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    96 KB Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:20 No.2111799  
    This is what pseudo-intellectuals look like.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:22 No.2111801
    so what
    >> ϟ EDELKIND ϟ !Ry9.HRD23k 10/01/11(Sat)17:22 No.2111802
    I AGREE. PATHETIC.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:24 No.2111805
    the occupy wall street ppl aren't as focused as would be ideal and no doubt they're run through with a thick strain of dumbfuck 19-year-old boys of all ages and genders whose only real goal is Fuck You Dad, but i'm happy that they're doing what they're doing
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:24 No.2111807
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    >>2111799
    This is what a pseudo-intellectual looks like.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:31 No.2111815
    FAGGOT STRIVER POORS DESERVE TO BE JEW WAGE SLAVES.

    EVERYONE TOLD YOU YOUR DEGREE WAS WORTHLESS, NOW DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:34 No.2111820
    Yeah, only pseudo-intellectuals do something about the country that's failing them.

    Good call, OP. It's best to sit at home and make sniping comments on 4chan. That's what a true intellectual does.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:37 No.2111824
    THIS PSEUDO-THREAD IS FULL OF PSEUDO-FAGGOTS
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:44 No.2111836
    Only a pseudo-intellectual would do something frivolous like bring a giant part hat to a protest.
    >> ϟ EDELKIND ϟ !Ry9.HRD23k 10/01/11(Sat)17:48 No.2111845
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    >>2111820

    BUT THEY WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING BY RAIDING THE STREETS, IDIOT.

    THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE AN OBJECTIVE OR AN IDEOLOGY, THEY ARE JUST LIBERAL COLLECTIVISTS WITH UNFOCUSED WILLFORCE.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:49 No.2111851
    I like'd to think that we are at the twilight of an empire. This could be just a recession or it can be the end of a world order. I like to think of the latter, just because I like thinking that I'm living in a pivotal moment of history. It could be just be me romanticising it.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:50 No.2111853
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    >>2111805
    >they're run through
    >19-year-old boys of all ages and genders
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:50 No.2111854
    >I like thinking that I'm living in a pivotal moment of history.
    This is every person ever in the modern era.
    >> Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ 10/01/11(Sat)17:52 No.2111858
    >>2111851
    >twilight of an empire
    Not hardly. Virtually everything to do with the 2009 credit crunch/recession and moving forward has been exaggerated into oblivion. Every edgy young thing wants to believe they're on the cusp of a revolution.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:53 No.2111860
    The video of the girls getting maced was fucking funny. I liked the fall-to-the-knees and the outstretched, reaching arms.

    AW GAWD, I AM A WOMAAAN AND A CITIZEEEEN
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:54 No.2111861
    Walked by their camp this morning. They seem an alright lot so far as unwashed radicals go. Quiet, unassuming, no bombs or rifles. They weren't arguing with the police, and they didn't spit on me even though I was in a suit. The most dangerous revolutionary movement in the USA is a bunch of unemployed hipsters who go camping in NYC. Compare that with Europe or the middle east. God bless America.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:55 No.2111863
    Stating the obvious. The real intellectuals should be behind the scenes, in the shadows, spreading their knowledge and thought to the masses in hope that it will be infectious. A real intellectual causes the riot but is never there.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:57 No.2111866
    >>2111860

    I wonder how many of these girls will claim it was "misogyny" and an abuse of women's rights

    Probably al of them, dumb fucks
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:58 No.2111867
    Of course they're pseudo intellectuals. Everyone knows poor people can't be smart.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:58 No.2111869
    >>2111820
    True intellectuals actually ask the hard questions and give solutions not just bitch about the problems. Those people are only bitching about the problem.
    >> Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ 10/01/11(Sat)17:58 No.2111870
    >>2111863
    Too bad that there are no real intellectuals anymore.

    In b4 charlatans/polemicists like Zizek, Chomsky and Hitchens.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:59 No.2111871
    >>2111867

    They're not poor people, they're trust fund self-styled "bohemians" with rich parents.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)17:59 No.2111876
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    >>2111807

    This is what a pseudo-intellectuals look like.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:00 No.2111877
    >>2111861

    >They seem an alright lot so far as unwashed radicals go. Quiet, unassuming, no bombs or rifles. They weren't arguing with the police

    How is that a good thing? It's a fucking sad state of affairs, that. It's supposed to be a fucking protest.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:01 No.2111882
    >>2111876
    Nobody can read it, dumbfuck.
    >> Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ 10/01/11(Sat)18:02 No.2111884
    >>2111877
    Because violent protests in developed nations are so successful, amirite?
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:02 No.2111886
    >>2111882

    You should only think you need to be able to read it if, in fact, you are the fuck that is to be dumb.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:02 No.2111887
    >>2111851

    It's just a recession. Few of the mass movements want an alternative to the system, they just want the existing system to work. They are literally gagging for their couple of ten thousand pounds/dollars a year and mostly condemn all violence. Not exactly the mindset of world shaking revolutionaries.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:05 No.2111897
    >>2111884

    There hasn't been any real violent protests in developed countries. As I said, it's a sad state of affairs.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:06 No.2111900
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjF2D6XqKPw

    Very related.

    inb4 a bunch of irrational cunts who don't know what the shit they're talking about.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:07 No.2111902
    >>2111876
    >a pseudo-intellectuals
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:08 No.2111906
    >>2111897
    A violent protest would be bad all around. The only sane response to violence is more violence (and the only sane response to that is more violence, and so on and so on).
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:09 No.2111909
    >>2111906
    And then that's when compromises arise. Are you silly in the head?
    >> Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ 10/01/11(Sat)18:10 No.2111911
    >>2111897
    >As I said, it's a sad state of affairs.
    I guess you missed the London riots?
    Besides, I'm tired of privileged little shits constantly prattling on about how they want violent protests (self-styled "anarchists" and "punks" mostly). All they want is an opportunity to steal and break things that aren't theirs. London was proof of that.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:11 No.2111914
    >>2111909
    nobody will compromise with a bunch of drunk hoodie dirtbags if they decide to start breaking things.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:14 No.2111921
    >>2111911

    The point is a non-violent protest is the equivalent of nothing. It's like admitting that you're only doing it to feel better about yourself, not because you really DEMAND change.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:14 No.2111922
    >>2111860

    this is just seriously the worst fucking post
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:15 No.2111923
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    I deserve a job where I do nothing but check my facebook and play angry birds on my Ipad! I have a degree in black feminist poetry, and KKKorporate America is discriminating against me cause they know i'll fight against The Man if they hire me!
    \
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:15 No.2111925
    >bitch on the far left

    >FAR LEFT

    ahahahhaahhaa
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:16 No.2111928
    >>2111909
    Compromise or murder if neither side is willing to back done.In Russia for instance the student protests in the mid 19th century were met w/Draconian crackdowns. This caused the radicals to adopt terrorist tactics (assassinating Alexander II among others) which in turn caused Alexander III to the unleash the white terror. Then when the monarchy faltered in WWI the communists seized power and killed everybody. Violence may sometimes lead to compromise but it isn't a given.
    >> Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ 10/01/11(Sat)18:16 No.2111930
    >>2111921
    Because Ralph Nader and MLK both got shit done by wrecking the place.
    No, just shut up, put down the Adbusters and Bakunin, and stop posting on the internet.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:17 No.2111933
    >>2111900
    Watched five seconds before I want to punch the Angry Atheist in his fat neckbeard. He's a 14 year misunderstood teen in a pudgy 30 something year old body.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:19 No.2111938
    >>2111921

    You can use strikes, I guess. If you're employed. =p

    I can understand looking for a means of protest that the system can't just shake off, but the only time I can think of violence actually resulting in big change recently in a western country is in Northern Ireland, which was 1. very organized violence, 2. took decades, 3. had substantial support.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:20 No.2111940
    >>2111933

    Haha I beat you to it

    >inb4 a bunch of irrational cunts who don't know what the shit they're talking about.

    Pro-tip: That's you.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:22 No.2111944
    >>2111930

    We have iPhones and Facebook now, no one is going to give a shit about some new Nader or MLK.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:23 No.2111945
    >>2111921
    the point of nonviolent protests is to provide a relief valve for public tensions. Everybody gets along better if they can go out every once in a while and scream about something. Its like working your frustrations out in a video game.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:25 No.2111950
    >>2111945

    In other words do nothing.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:26 No.2111954
    >>2111940
    Listen, he is the very image of impotent neckbeard self-indulgent rage.

    What does he do, anyway? By his rabid leftism I'd guess his money comes from the state in some fashion or another. Or he could just be a computer janitor. Either way, he needs to stop being so angry or he'll give himself hypertension, LOL
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:28 No.2111956
    >>2111950
    But it does do something, it prevents armed rebellion.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:32 No.2111962
    >>2111954

    He earns his living with his Youtube account.

    If you're not going to watch the video please stop talking already, you clearly have no actual criticism to say apart from "neckbeard".
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:33 No.2111963
    >>2111956

    So it works AGAINST change.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:37 No.2111973
    >>2111963
    Duh. Why do you think revolutions are always happening in states that don't grant their citizens the right to peaceably assemble? God bless America, we may not be perfect but we've had our moments of brilliance.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:39 No.2111975
    so wait, a professional gaytheist is harping on others for their usefulness to society?
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:39 No.2111976
    >>2111799
    OP = Lloyd Blankfein
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:47 No.2111987
    >>2111858

    Well my personal preference wouldn't be revolution. Just a slow solemn fade from its super power status. Almost like when Odovacer becomes king.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:47 No.2111988
    So these college kids expect all their debts to be gone, without any work, because the people who do work earn money? Sure is communism in here
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:56 No.2112000
    >>2111988
    It's hard to pay your debts when there aren't any jobs.

    I'm employed, but I know it's tough for many, right now.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:58 No.2112003
    >>2112000

    There's money to be made out there, you just aren't looking hard enough.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)18:58 No.2112004
    >>2111982
    MAKING MONEY IS A BAD THING?
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:00 No.2112007
    >>2112000
    Being unemployed is so awful. I have a nice job that pays enough for me to get by now (although no way in hell is there any reason it couldn't be done by high school graduates), but I spent my first few years after college graduation in limbo, living with my parents, temping, and slowly going nuts. l-o-l at the idea of me being financially stable enough to own property or have a kid any time before my late 30s.
    >> FrogSoup 10/01/11(Sat)19:01 No.2112008
    >>2112004
    >MAKING MONEY IS A BAD THING?
    >MAKING
    durp they do not generate wealth, they redirect it.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:02 No.2112009
    >>2112003

    I don't think Americans realize this is a real problem for them. Not just for the students. These people are suppose to become the future of America's work force. Because there's no way in hell that America's manufacturing sector is going to survive in the future. America needs university educated students lest their economy collapse completely. America needs to start creating jobs for these people. And as much you don't like whiny student types, they are all America has left. Can't turn back time and become a manufacturing powerhouse again.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:02 No.2112010
    >>2112007
    Right. Just this. These people aren't protesting for free rides. They're protesting for jobs. They want to work.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:08 No.2112012
    Always a FUCKING political or religious discussion on this FUCKING board.
    Do we ever actually talk about books?!
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:09 No.2112013
    The Bourgeoisie can never fall, The people can never rise, Communism is a joke, Funnier in its failings almost as much as capitalism. I didn't even read any of the other comments, let alone the OP. Why am I even still typing? Oh yeah I wanted to see if my Internet has fucked up again.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:10 No.2112014
    >>2112012

    The Bible
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:11 No.2112017
    >>2112004

    >people who have a huge influence on the economy don't give a shit about fixing the economy for the better but about the profits they can garner for themselves
    >herp derp capitalism it's all in the game
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:15 No.2112021
    I'm sick of all these fucking threads about "pseudo intellectuals." If you post on lit, you're not an intellectual. An intellectual would be reading or writing or doing something productive. Intellectuals do not spend hours talking about the Game of Thrones. Intellectuals do not feel the need to insert the words "Ulysseys" "PoMO" or "David Foster Wallace" into every sentence they write. Intellectuals don't shop at Urban Behavior. They sure as fuck don't like anime. I'm not an intellectual. I'm just a smart guy who likes books. Most of you e/lit/ists are too. But that does not make you into some Camus/Sartre/Kafka/Dostoyevsky powerhouse. You need to get the sticks out your asses and stop trying to be an intellectual. Don't say pseudo intellectual ever again.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:17 No.2112024
    >>2112021
    THANK GOD I JUST READ FOR PLEASURE.

    IN REGARDS TO WALL STREET I MEANT PEOPLE WHO MAKE INVESTMENTS AND GAIN SOME KIND OF RETURN AS A RESULT OF IT.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:20 No.2112026
    >>2112017

    Yeah, that's right. So do something about it instead of whining on the internet. The strong rule the weak, and this is just, for the rule of weaklings in unjust. Be strong finally.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:21 No.2112030
    >>2112021

    Fuck your rules, faggot. I'll be an intellectual or pseudo-intellectual, or whatever I want.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:26 No.2112036
    Violent protests are generally a bad idea in degenerate countries.
    You see what the paramilitary Cops do to peaceful protesters in America, what do you think happens when there's actual violence?
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:26 No.2112037
    >>2112026
    ALTHOUGH GREATER GOVERNMENT CONTROL WOULD BE BETTER IN THE US.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:27 No.2112039
    They have the right idea.
    Wall Street is somewhat symbolic as well.
    Probably a better choice than the actual places the Banks and Traders have moved to nowadays.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:28 No.2112040
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    >>2112036
    THIS IS WHAT I WILL IMAGINE WILL HAPPEN
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:30 No.2112041
    >>2112004

    yes
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:32 No.2112044
    >implying there aren't serious problems with corporate personhood/lobbyists in this country
    >implying every politician doesn't owe favors to their anonymous campaign donors
    >implying the same bankers that took stupid risks that they knew would eventually fail (credit default swaps, quants, etc.) and crashed the economy are in jail and not collecting larger bonuses than before the crash
    >implying the current speaker of the house didn't hand out $2,000 checks from the tobacco lobby to every member of congress before they voted on a tobacco related measure
    HERP DERP NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY FUCK THOSE SOCIALIST HIPPIES GAWD BLESS AMURIKA
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:34 No.2112047
    >>2112044
    BEING AUSTRALIAN RULES, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RETARDED THINGS LIKE AUTOMATED HOME LOANS.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)19:54 No.2112054
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    >THIS is what pseudo-intellectual looks like.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)20:02 No.2112061
    >>2112021

    >don't watch anime.

    I don't think so Jim. Rushdie just came out and said that television is the best way to tell a story (lolwat) and that's only one step away.

    Besides, Pynchon probably reads loli and shit - I wouldn't be surprised. Kazuo Ishiguro says he's inspired more by Japanese 'film' than he is by Japanese literature. Japanese film is a euphenism for anime, or at least some anime,
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)20:23 No.2112084
    >>2112044

    it's too late. everyone thinks those issues are just "business as usual" now. it's not going to change; people in general are too greedy and short-sighted. you can't even get the average American to admit that those problems exist.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)23:32 No.2112486
    >>2112009

    >And as much you don't like whiny student types, they are all America has left.

    You say this when only roughly 30 percent of America's adult population holds any kind of college degree.
    Besides, someone who holds a degree in African Studies or Classical Civilizations isn't very likely to be of use to the workforce.
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)23:40 No.2112503
    >>2112012
    >>2112012

    You realize of course, that religion typically IS /lit/-related, right?

    Bible, Koran, Torah/Talmud, Mahabarata, Gathas/Avestas, Book of Mormon, Dianetics - all religious, all /lit/erature
    >> Anonymous 10/01/11(Sat)23:41 No.2112505
    >>2112084

    Trickle down, lol.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:00 No.2112546
    >>2112532
    Yeah, see, I'm still going to be angry, whether they lie about their utterly reprehensible books or whether they admit them.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:00 No.2112548
    Nah, that's just a minor epidemic of economic illiteracy.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:03 No.2112550
    >>2111854

    I like this, keeping it.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:06 No.2112558
    >>2112546
    >>2112532
    It came out that this guy was a fake. He's not a real investor and he's in hugely in debt. Apparently his wife is the real breadwinner in his household, he doesn't hold a trader's license, and has yet to make any real money. The guy was on tv just for attention and because we all wanted to hear someone say what he said.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:39 No.2112605
    They're not necessarily pseudo-intellectuals. But acting like camping out on Wall Street can in anyway be compared to the Arab Spring is unbelievably arrogant and insulting to the Arabs who actually risked their lives to bring down actual dictatorships.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:41 No.2112608
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    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:42 No.2112610
    >>2112608

    KND?
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:52 No.2112631
    Constant agitation WILL make changes. I'm glad they're doing it. Our forefather's encouraged this kind of behavior. "that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [rights], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, layin gits foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness." Declaration of Independence


    In other words, if you're unhappy with the government, challenge it. But no, over the years we've made the government our gods. Some people realize the government isn't God. Constant agitation will result in change. Keep the fight alive!
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:56 No.2112638
    >>2112608
    well no shit they're saying the same god damn things.

    The tea partiers outright stole "we are anonymous, we are legion, we do not forgive, we do not forget."
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)00:58 No.2112642
    I don't understand what the working class obsession with jobs is all about. You should be declaring the necessity of a complete restructuring of society. You shouldn't be clinging to the right to work, but the right to be lazy.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:01 No.2112647
    >>2112642
    It's American culture. Being jobless is embarrassing. We strive to work to the bone for slave-like wages.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:05 No.2112655
    >>2112647
    We need to resurrect Abbie Hoffman. Calling for more work is just short-sighted. Instead of getting rid of the system that perpetuates the need for useless work, they're calling for something that will, in the end, entrench it.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:12 No.2112666
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    The Occupy Wall Street movement summarized in one pic.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:16 No.2112675
    >>2112652
    Tell me, is it hard to breath with your head that far up you ass?
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:20 No.2112684
    >>2112608
    in a way yes
    The tea party is upset with corruption focusing on Washington and there is a lot to be upset about. This occupy wall street thing is upset about corruption focusing on banks and corporations, and again there is a lot to be upset about.
    It's two sides to the same coin, and I would say it's cross section of the American people.
    No one really knows what the fuck the problem is let alone how to solve it, but people are angry and scared and want to make a difference. They see the success of movements like the tea party 2 years ago and the Arab spring and want to emulate it but no one is sure how.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:23 No.2112690
    >>2112684
    that's not to say that the tea party wasn't corrupted and astroturfed, and the same could happen to this new movement, but it started out pure enough
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:28 No.2112696
    >>2112675
    i'd ask you that same question
    how about you actually do something about the current situation in our country instead of sitting on your ass and posting snide comments on an internet image board. Doing nothing does not make you cool or superior to these people, it just makes you lazy or ignorant.

    Im seriously sick of this political cynicism coupled with a sense of superiority that i keep seeing.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:28 No.2112698
    >>2112666
    Not quite. Sure they hate everything capitalism stands for and the evils it perpetrates, but very few are prepared to make the leap to outright saying capitalism might be a bad idea. I understand that amounts to treason in America.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:30 No.2112703
    Protests are a waste of time. Change is impossible.

    Enjoy the decline.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:32 No.2112710
    >>2112696
    I'm not saying it's useless or stupid to be involved in politics. What I'm saying is stupid is to think the Tea Party is entirely astro-turfed, or to think that Occupy Wall Street was entirely spontaneous or that its participants weren't liberal or involved in politics to start with.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:41 No.2112737
    >>2111845
    Isn't that what Anonymous originally was? Shit was tight back then.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:48 No.2112760
    >>2112737
    Anonymous was never anything more than a bunch of dipshits with unwarranted self-importance who thought they could make the world their bitch through DoS attacks and Facebook hacking. Remember Project Chanology? How long did that last?
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:55 No.2112772
    >>2112710
    Sure, OWS was organised. By a group called Adbusters, I believe. That's not the same thing as astroturfing at all.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:56 No.2112775
    >>2112760
    If it got a bunch of channers to consider protest and activism as an actual real thing people can do in the 21st century, then it was a positive thing. It got people who sit at their computer all day out marching for a cause. It's a start.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)01:59 No.2112780
    >>2112772

    >It's not astroturfing when WE do it!
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)02:02 No.2112788
    >>2112780
    There's no funding behind OWS. It's literally just a bunch of people who think alike getting together, started by an organisation that consists of a bunch of people that get together and protest stuff.

    The Koch brothers funding Tea Party groups to create the impression of popular support for their interests while not involving themselves directly - that's astroturfing.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)02:03 No.2112790
    >>2112780
    Fucking exactly. I hate the attitudes of people like this guy >>2112696 who seem to think that just because they're liberal they're better than the Tea Party even when they have the exact same tactics.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)02:22 No.2112841
    >>2111854
    Lol this.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)02:32 No.2112861
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    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)02:41 No.2112877
    >>2112054
    Why is he not?

    Not trolling. Everyone gets so buttsteamed over him.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)02:49 No.2112889
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)11:04 No.2113308
    >>2112486

    That's part of the problem. Not enough university educated Americans. Too many who want labour jobs but no company is gonna hire Americans to work in their factories when they can get twice as much done for half the price in China. It's time to start getting educated. And part of the reason tons of Americans don't finish college is because of how much it costs. And yes, there are degrees that are worth less than others when it comes to being an immediate asset to the American economy. But seriously... we're on /lit/. And maybe there's more engineers here than I thought but I'm assuming most of you guys are English majors of some sort...

    And I do think as America becomes more and more of a knowledge economy, even the more frivolous of degrees will become of some value.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)11:10 No.2113313
    >>2113308
    >even the more frivolous of degrees will become of some value.

    In theory. But, you're neglecting the overwhelming presence of anti-intellectualism in America. For many, knowledge that doesn't equate to megabucks is useless. Who cares what Nietzsche said when you can't bank on it?

    The reality is that all these "useless" degrees are held be creative sorts--people who decide what will be. Let everyone else have their day, now. Creative people have their day sometime in the distant future.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)11:25 No.2113336
    Truth is, these people aren't doing anything. The investment bankers and hedge fund managers are laughing at them right now while drinking $5000 bottles of champagne.

    We're reaching the corporate endgame. Just bitching about how greedy the top 5% of the population is just won't fucking cut it. Get your guns, knives, and Molotov cocktails. We're going on a car trip to hell...and they're riding shotgun.
    >> sage sage 10/02/11(Sun)11:28 No.2113340
    not /lit/
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:03 No.2113482
    >>2113313


    Canadian here. Im curious about this because intellectualism is still respected here.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:07 No.2113489
    >>2113313
    useless degrees aren't just useless. You didn't spend 4 years only jerking off and smoking dope. You spent it acquiring a ridicolous ideology that is antisocial, viscerally repulsive, and on every mark opposed to the West.

    Your shit degree is a signal; its a signal you're a miserable human being with soft hands, poor hygiene, and ridicolous opinions.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:22 No.2113519
    >>2113489
    Sure is generalizations pulled out the ass in here....
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:23 No.2113523
    NOT /LIT/
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:32 No.2113545
    >>2113313

    Right and they are going to crash and burn if they don't figure out their way out of this anti-intellectual mindset. I think it has a lot to do with Christianity because it is historically the most anti-intellectual of the three Abrahamic religions (I think the scale is tipping now because of radical Islam, but historically Islam was far more rational as a religion than Medieval Christianity) but it's part of the culture. And the culture has signed its own death warrant if it doesn't fix itself.

    If we look at the great societies of the past, their philosophers, their artists, their engineers and their architects, are the ones we admire. Not their theologians.

    >>2113489

    And here comes the anti-intellectual train. How do you know that Asian Studies is on every mark opposed to the West? Just because it is the study of another culture? Just because it is the study of a culture that hasn't directly contributed to America's foundations? Or maybe even historians are useless in your perfect world.

    And this idea of soft hands is ridiculous. You think you're hard? And you think that you're the salt of the earth? You should probably work 16 hour days, 7 days a week with only one day off in the whole year. Maybe then we'll talk about how salt of the earth you are.

    I have a feeling that a lot of Americans want to go back to that way of life. Manufacturing jobs for honest hardworking Americans. But it is an unrealistic dream. It would be the death of the American corporation that you love so much. They have to make money but if they just give all the jobs to Americans with their minimum wage laws, and their holidays, they can't survive in a modern globalized economy.

    And as much as American labourers think they are tough, strong, simple folk, wholesome and right, if you want America to succeed, the labourers can't. Unless they are willing to degrade themselves to the point of slavery for the glory of the state then sure.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:34 No.2113550
    Listen, if you don't have a job and you have a degree there are three options:

    -Join the military as an officer. Four months of OTS/OCS and you can have a job for at least four years - Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or Coast Guard if you actually feel like being part of something useful. But then again you probably don't want to "sell your soul" and think government is evil or some shit so maybe that's a no-go for you. OTHER OPTIONS:

    -Join the Peace Corps. Sure you'll have to adapt, but you'll learn a language and learn how to adapt to new places. Depending on where you are you may even learn some survival skills. I've known people that have worked for the Peace Corps in Mongolia and now know hunting and trapping skills that would rival Bear Gryllz. Not only that but cultural knowledge and getting by in a language can make you pretty fucking employable to international businesses, government agencies such as the state department, etc. - there's a reason Peace Corps was ranked one of the best places to start a career

    -AmeriCorps: Do you want to help people out? It's a job, you'll get a stipend, etc.

    Basically there is work to be found once you have a degree, and there are definitely options. A person who assumes there are no options is just a lazy bitch.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:38 No.2113555
    >>2113545

    There are some very conservative, straight-laced, patriotic types who hold degrees in Asian Studies - just ask some of the people who work for the CIA or the Department of State.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:41 No.2113563
    So glad some of the faggots in OP's pic finally got arrested.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)13:46 No.2113578
    Wall Street knowingly fucked over a lot of people in this country and caused a worldwide economic recession that would've been a worldwide economic collapse if the government didn't bail them out. Now the elite in the financial sector are going on business as usual while the average citizen suffers. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work, this is socialism for the rich.
    >> The Master !oKVZQzhloE 10/02/11(Sun)13:55 No.2113610
    >>2113545

    >I think it has a lot to do with Christianity because it is historically the most anti-intellectual of the three Abrahamic religions

    How does it feel to be a total ignoramus?
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:01 No.2113628
    >>2113610

    It's even funnier because he suggested Islam, the most ignorant and one of the most illiterate cultures in the world, is somehow more conducive to intellectualism than Christianity, a religion that has a proud intellectual tradition dating back 2000 years
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:01 No.2113630
    >>2113545
    You bought a shit sandwich buddy. Now you want us to play make-pretend that you have any sort of skills or true-knowledge. You'll probably end up going to graduate school for a second helping of that shit sandwich, and we'll be back to square one in 5 years.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:03 No.2113634
    >>2113610

    Christianity is based on the idea that God is a personal God but ultimately unknowable. Anything that contradicts theology laid down by the Creeds are blasphemy. There's no search for God in rationality in Christianity. There's all this argument about two natures in one substance, three in one, how can god be born of a sinful woman, immaculate conception. But none of these things are inherently illogical, a three in one God that is one God, but also three is not logical. But that's okay according to Christianity because at the end of the day "it doesn't matter how it is, only that it is, and you should believe it".
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:04 No.2113640
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    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:05 No.2113645
    >>2113630

    Actually I have a Bachelors in Information Technology. I work as a software engineer now. Not the most glamorous job but it pays well. All I'm saying is that I know law majors and English majors. They aren't stupid people. And they are a hell of a lot more useful than labourers who don't want to compete with Chinese and Indian labourers yet complain about all those people who got university educations.
    >> Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ 10/02/11(Sun)14:06 No.2113649
    >>2113640
    thanks for going full retard.
    there is no such thing as a "dark age" in European history, you are just repeating atheist propaganda and pop-culture nonsense because you don't know jack shit about history or the development of religion in Western Europe. 6/10 I mad.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:07 No.2113651
    >>2113628

    Actually, Islamic empires had a far better quality of life in the middle ages compared to Christian Europe. Jews for the most part lived freely in Islamic society and some could even hold office.

    Christianity until the renaissance was basically a wasteland in terms of scientific development.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:09 No.2113658
    >>2113628
    Islam was not always as it is now. In the middle ages it was the most refined of the three religions, and science and mathematics flourished within islamic society. In the modern era, however, its retrograded quite a bit... partially because of western influence (IE. putting extremists into positions of power because they're easier to control/dispose of when they become inconvenient.)

    Historically, Christianity has never been tolerant of science.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:11 No.2113664
    >>2113649
    not sure if stupid or just trolling
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:13 No.2113667
    >>2113645
    Ah a computer janitor. I got news for you buddy, you already are the proletariate.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:14 No.2113671
    >>2113640

    This graph ist totaly stupid... get your facts straight before posting some shit, or maybe you are just trolling...

    >>2113645

    Yeah I hate these people who are whining all the time how bad everything is and how they have shitty jobs, but don't want to work hard and all this. But then they are whining when some foreign people get their jobs, because those are actually 'working'.
    And the best thing is the people who are damn stupid, didn't do anything in school and didn't even get a high school degree and only watch stupid tv and all this shit. But when you tell them you are studying they are like "Damn students, have all the free time they want and don't have to do anything!" God I hate those people. They don't know shit how hard university can be... But well if I were stupid and had to work some shitty job, I might be hating on more intelligent people too.
    >> Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ 10/02/11(Sun)14:16 No.2113678
    >>2113651
    >>2113658
    >>2113664
    You are all completely wrong.
    During the Middle Ages in Europe there were many advances in art, science, literature, and thought, and almost none of them would have been possible without the aid of the Catholic Church. The Church was also the political glue that held Europe together and kept it from becoming a complete shitshow after the fall of Rome and the loss of centralized political authority. The idea of a "European Dark Age" is nothing more than a popular misconception picked up by dishonest atheists and used as a club to bludgeon religion in general.

    I know that this probably doesn't jive with what you saw on Monty Python or have gotten used to hearing anti-theists repeat ad nauseum, but to any European historian the idea of a "Dark Age" is laughable.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:18 No.2113683
    >>2113678

    oh cool a married oldfag sockpuppet account
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:18 No.2113684
    >>2113678
    The only point you have is that the use of the term "dark age" is wrong. Other than that you're chatting shit/
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:19 No.2113685
    >>2113678
    care to cite some examples?
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:22 No.2113694
    yes, oh god yes i will be the first to say maybe its not as common, but it does go on. my mother and i are a good example. i am in my early 20s and she is in her 40s. one night after a party we had both gone to, we got home and she seduced me into her bed. that was all i needed, i was so turned on by the idea that my own mother wanted me sexually. we tore off each others cloths like maniacs and embraced, she shoved her tongue so far down my throat i gagged. she had a hotter body then i did. i was so into this sex, i could not beleive who i was doing it with. she forced me down to her waist and held my face deep in there while i gave her oral sex. it was soooooo sexy, my mother really knows how to move in bed. after we did it a few times she held me tight and we fell asleep. that was the beginning of our mother/daughter incest relationship and it has only gotten better. She told me later on that she had always thought about me when she would masterbate, i laughed and told her now she had the real thing when ever she wanted.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:23 No.2113696
    >>2113667

    Right but I don't pretend that schooling is inherently a bad thing. Or that the study of anything that is NOT directly related to generating money for myself and the economy at large is useless. The study of art is important in my eyes. The study for foreign cultures informs of our own culture. The study of historian is of paramount importance to me. I don't think America is doing itself any favours by removing higher education from its society. And I don't thinking removing higher education from its society is going to fix anything.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:24 No.2113706
    >>2113678
    The Church was filled with rich punks directly related by blood to the nobility. If anything, the Church was the only thing that kept Europe under manorialism, which was essentially slavery.

    Everything that the Church did in the middle ages would have been condemned by the church today.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:27 No.2113715
    >>2113696
    Right, but these guys aren't looking for any job. They are looking for office jobs where they can sit, jabber to their buddies on facebook about how their boss is a fascist heternormative agent of the patriachy and play angry birds. Unfortuantely, they have no marketable skills.

    They want make-believe jobs.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:28 No.2113717
    >>2113678

    Nah nah nah. Rediscovering the works of Plato and Aristotle counts for nothing. If it weren't for Christians in the first place, you wouldn't need to rediscover the works of the Platonists. They would just have been part of scientific knowledge and they would've built upon it. Not just rediscovering it.

    The fact is that there is a sizeable community near me in Canada(!!!) who believe that the world is flat (still). I don't know anyone Muslim or Jew who believes that.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:31 No.2113727
    >>2113717
    In BC we have a town of Mormon fundamentalists where the entire population is descended from like 5 men and their millions of wives.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:33 No.2113732
    >>2113727
    They are part of Warren Jeff's group. Or at least use to be.

    The group is infamous for marrying off preteens to adults. Like Warren Jeff's underage wives.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:34 No.2113737
    >>2113732
    Yeah I think there's still an ongoing law suit because he basically took some 14 year old from the States and brainwashed the fuck out of her or osmething.
    >> Anonymous 10/02/11(Sun)14:35 No.2113741
    >>2113667
    If you are also >>2113630, then holy fuck are you ridiculous in calling out this guy in any way for being part of the proletariat. Practicality - the "get a degree that gives you skills" attitude that you espouse - is the cornerstone of middle class ideals, and so it makes no sense for you to call someone out on being part of the proletariat when you are part of it as well.



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