He was in ww1 not ww2

Too bad he died in the Vietnam War

>>2606747

Korean War, idiot.

He died in the Spanish Civil war. Thank god they found the manuscript for "For Whom the Bell Tolls" with his body.

the next hemingway will be a typical loner typing away at his Mac in Starbucks. dont disparage yourself

There will never be another Hemingway. To damn many feminists on planet earth to allow.
What will happen within 50 years when he realize the sorry state of affair we are in and who's responsible.

>>2606762
lmao you fucking loser.

>>2606762

Hemingway got his style from a woman. His tone is overwhelmingly that of Gertrude Stein's more moored moments.

>>2606762
lol shut the fuk up about the world already

>>2606764
There's only two of us here. Your the loser. I'm just stirring up shit.

>>2606764
>>2606765
>>2606766
condescendingdissaprovalmind

>>2606770

You can only be condescended to if you've already debased yourself.

>>2606766
The world belongs to the children. Are you qualified to bear children? Or are you social reformist?

>>2606772
Let's not talk about that. I lover her anyways. But I'm no Jesus

>>2606775
what

>>friends with some of the greatest artists and writers of his day
>greatest artists
Such as?

>>2606772
ive already debased myself as far as it can go.
i hate myself and i want to die

>>2606782
Picasso, one of my favorite Bipolar/Misogynists.

Who has another expample?

>>2606787
I love you.

You are now ready.

Just like Anne Rice's Cinderella.

>>2606787

Then do it, I think that's a good idea.

>>2606789
>any other examples
inb4 duchamp

Greatness in art is not defined by the amount of rebelliousness or self-destructiveness a person has/manifests/shows throughout their lives, that's a different kind of "greatness" the one related to one's character, and it certainly did not manifest itself in his gimmicky compositions either.

>>2606802
He was a manic depressive you silly cunt and so was many of his progeny. Most of our great artists where mental defects. Stop putting suffering on a pedestle you half wit torturess.

>>2606802
art isnt about character, its about concept, the destruction of art is an artistic concept heralded by dada, i mean it can be about character but there is no metaphysical necessity for it to be so. faggot.

>>2606807
>>2606810
Re-read my post -very- carefully before spouting idiotic assumptions about things you have broad/vague understanding of.

>>2606824
>assuming an artist as any choice but to be an artist.
>assuming your post is lecture for a course I must pass.

>>2606838
There's always a choice, those who don't have the will to grasp it are the ones who turn to said self-destructiveness. Creative lives are constant struggles between high confidence and complete hopelessness. There is no higher muse or power that you're destined to constantly nurture throught creative endeavors, that's just another gimmick, and a pathetic one too. Art, in the sake of the matter at hand, began with drawing and painting, if you can't dedicate enough time to doing it, then you'll never achieve greatness, you'll only achieve pseudo-admiration from ignorant plebs who seek deep meanings throughout their own shallow lives, only to find that the only thing stimulating their self-worth is revering a lackluster dimwit like you along with many of your progenies.

>assuming your post is lecture for a course I must pas
Fine, stay in your ignorant mud, cling to delusions further.

>>2606857
Who defines what is art? Answer: the artist. All else are leaches, there are no others but plebs in the face of art. You are lacking in experience.

>>2606860
What are you even talking about, is that supposed to be some sort of point you're trying to make there or are you just mashing up random assumptions?
>Who defines what is art? Answer: the artist.
What manner of a buffoon told you that misconception?
Artists are mere drool monkeys in the face of nature, and I'm not even a creationist. Nature, in all it's fury and glory laughs at your shitty rebuke. If you can't portray it at it's fullest, you are meaningless shit, and you will suffer for it, and yet it is merciful enough as to not intrude upon you with some kind of supernatural control powers( like the ones you're keen into believing that is the reason behind an artist's drive/motif).

>you lack experience
Perhaps I do, perhaps I don't, you can't be certain enough to base another shitty assumption on so little information, the only people who do that are the ones with no instruction and/or understanding other than what little of they know about the fundamentals.

Also, let me go on a wild guess: you actually assume that there is some sort of epiphany at some point of an artist's life, some sort of revelation related to their own work that's seemingly supposed to transcend metaphysics and all understanding, hence you argument about experience? Well, I'm sorry to say this, but this, is just another gimmick
No wonder you plebs still revere the old masters beyond understanding for anything -OTHER- than their dedication and ability to successfuly compose, paint and draw absolutely anything.

>>2606865
I know someone like you and I really don't care about what art is or what makes an artist. Self destruction is something I know but I'm not an artist anyways, just sick.

Throw away your fucking Mac and never enter a starbucks again. simple as that

I love Hemingway. For whatever reason men more than women like him. Doesn't matter to me.

>>2606747
I agree OP, even with the depression, alcohol abuse and suicide

>>2606875
>implying Hemingway didn't spend years being a hipster in France with his arty expatriate friends smoking and drinking in cafés and acting all blasé about things
>implying "the lost generation" wasn't actually the first wave of useless post-modern trust-fund children we know now
> implying The Sun Also Rises isn't easily the great novel of our times when you change the scenery around a little bit

Just look at them.

>>2606926
The first part of The Sun Also Rises is basically my life.

>>2606747
Traveling the world, warring, womanizing and befriending artist might have still been something special back then. Now all you need is a couple plane tickets, a tour in Iraq, fucking some skanks and tweeting with a rapper and nobody will like you for it. It isn't all that special anymore.

What would be special is writing a novel than encorporates all our modern options and technology into it in a way that would seem typical of this generation.

Ever read Thoreau? Emerson?

Hard to imagine there was a time when people had the courage to not be ashamed of their "lonerism" and just be themselves, not giving a shit. It is a very sad thing to define yourself by some glamorized image of the "great writer."

>>2606934
So Tao Lin?

And anyway, writing a story about our current dependence on technology would suck. I wouldn't read it. It doesn't have that same ugh "romantic" quality that a 1920s Parisian cafe does.

>>2606926
The difference being they could blame their uselessness on the war.

Tust-fund hipsters...blame...social networking?

>>2606932
Mine too. Feels good.

Also, people don't tend to notice that the masculine part of his work and life is mostly a bit forced. He felt the old values slipping away just as we did. He merely tried to hang on to some idea of masculinity to the point of it becoming almost caricatural. Poor Hemingway. He was mostly a useless bum without direction like the rest of us. His fear of this made him throw himself into adventurous situations whenever he got the chance. Hence the war hopping, big game shooting and fishing et cetera.

>>2606940

Nope, he just had a tiny dick.

>>2606938
>inb4 go to bed Tao
Well, sometimes a great novel can make stuff romantic that wasn't before. I can very often feel the weird sort of futuristic charm that modern life has with all the laptops and smartphones and such. I just haven't figured out how to phrase it right though.

I haven't read any Tao Lin I'm afraid. Is it truly worth ones time?

>>2606946

Tao Lin's writing style is pretty unbearable
I couldn't get more than 5 pages into that one with the seashell face on the cover (david yates?)

>>2606946
Tao Lin's writing is even simpler than Hemingway's. Extremely short sentences, strange topics.

I like his stuff though, I find it quite humorous. There is something wonderful about the subtlety. That being said, it can be quite painful at times.

Try www.bearparade.com if you're interested.

>>2606926
I think a lot of Hemingway's readers were the hipsters of their time. They read The Sun Also Rises to learn how to act hip.

>>2606955
>Try www.bearparade.com if you're interested.

>this emotion was a little e-book
>by Tao Lin


>friday night alone in the library reading nietzsche
>i’m going to touch you very hard
>i'm tired
>i have high self-esteem and it’s making me stare
>i’ll write another poem instead of looking for a job
>terrible asshole
>i am fucked if i really think all human beings are terrible assholes
>a young hamster
>a poem written by a bear


My life.
>mfw
oh shit

>>2606963
I think so too. Just as the 50's/60's hipsters did with Kerouac.

Any other hipster guidesof their age you can think of?

Be sure to check out the excerpts from Zachary German's Eat When You Feel Sad on that site too. Go out and read the whole book, even.

>>2606968
Agree with you about 50's and 60's.
There must have been similar during all times but I can't think of any.
This would be a great research topic. I'd love to know.

>>2606926
>>2606963
>>2606968
>>2606987

plebs.

>>2606987
Perhaps The Sorrows of Young Werther for the late 18th century Romantic hipsters.

Perhaps Bret Easton Ellis for the 80's which makes me sad.

>>2606989
Hipster detected.

>>2606993

Only one would call one one. That word reeks of plebeian. Move along.

>>2606992
Those sound very possible.
Did people emulate George Gordon Lord Byron?

>>2606975
"He thinks about applying for a credit card and using it for all of his purchases and then paying off his entire balance every month so that a few years down the line he can have a really huge credit limit and max it out opening some sort of organic vegan business. He thinks about killing himself."

bob dylan or jim croce or paul simon or gordon lightfoot or james taylor or john denver.

Why does /lit/ propagate the irrelevant.

You know in your hearts I speak the truth.

This too shall pass.

I like how we've purposely avoided talking about someone's work so that we can talk about their identity....on an anonymous imageboard

>>2607026
I didn't mean that at all. But it's nice that some sanity can be retrieved from my thoughts.

When is writing style important?

When is it not?

When is writing relevant?

When is it not?

>>2606932
The end of The Sun Also Rises is my life. Except Brett friendzones me.

>>2606749
he unofficially participated in several actions in WWII
including but not limited to, liberating his favourite bar in Paris

>>2607041
So you enjoy it because it relates to you?

It relates to you?

Relates to you?

>>2606747
>the typical loner typing away at his Mac in Starbucks that seems so prevalent these days
he wrote first drafts in sidewalk cafes and bars
whats the difference?

>>2607042
Celebrity Justice of it's time, how declasse.

>>2607044
Yes, relates, relates relates to me. I'm like Jake.

>>2607055
I don't know Jake either. I'm alone here. You know me.

>>2607058
Are you sure you don't know Jake? Maybe we have friends in common?

>>2607064
Wiebe? No, i don't know him.

>>2607067
You puzzle me.

>>2607072
I am the strangest one you ever knew in the biblical sense or I'm no one at all.

>>2607077
I wasn't always like Jake. The strangest eh? I'd have to say they were all strange. I mean, only makes sense right? Though, you could be the other.

>>2607087
I'm the odd man out. The one that doesn't deserve your respect. I'm the one that can't control his mind.

>>2607092
Are you a theater major?

I absent mindedly
readjusted my Ray-Bans
The train rattled along
as I typed on my iPhone

I was going to meet a friend
for lunch
but for the moment I was
writing poetry
alone.

>>2607096
I'm a manic depressive with no redeemable talent. I lost my redeemable talent when I lost my mind, along with everything else.

>>2607103
>Sickness will surely take the mind where minds can't usually go.
A favorite quote from teenage years.
>And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
>And if there is no room upon the hill
>And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
>I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
Another.

>>2607114
I can't even live my life by the drop at this point. My system can't take caffeine or nicotine or alcohol or any drug at all.

>>2607119
Is that a Stevie Ray Vaughan reference?

>>2607122
I didn't teach you that.

>>2607123
Google taught me that.

>>2607127
well then, yes it is. And you should take a listen to Texas Flood. Stevie is too often forgotten.

>>2607129
Just read the lyrics. Have to say... eh.
I go more for maudlin pop songs from the 60's and 70's myself.