>They killed my nigga Jon.

Oh wait, they didn't.

disappointing. I want the fuck out of mereen.

>>1991710
>>1991681

I am SO GLAD that I decided not to come on to /lit/ again until I finished reading A Dance with Dragons because I knew how many spoilering douchebag children exist here.

>>1991714

OP here, what? I purposely didn't name any names for that very reason. It's GRRM, you know he was going to do something.

>>1991710

That said, I really don't know how Jon will get out of that one. What, is he going to be reborn as a wight?

I saw this in a bookstore window, all the little books were orbiting round it because it's so massive.

I thought it was way better than AFFC, even though Sansa is my favorite character and Cersei's POVs were interesting.

>>1991724
Melisandre plothax will save him most likely. He'll be the anti-Renly.

>>1991724

He's Azor Ahai reborn. Did we not read the same book?

>>1991714

Get over yourself. If the book is worth reading only for the plot points, it isn't worth reading. The Iliad was ruined for no one by knowing the ending.

>>1991725
haha GRRM is fat

>>1991740

He got stabbed like 4 times and died. Did we not read the same book?

I already got spoiled about Jon, but does Howland Reed show up in the book

>>1991748
because goddamnit I want some confirmation on L+R=J already

>>1991748
No, he isn't even mentioned this time.

the impending fate of the reed siblings is depressing

I was so excited about Quentyn..

Jon doesn't die. Deal with it.

>>1991750
It was confirmed a long time ago that Loras+Renly = Jaime

op is an ugly neckbeard. reported.

>>1991787
i dont know how i've never heard that joke before

>>1991746

Did the book say he died? No. It did not.

I was completely surprised that the tragic character of Theon was one of the book's central characters. I thought it really elevated Martin's writing, in those sections. The chapter titled "A Ghost In Winterfell" was the best. Where the two youngest Greyjoys go from here is anyone's guess, and that too is good writing.

>>1991800
>Where the two youngest Greyjoys go from here is anyone's guess
No, it really isn't. Asha heard about that precedent where one of the brothers was left out of the kingsmoot and rightfully fucked everyone's shit up when he got back. Hurr durr guess who didn't partecipate in the Greyjoy family kingsmoot even though he had a right to and so can contest Euron's claim?

ALL CHARACTER SPOILERS!!!

Varamyr
Chills in the woods for awhile and talks about skinchanging and shit.

Dany
Pisses off half the world and starts a war with them, fucks a sellsword, chains her dragons up, marries for peace, runs away with the one dragon she didn't chain up, gets found by one of Drogo's old Kos, now a Khal.

Jon
Opens up the Wall to the Wildlings, allowing them to man many of the abandoned forts, and allowing those who wish to join the Watch. Pussyfoots around getting the Watch involved in Stannis' war, and is eventually Caesar'd by his men.[/spoile]

Tyrion
Is sent to Illyrio, who has him join up with a band of people going to see Dany. Later figures out that the sellsword leading the group his Jon Connington, and that his "son" is in fact Aegon Targaryen. Gets kidnapped by Jorah Mormont, hooks up with some useless dwarf chick, and then sold into slavery on the way to Dany. Joins the Second Sons and forges a contract to help him reclaim his birthright.

Bran
Meets the three-eyed crow and some children of the forest thanks to cold hands. Learns how to skinchange into ravens and see through the eyes of weirwood trees.

Quentyn
Joins up with a mercenary group to reach Dany, then shows her the marriage contract once she is already married. Tries to steal one of her dragons, and gets roasted for it.

Davos
After being spared by Manderly, is tasked with find Rickon Stark and bringing him back to the North to win favor against Bolton and declare him as one of Robb Stark's true heirs.

Theon
Tortured by Ramsay for while, loses a few digits and shit and goes by Reek. Eventually cleaned up to give "Arya" away for her wedding to Ramsay, and later with the help of Mance Rayder and six spearwives, gets her out of Winterfell.

Jon Connington
Hires the Golden Company for Aegon and reclaims his birthright of Griffon's Roost and begins a plan to siege Storm's End.

Asha
Loses Deepwood Motte to a combined force of Stannis and northernmen, remains his captive during the march to Winterfell and eventually reunites with Theon.

Melisandre
Prophesier and shit and reveals that through glamor she had Rattleshirt killed in Mance's place and kept him alive.

Aero
Continues to be a fly on the wall.

Arya
Regains her eyesight, and commits her first job for the House of Black and White after being given a new face.

Jamie
Bros around the Riverlands then runs off with Brennie.

Cersei
Admits to numerous counts of infidelity and is forced to walk naked the streets of King's Landing from the High Sept of Baelor to the Red Keep.

Barry Stan
Helps organize a coupe to remove Dany's husband from power under the pretenses he tried to have her killed. Acts as Hand of the Queen and makes preparations to fight off Dany's enemies. He also kills some faggot in a duel.

Victarion
Reaves. Throws people overboard. Reaves. Fucks bitches. Reaves. Chokes a bitch. Throws man-whores overboard. Reaves.

Kevan Lannister
Does a decent job at cleaning up Cersei's mess before he and Pycelle are killed by Varys.


Just saved you 950 pages.

>Victarion
>Reaves. Throws people overboard. Reaves. Fucks bitches. Reaves. Chokes a bitch. Throws man-whores overboard. Reaves.

Probably the most accurate of all your summaries.

Great book with the exception of Dany chapters. She's becoming a real pain in the ass.

>>1991822

I've always hated her. I kinda liked her chapters in book 1, but she's been more and more annoying since. All that 'hurr ima queen nvm that im 14 and retarded' shit is fucking annoying.

Ramsay Snow/Bolton

After things go bad at Winterfell, cuts the face off of Theon Greyjoy desperate to disguise himself as his new Reek as he did his old one, and becomes an outwardly perfect duplicate, revealing that legends of Boltons wearing the skins of their enemies is a reference to a hereditary affinity for the same magic that Arya just learned to use on her first professional killing.

>>1992181

this fag again.....nope, that's wrong. totally out of character. A wild reach in the wrong direction.

>>1992181

Don't like that one, how about this one:

Mance sent the "Bastard" parchment in Ramsay's name to get Jon to join him outside of Winterfell, complete with a shit-ton of wildlings. He got so disgusted with those fucks while he was playing the bard, he's ready for some back-up, so he lied to get it. Shit goes horribly wrong right when Jon's mobilizing, though...

ned dies rob dies etc

>>1992195
I almost included that in the post you're replying to.

>>1992191
Who pissed in your Cheerios?

>>1992195

This sounds almost plausible, well shit.

>>1992195
I thought Ramsey might start to loses his shit after Theon and Jeyne escaped Winterfell, Mance and his spearwives (or at least some of them) escaped aswell and Stannis actualy beginns to win against him after he got some very vital tricks and informations from Theon.
Heck, maybe Stannis even recruited Asha and her men to fight him at Theon's suggestion.
So now he hangs around in Winterfell, Stannis about to be at his front door and his father actualy decides to save his resources and not come to his help.
So he tries to get Jon into breaking his oath and make him his new hostage.

Personaly i think the best end for Ramsey would be an arrow through the throat while he tries to scare his men into hunting Stannis men in nearby forrests, fired by Theon. After all he is only missing the pinky finger on his right hand and might still use a bow if he can find a way to hold the bow somewhere, maybe with his feet.

Tywinn's last words "Where all whores go..." was meant as "to hell" right?

I bet we will never know what happend to Tysha, but judging by the setting she threw herself off a cliff after her ordeal.

>>1993861
I took him as meaning he didn't know and didn't care.

Any idea who the silent giant is? They hinted that he does not shit, eat, sleep, and never removes his armor + helmet. Could he be a reanimated corpse of the mountain? Since a dead guy escorted the reeds and bran i think it's possible.

>>1994035
Qyburn necro'd the mountain.

Not enough bran, that last chapter of his was great. Davos too. What is going on with Rickon and osha in the dreadfort of all places? Barristan and victarion are fun to read, martell was too beta. Dany and tyrion were lacking, I never liked asha or theon. Jon's fate, if true, ruined my predictions for the series since I assumed he had danyesque plot armor and was rhaegars son/the third head. What about the blue rose on the wall of ice?

Victarion will be the second head.

>>1994065
>dreadfort

Surely you can't be so daft as to think they're there? Surely.

>>1994072
Skaagos? Im quite daft, where are they?

>Reaves. Throws people overboard. Reaves. Fucks bitches. Reaves. Chokes a bitch. Throws man-whores overboard. Reaves.

Victarion and Theon chapters are the best chapters.

>>1994080

There you go, champ.

>>1994091
Just seemed like quite the odd place to be to me.

theory for jon: he warged more and more the whole book, maybe enough that he could survive in the same way varamir had died multiple times.

Or melisandre could do like thoros to save him.

Anyone else feel like bran has the potential to be the big bad antagonist later in the series? The children and three eyed crow don't seem entirely benevolent and bran breaks all the warg rules HODOR etc. Him or stannis, who is like to fucking snap.

I wish Bran had more POV time. I want to know more about looking through the eyes of trees, especially when it's hinted that some people can hear Bran whispering.

I also hope Melisandre brings Jon back, if only because the Wall will be boring without him.

Almost all of Dany's chapters sucked except one of the early ones when the kid gets eaten and the next to last during the pit fights. The rest should have been axed and told sparingly through Quentyn who had a much better story arc. That alone would have made the book bareable. Cut half of Jons chapters and you have an excellent book.

I think the general consensus is that if Martin goes through with the 7 books then Jon = AA. If there will be an 8. book then we can't know for sure.

>>1994213

>implying GRRM will be able to live long enough to write 8 books

>>1994108
My guess is that Melisandre tries to use Jon's body to bring back the stone dragon, since he is the bastard brother of a King (Robb was for a short while King of the North, considering they even send Aemon away for his relationship to a past King, it seems the prophecy is vague enough) and possibly related to the old dragon kings.

Either way the whole thing goes wrong and instead of bringing the dragon back, Jon destroys the dragon in a fight of souls (thanks to Ghost souls comming to his aid) and comes back to life but with dragonish traits. Like creating a certain heat around himself, always enough to not freeze but not enough to melt snow around himself, immunity against fire and being able to harm others with his presence.

>>1994234
Does he have children. I hope we won't get the whole Dune mess all over again.

Anyone else wonder what role Gendry will play in the end?

>>1994241
Sup Martin. Testing out full retard crazy ideas again?

This showed up in my subscription box today:
http://youtu.be/QsqsomsVmSI

>>1994205

Yeah, there were only one or two good Jon chapters. The large majority were just journal entries about the daily life of a lord commander.

>>1994241
I really really hope he doesn't increase Jon's "unlikely merits for a dude who's something like 19" list any more with something like being a prophesied messiah.
>Captcha: Ghis McDesuce

It shouldn't be called A Song of Ice and Fire. It should be called "People getting captured, escaping, getting captured by someone else, escaping, ending up in a different part of the country than where they intended, getting captured again, escaping again, and again, and again."

Or "Incredibly long set-ups for sequences that seem like they're about to be motherfucking amazing, but then never happen because the characters randomly get captured by random people."

I swear to God Martin writes this fucking thing with two ten-sided dice and a chart labeled 1-100 and "gets captured" is on the chart at least 30 different times, and "gets killed" and "gets raped" and "encounters an amazingly unlikely coincidence" are on there at least 10 times each.

This is the most frustratingly wanderingly plotted bullshit.

I enjoy the books though, mostly.

>>1994249

It's going to be something quite big. Martin keeps reminding readers he's alive and is bringing Jaime with Brienne to where they'll meet. Brienne knows who Gendry is. He has a better claim to the throne than Stannis if he gets legitimized. He's pretty close to where Sandor hangs around and both of them are acquintances of Arya who's the most built up character in the whole series.

>>1994260
Yeah, stupid enough?

How is this, Brienne is the grand-daughter of Duncan the Tall, who didn't died at Summerhall but went into exile for not being able to save Duncan the Small and Aegon V. He became lord of Tath after the last heir to Tarth was killed by a bandit before Duncan could save him.

>>1994303
Always thought the proper name would be "It get's worse, the series."

>>1994322
Yes, that works on at least two levels.

>>1994249
Gendry is going to take his bull helm and swat tommens face in with it. Then he is going to forge a sword out of the helm, become AA reborn, and arya is going to be nissa nissa.

>>1994316
That is less retarded and more unlikely... scratch that, it's simply not hinted at but possible.

Though i wonder what difference would that make, barely anyone has read those short stories around Duncan the Tall.

Though leaving the Kingsguard after faking his death could be an interesting information for Jaime.

>>1994328

I wonder if Stannis would legitimize Gendry. Besides Tommen and Stannis, who could do it?

>>1994343

Varys puts the request in a list of forms and tommen stamps it without thinking.

>>1994343

Mance Rayder

I'm curious to see how Jon Snow's death will work into him being Azor Ahai. The pieces are all there, Bowen's crying (salt), his wounds smoking (smoke), wun wun killing the knight with the star sigil (bleeding star), but doesn't this just shit on her belief that Stannis is AA reborn?

>>1995492
>salt, smoke, bleeding star

wut

>>1995504
"when the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone."

Bam.

http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/08/its-official-gemma-whelan-to-play-yara-greyjoy/#comments

How have I not heard of this before? They're changing Asha's name because it sounds too much like Osha? Are you fucking kidding me?

>>1995524

They're changing the name of a minor POV character to something that's different, but overall the same in feel. Who fucking cares? It's like the autists bitching that they changed Robert Arryn to Robin Arryin, minor changes translate better in spoken dialogue than in the written word.

The story will still be the same, get over it.

>>1995524
Who cares? Not like her name actually matters.

Yara is a pretty awful name, but fuck it.

>>1995528

>minor POV character
Did you read AFFC? Half of the fucking book is about the Greyjoys and all their kingsmoot circlejerking. And also, I think Osha is slightly smaller of a character, considering that she fucking vanishes after book 2

>The Winds of Winter
>All Victarion Chapters
>reaves his way through the seas
>reaves the fuck out of meereen
>meets up with dany and the dragons
>with his new power hand and drowned god+r'hllor religion, is able to blow the dragon horn without dying
>hops on Viserion, reaves the fuck out of the Dohtraki Sea
>reaves his way through westeros
>reaves the others into oblivion
>reaves king's landing
>King Victarion

>ASOIAF fanfic time?


I want a GRRM end for Dany. All 40,000 of the dothraki and their horses too. Its either she dies or she becomes the big bad at the end of the book.


>>1995671
He doesn't have to blow it he just has to perform the ritual so he is the owner of the horn. He could then use one of his slaves to blow the horn.

>>1994278
The best part of any Jon chapter is Edd freaking Tolett.

I think that there are three prophecies for three people. There is the Prince that was Promised, Azor Ahai, and the last hero. AA is clearly dany because of the prophecy: When the red star bleeds, and darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born amidst smoke to wake dragons out of stone. Dany fids all this criteria.
Then the Prince that was Promised is Aegon Targarean because he was Rhaegar’s heir, and was promised the throne. Also, when Dany is in the house of the undying she sees a vision of a king who names his heir Aegon, and says, “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.”
But the dragon has three heads. Jon Snow, the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar is also a Targaryan. I think he will be the last hero, but will remain dead in the next book, as Danny and Aegon fulfill their prophecies. They will keep the others at bay for a little while, but they won’t be enough and they may die. Then in the last book Jon will rise again as an other, forge a new magic hero’s sword by either killing, Bran, Ayra, or Ghost, and become the person in the last prophecy. Glowing like a sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue eyed king who cast no shadow. This will explain Jon’s dream where he was, “armored in black ice (a cold dead other), but his blade burned red in his fist.” It also explains why Melisandre keeps seeing Jon Snow in her fires, not Stannis. I predice when Jon becomes The Last Hero, he will be the one to seek the final truth about the others and end them once and for all. But since he is an other as well, it will mean his death.

So can we all agree that Jon is AA? It's been in the cards for a while, but Dance just beats you over the head with it.

Also, I don't have anything to support this, but at this point I'm willing to bet Aegon is a fake. Just feels like something GRRM would do. Plus he has a better stake to the throne, which is a threat to Dany, who I feel has too much momentum behind her to not end up on the throne.

My expected endgame... Jon (L + R = J) and Dany will marry, and repel the others to save the Seven Kingdoms.

>>1995731
I read some speculation that named him as Illyrio's son by a Targ descendant. Or he could be Asha Dayne's kid.

>>1995731
>Dany, who I feel has too much momentum behind her to not end up on the throne.

She didn't have any momentum for her at all in DwD. It was confirmed she wasn't in control of her dragons, they did whatever they wanted which was mostly eat and nest, she's loathed in Meereen and her city is surrounded by enemies. Her soldiers are dying in droves. And then she isn't even in Meereen anymore, probably about to become Khal Jhaqo's concubine.

Now she also has competitors with better or as good a claim to the Iron Throne as her. Also these competitors are already in Westeros.

>>1995743
I didn't mean momentum in the literal sense of her moving toward her objective.

I mean GRRM has put entirely to much of his attention on her for it to end in an ignominious death. I know people like to think that nobody is off limits in this series, but if anyone has plot armor, it's Dany. She reeks to me of being GRRM's pet, which is probably why she's one of my least favorite characters.

It could also be because her Dance chapters were just boring as shit. If it weren't for Barry, I would have considered the entire Meereen business a trudge.

Why didn't HBO cast Christina Hendricks as Melisandre? This does not please R'hollor.

Also ADWD could have done with one or two Sansa chapters and less Dany chapters. Sansa's had the best character arc with a minimum of unbelievable bullshit, so I'd really like to see her become Queen of the Vale or something.

>>1995759
the reason she has been built up is because of her dragons. I'm willing to be that she will die soon and her dragons will all end up in other peoples hands

>>1995719
>Also, when Dany is in the house of the undying she sees a vision of a king who names his heir Aegon, and says, “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.”

When I read that I always thought it was the first Aegon, the Conqueror.

>>1995791
What of "the dragon has three heads?" Just misdirection? I'm thinking it's a bit more than that.

Dany, Jon (assuming he's a Targaryen) and Aegon (assuming he's the real Aegon) would wrap that up nicely.

>>1995805
Nope. Aegon's going to die. He's the mummer's dragon, the false dragon. The real third head is Tyrion, who is really the son of Aerys and Joanna.

>>1995818
wasn't it hinted that Tyrion was Tywin only child though?

>>1995831
That Lannister aunt meant that more in terms of personality than hinting at some kind of illegitimacy.

>>1995818
I fucking hate that theory, just because it would piss me off SO GOD DAMN MUCH is Grrm just tossed away Tyrion's character to make him a Targ. He's a LANNISTER - that defines every fucking thing about him, even in his exile, even after killing the patriarch of his clan. That better not happen, god damn.

Also, just a reminder that the "Mummer's Dragon" could just refer to him being controlled by Varys, not being fake.

>>1995831

If I remember correctly, it was said that Tyrion was "his father's child" more than Jaime. What I don't remember is whether it was explicitly stated that Tyrion was Tywin's.

>>1995844

It might have had a double meaning though.

So is Jon Azor Ahai because of the "smoking" wounds and salt tears under a "bleeding star"? (Ser Patrek's star is all bloody.)

Or is it a red herring with a football in-joke? Ser Patrek is named after a fan Patrick who won a football bet with GRRM and was put into the book in a Dallas Cowboys inspired heraldry to get torn apart by a Giant (guess who GRRM's favorite team is). Would the prophecy really depend on this?

>>1995844
I wouldn't put it past GRRM, though. It was a bit odd how Tywin was so vehemently against giving Tyrion Casterly Rock.

I thought it was just because he was a dwarf and because Joanna died giving birth to him, but I don't think that all adds up with Tywin's personality. He's supposed to be cold and pragmatic, and holding a grudge against his dwarf son for killing his wife in childbirth doesn't make sense, unless it wasn't actually his son. Tyrion was clearly the best fit to rule Casterly Rock out of his siblings. What could possibly make Tywin hate him so much?

>>1995874
It's not just about Tyrion. Tywin couldn't stand that Aerys took Jaime away from him and put him in the Kingsguard. His first words about the subject were, "Your brother's birthright?" Tyrion might not get Casterly Rock from Tywin even if he was as tall, strong and handsome as Jaime.

If Joanna had any children by Aerys, it was Cersei and Jaime, not Tyrion. Maximum irony.

>>1995869

Jon being AA is almost explicit at this point. Almost. That's why I think Gurm will troll us by having Melisandre burn his body or something, And because his death was so sudden, he didn't have time to warg Ghost.

I actually think Jon's death wouldn't be a big blow to the plot. He already has accomplished a lot by defending and fortifying the Wall and then letting the wildlings in, which has immense consequences for the North. That means his character's legacy and integrity wouldn't be compromised.

I hope he stays dead. I hope Dany will turn into villain. Those are probably the biggest two gotchas possible at this point.

Monarch tiers
Beyond shit tier: Dany
Shit tier: Aerys, Joffrey
Bad Tier: Euron, Tommen, Robert
Mid Tier: Stannis, Renly, Balon
High Tier: Robb
God Tier: Aegon the Conqueror, young Aegon
Bro Tier: Mance Rayder

>>1996122
balon is bad

and young aegon has still done nothing at all himself

>and young aegon has still done nothing at all himself

Getting manipulated by everyone and throwing hissy fits when people prove to be smarter than him doesn't count?

>>1996122

> Mid Tier: Stannis, Renly, Balon
> High Tier: Robb
> God Tier: Aegon the Conqueror, young Aegon
> Bro Tier: Mance Rayder

The tears shed in TWOW, they will be delicious.
;_;

I think the thing that I liked most about ADwD were the Davos chapters. I was so worried about him after his brief mention in AFfC. Lord Too-Fat-To-Sit-A-Horse turns out to be pretty badass too.

So Theon is now by Stannis. Why do i have the feeling we won't see him again next book?

I mean we are talking about Stannis here, the guy who chopped up the finger tips of the guy who saved his life by smuggling food into his besieged fortress, because he had been a smuggler (yes in theory that's still kind of fair and Davos holds no grudge because of it, but still it shows how serious he takes the laws).

Theon is a double betrayer, child killer and well, a walking dead either way.

>>1996853
Wouldn't Stannis feel the punishment should be dealt by one of the Starks? Edd or some shit

I dunno. Only read half of book 1

>>1996921
Stannis doesn't really abide by the rules of the north, so no, he wouldn't think that. also, about eddard...

>>1995879

If Jon is dead permanently and one of his enemy Brothers takes over, it will mean war between Wildling and Black Brothers. The alliance with Wildlings was 90% of what got him killed in the first place.

>>1996853
Stannis is a stickler for justice but he isn't retarded. Sure he chopped Davos' fingers but the Baratheon bannermen also betrayed him and supported Renly yet he forgave them because he needed them to win his throne.

Same with Theon. He might think he deserves to die but he will use Theon because he can bring the Greyjoy's into the King's Peace and have them back him up if he puts Theon on the Seastone Chair and rightful lord of the Iron Islands.

>>1996853
isn't Stannis kinda dead though?

>>1997083
GRRM does this shit all the time. It's so fucking repetitive by now and people still fall for it.

Aegon died, oh wait nvm. Davos was executed, just joking. Bran and Rickon were beheaded, haha fooled you. The Hound died from his wounds, I'm just referring to his persona dont worry Sandor is still alive. The axe hit Arya, Yoren's blade came down on Arya. Don't worry guys it only cut her hair. Brienne was hanged, too bad the branch broke because of Brienne's fat ass.

Who knows, maybe Ned, Robb, Tywin and Drogo are really alive just chilling and drinking a beer in Asshai.

>>1997112
where does it say Sandor is still alive. the priest buried him and his helm got stolen. nowhere does it state he's still alive.

>>1997169
New recruit that is over 6 feet tall digging graves. He's wearing a hood so you can't see who it is but Brienne remarks that he looks familiar. Stranger is there. When the priest is telling the story of his past he says he died on the Trident during Robert's Rebellion.

It's clear that when the Elder Brother says he died he's referring to his old persona rather than his physical body. Also when he tells Brienne what happened to The Hound he never says that Sandor Clegane died, he always says it is the Hound.

>>1997190
never even noticed that. I hope its true since Sandor was awesome.

>>1994244
>>1997112

Though it is getting to be a bit much, I like the fake deaths, at least when it comes to one character saying another is dead. I like the feel of a world where you really can't be certain of any events you didn't witness, or don't have a trustworthy witness to.

I really wish the books (AFFC and ADWD) had some kind of climax though. Seriously, NOBODY AT ALL cares about Meereen--just get everyone the fuck out of there, GRRM. I also hate his stupid editor who removed two arc climaxes from the book but couldn't revise the words and phrases that were used a dozen times too many. She was just rushing the book out so it could come out after the show, but they coulda waited a few more months after the show ended anyway.

>>1997403
I know what you mean every book has at least 1 phase that shows up in just about every chapter. how did they slip through, its so annoying.

>>1997190
Anyone else bets that Faith's Champion in Cercei's Trail by combat will be Sandor and he ends up killing Zombie Gregor.

>>1997071
Theon is barely capable of living, how the fuck is he supposed to rule over the Ironmen in his state. They would never support a cribble who might not even survive a bit of harsh wind.

The only option he truely has is to take the Black for his betrayls and become a pencil pusher there, since he isn't fit for either builder or ranger. Which would add another layer of irony to his demise. If Ramsey would have taken a bit longer, Theon might have become a Ranger with a bright futur instead and have a less bad reputation by revealing Brann and Rickon to have escaped.

My main problem is that with the Starks decimated I really don't care for any of the factions. I fucking hated Cersei yet I hope she survives, forgive me, for the lulz. She's entertaining so why not? Better than watch a Tyrell circlejerk.

>>1997452
It seems the story is basicly about how the Starks cease to exist.

Eddard is dead. Benjen most likely too. Jon is or was only a bastard. Robb is dead. Robb's baby was miscarried with drugs. Bran is on his way to leave his physical existance behind. Rickon is most likely feral and won't grow up as a proper Stark anymore. Sansa apperently has lost all will to ever be a Stark against after it only brought her trouble the last two years. Ayra has left her past life behind and will never have the chance of taking up her birthright again.

So yeah, the Stark perspective is only to troll with those who like them.

>>1997455
arya doesn't have it in her to stop being a stark. she will get trained as a faceless one but will never actually become one.

Rickton is getting fostered at the Reeds precisely so he can one day claim his lordship and will most likely end up lord of winterfell and/or king of the north.

>>1997565
>Rickton is getting fostered at the Reeds

What? I thought Manderly hinted that he was in Skagos when he sent Davos to smuggle him back to White Harbor.

>>1997754
Wow that's a long way up north from Winterfell. Either Osha died and someone dragged him there, or she really has invisible balls going back north, since her reason for getting beyond the wall was that she wanted to escape the lands behind the wall.

Of course nobody puts it behind Martin to have killed her offpage since A Clash of Kings.

>>1997565
I imagined an insane chapter in which Syrio comes into the temple with a few of his former students and demands his own student back. We learn that he escaped Oakheart by using an thrusting needle he had hidden in his boots, which he used to puncture the knights leg armor, allowing him to escape via the window. Back in Bravos he notices the Needle in the crack Ayra put it in. So he goes into the temple and wants his student back. The assassin's demand a enchange for it, so he throws 20 iron coins on the ground, one from each faceless assassin he killed as bodyguard as rich Bravossi in his time as first sword.

So afterwards he beginns to train Ayra again, bringing her original self back and after finishing her training he sends her back to Westerors but with the order to never return to bravos unless she collected 20 iron coins herself.
So Ayra has both learned full Water Dancing but also still knows the basics of face changing.

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If Gregor is Robert Strong, then who was skull?

>>1998969
The skull of some guy with a big head. I don't think it would be that hard to find. After all someone tried to cash in Tyrion's bounty by killing a kid with a larger than normal head.

Though the alternative is that it's completely frankenstein's monster like and it's made up by several body parts attached to what was still left of Gregors.

Heck maybe he even used Jaime's hands or parts of it as hand for the thing. Since it's most likely magic maybe the individual body parts lend the whole creature their skills. So it has Jaime's ability with the sword.

If it goes Rampage and kills Cercei it would be a fitting end for her.

I had so much stock in the Martell's because I loved Doran and Oberyn. Now, it seems that Doran's run out of cards, and honestly, Arianne really doesn't seem like she has any real potential either. I just hope Dany doesn't win and that Tyrion ends up with something at least.

This board is super slow. How is a three day old thread still active?

>>1999059
People like to discuss good litatur for long. So threads stay longer. Hence why pop literatur threads don't dissapear very quickly either. Would you rather like it if this board is like /v/ were a thread is gone the moment you post it, if it isn't a troll thread or complainment about bioware?

>>1997413
dat hour of the wolf
dat cyvasse

>>1999048
Arianne will just continue being a slut. Other than that I don't see much except the Dark Star cooking up a rebellion.

so wait how can you be Azor Ahai without lightbringer?

>>1999088
I was always partial to the theory that zombie Jon will stab Dany through the heart with Longclaw. Fire+blood+valyrian steel=lightbringer. Though I'm probably just projecting.

How about this other theory: zombie Mountain will have many weaknesses because of all the weakened, starved normalfag parts inside of him. Chargrilled Loras vs. Zombie Gregor--that is so grotesque and deliciously fucked up that I can see GRRM doing it.

I'm curious as to what really happened at Dragonstone. None of the POV characters know all the details. At one point in AFFC it was said briefly that Dragonstone still stood defiant, though that could have just been due to news of its fall not spreading fast or continuity error on GRRM's part.
Either way something went on there that we don't know all the details for

seriously guys listening to prohesies? how dumb can you get. following prophecies gets you no where in these books. Look jon dany stannis all could be azor ahai reborn. Dany got another prophecy telling her to watch out for the perfumed seneschal and then we get introduced to at least 2 things (probably more) that fit the description. We all need to be a little bit more like varys and baelish and not fuck around with the magic of this series.

>>1999186
Actually, there hasn't been a prophecy in the series (or the Dunk and Egg stories) yet that has been wrong, just misinterpreted.

>>1999186

Azor Ahai is more than one person

>>1999141
Would be fun if the next book contains a chapter from the perspective of Stannis daughter.

Hmm. That could open some funny development. Imagine her being the only one not to look disgusted when changing Loras bandages. So soon he beginns to call only for her and servant boys to change them, since he can't stand the looks of the woman. So her mother imagines it means he has fallen for her. Meanwhile Cercei managed to send him a message that he is kicked out of the Kingsguard for being unfit to continue his duty with his wounds. Realising that he was played out, he decides to take revenge on Cercei by asking Stannis daughter for marriage. Smelling an alliance her mother agrees. Upon hearing it, Loras jests to Shireen that she can decide when she will have the bedding since they both will need to prepare for it in advance with a lot of wine.

This would basicly fuck up the entire Lannister/Tyrell alliance, since it would mean the Tyrells have a claim to the throne by two sides. Over Tommen and now over Shireen. Meaning one way or another they could controll the Throne. In turn however the Tyrell's and (over Tommen) the Lannisters could come to Stannis aid.

Do people just hate Dany because her chapters are a bit boring, or because she has better luck than other people?

She has noble goals and rides dragons, she's pretty awesome.

>>1999407
>Would be fun if the next book contains a chapter from the perspective of Stannis daughter.

If that happens, it'd have to be a prologue or epilogue. GRRM already said he's not doing any more POV characters that he hasn't already done.

Also, Shireen is at Castle Black. Loras is on Dragonstone. Why and how would she be changing his bandages?

>>1999447
Because i'm an idiot who is still stuck in Feast for Crows book 1 and take all my knowledge of the newest developments from spoilers.

>>1999447

>Believing anything GRRM says...

I hope you don't do this....

I think the pace of the series is going way too slowly.

Would you recommend
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Game-Thrones-Continues-volumes-Swords/dp/0007448058/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top ?

I've been very curious about the series after a friend introduced me too it and praised it.

>>1999466
You are correct. We have had two novels now of filler, "set-up" stuff that has come to nothing. At least in the second half of book 3, a lot of things came together and some badass shit happened.

Since then it has been completely soap, with almost no badass shit.

Come on, GRRM, bring some shit together and make something happen for fuck's sake.

>>1999462
I'd like to believe him about the POV characters because he has too many at the moment. He needs to kill a few off. It's affecting the story's pacing negatively.

>>1999532
The problem was that Feast and the first half of Dance were supposed to be the same book, so we didn't learn too much during the first half of Dance (except for the whereabouts of a few characters and a bit more about the Old Gods from Bran's POV).

Once things began to pick up in the second half, they came to a sudden end and were left as set-ups for the next book. I would have really liked to see some resolved plot lines, but for whatever reason, GRRM doesn't want to put out a 1500 page book (else he would have made Feast and the first half of Dance the same book), and Dance would have probably needed at least that much to get to some resolutions.

So what are the exact terms of the AA prophecy, and how do Jon/Dany fufill them?

>>1999559
"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.”

The circumstances of Jon's death fulfills part of the prophecy. The darkness gathering may refer to the Others beyond the wall, the bloody star was Ser Patrek's heraldry as the giant tore him to pieces, smoke rose from his wounds as he was stabbed, and the salt was the tears in Bowen Marsh's eyes as he stabbed him. The whole "wake dragons out of stone" part may refer to him being a Targaryen (assuming he's Rhaegar and Lyanna's son) and being "woken" from the dead, or maybe that he'll end up waking an actual stone dragon.

Dany fits it because she was born on Dragonstone during a serious storm (amidst salt and smoke) and "woke dragons out of stone" (the stone eggs she hatched on Drogo's funeral pyre), and then the bleeding red comet showed up in the sky.

I think GRRM shouldn't have pussied out of having a timeskip. It's completely fucked the series up.

His justification is that characters wouldn't sit around and do nothing for 5 years. I presume he means Stannis. FUCK STANNIS, he should have killed him off at the end of book three and gone through with the timeskip.

>>1999591
The timeskip would have been a little jarring. We'd have too many chapters of characters explaining what they did for 5 years through internal monologue instead of shit actually happening. Bran suddenly being a tree and Arya suddenly being a trained killer would have just been weird. There would have been too many loose ends and too much explaining of how things became how they are.

I do think Feast and Dance should have been mostly one book and they should have taken place over 5 years, though.

How many years are you willing to bet there'll be before the next one?
Im guesing 4 and a half

>>1999591
I have mixed feelings about the timeskip. SO MUCH SHIT happened in the first three books which was what? 2-3 years? Something around there. Either the five years in between would be inexplicably uneventful or we'd miss out on a lot.

>>1999591

Either the time-skip, or the last two books should have been one book of 700 or fewer pages.

>image related to what I want to do to GRRM's publisher for giving him "Protection from Editors"