Stoners are subhumans, thank you very much.

when the lower class dies off, I have job security. Fucka you

>>2031621
I'm on a full scholarship.

No money out my pockets.

And I'm going to be a world-renowned novelist, bitch punk nigga. so get ready.

>>2031629
Yes I am sure your fancy Ivy League B.S. degree (get it, they call it a B.S. degree because it is a bullshit degre) in Ancient Greek and Portugese Studies will give you job security.

Yeah right. You have no job skills, talking about books and pretending you are a philosopher is not a job skill.

>>2031621

School loans aren't welfare, they're a way to make you indentured servants to the banks, because you can't get rid of them with bankruptcy.

Go scholarship, go cash or go home.

havin' fun there op?

>>2031633

That is what every liberal arts major thinks.

I am inheriting an auction house from a friend, but that is only because neither of his daughters want the business. But the only reason that is happening is because I have eight years of work experience under my belt, because I actually work for a living, I do not need a bachelor degree in art or science to make me feel like one of you smug superior pseudo intellectual assholes.

>>2031645
u sound insecure about ur life choices

>>2031621
>implying I'm borrowing money to go to my liberal-arts college
>implying engineering schools aren't glorified trade schools

typical college student: "hurr i have a degree in peace and love studies from harvard, you should totally respect me because i'm a genius and know more than you even though i'm only twenty one"

colege is part of the effeminization of males in america. men who could grow up to be ballsy, loyal, brave, value honesty and hard work, are instead being taught that they should be lazy and weak, like women. the ivy league elitism is not just in the northeast, it has infected colleges in the south, and across the country. the spoiled attitudes of young men are causing a decay, and you wonder why the economy is in the shitter and people can't find jobs.

people can't not find jobs, it is just that young people think they don't have to work, college-educated youths demand only cushy office jobs because of how weakened and effeminate they are. its no wonder, with the elitism of colleges and public schools eliminating sports and p.e. from the curriculum

>>2031645
This is what every non-degree holding scumbag thinks.

>>2031645
Have fun working your life away and spending all the money you earn are useless possessions that will be meaningless when you're dead.

I will be enriching the time I have on this planet by physical exercise and intellectual pursuits.

And I will be smug. Gladly.

college forced me to think critically, network, meet deadlines, work in groups, generate my own ideas, and implement them. it surrounded me with intelligent peers and colleagues, and exposed me to a broad range of influences and experiences that increased my psychological flexibility, gave me a rigorous mind for details and analysis, and gifted me with invaluable cultural background for my work in public relations and publishing. I squeezed that shit for all it was worth, and now i have an invaluable network of contacts and a sharpened perspective. what you get out of college depends precisely on what you put into it.

>>2031657
>this is what men actually believe

Males had better become more "effeminate" if they want to stay relevant. Face it: in America's service-based economy there's a quickly decreasing demand for physical strength. Critical thinking and social networking, women's strong suits, are the way of the future. If you're a man, good luck finding a high-paying job in thirty years. Maybe Victoria's Secret will be hiring.

>>2031675

>Critical thinking

>Women's strong suit

You should go into stand-up.

>>2031657
No, the increasing mechanization of labor is the reason for the effeminization ( is that a word? ) of men . . and what does that even mean? Intellectual work used to be a noble pursuit, as it, you know, contributes to the progress of the species . . I think your statement, more than anything, illustrates why America will soon be second to China in every area that counts . . we've taken to denigrating the intellectuals, the the intelligent, and supporting those who support the 'common man' by being fucking retarded.

>>2031679

you're on /lit/, not /b/, shithead.

>>2031672

real world experience is more enriching than stuck in the classroom.

>>2031683

that depends entirely on the experience, the classroom, and the person involved.

>>2031675

That is troublesome to me. Once society has become eradicated, if men are not physically fit, then they are at risk of extinction, and harm from both each other and predators. I live in an urban area that has a ghetto, a "bad part of town," and critical thinking skills are necessary inasmuch as you need to protect yourself from criminals.
The very fact is, if men who don't have these traits, the social "Beta males," reproduce, they are weakening the human gene pool and putting the entire species at risk. Sadly, beta males are also the new trend, as the Hollywood fetishization of scrawny, pale and physically weak men emphathizes.

>>2031683
I'm out of school, bro. It is indeed possible to read outside of a classroom.

ITT: fags getting trolled.

>>2031688

LOL, i dont think woman will like beta men just because hollywood fetishizes it, even feminists dont want geeks and nerds

>>2031621

2.5/10
Tried too hard... so many keywords of a typical troll thread, not even sageworthy

>>2031690

we are talking about college, not hobby reading

itt: a bunch of assholes on the internet who know nothing about what they're talking about, and base opinion off media bias and stereotypes

there are smart people in good liberal arts colleges who know how to use the education they are paying for. There are also dumb people in good liberal arts colleges who have no idea what the fuck they're doing. Is this a bad thing? From an idealistic standpoint, probably, but the fact of the matter is that these people have the means to afford a highly comprehensive education, and are doing so based on societal expectations that have been imposed upon them. There's nothing wrong with that process as long as it maintains some sort of profit making status quo in the american economic machine, which it has been doing successfully.

I go to U Chicago, which is notorious for forcing students to adhere to a materialistically "impractical" but highly comprehensive liberal arts curriculum. Problem? Yes, for some people. But for others (and I hope I'm among em), it means a means to understand make use of some very exciting economic, anthropological, and cultural machines that have long been developed and maintained by college grads for the benefit of society.

>>2031682

Try to look at women from an outside perspective, beside what you've read in your Woman Studies text books. They are very irrational, because American culture encourages them to be silly, irrational and weak. Part of this may be biological, that's open to interpretation.

Women are not encouraged to be laborers, warriors, lawyers, doctors, diplomats or politicians. Women are taught that they should not pursue status for themselves but instead leech off of men with status or strength, or set themselves up as status symbols for those men.
When women actually are encouraged to be intellectuals they are encouraged to be flakey and pursue bizarre, retarded and frankly illogical ideas.

Many women absorb these attitudes thinking that they are being independent when they are in fact putting themselves in the narrow pigeonholes a male dominated society has set up for them. A pigeonhole in which their intellectual capacity is seen as limited, and women follow suit with this.

/lit/,

Why do you keep replying to this thread as if it were neither off-topic nor a troll,

Instead of saging it.

Also reporting it.

>>2031703

Yeah, and what's your major? I'd guess something bullshit like Asian Studies or Museum Science

I manage cashiers with liberal arts and english majors. I only have a high school education.

>>2031703

>as long as it maintains some sort of profit making status quo in the american economic machine, which it has been doing successfully.

i dont think so, the total college debt in America is almost $1 trillion

>>2031707
/lit/ is the cancer

Not from America, but I am at a university, which is somewhat similar to college.
Sure you can be a lazy ass and be arrogant to be at a univeristy. I am by no means saying I am more intelligent than other people or better then them, but let me tell you one thing. The guys you described with "Oh hey, I have 'degree x' " are actually the ones (at least in Germany) come to every course in a fucking suite, only tacke the easiest classes and still take far more then the normal time it would take to finish university (at least most of them). Why are you even intimidated by these people. Most of them just suck.

Ok, so I am studying information technology. There are a lot of easy courses, lest say for example building compilers, CAD and stuff like that. Most people won't ever have anything to do with this shit, but just take it, cause it is easy. So a lot of people end up with passed exams in a variety of different courses that are mostly useless for your actual work nowdays. I on the other hand, picked the courses that actually interest me and that are somewhat important for the field I want to work in (or at least the field I have good chances of finding a good job). Still not sure if it really is worth it, but whatever.

Other than that. If you ever go to college or a universty. You are forced to actually develope your own learning technics. You just can't simply try to remember everything when the actual script for the lecture is more than 1000 pages and you have 2 of these courses in an exam. I also had an exam about 6 different courses and had to remeber all that shit and only had about 2 month to get ready for it. Without the learning technics I developed in the terms before I wouldn't have been able to pass this thing with the mark I have got or pass it at all.

>>2031722 cont.

On the other hand, you meet a lot of different people. I especially are talking to a lot of foreign people, just to get to know them and their culture. It is something I wouldn't have been able to do, when I would have goten a job after 'high school' (called different in Germany, but whatever, its pretty much the same I think).

So yeah you can learn a lot of skills there. And I for myself learned more about people, methodolgies and technics than about my actual field of studies. On the other hand it is not just attending courses and you are done. I spend most of my time with self studying stuff. Learning programming languages and other practical shit. Sure we learn the theoretical things, but we don't learn much about how to actually use them. That is something we have to do for ourselfs and there are even people who can't program at all, when they have their diploma.

So yeah, shit can be easy if you want to, but if you wanna be good, it takes a lot of work.

>>2031710
quantitative economics


nice try

Lol, mad uneducated fags everywhere.

>>2031725

>I especially are talking to a lot of foreign people

Grammar correction. This should be "I am talking to a lot of foreign people" or "I have been talking to a lot of foreign people." The word "especially" is unnecessary, since what you are saying is understandable without extra emphasis.

>Loans
>Welfare

You are aware that people have to pay back loans, right? With...with interest?
So it's really less like loans are welfare and more like they're some sort of revenue-generating investment designed to stimulate economic growth and make money for the government at the same time. Like some sort of... of... loan?

>>2031738

Oh well, still making some errors, but thanks for pointing it out!

Liberal + Art = two of the most useless things in the world combined.

Liberal Studies degrees, what a joke. They should at least have Conservative Studies degrees for kids with their brains screwed on right.

>I am at a university, which is somewhat similar to college.

>>2031760

A german university. I am not really sure about the difference between college and university in America and also the difference between that and a German university.

So sorry if I am mixing up things...

>>2031759

>Art
>Useless

Physics grad here to tell you you are retarded.

>>2031765

"College" and "University" are the same thing in the United States.

>>2031755
>interest generating wealth for the government
>implying banks are associated with the government
>implying select individuals aren't raking in all of the profit

fuck having to owe anything to the banks. I have never paid interest on anything. I haven't bought property yet though.

>>2031768
'Basically' the same thing. Technically a College is a school where one line of discipline is taught (like an engineering based school, or liberal arts, etc) and a University is technically a conglomerate of several colleges (read: teaches a broad array of disciplines). Though in American conversation "College" and "University" are essentially interchangeable.

>>2031771
Though banks do distribute student loans, the majority of students attend using Federal Direct Loans, which are sums of money issued by the United States Department of Education. They charge a competitive interest rate, depending on the level of education, and do not charge interest as long as the student remains in school. No private bank is involved in the process, and payment schedules are modifiable based on the level of a person's income. That's WHY they aren't forgiven if you declare bankruptcy. Because you aren't charged payments at all if you have no money.

Not to say you won't be paying that money back, but the only way a repo guy is going to show up at your door is if you aren't paying the appropriate quantity for your income.

I am from Canada where University is for intellectual pursuits and College is for job training. I would expect this is the same for Germany. In the US I think only "community college" as they call it is similar to the former.

Though I am totally against art majors receiving government money (even though I am a proud, even still, liberal enthusiast), if people want to spend their money/time studying German Philosophy than they have a right to do so. It is up to their parents to let them know what they are getting into.

But if art/lit grads want to create their masterpiece, get a fuckin job! I am not saying you won't ever do that while doing so you should be capable of supporting yourselves. If you really cared then you wouldn't expect handouts. This isn't fuckin 16th Century England, this is the Western World! where every writer since that time who wasn't born rich wrote in THEIR OWN free time, not time MADE free!

>>2031815
>where every writer since that time who wasn't born rich wrote in THEIR OWN free time, not time MADE free!

that's (1) not entirely true and (2) ignores the fact that a big percentage of important writers were born rich, since cultural pursuits were more limited to the wealthy than they are now. it's probably a good thing that you don't have to be independently wealthy to do this shit nowadays.

The value attached by the American Dream to economic success means that non-economic achievements become less important. The dream stresses desirability of achieving financial and material rewards, such as high incomes and consumer goods. This leaves little room for achievements and activities which do not conform the criterion of economic success. Education is valued NOT because it IS an intrinsic and individual achievement in its own right, but simply because it provides the means to achieve the American dream. If it does not do this then it has little value. The same could be said about altruism

You sir are a product of bloated and diseased society

>>2031836

I understood point 2, but can you site an instance where a person wrote/created anything of value while being solely funded by tax payers? And who wasn't already renowned?

>>2031853
holy question-begging cretin, batman.

>>2031853
this is what poorfags believe.

meanwhile I am going to enjoy my oversized house with a pool that I swim in maybe twice a week during the summer and a car that goes too fast.

overindulgence is fucking boss when you can afford it.

student aid is virtulalyl nonexistant in the united states, you have to repay yr loans bro.

>>2031855
Solely funded by the taxpayers isn't the same thing as attending university on financial aid. Financial Aid is a fiscal incentive, which is intended to improve the nation's economy by making better use of its intellectual resources. Arts and Entertainment are huge revenue streams in America, and the abstract arts and sciences feed the concrete practices and engineering with insight. Entitlements, on the other hand, are measures taken to improve general quality of life by expending income on it. That may or may not be a good practice but it's certainly a different one.

Also, didn't Kerouac write On the Road while defrauding the government on his GI Bill check or something? Or was that just his character?

Honestly anon I don't know.

Just going into college this year and I really want to major in classical studies. When I was 13 I used to save my allowance to go and buy latin books and books on the Roman Empire and that trend continud till today.

I guess it's just the love of the field and not caring about money?

Still wondering if I should pursue a career in the archaeological field or the educational field though. I would prefer mostly to be a uni professor but there is always the risk of becoming a glorified language requirement teacher at a high school which is really scary.

I hope you have a wonderful time making lodsemone though OP. Best of luckt o you.

>>2031855
I can't remember if it was East of Eden or Grapes of Wrath, but one of the two was funded by government grants, which came from taxpayer money

idiets

>>2031875
>>2031875

P.S Have any of you fine gents read The Letters of Pliny the Younger? Oh god it's a fucking fantastic read, can't believe I missed this gem before. A bunch of roman gossip from a lawyer to his acquaintances

>wasting government welfare to run off and play with your rich hipster-stoner friends

sounds legit

>>2031657
I remember when trolling used to mean something...

Why are people so hopeless at it now?

>>2031892
That's on my to read list.
Not the person you responded to, btw.

>>2031940
>>2031940

It's absolutely wonderful. It's like a gossip magazine except written by a prominent Roman lawyer. Roman law was highly regarded as a show and he trash talks all of his colleagues to the other colleagues and vice verse. In one letter theres like a three page explanation as to what his house in the country is like and how wonderful it is. Pretty sure it was to make the recipient jelly.

I guess you're right, i'll go back in time and do what you say

I go to the top ranked liberal arts college in the nation. The school exists primarily to get people into graduate programs (law, med, PhD primarily, and in that order). Half of the school is going to get a job at daddy's firm. The other half is going to get a PhD and become members of the academic elite. It is definite ticket to a better life, that idiots like OP can never gain access to, so I can see why he is raging like a butthurt child.

>>2031949
God, I can't wait. Which translation do you recommend?

>implying im not double majoring in physics and economics
>implying that blue collar working jobs are going to remain in this country

?

College is shit. I got more out of reading.

My parents spent something like 40K per year to fund my private school education, and I'll probably be headed off to some expensive as hell school like NYU.

If it was simply about acquiring knowledge and common sense, my parent's probably could've saved hundreds of thousands of dollars by getting a library subscription and having me borrow textbooks to read.

Unfortunately, your not going to get a fucking job anywhere without a college degree, regardless of how overpriced it is.

>>2032036
>your not going to get a fucking job anywhere without a college degree
>anywhere

Untrue. Just depends on what kind of lifestyle you're comfortable with, and where. And it doesn't sound like your parents would let you fall on hard times, anyway.

>>2032036
>implying NYU isn't overrated

Go to a real school.

Because I was lied to all my life and told if I get a degree in anything I'd get a good job. When I started college this was still being shoved down our throats, so I wanted to study something I enjoyed which was literature. Then, in my 3rd year the economy goes to fucking shit and everyone is going LOLOL STUPID FUCKS Y STUDY SOMETHING THAT WONT GET U JOB!? ENJOY UR DEBT

I hope high school faculty have changed their fucking "advice". For most of us these days its better to get a job first before going to college.

ITT: A bunch of fags talking about how learning is overrated.

As per usual during these threads, have fun everyone with your money in being part of the rat race and the large corporate or non-money making people that hate your jobs picked a job i will have fun with, going to school for it
yes via loan oh well ill pay it off soon enough but the rest of you that just want money. your fucking idiots.

>pay taxes for years which pays for everything including welfare
>have no real say in how taxes are spent
>get welfare eventually
>get called lazy
RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEE!!!

IT GOES IN ALL FIELDS

>>2032210
Not to mention people on welfare STILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES! Yet people act like they don't!

>>2032099

>Implying any degree would get you a job in today's economy
>implying college isn't one big scam
>implying you wouldn't be better off learning how to be an electrician or plumber than you would with a liberal arts degree, most science degrees, even most engineering degrees

>>2032216
what this guy said

I completely advise that all of you drop out of college; it will only make my degree that much more valuable. I honestly think we need more pawns to do the menial tasks. It's sort of like how in Brave New World they have those peasant classes doing all the retard jobs while the superior ones enjoy control. I think we need more people like OP to convince the stupid to abandon their hopes of an educated life.

Degree not getting you a job? Learn to do like I do and avoid the real world for longer! How, you ask?

GRAD SCHOOL!

LOL, education / jobs? This is your world in 4 years anyway.
Why is it the more your world crumbles, the more you want to fix it? It isn't sustainable, or even desirable.

>>2032231
When did we get all these retarded idealistic fags on /lit anyways?

If you guys think education is all about getting a job, you're dead wrong. Certainly that is one of the happy benefits of attending college, but education shouldn't be considered as means to an end. If there is a purpose in life of a higher calling than education and knowledge, I cannot think of it.

I have attended college not just because I want to get a job, but primarily because I want to be in an environment where I can learn, met, and debate alongside others.

>>2032235

Don't you know that college is just one giant mid management worker factory? Enjoi ur mindless drones that won't do manual labor.

I think most people forget that colleges and universities are for receiving a higher level of education than what one receives in high school. It shouldn't be about getting a sweet job or making tons of money. Although that is what it has come to.

>>2032237
You're right. We should just eschew all our educational responsibilities and live in the woods.

I'm sure you'll find a nice job as an electrician or a plumber someday. You might even find a blandly attractive woman and marry her and have equally average children. If that's what you want, good for you.

I'm not at college just because I want a good job, but because I want to commit myself to a life of learning and developing. This is the main benefit in my eyes. Of course, there are also numerous studies that have proved the higher the education you have the more money you will make. I mainly perceive this as a happy side-effect of committing myself to such an educational life.

>>2032246

Yeah, and how much money would your "education" give you? When you look at it economically you will spend way more than you would get back, where as a plumber probably spent a thousand getting his certificate while making bank fixing people's plumbing.

>>2032235

i agree with you but lol if you think that happens in american colleges

>>2032252
Depends where you go. I attend an American college and that is how it is. I'm constantly surrounded by intelligent people who are interested in learning. Most of them have aspirations of improving the world. All of them are interesting to talk to, and I am mentally enriched by sharing and debating our ideas.

It's 2011. Colleges are for getting jobs. Or drunk. And in this (global) economy, good luck with that. I didn't go to college. I educate myself, AND have peers who I discuss things with, and am constantly learning things from. The only difference?
>no debt to pay back

>>2032251
Not everyone can become a Plumber. If everyone were to discover your awesome and flawless secret of getting a Plumbers license and raking in (as you mendaciously presume) the buckets and buckets of cash a a result, the demand for it would drop quite swiftly.

And no one gives a shit about Plumbers anyways. Can you name a single famous Plumber anyone can remember? Perhaps a Plumber who changed the world in some way?

When people go to a reputable public school (such as Berkeley, UCLA, or so on), they really aren't spending that much money. Over a 4 year period you're still spending less than you would financing a decent brand new car.

Just because you somehow feel slighted by education doesn't mean the system is faulty. It just means you're an idiot. I have no problem with people becoming Plumbers; it just means they can spend their life cleaning my shit; literally.

>>2032263
>Can you name a single famous Plumber anyone can remember? Perhaps a Plumber who changed the world in some way?

I can name two.

"The typical college graduate earns an estimated $650,000 more than the typical high school graduate over the course of a 40-year work life, according to a new analysis of census and college cost data by the Pew Research Center."

http://pewsocialtrends.org/2011/05/15/is-college-worth-it/6/

>>2032268
Fucking lol'd

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>>2032268
hahaha

>>2032086
>implying I don't know that
If I could choose, I'd probably go to somewhere like Reed or Oberlin, unfortunately I have first gen asian parents who wouldn't let me do that. Oh well.

Four years avoiding a shitty job market just drinking beer and fucking girls.

Feels good man.

pic related

Sir I disagree. The way I see it, financial aid for college is fair so that way anybody can have a an education as long as they work hard. No 18~ personally has the money to pay tuition. You should work for what you get, but you shouldn't be held back due to your background.


ALSO NOT LITERATURE

>>2031738
>Grammar correction.
oh my god i have to start using this

so hilarious

also it should read as "Grammar correction:" because that thing up there is a sentence fragment


saging a troll thread

>>2031621

But I'm studying computer science, and I work 30 hours a week...