueness that prevented contradictions or jarring elements. Even without any action or dialog the story was not boring, and the final sentence was quite beautiful.

Overall Second Sunset didn't feel like a story; it felt a background piece, like an introductory paragraph to a new scene in a space opera. For all that, it was an enjoyable read, and easily one of the best pieces in the zine.

>>404605
We're saving the threads as they are, then we're going to update it on the site.
We'll use sup/tg/ system.

>>404610
and they simply shutted the fuck up instead of showing how different and cool they are, it would be even greater.

>>404611
Man this is so much better than that wanker jabbering about Kafka earlier. As critique, and as "I can read this without wanting to rape you with a bayonet."

>>404611
Now do the rest of the zine.

>>404598
Are you by any chance a fan of Iain M.Banks?

>>404629
Agreed. Let's just hope the other guy never returns and thus guy is drafted as the resident reviewfag.

>>404660
He already went to sleep, or so he said.
We would love to have someone as capable as the person who wrote this review, and he didn't seem entirely unreceptive to the idea, but he also didn't seem to jumping for it either.
Hopefully we will be able to find a talented reviewer for future releases.

Been lurking these all day, and had some useful critiques, but I'm off to bed now too. Thanks again guys and goodnight.

>>404680
Sadly, because everyone seens to love this guy.

Whoever is ZWG editor, we were just chatting about this idea in the irc if you'd like to join us

I still didn't get any email....

>>404819
Well eff. We're working on it, don't sweat it man, we still got until march 30.

>>404828

I'm the @ucsc.edu email.

pic related, how I will feel when I get an email back from you

>>404580
>Everthing is getting archived
/lit/ has a ghost board?

I've just read The Collector. The book he was reading is Atlas Shrugged, isn't it?

>>404819
What did you email us about? A submission?

>>404864
Not yet. /zwg/ - Archives is on the way on our servers.

>>404870

yeah

>>404865
I enjoyed the essay about why Rand is an idiot, thought it was appropriate /lit/ related material.

Samefag who bitched about the following excerpt from the beta release here.
>You see, every Pole has two poles: the south and the north magnetic pole. In normal circumstances, which means in Poland, the north pole of a Pole attracts the south pole of another Pole, which is how Poles form relationships and give life to new generations of Poles.

>However, outside Poland, Poles suddenly lose their polarity and transform into poles themselves. North of Poland, they all become south poles; south of Poland, they turn into north poles. Since like poles repel, Polish tourists abroad ostentatiously avoid each other. Whenever Poles travel to Spain or Greece or Croatia, they spend most of their time making sure that there is no other Pole within a 30-meter-radius. Since a Pole cannot personally tell another Pole to stay away from a certain bar or tavern, they use a go-between to communicate.
Why the fuck is this still here?

>>404904
Because it's fucking hilarious.

>>404882
>assuming you're the author
Well, a winrar is you. That was actually not that bad of a story, but that's probably because I can relate to the ways of an addict (comparing rare collecting to pornography certainly helped).

>>404580
ZWG Editor, Thanks man.

>>404904

Because it's lulz

>>404598
Second Sunset was fuckwin, keep it up mate.

Hey, you know how they used to publish novels via magazine? I can't give an exact timeframe, but, for example, Dostoevsky published one chapter one week/month/etc, then published chapter 2 the next week/month/etc, then published chapter 3 the next...

One or two authors should do that if their work is good enough.

>>404998
It's called serialisation, and has been suggested to authors, though I don't think anyone's put in a serialised work yet.

I might.

>>404998

That'd be pretty win if it becomes obvious that the Zine will last beyond its third issue.

Hai, did you get my submission from xxcaptainobviousxx@gmail.com?

>>404998
That's how a lot of science fiction writers got big. Lovecraft, Ellison, etc.

What about this guy who had this drawfag friend that could help us?

I didn't find anything wrong with The Collector. Sure, it was anticlimactic and dry, but the guy was able to overcome his whims with literature. I like it.

Hey, /lit/, /x/ drawfag here. Some guy told me that you were in need of illustrations. If you're interested, my hand is yours.

>>405071
It was no Revolution and the dialogue is wanting, but what's wrong with discovering literature to resolve an obsession? The message was all right.

Anyone who didn't like video games would have a hard time getting it, though.

>More than 900 posts until now

Every other post is one of the "guildmasters" or their sycophants. Your "success" is imaginary.

>>405112

hatersbehatin.jpg

>>405127
I love this project, but he/she's right. It's the same group of anons and the editors and a few authors going around in circles. Occasionally someone new will come in, comment, and leave. It's a bit annoying.

Editors should really petition moot to sticky every release thread for a day or two and then not have any more until the next release.

>>405138

>Implying that they can tell the difference between Anons.

>>405100
cool, send us an e-mail.

zinewritersguild@gmail.com

we were just talking about the need for drawfags

>>404998
I'm considering this when i get my story in order.

i still think OP's a-trollin'

Yeah, so I'm a big fan of that "Snow" piece. Just sayin'...

>>405278
Really? Even after a real live zine came out? Uhh... Why?

>>405314
That's because it's pretty damn good. Honestly, I'm damn surprised by the overall quality here. Hell damn fart surprised!

ITT low standards

>>405416

>coolface.jpg

Also, counter-sage. lol

>>405416
Samefag a-hatin' yet again...

So... second issue is coming out in a week... right? Right?

So. Just read this (fiction parts, at least) and I can say that it is pretty roundly shit. Most of the people included in this can't write. At all. The two stories that I would call exceptions to this are "At the Races: the Expanse" and "Second Sunset", both of which are at least competently written - I would even call "Second Sunset" good. So if you wrote one of those stories you should feel good about yourself. Anyone else who wrote something: you're shit and you have a long way to go before you can consider yourself a writer.

The level of quality was so bad, in fact, that I might actually submit something next time.

The amount of haters has increased significantly since I was last online.

>>405498
Because somehow, you finally got people unconnected to the project to actually read the damn thing. You had so many threads and so much congratulatory spam that we actually noticed this thing. And (as we always suspected it would be) it's shit.

>>405498

Ya leave a turd in the sun, it's gonna get flies.

>>405514
I saw some harsh reviewing going on earlier, but at least it was constructive.

This is just pure hate now

>>405514
I didn't write anything. I read it: some was shit, some not. Pretending it's all shit is pretentious as fuck and makes you ignorant. Then again, no one really wants to read your Sonichu fan-fic, so I can understand how bitter you are.

>>404874
So when will the archive be launched? Seems like some fun discussions were going on when I was offline.

>>405488
second sunset was well written but NOTHING HAPPENED.

>>405053
I know you said this hours ago, but I've been asleep.
My friend said he wanted to see the first issue before he committed to anything. I sent him a copy yesterday, so I'm waiting to hear back from him now.
I should probably email you this since you're probably not here now.

With the release of this publication, 4chan proves that it can not only challenge the odds, but beat them. We ask you to join us in celebration.

Never before has a collaborative project succeeded beyond deadlock,
Never before has a project recieved 15-odd submissions overnight,
Never before has 4chan seen a whopping 100+ page magazine.

Until now.

>>405100
So, can we have your axe?
Drop us an email :3

>>405467
March 30.

>>406415
As soon as we figure out how suptg works.

>>406744
Thank you :3

>>406757
That's why our editors are now forbidden to play Robot Unicorn Attack.

>>406763

That's cruel.

>>406764
Preventive measures so they stop sparkling and grinning.

>>406763

why did you have to mention it? now i want to devote another half hour of my life to that sordid game.

>>406772

>>406772
There will be no shame.

>>406777

bigassmessage.com/218013fe7

Weren't you guys looking for drawfags on /co/ and stuff?

By the way, what do you want the drawfags to do? Just the cover or are you planning to have some illustrations inside the zine?

>>406794
Both when possible.

>>406791
Yes, but we got like two people offering to solve our problem, one was Subotai and his pro drawfag friend, and other was this /x/ drawfag who didn't emailed us.

>>406798

Sorry if this has been already covered in the thread, but I was wondering if you were mainly looking for resident drawfags with several guest ones or a new batch of drawfags with each issue.

>>406803
We need a drawfag to work with us for all issues. It would be great to have multiple artists, but getting even one is being hard right now so I think we'll stick with just having one.

still havent gotten a reply back for my submission...

>>406809
What is your email and when did you send it? We replied to everything received last night, so you might need to send it again

Dark Horse Sense was an interesting set up and I particularly liked the setting, but I was thrown when I got to the "to be continued". Clearly marking the serialised stories as 1/3 or whatever might be a good idea.

Writing was generally solid but there was one clunky paragraph which jumped out at me.
>Outside in the barn was a rusty wreck of a bike. He pulled it out, spray-lubricated all the parts he figured needful in getting to town.

Both
>Outside in the barn
and
>figured needful
really distracted from what I was reading.

>>406812
jimeechims@hotmail.com

I'll resend if need be, any specifics regarding format?

Should i attach or just put the short in the email?

>>406812
Also, half the 'Second and This Issue' labeled emails aren't unanswered because we still have to set the automatic email thanking the author for the submission and asking him to register himself on our wiki.

>>406825
Second and Third*

>>406822
Nope, I don't see it.
Either format is fine.
Thanks for the submission c:

>>406812

Oh and i sent it last night, might have been a crucial detail...

>>406825
Ah, that's where they were.
I will reply to these emails now.

>>406831
Aight then, Lind. Sorry for making you do my bulk work.

>>406831

Just re-sent

Blargh

:l

If you're still accepting everything but publishing a shorter mag, aren't you guy(s) going to be working on at least the 4th or 5th by the time the 2nd comes out?

>>406842
They're already on the fourth. :/

>>406842
We're currently accepting submissions for the third and fourth issues.

>>406842
They're likely going to a bimonthly release, and talking about more quality control to at least cut back on the truly awful pieces.

>>406842
Perhaps, but if we are that far ahead, then we will release a bimonthly release for the next month, on the 13th.

SICK was a masterpiece.

The Collector was slow. The dialogue was pretty shit, and the topic was ... boring. But I liked the ending and I liked it overall. Loved how he used Joyce in the end.

I just read the zine (or better, I read what seemed to be worth my time after one paragraph or so, the collector could not hold my attention btw, surprised by the praise).
Well, the stories were actually better than I had expected. Altthough the setting was a little too familiar Revolution was onto something. THe Only Night worked on some levels, even though I suspect not exactly as the author intended. At The Races and How This Ends were enjoyable in their brevity. Pawn Shop was well written IMO, but ultimately it felt too much in love with a cliché for me.
The creepypasta-sectian was very entertaining.
Reflections Of A Pole-Tard was hilarious, really enjoyable and well crafted (the narrator was despicable, guess that was intentional). I felt troublingly familiar with some paragraphs, my memory is fucked up though and I wouldn't yell "plagiate!" Even though I got comfortably through Pseudo-Intellectual Essay, the title, just as with french cuisine, was promising something to me personally that probably could not have been met anyways.
Poetry was somewhat unimpressive though. Kudos to the hrothgar-scribe, I did not actually read it, but that shit sure took discipline.

Regarding the editing:
The various sections don't make much sense to me. Otherwise, keep up the good and foremost unrewarding work.

always
i want to be with you
make believe with you
and live in harmony, harmony
(oh yeah!)

>>406877
Overall, people thought the collector was one of the worst submissions

>>406877
wow, for someone who said it was better than you expected you offered some very patronizing critique, asshole

>>406877
thing is, he just took too long to get to his 'climax,' it wasn't horribly written as people say but it's just not as good as the others

but his message was good enough. if you can't get over something, read.

Just came back from an internet hiatus, what's with all the haters? Anyway, just picked this up, the pieces are better than expected. Keep up the great work guys.

I am actually thinking of submitting a essayesque satire called "The economy of attention - consequences of anonymous discourse".

... I have to shorten it up though, stressing the punchlines, because I get the feeling that hardly anything will be read in its full length that exceeds two pages.

>>406877
What did you think of Second Sunset? That and Sick seem to be collecting the most praise.

or was the first paragraph not good enough for your sensibilities?

These threads are cancer.

>>406917
Why?

>>406891
appreciated

>>406906
sounds neat, we'd love to see it

>>406877
Poletard here, I'm glad you liked the Reflections! Funny that it seemed familiar to you, haven't we ever met in Crewe or Stoke? The narrator is an exaggerated version of me, I'm actually a pretty stereotypical pisshead poletard girl.

>>406906
I'd read it, even if it was 2,5 pages long.

>>406918
So many prentinous assfucks

btw
/b/ has contribute more and recognized by the mass media

>>406907
I have read it, but I had to take a look again just right now to even remember what it is about. It reminds me of the beginning of A Farewell to Arms, not stylistically but in its very descriptive fashion. And while I do not share the criticism Farewell got for this part, I found it was somewhat unrewarding. It felt sketchy. The writing itself was sound IMO, but I just washed over it to be honest, maybe its intentions evaded me. Well, they certainly did, because I dont remember any...

>>406922
>/b/ has contribute more and recognized by the mass media

I lol'd

>>406922
/b/ is on 205 million posts
/lit/ on 400,000

give us time.

>>406924
Well its true

>>406931
/lit/ has nothing

>>406932
Like having Fox News jabber in a confused alarmist way about you is a sign of legitimacy.

>>406922

>cho has contribute more and recognized by the mass media

>>406921
we most certainly have not met. I heard a lot of "pole" jokes in my day though (I am from Germany, in many social strata making fun of our eastern neighboors is still quite fashionable) and there is only so much room for variation, so thats were I got that impression from most likely. The Part about the inter-polish hate, that felt really familiar as well. I read a magazine coloumn once, about a guy talking to a hungarian cab driver about hungary and their language, that I think was somewhat similar. Well, you eastern people are maybe a little grim in general.

>>406935
http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2010/01/youtube_porn_4chan_lukeywes1234.html

well, /b/ is basically a humongous, liberally supervised meme-machine that by the sheer size of its user/lurker-base distributes shit all over the internet...
... not much can really compare to that

I am surprised that network/communication/cultural/distribution theorists arent all over it, drenching every drop of theoretical essence out of it...
... maybe I just found what I write my masters thesis on, or maybe that guy >>406906 already did so

>>406946
>blog

>paris has contribute more and recognized by the mass media

>>406968

>>406968
she has contributed a lot to the sexual satisfaction of males all over the world as well, thats reason enough to build her a statue in front of every major "entertainment" district

>>406945
Yeah, you guys make being a poletard in Germany kind of painful :) In no other country have I constantly kept my voice low so that people wouldn't hear me speak Polish. Well, maybe apart from Russia... and Austria and... ffuck.

>>406984
blitzkrieg
blitzkrieg
blitzkrieg
blitzkrieg
blitzkrieg

>>406990

>>406981

>as well

as well as what?

and she hasn't contributed anything, shes a receiver (the exact opposite). perfect example of a cumdumpster IRL.

>>407000
Blitzkrieg
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>>407002
she never submitted to the zine

>trollface.jpg

>>406990
we dont need to militarily invade other countries anymore... we just go there as tourists or buy all their shit

Blitzkrieg
Blitzkrieg
Blitzkrieg
Blitzkrieg
Blitzkrieg
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>>407024
>reported.jpg

enjoy your prison

>>407037
prison? that guy wont even get looked at by a mod for that

sooooo.... what was this thread about again?

>>407043
check and check

>>407048
release of the zine; see top

>>407055

The best laid threads o mice an men gang aft agley.

>>407126
yeeeaahh....... whatever

>>407126
heh, just as long as people are reading the first post,it's all good

>>407140
nice spam

>>407152
where the heck

what the hell is this shit. You want to bring out content through an outdated model of editors or rather "gate keepers of content"? 4chan is an open place that can do just fine without information censors. Just use 4chanarchive.

>>407152

nice.........oh wait thats right: despite your posting thousands of times across multiple boards attention whoring, you have never once said anything that resembles a profound or coherent though. everyone is dumber due to your presence on 4chan.

>>407196

>does not understand the project

>>407200
>you have never once said anything that resembles a profound or coherent though

Why should I have anything that resembles a profound or coherent ?Why do I need any sort of "acceptance"?Posting anything "profound" or "coherent " give you some kind of high?

>>407225

it would mean that you would be posting for the benefit of someone other than yourself.

>>407233
Are you fucking kidding?You know thats bullshit because not everybody has the same ethics

For all the naysayers out there, we understand a lot of your complaints. We're attempting to tread a thin line between quality and quantity, because, frankly, they're occasionally exclusive. We'd like to incorporate all the works that we receive so that everyone can have a voice, but at the same time trying to develop a higher quality presentation than a simple copy-and-paste job.

Obviously, there's a lot of work yet to do in this regard, but remember that this is still the inaugural version. We're a team of strangers that are getting together on our own time to try and make this work, so there are a lot of kinks in our design processes that have yet to be ironed out.

We ask that you please bear with us in our efforts to make this work. It is simply a group effort to give the various writers on 4chan a place to express themselves for their peers. While there are many other ways they can do this, the fact that they choose the /lit/ zine as an avenue speaks to a development of community that we are hoping to foster.

If you don't like what you read, by all means we encourage your feedback. It would be nice if it could be constructive rather than simply detracting.

>>407238

nice sophism. your post is a perfect exemplification of what i was talking about in
>>407200

>>407239

I liked this project until it became the small team of editors deciding what was good and bad. An open voting system would be hard to implement, but would be the only way of making things fair.

>>407243
Which is still bullshit since /lit/ works My Opinnion > Rest

Besides why should I state something that has be already thought out?

>>407239
I dont like the fact that we have to deal with you editors and your fragile states of mind that can censor content which people might like. No one needs such an outdated and redundant model with 4chan and 4chanarchive around.

>>404580
Our only goals in editing to improve quality is to not add the absolutely worst works, or at least require that they be improved before they are added.
And it doesn't take a literary expert to recognize the worst works. Anyone could have recognized that the ff7 review was poorly written and uninteresting, and really just a waste of space in the release.

And I doubt many people would disagree that The Collector could have been improved throughout, as far as grammar and sentence/paragraph structure goes.

>>407250
>>407245
I'm not sure where you're getting any of this information, but to date we have not rejected any submission. To date, we have never said no to an author who wanted their content in. We haven't even edited any of our stories for anything other than typos and light grammar/proofreading, and a lot of that was me personally in the latter sections.

As of now, to my knowledge, we have not decided on rejecting anyone still. The plan is to keep the zine an open forum for submissions, but allow users a way to rate the content. That is still very much a work in progress, but it's one of the goals on our horizon.

>>407268
I asked for my name to be changed, you didn't change my name.

>>407271
I don't handle those emails or edits; I mostly proofread. I'm sorry we missed that, but better communication management is another aspect of the ZWG that we're hoping to improve in the future.

Like anything, it takes time and effort.

>>407268
Honestly, I would prefer if you DID edit the submissions a little more. There is a lot of material in your first issue, and a lot of it is not very good.

That said, I totally applaud your aims in publishing this. I think it's great that you have an interest in amateur zine publication and I might try and make a couple of submissions myself, but the production would really benefit if a little fat was cut.

>>407247

It's called mutually beneficial discourse, whereas you post only for the betterment of yourself.

>>407268
You dont get it, there is no need for you content moderation. Its just another link in the chain which is redundant and only has con's. Except the spell checking, but so far I have no problems correcting the mistakes on the archived threads myself and I doubt that anyone else has this problem.

>>407268
>As of now, to my knowledge, we have not decided on rejecting anyone still. The plan is to keep the zine an open forum for submissions, but allow users a way to rate the content. That is still very much a work in progress, but it's one of the goals on our horizon.

Whats this?Thought you said only 60 pages...

>>407286
Additional works will be put in the next issue. They will not be discarded.

>>407283
this format delivers the best content to post ratio. 4chanarchive would still have posts such as yours that people would all just scroll past.

>>407271
what is your name? i will try to forget it then...
... actually I wont, it might just give me a starting point to harrass a total stranger over the internet

zwg irc
bear.freenode.net
#ZWG
port 6667

>>407291
Then make a fucking reddit/4chan hybrid (which exists already).

Oh hey, haters. Who'd have thought?

>>407305

Or I can just be appreciative of what has already been created for the community, which is exactly what I want to read (a collection of writings by our generation); instead of bitching, moaning, and trolling about it.

Do you think this magazine will ever be worthwhile enough to actually be used as a reference to publishers?

>>407323

I don't know. But what I do know is that if you are enthusiastic enough to help make it as such you can write, read, and/or give constructive feedback to the writers.

Great 'zine. I mean it. Rough start, sure, but goddamn, you pulled a fucking LITERARY JOURNAL out of 4chan for fucks sake. That's something.

However, i'm sick of these threads fagging up /lit/ every goddamn day. There's gotta be a better way to organize this, like one thread you can get the mods to sticky. They'll do it when they see the results you've produced.

>>407336
Pretty sure one mod commented a few threads back that they basically don't give a shit about /lit/.

>>407336
>mods
>4chan

>>407323
We'd like to think that it may be someday, but it's a bit early to start that sort of pipe dream.

>>407319
The people who created this are responsible for the delivery of content. People from whom we know nothing about. They are basically just delivering a watered down version of 4chan, a tap which they hold their hand on. The downside is much bigger (complete censorship) than the upside (removal of non relevant posts.) One of these lets you scroll past, use filter extensions all in your own safety. Sunk costs dont mean shit if it becomes apparent that the project is useless down the road.

>>407336
That would be ideal, but to be honest I'm inclined to agree with >>407342 and >>407340. I doubt we'll see any real moderation action in here, and I doubt the moderators will give us any special privileges or attention just because we'd like it.

Using our own website a bit more constructively is also a good idea for the future, but that would be far down on the list of priorities.

>>407353

Well you made it this far. I know MODS=FAGS, but surely this is worth a sticky. Ah well.

>>407351
I'd like to hear some constructive advice for how you'd like us to handle it. I don't want to start any fights on this, and I appreciate and acknowledge all feedback, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

It seems to me that the two basic sides are: 1) Accept everything and 2) Edit out the stuff no one wants. Obviously, those are mutually exclusive. A potential rating system would seem to be an acceptable compromise.

What are your thoughts?

>>407362
constructive advice? Scrap the project. Stick with 4chan archive. Its as good as it gets.

>>407370
If you're so disintered, just hide the threads.

>>407351
The fallacy in your argument is that you are making this a 4chan vs. ZWG thing. The /lit/ board is for literature discussion. So what the creators did was make a collection of writings by 4chan users to discuss on the /lit/ board.

I'm sure if somebody writes something that doesn't get published and they make a post regarding it, the post would get a great deal of attention because people would want to know why the writing was rejected.

>>407370
see
>>407374

the /lit/ board is not a place for people to dump their writings and neither is 4chanarchive. the /lit/ board is for literature discussion. that is why this project has been created.

yeah, I dont get the hate regarding that the zine is just a inferior version of 4chan. Its nothing remotely like that. Its not like they are copy-pasting stuff from threads into a pdf, its texts that are written by anons (or not so anon tripfags) and they chose to submit put into a collection. It is neither better nor worse than lit, it is something different that is connected to lit. Because, honestly, you retards who keep posting their bullshit excrements of stories on lit are ruining the board more than a anthology of this crap where one can read selectively or even chose to ignore it at all. Because we all know the first page needs to be reserved for objectivsm/libertarian/hipster trolling, not for dumb amateur-writing.

>>407373
that is what is so great about 4chan. I can stay here and state my opinion and you can do nothing about it.

I love it openness. Yet under people like you I would be censored. Censored in favor of some person whois ambition it is to use an outdated model for content delivery to shove down our throats.

>>407391
>I love it openness. Yet under people like you I would be censored.

Censored how?

>>407384
exactly. i think that the existence of this publication drastically improves the /lit/ board.

>>407374
>why the writing was rejected.

and poof.... We are back at the human drama aspect. Which I came to 4chan for to avoid.

>>407398
That was a completely hypothetical counter to your misconception that the publication is for some reason rejecting writings.

>>407391
well, i really see where your argument comes from, and its fine by me, even if I dont agree.

I hope you are not one of those retards that keep coming up and make a thread about their stupid self-written stories though. Because those wall-o-text threads are totally unappealing and unneccessary. Thats why I hope those idiots will submit it to the zine, hoping for their big success there, instead of annoying me. (the zine is fine IMO btw)

>>407398
so that I could avoid it*

>>407414
If that ever happens, direct them to the zine.

>>407411
its a property of editors in general. Especially with editors from whom we know nothing about.

I don't think that there would be many willing people that are willing to give up the safety of 4chan for a potentially hazardous platform.

>>407432

and put your tinfoil hat bad on.

>>407456
How does the personality of the moderators or editors have anything to do anything if they accept all submissions? They've already said they don't reject anyone.

>>407456
4chanarchive is shit and not even a remotely workable solution.

>>407506
something a bit more like the suptg archive, with ways of posting individual stories, might actually work. but yeah. 4chanarchive is horrible.

>>407520
The suptg solution is one that we are looking into.

>>407505
and how can we tell? They hold the strings of the entire system.
>>407506
4chanarchive saves threads which you can read later. I am not sure what is so shit about it. It saved all of the threads that were dear to me in the past and I have been using it for more than 3 years.

>>407566
Because 4chan is neither a good format or a good environment to post individual pieces or compilations. Putting them together in a zine works. Dumping individual pieces (since every author would be posting on their own), without any formatting, is fucking useless and would get everyone screaming "this isn't /fanfic/." 4chan archive is a mediocre archival system (far surpassed by suptg) and a fucking horrible fiction archive.

>>407578
Then make an archive yourself. No need for the old editor style system. You could simply flag all the relevant posts and introduce a script that minimizes the useless posts.

>>407566
>and how can we tell? They hold the strings of the entire system.
You could tell because any author who didn't see his or her work published in the zine could then show email proof of submission and show everyone on 4chan or the internet that their work wasn't accepted.

Jeez, it's like you're comparing the zine to the Apple App Store.

I wrote a story making fun of Sarah Palin's upcomming reality show called "Sarah Palin gets some Speech Therapy." It is very rude, would it fit your webzine?

>>407607
what if it gets popular and you can afford to ignore writers? This is what usually happens. Its all fine and dandy one day and when you established your reputation you no longer care about the small people. They get crushed by whatever fanbase manipulation tactics that you can employ. I would rather rely on a system than on people.

>>407566
Counter-sage, because you're a douche.

>>407635
If the zine somehow becomes some evil megacorp (why am I taking you seriously) then the poor, misunderstood writers being pushed out of their niches by the imperialist aggressors are welcome to post their work here, or, as you suggest, use the laughable 4chanarchive.

How do I submit? I am supposing that you pay via exposure...?

>>407607
Why do so much work?

>>407663
>contact us via zinewritersguild@gmail.com

>>407663
>pay
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is a 4chan compilation. Even if there were money involved, you shouldn't take it.

>>407635
That's a pretty big "what if."

So your entire premise is that you're upset at the possibility that you might be rejected?

>>407663
There is no money involved in this whatsoever. This is a volunteer effort, on all sides.

Where is your website?

>>407679
dumbass, exposure is a term used in the publication industry. I clearly said pay in exposure.

>>407709
Whoops, sorry, I misunderstood.

Perhaps some day this zine will become something more than a hobby, and may eventually provide something useful for aspiring authors. However, it's a bit early to pin any hopes and dreams on it.

>>407709
Can you repeat your sentence without using the word exposure?

>>407700
See the first post: http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com/

>>407720
Exposure means they are just letting you get your name out. It is not monetary pay, but is still considered a form of payment for publication.

>>407709
if you were as clever as you pretend to be and had any actual experience with the publication industry you wouldn't even be reading this thread.

Sorry for being snippish, this looks like an honest thing you're doing. I have made note of your email. :)

>>407732
Otherfag here, I disagree. I'm pretty sure there's a whole bunch of /lit/fags involved in legit publishing-related stuff. Editors, proofreaders, translators, publishers...

>>407732
The publication industry includes webzines.

A 4chan zine is a really stupid fucking idea. Submit your work to a real zine. If you want exposure, anything related to 4chan will always be the worst way to get it.

>>407759
Why? I like 4chan.

>>407731
So you basically said
>>How do I submit? I am supposing that you pay with publicity?
It sounds strange and I strongly believe that you tried on purpose to be misunderstood.

>>407759 If you want exposure
I see your problem.

>>407779
>I like 4chan
So does everyone else here. But trying to get literary exposure from a website that's known mainly for a) pedophilia and b) hackers on steriods, isn't exactly the brightest idea. There's really no incentive in submitting. The time of e/lit/ists can better be spent constructively elsewhere.

>>407792
Why else would you submit? You're not getting paid. This zine is a huge waste of time. And it only serves as a spawning point for tripfaggots.

>>407798
Notice how no one submitted under anything other than a trip or a pen name?

No one is looking for exposure. They're looking to share their stuff with /lit/.

>>407814
see
>>407811

>>407814
What's the point of establishing a zine then? We can share stories anonymously on this board. That's what it's for.

>>407814
>no one submitted under anything other than a trip or a pen name?
>No one is looking for exposure.
>a trip or a pen name

>>407824

Oh, I see, so with the magical 4chan tripcode, they will be noticed by paid publishers, and will sell novels with the tripcode on the front. Yes of course.

>>407798
You don't lose anything from it.
People do it for fun.
They use pen names.
They know it is not a real dip into the publication industry.
They don't believe it is.
You don't have to tell them so.

I think you are being dense. Therefore, if you post again in the same manner I will just repeat each of these sentence but in capital letters.

>>407821
Would you like 40 threads with stories chopped up into little blue boxes with sage posts and nonsense trolling interspersed?

I prefer one pdf, and one thread for discussion.

I'd rather /lit/ didn't become /CHECK OUT MAH STORY/

This is a nice and safe little nook for it.

>>404580

Thanks you for doing this, I look forward for the future issues

>>407837
>>407837

Then do it "for fun" on the board. Fuck that ZWG bullshit.

>>407919
>>407845

>>407919

a 4-page story on the board is a pain in the ass to read. I wouldn't read such a thing. Why does this bother you so much?

>>407837
>>407845
This. Thank you, anon.

There should be a FAQ on the wiki that answers this ceaseless repetition of the same few arguments against the zine. Honestly, anyone else that posts in these regularly will have noticed but there's only like three variations on the haters we get and they've all been sufficiently refuted and moved on from in the past.

>>407919

oh and btw, the board is /lit/ - Literature, not /lit/ - Amateur Writing Samples. I come here to discuss books, not read shitty stories by anon.

>>407938
Hence the logic of keeping it all in a zine rather than shitting up the board with everyone posting their stories.

>>407938
So hide the threads and fuck off. Just because the literature here isn't literature by your standards it doesn't mean this isn't the right place to post it.

http://plus4chan.org/boards/writ/

There's a place for amateur writing. Now fuck off, and stop spamming your zine on this board you cur.

>>407963
As opposed to just using /lit/? You fuck off. It's one thread and our board as much as yours.

>It's one thread and our board as much as yours
>implying that us "haters" care
>implying that we'll stop complaining

>>407963
Your logic is spurious. Your intent is suspect. Your solution is obvious. Fuck off and hide the thread.

Bump. Haters are full of shit and are prolly the guys of the failed The /lit/ project who are suffering from severe post-lynch butthurt.

>>408169
>Haters are full of shit and are prolly the guys of the failed The /lit/ project who are suffering from severe post-lynch butthurt.

oh dear god

>>408173
look the haste of her answer! she's the ultimate ZWG Tsundere ;33333

also, tell me you applied to work a reviewer on the zine plzplzplzplz

>>408186
tsun tsun ;3~

>>408186
>>408196
huh?

Another hater here. Can I just show some support to those being attacked in this thread and add my voice to the choir? This zine is terrible. I read it with an open mind. Its proponents are terrible. I came to that conclusion after reading this thread.

To all the haters: <3
/haterfist

>>408205
all haters are tsun tsun because they cant do any better ;3~~

More like Yandere, mirite?

>>408216
Tsundere.
I...It's not like I like this zine anyway.

>>408211
Oh yes they can

>>408208
this. with one or two exceptions, the vast majority of the content of the zine is utter shit.

like, I don't mean "I don't like this story" type shit. I mean, this is not fucking competent writing. Most of the authors who wrote these stories have no idea what they're doing, they're just aping the outward appearances of things they've read. They are really fucking bad.
>>408211
now you're just being stupid

>>408216

The threads themselves are yandere lol

They start out warm and inviting but then turn sour.

>>407718
Maybe one day, a publisher will get wind of it and start publishing some of the best work. But yeah, it's too early to determine something like that.