I don't recognize this woman. Is she a writer? I could drop my load on her pale face. Her smile suggests that she would enjoy it.

>>2067408
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofi_Oksanen

I have no idea who this is, but what the hell is she wearing on her head?

>>2067418
Fake locks?

>harry potter glasses
>ugly duck man face
>horrible multi-colored fake hair extensions
>bra visible
>"EDGY" combination of professional and adolescent styles

I am displeased.

>>2067408
If you pooped on her face it wouldn't make any difference

>>2067423
>harry potter glasses
Can be removed
>ugly duck man face
That only makes her more attractive
>horrible multi-colored fake hair extensions
Don't mind
>bra visible
And?
>"EDGY" combination of professional and adolescent styles
Whatever

I would like to remove my statement regarding placing my semen of this woman's(?) *face*.

>>2067428
Yes, we are two separate people and our tastes in women are not the same. OMFG breakthrough.

>She is a self-identified bisexual and has suffered from eating disorders.

>>2067431
>eating disorders
>still fat

And of course she's bisexual. She'd be stupid to limit her choices to only one gender. She has to take anything she can get.

>By the way, OP, that's a 'no.'

>>2067434
There is no such thing as gender

I'd have to actually see a sample of her writing to offer an actual opinion, but she writes about eating disorders and gross shit I don't care about so I probably won't bother (and I'd be judging her on translated works, as I don't know Finnish).

I don't like what I see though.

I've never heard of her, but her work sounds very interesting. Thanks for the heads up, OP.

>>2067437
Kill yourself.

I remember the time when women dressed like that were actual whores. I have more respect for those than women like OP's pic

>>2067456

You remember a time when women who wore slacks and dress shirts were whores?

>>2067437
Ohoho alright champ. I'm sure every biologist that ever lived can agree with you on that.

>>2067466
But they do

Go back to your feminist sociology 'academia'

>>2067466
Gender has nothing to do with biology.

>>2067405
Oh God that horrible face, and what's with the mall goth hair? The fact that she didn't grow out of that at 13 suggests she is extremely immature.

>>2067437
Tell that to my dick, faggot.

>>2067466
Biology is a tool of oppression used to butress dominant ideologies.

A tit is a tit.

>ask /lit/'s opinion of an author
>most criticise her appearance
>some say they want to fuck her some say she's ugly
>very little discussion of her merit as an author

My God, it's like being back on /r9k/

>>2067474
5/10 you had me going there for a second

>>2067476
>woman
>merit as an author

ITT: /lit/ confusing gender with sex, again.

Jesus, come on you guys. Take an introductory sociology course or something, jeez.

>>2067476

4chan is full of misogynists, and /lit/ is no exception. This kind of thing happens whenever women authors are brought up, but particularly contemporary feminist writers.

>>2067429
>woman's(?)

I had to laugh.

>>2067476

I don't think I'd ever read anything by someone who looks like this. Call my judgmental, but I don't think she's tearing up the literary world with her wowing command of language.

>>2067476
'You did nothing against the opinions until you have attacked the person' (Joseph de Maistre)

>>2067479
>introductory to sociology
>professors tell you gender is different from sex

Chemistry major here, that's fucking retarded. (I'm referring to both the notion that gender isn't a scientific term and ever wasting tuition on a course in sociology.)

>>2067481

What a person looks like has nothing to do with their writing.

>>2067487

>hard science major
>closed minded, arrogant asshole

Yup.

>>2067489
You're pretty wrong.

>>2067491

Okay then. Draw a correlation between a physical trait and a characteristic of writing. Be specific.

>>2067489
if someone looks like the spawn of Hot Topic they probably adhere to really shitty, manufactured "counter-culture" values.

>>2067479
>Sociology
I don't do pseudo-science.

>>2067494
She buys multicoloured hair from a fucking a shop.

There's no way in hell she's got too many poignant things to say.

>>2067490
I'm not being close-minded, the word gender has specific implications toward reproductive organs. I know you hyper-liberals like to complain about anything and everything, but you can't change the definition of a word to suit your own agenda. No scientist would ever tell you that gender isn't directly related if not synonymous to sex.

>>2067489
YES IT DOES. FUCK. I HATE YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK: YOU SHOULD NEVER JUDGE ANYONE BASED ON THEIR APPEARANCE.

AS IF THEY CAN'T HELP IT OR SOMETHING.

SHE DRESSES LIKE A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL WHOSE PARENTS DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO HER. THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HER PERSONALITY. HOW YOU CHOOSE TO PRESENT YOURSELF TO THE WORLD SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU YOU FUCKWIT. AND HOW A PERSON WRITES IS GREATLY INFLUENCED BY WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY THINK AND FEEL. FAGGOTS WRITE FAGGY SHIT. THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS.

>>2067499

Draw a correlation between a physical trait and a characteristic of writing. Be specific.

>>2067494
See >>2067482
Separating the individual from the opinion he or she wrote makes all criticism impossible.

>>2067500

Again, I don't care what closed-minded scientists think.

In the realm of sociology and literary criticism, y'know, where people actually think, gender and sex are two very distinct terms.

>>2067501
Mad cuz the only thing s/he can do with their degree is spout gibberish for a living.

>>2067489
You don't think someone's worldview would somewhat reflect in their outward appearance?

>>2067502
>x doesn't influence y if you can't point out a specific case of such an influence that occurs in ALL such purported influences

This is a general thing, and we're not talking about physical characteristics like how her face looks or how big her fucking feet are, we're talking about choices she consciously chooses to make being representative of her personality and values, which are the backbone of an author's writing.

Why are you retarded. You are so retarded that I think you must be a troll and I am done with this thread.

>>2067501

Get out of here capsguy. You're a misogynist no one cares what you think.

>>2067502
>impling anyone said that her physical raits made her a bad writer

It's not because she's ugly that I know she's a bad writer, it's because she dresses like someone whose AIM account is darkxxangelxxlostxxsoul that I know she's a bad writer.

>>2067509
I'm not capsguy, I'm just an angry guy writing in caps.

>>2067501

While it is not untrue, there are exceptions.

But the face, she can't do anything about (well, she could, but I wouldn't want to read from some conceited plastic surgery gal/guy)

>>2067507

Maybe. But I don't think you could discern them.

>>2067508

>This is a general thing

I agree. You're making broad, retarded generalization based on your own preconceptions. I'm glad we got that all settled.

>>2067505
>Science
>Being interested in unveiling nothing but what is factually true
>calls it 'close minded'

Planes don't stay in the air because of prayers or anti-plane discrimination laws.

>>2067506
Wait, I mean
>>2067505
>>2067490

>>2067507

I think he meant pshysical, as in her face/body etc.

I'd rather read from an ugly person than from a plastic surgery user any day.

I see those who have no publications to their name critiquing someone who has one multiple awards for theirs

>one

>>2067514

Alright. You guys go build planes then, and stop trying to act like you have valid opinions on stuff that concerns the mind.

>>2067509
>misogynist

If it was a guy in skinny jeans and an MCR shirt we'd say the same thing. If you choose to look like a faggot it speaks volumes as to who you are and therefore how you write.

>>2067495
You are criticizing her style (which I agree is as hideous and attention seeking as it gets), then, not looks per se.

>>2067497

>Everything that can be used to disprove my claims is pseudo-science

Also, to the biological determinists (the actual ones and the wannabes that find it so very edgy): please, do yourself a favour and acknowledge the fact that you are discussing an individual, not a large group. Generalizations are not the most logical choice in such circumstances. Also, realizing that someone is entitled to their own opinion does not hurt. Really.

Take it easy, folks, 'twould be a shame to die of a heart attack by thirty.

>>2067510

Tolstoy dressed like a homeless peasant. He certainly didn't write like one.

>>2067518
>science
>doesn't concern the mind

Sociology majors actually believe this

>>2067437
Philosophers and social scientists have created a difference between the words 'sex' and 'gender' in order to discuss the physiological (sex) and social realities (gender) of being a man or woman. However, the two words did originally mean the same thing, were interchangeable, and can still be used correctly in this sense. Example: 'gender-reassignment' and 'sex-change' mean the same thing.

>>2067519

This.

>>2067521

>While it is not untrue, there are exceptions

>>2067518
Stop acting like you have valid opinions on...anything. Eg, saying that E=MC2 is a gendered equation or looking for evidence of rape in Beethoven symphonies.

>>2067521
The best literature (including poetry) is made by starving people. They have nothing left to lose anyway and write for the hell of it, not for attention.

>>2067530

Are you having a converstion with that poster or with the one in your head?

>>2067529

Well that's a rather easy out, wouldn't you say? "I'm right except for those times I'm not right, but those are just exceptions to me being right"

>>2067520
>Also, realizing that someone is entitled to their own opinion does not hurt. Really.

I'm the Chemistry major from before. You can't have an opinion on a word with a specific definition. Regardless of what your politically driven Sociology major told you, a word (gender) conforms to its definition.

If you think women are mistreated or disrespected by society, fine. But don't go around saying that gender doesn't refer to reproductive organs. It does.

>>2067530
Behold, feminism at work:

>Luce Irigaray wrongly regards E=mc2 as a "sexed equation" because she argues that "it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are vitally necessary to us". They also take issue with the assertion that fluid mechanics is unfairly neglected because it deals with "feminine" fluids in contrast to "masculine" rigid mechanics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luce_Irigaray

>>2067532

Tolstoy was a rich aristocrat. He just dressed that way.

>>2067532

Yea, make a broad generalisation about why a certain segment of the population writes, why don't you?

OP must be kicking him/herself for referring to her writing specifically.

Then again, 'tis not like it would stop /lit/ from discussing the size, kind and shape of chips on their shoulders.

SHE BUYS MULTICOLOURED HAIR FROM A FUCKING SHOP.

Sweet Jesus Christ Almighty, people!

>>2067536

>2011
>still thinks definitions are prescriptivist

You're not helping the whole "closed-minded scientist" thing.

ITT: pseudointellectuals literally arguing about semantics

i mean really

>>2067544

prescriptive*

It's early.

>>2067537

No, that's a retard using feminism as an excuse to act retarded.

There is a juge that thinks that the show 24 is proof that torture works. Does that mean the justice system is stupid? No, just this guy.

>>2067537
The problem is that the only thing these people can do with their useless degrees and skills is go on to peddle more inane gibberish.

>>2067523
>philosophers
>social scientists

What authority do they have to change the definiton of a scientific term? If you tried to convince a scientist that the animal he or she was observing didn't "really" have a gender you'd be laughed at, and rightly so. For shit's sake, I don't understand why sociologists think they have any actual credibility, particularly enough to change thousands of years of accepted science and insist that we've been misuing a term that we brought into use in the first place.

>the meaning of gender

important shit guise

definitely worth raging over

Hey guys, what's going on here?

>>2067536
I am not the poster from before - in fact, this was my first post in this topic. Neither am I feminist, or a sociology major. Also, I was not discussing the definition of gender.

Calling other posters out on biological determinism does not automatically mean an attempt to change the said definition... though by the way, what would you say of the undifferentiated gender? Or the androgynous? The binary system does not even begin to cover those, though it might help describe them.

>>2067551

But some animals do have gender. Most don't, but there you go.

So, firstly, you expect a woman who writes about anxiety disorder, violence in lesbian relationships and sex slavery (from wiki, I've never read her) to dress like a woman who works in wal-mart. Secondly, you think this actully makes a difference to how she writes.

You are the most reactionary bunch of people I've ever encountered. I find it very hard to believe that you're not all eighty years old.

"Who does she think she is with her purple hair? In my day people had a bit of respect for themselves".

/lit/ is genuinely a disappointing board sometimes. I only console myself that you're not actually the future of intellectualism (who are probably doing something more worthwhile) - you're the chaff that falls into this collecting bin.

>>2067560
>you're not allowed to make glib and deliberately shallow assessments of people on 4chan

okay Mrs Krabappel

>>2067560
She buys her hair from a fucking shop, man.

She buys coloured hair from a fucking shop.

>>2067556

Don't think of gender as something you 'are'. Think of it as traits you have/perform. A lot of people are a mix of both genders.

>>2067560

But you're on /lit/ too...

Prove me that a woman like her can write something like this.

Spoiler: you can't, because her looks and sexuality makes it impossible

>>2067560
>butthert libral dyke detected

>>2067566

Thank goodness for that!

That shit is so bad it makes my eyes bleed!

For realz!!!

>>2067564
That was exactly what I meant. There are also people who do not express any (or very few) typical traits of any gender.

That being said, the woman buys purple hair from a shop. I find it quite comical.

>>2067560
>wal-mart

I don't know how much of an improvement that would be, but I guess wal-mart employees could sometimes look more presentable than a woman who dresses like a 13 year old mall goth kid and wears multicolored fake dreads.

>>2067560
>>you're the chaff that falls into this collecting bin
And welcome to you, too!

>>2067574

Maybe she dresses like that for interviews to be more eye-catching and to be less recoginzable irl?

>>2067577

Can you tell english isn't my first language lol

>>2067566
Funnily enough, 'twas Martin that came to my mind earlier, when I wanted to name examples of writers who should not be judged by their looks.

After looking at his picture, one would expect a cook book, or some other shitty manual of gentlemanly pastimes like fishing or hunting, straight from the damn merry old England.

By your trololologic, he would be 'unable' to write anything else because of his looks. And sexuality.

>>2067566
>>2067566

Good example, considering that the author is pic related and half of /lit/ will still gladly funnel his hog.

>>2067567

Guess again, fuckbag - male, non-lesbian and my butt is relatively unsinged, cheers anyway.

>>2067563

How do you know? And why do you have a problem with it? I buy almost all my clothes from a shop, a fucking shop man. It's the normal way.

Her hair, however, may be just growing out of her head. If it's not, however, then you're probably right, extensions are of the devil and this whore should be burnt.

Jesus, it's pretty 1958 in here.

>>2067581
Uh, no. Martin looks like a fat, fantasy-escapist neckbeard.

He looks exactly like the man who writes his unskilled prose.

>>2067581
But it is a known fact that old men with long white beards write fantasy

>>2067583
>Implying the Anon was raging at the novelty, and not just laughing at the effect.

>>2067576

I'm prepared to admit that I'm obviously not as stellar an intellect as I used to think, since I'm hanging around here rather than redefining the field of history or undermining the nature of the capitalist system with my rhetoric. How many of you other chancers are prepared to admit that if you're on 4chan (especially daily) then you are never going to amount to anything intellectually?

Or will you just go back to sneering at Tao Lin for doing things that you all daren't/are too untalented for?

>>2067590

Well, I'm suffering from brain damage (for real) and I find a lot of people on 4chan to be stupider than me...

I don't understand. Are people seriously trying to argue that a fat binge-eating mall goth with purple hair extensions that she wears with suitpants to display her adolescent appreciation for irony and whimsy can write good fiction?

>>2067590
Gods be good, this picture. Is it from a baww thread or something? Because, seriously, the level of pretentiousness is appropriate.

DICK-SUCKING LIPS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9e5JqHzATM

>>2067589
>>2067589

Actually, I think that

>She buys her hair from a fucking shop, man.

>She buys coloured hair from a fucking shop.

Proves that it's the concept that appals, and not the appearance.

she's also probably more attractive than the last woman most c/lit/s fucked, assuming they ever have fucked a woman

>>2067593

Actually, I've noticed that I've spent a lot more time on 4chan these last few months, since I had two really bad head traumas at the start of the year.

I don't know what that proves, but my doctor tells me that we all only get a limited number of blows to the head in a lifetime, and I'm close to my limit. I think I'm one step from punchy, but I've got two degrees so I still think I'm clever. I retain enough self-awareness though to realise that I'm not as clever as I used to be 10 years ago. It's kind of tragic really.

I may well be the spirit of /lit/

>>2067602
She is not more attractive than the last woman I fucked, and it's only one guy that keeps posting about the hair.

>>2067602

At first glance I thought it was someone cosplaying as that alien from Star Wars lol

>>2067608

Well, again, I'm going to be honest and say that she is more attractive than the last woman I fucked (my wife of too many years - sometimes I look at Anne Widdecombe and think 'yeah, I probably would, just for the novelty and to say I did it').

Then again, for a traumatised bum with no prospects, I guess I should take it where I can.

>>2067602
>>2067602

Then again, if /lit/ thought this... coiffure... is becoming, no one would probably react.

Also, I do not find anyone's sexual experience or lack thereof relevant to the topic. Really.

BTW, this is probably the most absurd and unimportant conversation I had in months. Funny, in a way.

Have a good day, /lit/, I'm going outside.

>>2067607
Sorry to hear, Anon. Really. If you do not mind me asking, how come you are so prone to such accidents?

>>2067615

>I'll go on 4chan to say I'm too good for it because that's the only thing that make me able to sleep at night in my empty bed with my empty life.

fixed

>>2067615

>absurd and unimportant conversation I had in months.

Actually, I think it's quite interesting to see the level of people's honesty and delusion. Does anyone really believe that /lit/ is full of the intellegentsia of the future? I see no evidence of intellectualism on this board.

>>2067621

Also, implying it's the same people that are on /lit/ all the time.

I'm new to this board in the sense that I'm not a regular, but I still post sometimes.

>>2067621
We just read books. That doesn't make us intellectual and I'm pretty sure most of the people on this board don't think it does. Retards just yell the loudest, is all.

>>2067619

An adventurous life.

And they're not all accidents - I used to box when I was younger, and I used to fight quite a lot as well. This year, one of the concussions was while I was scuba diving (knocked myself dizzy in a cave system), the other one was when I fell off my bike at high speed, followed by faceplant, brief unconsciousness and then almost complete amnesia and a week in bed. That was a nasty one - it was a good job I was drunk or I would probably have died.

Not all glamorous and exciting though - a couple of years ago my fucking wife knocked me spark out (she is trained in Krav Maga, so it's not entirely embarrassing, but she's only 150cm).

>>2067620

not this poster, but seriously, wtf? he never said he was too good, he just said this thread sucked. which it does.

>>2067625

>Also, implying it's the same people that are on /lit/ all the time.

Oh, but it is - not just the tripfags either. There are a number of Anons who are very recognisable by their way of writing.

a northern european woman writer?


Countdown until she gets the Nobel prize

10....

>>2067631

>not this poster,

Yes you are. I thought you were going outside?

>>2067632
This. The people who are helpful in the OC threads usually show up in most of them and are recognizable.

>>2067627

I see. No need to explain adventures and physical activity are not always glamorous - I know what you're talking about, in fact my pastimes are similar, plus a short fuse and getting in as many brawls as I possibly can, lol. Guess I am just lucky to keep my head more or less intact. Or so damn vain I keep a high guard all the time, heh. Have a great life, Anon!

>>2067635
as an added bonus, she pushes an "alternative" "lifestyle". Definately nobel prize material.

>>2067636
and i thought you can read.

>>2067635

>Northern European
>Nobel

You're adorable.

>>2067627

Wow.

I feel weird about how I got my brain damage now. I've been doing Muay Thai for the last 12 years and the worse I got is a broken nose.

I got my injury becuse of a faulty wall socket and electric shock.

Yeah, I should just say I got like this by winning a fight. ;)

>>2067643

Unfortunately, the ones you get concussed in are often the ones you lose...

I once got electrocuted when I was working on a building site in England. It knocked me about a metre backwards, and I felt weird for a couple of days - like I was hyped all the time, and I the world seemed brighter - a little like a concussion, actually. So I can see how this may contribute to the abuse of the ol' noggin. Unlucky dude.

>>2067641
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_in_Literature#Controversies_about_Nobel_Laureate_selections


You can be a shit author and win it if your swedish. A finn with an "alternative" "lifestyle" is on equal footing as a swede.

>>2067405


Ebook please? I'm actually Finnish and saw her slim paper back on sale for 9,99 €, but thought I'd use my money for better things in life. I assume her stuff is the same "ironic" and self-conscious bs than everything else these days...

As for her appearance; only retards and high schoolers care about such things IMO.

The Nobel has never been relevant or meaningful for literature.

>>2067648
She's Finnish

>>2067648
And let's not forget that Bertrand Russell won the award. Bertrand Russell won an award for literature. Lol.

>>2067652

Oh, you're so edgy and non-comformist. If I knew you IRL, I would totally let you put your pee-pee inside me.

>>2067650