Enjoy not having to move metric tons of shit if you decide to leave your current residence. E-book readers are obviously the future. Every fucking SCI-FI movie ever invented predicted them.

>>159145
Because people are elitist faggots. Not only do these things save tons of paper and manufacturing costs, but you don't have a shit ton of crap to lug around when you relocate.

I'd like to try one before buying, but I know of no one that has one.

Reading off a screen gives me a headache.

Enjoy having your access deleted whenever publishers, etc. invoke copyrights. Bitches.

>>159142
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>>159144
Please stop constantly spamming and harassing www.ａｎｏｎｔａｌｋ.com. Thank you.

>>159145
What are the piracy options like on a Kindle? Because the idea of buying my entire library of books again in e-form isn't particularly appealing....

Enjoy not being able to see any pictures in books in color

>>159217
Download Book
Upload Book to Kindle using USB and a computer
Read Book on Kindle

>>159204
this

>>159217

Very, very easy. mobipocket creator.

>>159204
e-ink

>>159204
Didn't they say it's suppose to read like real paper and not a computer screen? idk I've never used one but they look pretty cool not that I would get it now, but when it gets better anyway.

Hey anon, what's a good place to find pirated books?
I'm trying to find a copy of Infoquake by Edelman, but
I don't feel like paying.
Thanks oodles,
~anon

>>159145
Because without those shelves of carbon based paper books you look less like the intellectual you know you want to be, and with that second rate iPad you look more like the hipster faggot we all hate here on 4chan.

Is this the new way to troll? /lit/ is just /b/ with books.

two great reasons:

1) reading black-on-grey will drive you fucking insane
2) DRM!!! When Macmillan or whoever gets butthurt, they delete your books. no refund. game over. see:

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/29/amazon-and-macmillan.html

>>159400

1]. That's the stupidest fucking reason ever.
2]. Pirating.

now you go.

>>159400
Fucking this. At least when I have a physical copy of my books, the only way someone will deny me access to them is when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.

>>159400
Can't you just....um...I don't know....um....turn the wireless off?

>>159421At least when I have a digital copy of my books, the only way someone will deny me access to them is when they pry them from my HD, external HD, e-reader, basically anything that can store files. Oh, and somehow manage to cut off pirate sites even though the music industry was never able to
fucking fixed bitch

>>159400
lol you can change the back ground and text gray scale on the kindle 2. 16 shades to choose from. You can read black on white if you really want.

>>159443

shit just got real like pinocchio .

>>159421
>>159400

How exactly do they expect to take the pirated books off my computer hard drive too? Are they going to break into my house and smash my hard drive over the ground?

>>159305
>/ANY BOARD/ is just /b/ with SUBJECT OF BOARD.
fixd

"It's elitist to own books, so buy this new tech so you can correct your ways"

>>159400
nook here. amazon is a faggot

>>159477"it's elitist to disregard a new format because you can't be bothered to understand it and look down on others who use it"

man i am on a fucking roll bitches

ITT: People try to give reasons why the Kindle sucks and fail miserably and everyone just realizes they are poorfags.

>>159486

As e-readers are obviously awesome, this is the point that we should be arguing about.

Nook is for filthy Italians living in smokey, faux-pine paneled trailers and wearing their mothers house slippers!

I always thought more people actually wrote in their books, huh, maybe they want to keep them in pristine condition.

I wouldn't really mind using a kindle for reference reasons though. Would make finding passages so much easier (assuming there is a search function).

>>159543
you can make notes on kindles

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/29/amazon-and-macmillan.html

> contracts and DRM have the power to lock readers and writers into legally unbreakable shackles. There's no such thing as a proprietary book. There's no such thing as a license agreement necessary to read a book. Books are governed by a social contract that is older than publishing, older even than printing. The recent innovation of copyright in books recognizes the ancient compact between readers and writers, and protects your rights to own your books, to loan them, to give them away, to resell them, to read them in any nation, in any circumstance. A publisher or bookseller can't force you to buy Ikea sofas to sit upon while you read your books.

But Amazon can force you to buy Kindles (and Amazon-approved devices) to read your Kindle books on and listen to your Audible audiobooks on.

Forever.

And if one of the five titans that control almost all of publishing gets into a scrap with one of the four or five titans that control almost all ebook publishing, or the one company that rules the audiobook market, the collateral damage is that you will have to choose to eschew a gigantic slice of all the literature ever made in order to hang on to your library, or abandon your library in order to get access to that publisher's work. Or fill your shoulderbag with a half-dozen tablets and readers, one for each permutation of which corporate elephant is trying to crush another.

because people can't see how smart i am by looking at the cover of the book i am reading

>>159500
I got one: DRM

Sure, not all ebooks have it but it'll probably become harder and hard to buy ebooks without DRM as this shit gets more popular and authors/publishers get more afraid of piracy.

>>159543
I don't write in my books unless I'm studying for something and then I have binders with printed pages (a bit clumsy but I dont do it often), but it is an interesting point and raises a good argument for the I touch
(I assume thats a feature of the I-touch?)

>>159550
What does it look like, can you like underline passages and add notes to that passage? It's pretty easy to just underline and write on the side of a page. I'm curious as to how the notes are done.

>>159559
Can't I just download a .pdf format book and put it on my Kindle and read it?

I think I can.

>>159604

Kindle one you just have to convert it, which takes a mind numbing 30 seconds. I don't know about two, it didn't really offer many reasons to upgrade.

>>159581
Um...there is no DRM check on the current Kindle 2. I can download what ever fucking book I want and put it on the Kindle. How does talking about the future pertain to the present?

>>159219
>Pictures in books

What are you, eight years old?

>>159622

It doesn't. Anon is in argument death-throes and needs to find some way to justify his mistaken ideas.

>>159621
It is the same on Kindle 2 ( Except Kindle 2 has native .pdf support and you don't need to convert those ). Text-2-Speech is kinda cool if you want to listen to a book while you fall asleep which I do every night.

>>159559
On the one hand, Kindle and all the rest is good because it enables information to flow faster and enjoy wider access. On the other hand, it also allows for greater restriction.

THE 'CAN I OWN A KINDLE WITHOUT BEING A GIANT FAGGOT' CHECKLIST:

[ ] I read a lot (A LOT!). I'm seen with a different book every week or two.
[ ] I read a lot of stuff that's in the public domain and can be obtained for free on the internet.
[ ] I know how to find .pdf's of books that aren't public domain yet.
[ ] I check wikipedia every five seconds.
[ ] I can't be assed to charge my laptop every three-four hours to continue reading OR I read in direct sunlight frequently so an LCD screen sucks.

Four of five and you can buy a Kindle.

Um.

You can't set Kindles on fire.

>>159581
that is a legitimate complaint but is more of an issue with apple rather than e-readers in general. As you conceded yourself DRM is not an inherent property of e-readers. For example my sony e-reader doesnt have it. but even if in the future there is no commercially available DRM free reader, it is trivial to disable the wi-fi and download books through your home computer instead.

>>159217
easy, i do it all the time. go download a pdf, mobi, azw, etc from a tracker, send it to your kindle, and done.

>>159443
>>159443
atleast with my hard copy books they won't be able to know what I've been reading ( also, they won't be able to take them out of my warm, firearm bearing hands)

>>159642
I passed all five and got a Nook instead.

I heard the 3G on the Kindle is free, is that true?

I think I'll wait for color e-ink anyway.

Amazon can remotely delete books from a Kindle and did so in early 2009 when copyright issues meant Amazon shouldn't have been selling certain printings of certain titles. Customers who had purchased and downloaded the e-books in question, one of which was Orwell's "1984", found them missing from their Kindles after Amazon removed the files from the devices without prior notice.

Think about that for a moment.

Amazon can remove files from your Kindle remotely.

lol Enjoying my free fucking internet browsing on my Kindle 2.

But can you smell your ebook files?

>>159715
I tend to buy the hard copy and pirate the digital one and My sony reader doesn't go online (any books are torrented then put on my reader by usb) so I get the best of both worlds

>>159749
How can they do that with the wireless turned off?

>>159744
It is free on the current Kindle 2. You can browse the web on it for free. There are actually ways to hook the Kindle up to your computer as a modem to get free internet but, it is technical as fuck to pull off.

>>159787
and why did these people not have them backed up? thats asking for trouble, forget DRM if they ever lost their kindle theyed be fucked. hopefully they learned their lesson gently.

so using the internet is free on the kindle, even without 3g?

>>159778

That smell you like means the paper is inferior and will be unreadable in ~30 years

>>159145
There's something to be said about the library experience -- going around picking up books that are older than you, basing a book on, yes, its cover, and just reading random stuff you would never otherwise. Electronic books are good if you know what you want but otherwise, I prefer libraries.

Ebooks are the way of the future for schooling. instead of packing a sac full of heavy books have every course loaded onto your kindle.

>>159866
i also agree with this. i just like to own my books and be able to build up my own personal library.

same thats why i this >>159786

I one day want to be able to walk into my house and go to my personal library and see bookshelf upon bookshelf of books that I collected over a lifetime. Try that with ebooks. Not only that, but what if your kindle breaks?

>>159787

So, you're never going to turn the wireless on, fucktard? Amazon has a backdoor into each and every Kindle that hackers dream of. I'm surprised viruses haven't begun exploiting Kindles yet as it's an unprotected device which is also DESIGNED to connect to computers and allow surreptitious THIRD PARTY CONTROL.

Amazon deleted those books from Kindles that weren't even connected to the Amazon site. Amazon's programs actively went out looking for them across the 'net and, when they found them and the files they were looking for, they easily deleted the books in question without bothering to tell the customer or even issuing a refund.

They were able to do that because Amazon owns Kindle. They know more about it than you and it was built for them to access whenever the fuck they want. They can trawl the 'net looking for your Kindle and can wait for you to connect anywhere and at any time to fuck with your files.

But there's no problem with that at all, is there douchebag? It's not some gaping hole in security software just waiting for a malware attack to drive through, is it fuckslop.

And I thought you fucks were somewhat computer savvy. Serves me right for thinking other people can think.

Dudes, quit bitching about Kindles and the future of humanity. It's light and DRM will only be around until they figure out people won't tolerate it forever.

The thing is fucking tiny and amazing.

I actually enjoy /a/'s moe vs shounen, /v/'s console wars, /g/'s OStrolls, and whatever else you might think of. But I only enjoy them when compared to these fucking e-reader vs book threads.

There are good reasons to enjoy both of these mediums. Neither is going anywhere anytime soon. Also FUCK!!

you never NEED to go online with it and If you are really concerned you could open the damn thing up and disable the wi-fi

>>159787
Most people who use Kindle will download books through the associated services, which requires the connection.

>>159839
Yeah, that's a good response, since you'll surely still be using the Kindle and ebooks in 30 years... Shit, in 30 years we'll either be downloading directly to our brains or fighting off the mutant hordes in the nuclear wasteland. And in that wasteland, your Kindle won't work anyway, unless you're Denzel. Books still will if cared for properly.

>>159900
By the time Kindle is cheap enough to replace schoolbooks, there'll be something better.

Kindle will be a footnote in a decade. See what I did there?

>>160335
I'm already using it for university.

>>159143
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>>160428
Congratulations. That makes one of you. Does it have all of your books in the versions your professors require? Did you pirate all of those books or get them legally? Does everyone else in your class have a kindle, having paid the several hundred for it and finding all the books in ebook form such that it cost less than they would have spent on those same books?

People used to say everyone would use laptops in college/high school/elementary school. While some colleges do mandate laptops now (not many), and others are working to make them available, it's still nowhere near saturation, and they've been around much longer than Kindle, and the high and mighty macbooks were supposed to be cheap enough for everyone to have one...

One day digital will replace most textbooks in school, but it won't be soon. The numbers just don't add up yet.

I'll just play the waiting game until these get better.

I want a cheaper, smaller ebook reader. I don't need a keyboard, or wireless, or a big screen. I want one I can comfortably hold in one hand, for $200.

every professor I've had has an online component to their course. It's by know means universal but it's not unheard of. Also many of my courses have an electronic textbook that comes with your hard copy and one of my courses even had a free textbook online, but maybe things are a little more progressive in Canada.

>>160524
sony e-reader
shits awesome
minimalist design, no DRM bullshit, awesome.

>>160524
screen is the important part. ebooks should all be touch screen tablets and nothing else.

>>159145
there is a group that is trying to make a kind of synthetic paper that is like a double sided monitor, so you can actually have a couple pages that feel similar to paper, that you can turn to get the tactile feel of reading a book, but the letters on the paper change to whatever book/chapter/page you are reading.

I think that is the way to go, since people will always want to READ a book, as opposed to staring at a screen.

I like books. Doesn't mean I don't read ebooks, or look down upon those who do, but I'd prefer to read a book, and so still buy them. Just like I still buy cds despite the fact that I download ridiculous amounts of music every month.

I read all of my books on my desktop PC.

itt: amazon marketing department

>>160746
See you're probably kidding but I couldn't do that. Ive read one book on a laptop and that was awkward enough. I do enjoy my Ereader thogh

>>160786
fuck amazon this thread is about e-readers in general and its been shown repeatedly in this thread that the kindle comes with some undue dicketry, but that doesn't discount e-readers as a whole.

Kindle is faggots.

Sony Reader > Nook > Kindle

>>160823
truth

>>160789
I'm not kidding. I'd like a Kindle but I'm a student and I can't afford the money. Nor can I afford to ship every book I want to my tiny fucking outback Australian town. So I read PDFs on my computer. I read about 20 books a year this way.

Because it is expensive and not nearly as cozy or rewarding as an actual book.

Plus, it makes you look like a faggot.

I'm waiting until the screen stops being so ugly to look at. Or until you can upload files directly into your skull.

Whichever one comes first, really.

>>160851
nice lol
ya I'm a student too in a similar situation but i was lucky enough to get a sony reader this christmas. it really is worth the money and pays for itself really fast. also its extremly convenient for getting books that otherwise are a bitch to find.

>>159209

You'd think they'd realize by now that DRM just pisses consumers off. Me, I'll stick with my paper books: I don't have to worry about the publisher arbitrarily taking them away, and they're not near as fragile as an ebook reader.

And the funny thing is, why are they so afraid of piracy? People have been reading books for free for a long time: it's called your local library.

I don't want the battery to run out in the middle of the good part. :(

>>160908
mm yeah. second.

Because you like supporting your local book store? (Assuming you have one)

fuck you apple and your internet marketing. gtfo my /lit/

>>160150

>> There are good reasons to enjoy both of these mediums. Neither is going anywhere anytime soon.

This is true. I prefer hardcopy, but my uncle swears by his Kindle for traveling with.

>>159145
Reading on my ebook lah dee da de--

hey where'd my book go? GODDAMN IT AMAZON.

Pirating music is fine because musicians who are popular don't need anymore fucking money and musicians who aren't popular have hardly ever made any money off of record sales.

Books, on the other hand, are author's bread and butter. They don't make money through any other vehicles, unless they happen to teach...

in which case they publish textbooks and are assholes.

>>161268
>Implying the battery on the Kindle 2 doesn't last 2 weeks and you can't charge it up at any time during that point until it goes completely dead.

>>161397
this, so much

>>161397
It isn't like there are millions of people out there pirating books. People who are intelligent and read books make money being intelligent and buy books.

>>161689

not yet, but if this shit becomes big, it might be that way in 10 years or so.


also

>People who are intelligent and read books make money being intelligent and buy books.

wat.

Because books smell awesome, OP. Can you get that freshly printed ink scent from a kindle? Hmm?