My brain hurt from reading op post.

>>2718999
>it feels okay
>we don't use cancer here: there's a guy trying to force the term "roach", but people mostly ignore him
>plenty
>they're not comparable
>i think the price of producing a video game stifles creativity to a certain extent, but who knows what things will be like 20 to 30 years down the line
>yes

>How does it feel to know your hobby isn't in the shitter right now?
I don't know.
>Does saying something like "(widely renown as good thing here) is cancer" spark as much butthurt here as it does there?
Troll threads aren't very noticeable.
>Is there as much controversy over personal preference? Or as we like to call it, denial.
Not that I've noticed.
>Do you think video games are on as on par as an art form as books?
They can be.
>Is everyone here as big of a retarded faggot as there?
Not as much as /v/, no.

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Also, is there such thing as a disgusting filthy casual?

>How does it feel to know your hobby isn't in the shitter right now?
It feels alright, despite the fact that people new to literature believe all contemporary lit is in the shitter. But I'm glad at how well contemporary world literature is going at the moment.
>Does saying something like "(widely renown as good thing here) is cancer" spark as much butthurt here as it does there?
Sort of, but I get the feeling most of the butthurt over that sort of thing is feigned here. Everyone likes to argue here, even if they don't give a shit about what they're arguing for or against.
>Is there as much controversy over personal preference? Or as we like to call it, denial.
Plenty. A lot of genre fiction vs. literary fiction, ebooks vs. physical books, etc. No one wants to let other people read what they want.
>Do you think video games are on as on par as an art form as books?
Not yet, but I think they have the potential to be. They haven't really had as much time to develop yet.
>Is everyone here as big of a retarded faggot as there?
Yes. I haven't been to /v/ much, but you'll get plenty of shit posting here as well.

No, op, /lit/ is actually a lot like /v/.

We believe our hobby is in the shitter of postmodernism and genre fiction, just like you believe videogames are only FPSs, gimmicks and 3rd person cover-based shooters.

Your "Chrono Trigger sucks" is the same as our "DFW sucks"

Personal preference is always controversial. My tastes are better than yours, always, because I'm enlightened and you're a pleb.

Everyone here is a HUGE retarded faggot, especially the tripfags. If anything, /lit/ is worse than /v/ because we don't have a sense of humor and we're so easily trolled.

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>Do you think video games are on as on par as an art form as books?

>>2719026
Yes. We'll usually call them entry level or high schoolers though.

Or our casual could also be the people who read shit like Eragon and GRRM. But I don't know that we actually have many of those. There's more of the pseudo-intellectual Penguin Classics types.

OP, thank you for posting here. It is refreshing to see someone post other than the same 10 assholes all day. Now for your questions:

>i dont feel
>no, everyone argues about ever thing here and we don't have a general consensus, other than that infinite jest is the best book ever written. which is wrong
>yes
>video games are certainly an artform, but they are and will for the near future remain inferior to literature.
>its possible video games will surpass literature in many ways and ultimately be forgotten. I cannot predict the future because I'm not into science fiction or video games
>yes

>>2719026
There's fantasy readers, but we segregate ourselves from them for the most part. Pseudo-intellectual is probably the most closely related term.

>>2719034
>/lit/ is worse than /v/ because we don't have a sense of humor and we're so easily trolled.

1) Go on /v/
2) Post a tier list
3) Put Steam at 'shit' tier
4) Wait for responses

The best way to get a thread going without samefagging.

>How does it feel to know your hobby isn't in the shitter right now?
Reading IS in the shitter. Most of my friends don't read.

>Does saying something like "(widely renown as good thing here) is cancer" spark as much butthurt here as it does there?
Yes but the people here can generally express themselves well.

>Is there as much controversy over personal preference?
Yes

>Do you think video games are on as on par as an art form as books?
No

>If no, do you think they will ever be? Why?
I think they have potential. Thus far video games have been made mainly as shallow entertainment and to make money. Occasionally games are created to raise money for charity, but no games have been created solely to express ideas or better mankind.

>Is everyone here as big of a retarded faggot as there?
Both /v/ and /lit/ are burnt out and depressed but there are some very good people on both boards.

>Also, is there such thing as a disgusting filthy casual?
Yes. Everyone starts out in ignorance though.

>>2719026
No, we get a lot of people new to reading, or people who haven't learned how wonderful books are, but we try to encourage them. Sure, people posting the daily Hunger games threads are reprimanded, but we generally welcome "casuals"

I have never played skyrim in my life; The last videogame I played was on an sega saturn. But what is wrong with people enjoying it?.

>>2719051
Apparently casual here and casual there mean to very different things.

Casual here
>Someone new to reading
Casual there
>Total retarded consolefaggot who doesn't know shit about video games

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>>2719047


>Thus far video games have been made mainly as shallow entertainment and to make money. Occasionally games are created to raise money for charity, but no games have been created solely to express ideas or better mankind.

>>2719056
I know it's all platitudinous and shit. I'm sorry. I'm tired. I promise to do better next time.

>>2719051
>I have never played skyrim in my life
>The last video game I played was on my sega saturn

I am pretty sure the last game you played being on the Sega Saturn is the only way you could enjoy it. You aren't missing much, but then again you guys are all about the 'story' and shit.

>>2719062
Wow, you guys are a lot more mature. Huh.

Someone hasn't heard of pro-consumer indie games.

>>2719067
Tell me about these pro-consumer indie games.

>>2719069
Basically, a game developer decides to not go with a publisher, and rather goes to personal funding or donations from the fans to make a game based on what they ask for rather than what is guaranteed to sell. With it, they make sure to have little to no DRM involved and a low price tag, along with continuous updates.

>>2719055
>Total retarded consolefaggot who doesn't know shit about video games.

What is there to know? Don't you just guide a character around a virtual world collecting or shooting things? It's hardly a discipline that requires any skill. Just repetitive button pressing.

I'm sure you juts structure some kind of gamer hierarchy based on both the difficulty and popularity of the game, sneering at those who like the more popular ones. You don't need any kind of training prior to playing, or background knowledge to be able to play. To call people casuals, because they like COD (I have never been to /v/ but I presume this is true?) is just fucking pretentious.

>>2719067
>pro-consumer
>capitalism

shit nigger what are you doing

>tfw I used to go on /v/ all the time, but haven't been back in a while
>just went back
>hasn't changed a bit, even with the creation of /vg/
Neat.

>>2718999

I fully believe games to be capable of being art, but as of yet examples of such games are far and few between. Similar situation with comics.

>>2719077
But none of that defines art.

>>2718999
Hiya there, /lit/. I'm here from /v/ and I wanted to ask a few questions.

How does it feel to know your hobby isn't in the shitter right now?
>It is if you compare to modernism

Does saying something like "(widely renown as good thing here) is cancer" spark as much butthurt here as it does there?
>Pleb (FUCK YOU /MU/)

Is there as much controversy over personal preference? Or as we like to call it, denial.
>no

Do you think video games are on as on par as an art form as books?
>Yes

If no, do you think they will ever be? Why?
>earlier answer

Is everyone here as big of a retarded faggot as there?
>more so

>>2719034
It's true that Chrono Trigger is pretty overrated, but not nearly as much as DFW

no one really reads literature here. we read about literature, but not literature itself. unless it gets assigned in class.

this is 4chan after all.

>>2719083
Not even close.

Let's take an example, Tribes. This requires quite a lot of skill, because you are sliding along the ground, using jetpacks, and firing explosives going at about 200 mph. It requires time and dedication to master completely, and is resource demanding so you would need a fairly good machine.

Now, let's compare that to CoD. There, you run around slowly in another gray/brown warehouse shooting more gray/brown terrorists. The guns sound like shit and the graphics are in the toilet. If you like that, you are a casual because you know nothing about video games, just spent $300 on a shit console, and are playing something that requires no skill whatsoever.

>You don't need any kind of training prior to playing, or background knowledge to be able to play.
Are you comparing it to reading right now? Because on it's own that's bullshit, and comparing it to literature is even more bullshit.

Anyone here played The Void? It's a pretty cool, artsy game about Beauty and Death and crap. Check it out

>>2719099

>but not nearly as much as DFW
You take that back you filthy casual

>>2719101
I can imagine, that's the point of the board.

We don't play video games, we just argue about what is better.

>>2719103
Please return to /v/.

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>>2719105
0/10

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I'm not him but I'll reply anyway.

>>2719083
>What is there to know? Don't you just guide a character around a virtual world collecting or shooting things? It's hardly a discipline that requires any skill. Just repetitive button pressing.

>It's hardly a discipline that requires any skill

>based on both the difficulty

If games have 'difficulty' then what does it challenge besides skill? Timing, reaction and problem solving, just to name a few, are skills used in video game playing.

This has to be some trolling.

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>>2719111
Why? I'm having fun here.

>>2719113
>DO YOU EVEN

> VIDEOGAME?

no, not really

>>2719083
>asserts that video gaming requires no skill

>thinks that prior playing and background knowledge don't contribute enormously to your ability to intuitively grasp video gaming (just as with any other form of media)

>calls other people pretentious

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Any equivalent of the PC master race here?

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ITT: instead of analyzing literature, lets analyze a literature image board

Ones singularity arrives lit will be merged with /v and we will all be playing the same game as the same character

>>2719103
>that requires no skill whatsoever.
Just the fact that there is a ranking system in cod means that people have to improve to compete. I even gave it a go and struggled to coordinate the legs with the upper half of the body, yet my friend, whose game it was, could run around and shoot with incredible accuracy. Playing a video game is just like a sport. Sure, there are a few transferable skills but you are just improving in that discipline. If you waste 5 hours playing game A you are no better than somebody wasting 5 hours playing game B, regardless of how you much higher you view yourself.

The same is not true of reading or literature. Even people reading genre fiction are improving their vocabularies, reading comprehension, sentence formation and a wealth of other things that can be applied to the real world. C'mon, son. Even if you claim to have better hand eye coordination, the benefits of reading far outweigh those of playing a game.

You cannot claim any superiority for playing your "Tribes" over someone playing Mario cart, because you are just wasting time staring at a screen when you could be reading schopenhauer.

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saged for overwhelming roaching.

Discuss literature or fuck off back to your shitty videogames, you are not welcome here, roach.

>>2719101
>no one really reads literature here. we read about literature, but not literature itself. unless it gets assigned in class.

easy kiddo, you're projecting your own inadequacies

>>2719142
>struggled to coordinate the legs with the upper half of the body
BAHAHAHAH
Sorry, that was hilarious.

And no, this game requires no skill because of how easy it is. Large, slow moving targets that die in a max of two hits are as easy to kill as a sack of kittens.

>If you waste 5 hours playing game A you are no better than somebody wasting 5 hours playing game B, regardless of how you much higher you view yourself.
Yes you are. Take the Tribes player and the CoD player, now pit themselves against each other in both games. The Tribes player will win every time in either, because Tribes requires a lot more accuracy to aim and fire, and the controls are normally dulled, so when he gets into an environment with a slower movement speed, more accurate weapons, bigger targets, and one hit kills he will always win.

>implying staring at words on paper in complete silence is any better than staring at a screen with explosions in the background

>>2719149
You do realize that an image bumps the thread, regardless of sage, right?

>>2719149
hey kid, what's the deal with you spamming the word roach? Its annoying and you are singling yourself out as a cunt.

stop

>>2719149
I don't like you, roachguy. You're so abrasive and moody. It's pathetic, really.

Remember back in '09 when /v/ was still a decent board? It still hurts a little when I visit it and it looks like Reddit and GameFAQs got pressed together.

/lit/ sucks and it's full of hipsters. It's the same as /mu/.

>>2719142
Exactly, it's like sports: a recreational activity that requires skill and encourages competition and cooperation. All of those things have real world applications, you douche. If you never played a game or sport on any kind of team you're a fag IRL.

>>2719159
That was fixed breh

>>2719159
0/10. Images do not bump threads when saged.

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>>2719160
Is it just this one guy?

>>2719034

On the other hand, though, books don't age like games do. Outside of particularly obscure works, acquiring a particular book is a trivial enough matter, and it's not like the book is going to cease to be usable given a decade or two.

Not so of games. Playing really old games from the NES or SNES era is really quite an adventure that shouldn't need to be so adventurous. Actual consoles that play those games are only decaying by the day, and emulating that hardware provides massive hurdles if one wishes to perfectly replicate the original authentic experience. Just look at this fellow's experience trying to make a perfect SNES emulator:

http://www.tested.com/news/news/2712-why-perfect-hardware-snes-emulation-requires-a-3ghz-cpu/

This isn't really necessary with books. I have books in my house dating back to at least the 50s, and can read them quite well enough even though their binding may be in a state of some decay. In many ways those books have survived 60 years more gracefully than the NES or SNES catalog of games has 30.

(tbc.)

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>>2719166
>>2719168
Oh damn,

and /v/ isn't all that bad, get some pretty good feel threads now and then

0/10 for this entire thread

Saging doesn't do anything and boards are threads are bumped when someone opens them in a new tab to read them. Don't be fools

>>2719174

Meanwhile, modern games are so incredibly advanced compared to older generations the two almost feel incomparable at times. Literature has similarly gone through many different eras but there isn't present as much a sense of progression. Post-modernism didn't by its very existence invalidate modernism, and neither did modernism Victorian literature and the Victorian movement the romantic movement.

But there's a complexity and sophistication to modern games that older games are incredibly hard pressed to keep up with. That's what happens when your medium is so tied to technological advancement. Whatever happens, technology marches on, and games become capable of things older generations were never capable of. This simply isn't present in poetry. The reasons Flanagin's Wake was written in the 20th century and Hamlet in the 16th have nothing to do with some technological innovation having or having not yet been produced, but are strictly related to the mindset & cultural context of the writers.

Writers theoretically have no limitations beyond their imaginations & the very definition of literature, but video game developers are always going to face limitations in the hardware, software, &c. they have to work with. Literature is timeless, but videogames very much rooted in their times.

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my favourite /v/ comic

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What the hell is DFW? And when was the last time someone mentioned Chrono Trigger?

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>>2719165
>I don't like you, roachguy. You're so abrasive and moody. It's pathetic, really.

>Implying I'm actually the roachslayer.
>Implying I didn't just use his new found recognition to sage an irrelevaphant thread that I didn't like.

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>>2719182
>What the hell is DFW?

DFW is the patron saint of /lit//

Get Out

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>>2719182

i'm glad that people on the literature board have strong opinions about video games

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>>2719190
>DFW is the patron saint of /lit//

>>2719182
he's an untalented piece of shit that only plebs who don't know anything about literature love

>>2719215
0/10

>confirmed for never having read his philosophical essays.

Books and video games have different strong points as artistic media.

>>2719228
they're almost as bad as his fiction

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>>2719179
>>2719177
>>2719174
I would somewhat have to disagree.

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hi /v/

now leave

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>>2719182
David Foster Wallace
Post-post-modernist
Wrote 1000+ page novel, Infinite Jest
Hung himself due to massive case of feel
/lit/'s god for now and ever

>>2719263
>Hung

*Hanged.

People can't be hung, unless you're referring to gentleman bits,

>>2719269
Hanged is just an alternative way of conjugating the verb. While it is used more often to describe the act, neither is wrong. Learn more about grammar if you're going to be pedantic.

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>>2719263
Oh, he's your Gaben.

>>2718999
>How does it feel to know your hobby isn't in the shitter right now?
I don't think it is a matter of the hobby being of poor quality. Most people just aren't reading as much as they used to.

>Does saying something like "(widely renown as good thing here) is cancer" spark as much butthurt here as it does there?
Yes

>Is there as much controversy over personal preference? Or as we like to call it, denial.
Yes

Do you think video games are on as on par as an art form as books?
Rarely, and my opinions on which ones are on par would be laughed at (Morrowind and Shadow of the Colossus).

>Is everyone here as big of a retarded faggot as there?
Yes. Also trolling is much more effective here due to everyone taking things more seriously and that includes the trolls taking their role more seriously.

>Also, is there such thing as a disgusting filthy casual?
People who read popular literature (Harry Potter, Hunger Games)/people who read fantasy and science fiction

>Any equivalent of the PC master race here?
People who read "serious"/classic literature

Also we gave /v/ Quentin. You are welcome.

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>>2719282
>I don't think it is a matter of the hobby being of poor quality. Most people just aren't reading as much as they used to.
I was more referring to how much of a disaster E3 was this year.


>Also we gave /v/ Quentin. You are welcome.
Who?

>>2719276
Not when it applies to people, nigga.

"For centuries, hanged and hung were used interchangeably as the past participle of hang. Contemporary usage guides insist that hanged, not hung, should be used when referring to executions: convicted killers are hanged; posters are hung. But see the usage notes below.
Examples:

- Don't mention a rope in the house of one whose father was hanged.

- "A room hung with pictures is a room hung with thoughts." (Joshua Reynolds)

Hanged, as a past tense and a past participle of hang, is used in the sense of “to put to death by hanging,” as in Frontier courts hanged many a prisoner after a summary trial. A majority of the Usage Panel objects to hung used in this sense. In all other senses of the word, hung is the preferred form as past tense and past participle, as in I hung my child's picture above my desk."

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>>2719291
The guy who forced the
>i sure hope you guys don't do this
and made a bunch of anti-pot comics

>>2719281
tha fuck is a gaben?

>>2719292

roach detected

>>2719293
he truly is a god among men

>>2719297
>roach detected
lol. Sorry, but its true:

Hang
Pronunciation: /haŋ/
verb (past and past participle hung /hʌŋ/ except in sense 2)

1suspend or be suspended from above with the lower part dangling free: [with object]: that’s where people are supposed to hang their washing [no object]: he stood swaying, his arms hanging limply by his sides

2 (past and past participle hanged) [with object] kill (someone) by tying a rope attached from above around their neck and removing the support from beneath them (often used as a form of capital punishment): he was hanged for murder she hanged herself in her cell

-Oxford English Dictionary

>>2719292
>Usage panel
Good one. You managed to avoid all the other internet sources disagreeing with you and pick the one that did.

Another /v/irgin here, oddly enough looking to get into reading as a hobby and leave vidya behind as I feel its only holding me back. The only problem is that I don't know where to start and don't want to read shit like Twilight or HP. I just want to constantly read things that grow me as a person.

>>2719303
I just noticed, hung or hanged are both acceptable in the simple past even by the rules of the idiots who ignore usage in favour of whatever they like best.

>>2719303
FUCK OFF PRESCRIPTIVIST
AND ALSO DIE

>>2719312
I congratulate you on your decision. Start with Catch-22.

>>2719314
>FUCK OFF PRESCRIPTIVIST

yer ther 0nli w0rds who need? da correct usage spe1ing or grammer%

>>2719312
Also, from experience in my younger years, I hate all books involving the following:
>US history
>US southern states
>africa
>black people
>anything involving the united states

Its just all so damn boring.

>"Maw and Paw pickin cotton while the plantation..."

Makes me want to kill myself.

>>2719319
exactly, use them however you wish. It's impolite to obfuscate meaning in the manner you're doing so though.

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>>2719319

>>2719323
>It's impolite to obfuscate meaning.

That's what the hung/hanged does to me though, consider the following:

My father fought in the revolution and was hung, much to the generals delight.

I instantly think he had a huge cock.

>>2718999


>How does it feel to know your hobby isn't in the shitter right now?
Reading is sort if respected. But really, it's a lot easier to strike up a converstaion about a video game than a book nowadays, as people don't read.
>Does saying something like "(widely renown as good thing here) is cancer" spark as much butthurt here as it does there?
It actually does spark quite some of that. Not as effective here though I think.
>Is there as much controversy over personal preference? Or as we like to call it, denial.
Yes.
>Do you think video games are on as on par as an art form as books?
No. There's potential, but it's still completely unrealised. Most games, artistically speaking, are shit, and the ones trying tend to try too much and get all pretentious and boring. (which is worse in a video game than in a book)
>If no, do you think they will ever be? Why?
Hopefully. The ever rising indie-game industry would suggest there is at least some positive developement going on. Yet at the same time mainstream games get simpler and simpler and more straightforward. Being "difficult", in any sense of the word, seems to be out.
>Is everyone here as big of a retarded faggot as there?
No. But don't let that fool you, they still are pretty retarded faggots.

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>>2719294
You know... Gaben...

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>>2719281
No, Gaben is too universally loved on /v/. If DFW has an equivalent it is /mu/'s Jeff Mangum.

I think Harold Bloom is our Gaben.

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>>2719353
Ah, then I think I found our DFM.

Wow i had no idea that /lit/ had 70 year old grandpas who don't play videogames. Seriously some of the comments here really proves how isolated this board is from others, i didn't expect that.

And the comparisons you do with both boards. It's like there's 2 different species communicating with each other for the first time.

There's something about this thread that i don't like, but i can't really put my finger on it. Good night people.

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>>2719369
Sweet dreams, love.

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>>2719363
Thanks for stopping by.

>>2719353
but people hate Bloom, too.

I think Borges would be a less popular Gaben. Everyone loves him, but his work is so masterful that it's taken for granted.

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>>2719379
Thank you, I'd love to do it again sometime. I'm off to go be angry about Microsoft, I just love what they cooked up this time.

Toodles! ^3^

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>>2719387
>>2719387
AHAHAHAHA OH MY SAGAN NO WAY