autogynephilia is retarded

>>1025359 (OP)
do the men you fantasize having sex with look like you?

autogynephillia is gay

What kind of real-life intimate sexual and romantic relationship do you want? Picture the most ideal one.

>>1025402
>>1025410

Okay maybe you find the concept daft. I don't know how else to explain it. I just know I'm aroused by thinking of myself as a woman, however it is labeled.

>>1025406

Not at all, they are very attractive, rather muscular...basically everything Im not.

I think you're homosexed

>>1025359 (OP)
There are doctors who can help you with this. Doctors with masks and sharp, pointy metal things.

Sorry, but the only way that you could still be straight while saying you only fantasize about guys fucking you, is if you were a girl.

Have you considered you might be homosexual or bisexual? Have you tried those fantasies with your "male body", and do they still 'work', or is the female body essential to the experience? Have you given serious thought to if you could be attracted to some men in real life, but perhaps have some mental blocks?

Have you considered you might be transgender? Would you rather be a girl or a boy? Have you thought about being female outside of sexual fantasies? Why do you like being feminine so much? Taking some time to carefully consider these two possibilities would be helpful.

Have you had sexual experiences with women before? Have these fantasies disrupted the experience for you? If not, how do you imagine you will be able to have sex with a woman? Do you think it's not a big enough deal to ever be a problem? How sexually attracted are you to females on a normal basis?

When did these fantasies start in your lifetime? Is there perhaps some initial experience or feelings that started it?

I'm the exact same way, exactly. I can't imagine any therapist would be able to figure this dumb shit out, I'd be too embarrassed to talk about some perverted shit anyways. I have to basically make stuff up when I talk about what gets me off, I wish I could just fap to boobs or asians like everyone else. I feel like I can't call myself gay or trans because I'm just some weird fake nobody.

well whatever >shit feels

>>1025558

Being female is definitely essential to the experience. I have tried thinking of myself as a man, just to see, but it didn't work at all, I was repulsed and didn't like it. Yes I did give it thought but mostly I just never check out men in real life ever.

I have considered if I'm trans but the fact I find it sexually arousing to be a girl worries me (some say you're not really trans then). But yes I would rather be a girl. And yes I have thought of being female outside of sex. But it's hard to say that means anything, if every time I fantasize it's always as a woman.

>>1025359 (OP)
I think you are bisexual.

femdom? pegging?

>>1025558
I've always had fantasies of being a girl. When I first started masturbating it was mostly just about being and living as a girl. Soon the idea of being attracted to guys aroused me. I'd often think of myself as being attracted to guys against my will and that idea really turned me on. Eventually it got more and more sexual though my fantasies aren't always really sexual. The idea of being attracted to guys when I don't want to still turns me on, but there's also not as much of an emphasis on that as there was. So it's really confusing.

>>1025711
Looks like you're an autogynophile, like every MtF on this board.


Start shaving and buy some dresses.

>>1025669
>Being female is definitely essential to the experience. I have tried thinking of myself as a man, just to see, but it didn't work at all, I was repulsed and didn't like it.
How about fantasizing yourself as a woman, having sex with a woman and not a man?

>Yes I did give it thought but mostly I just never check out men in real life ever.
How about if you were a girl in real life, would do feel more open to do it then? Also, how often do you check out women normally, and are interested in having sex with them?

>I have considered if I'm trans but the fact I find it sexually arousing to be a girl worries me (some say you're not really trans then).
That's bullshit actually. So forget about that.

>But yes I would rather be a girl. And yes I have thought of being female outside of sex. But it's hard to say that means anything, if every time I fantasize it's always as a woman.
Women also see themselves as a women during sexual fantasies. So if you were a girl, would it be weird any more? What you're mixing up here is your sexuality and your gender, and letting your sexual libido trip up your -possible- gender issues. For now what's best is for you to think more seriously about how you really feel about wanting to be a girl, and don't bring any of the sexual fantasy stuff into it. Think about your your body, possible gender dysphoria, your future as a man or woman, and so on. I suggest doing some more research on it and talking to a therapist.

http://genderal.org/index.php/Useful_Links
http://pastebin.com/MLKYbtAD

>>1025359 (OP)
>being with men feels feminine and thus turns me on because of that
Sounds like the average person in the mtf generals.

>>1025449
That's how I am I think.

Are you physically attracted to the men, or just as a fetish? Like are you aroused by their physical form, ie the sight of their bodies, or just the concept of having sex with them?

I'm sexually attracted to them as a fetish but I'm not physically attracted to them in the slightest. I strongly prefer female bodies.

>>1025711

You sound pretty confused and stressed out about simple desires. Maybe you're doing a lot of repression and denial. You should relax and try and see what you really want to do. If you want it, you want it, nothing much you can do to deny it.

>>1025732

you're one of those filthy untru autogyns too aren't you?
boo! hiss!

>>1025759

Fantasizing about having sex with women really doesn't do much for me either. Practically nothing. It sounds so strange, when I call myself straight and say that. But I mostly get off on thinking of myself as a woman, and being with guys.

Even if I were a girl I'm not sure I'd want to check out guys because I feel like in real life I'm not into them. Maybe I'd be more open but I don't know. I do check out women a lot, but I never really think about having sex with them. It sounds weird, but I mostly just check them out and fantasize me being like them. It's an odd mix of envy and arousal, but I never find myself thinking "I'd have sex with her".

I just don't know about my gender feelings. I do want to be a girl, but at the same time I feel like it's not this ridiculous need. I don't feel like a woman trapped in a man's body, so to speak.

OP's basically writing out every one of my thoughts, it's kind of scary.

if you sample hormones for a bit and the fantasies go away, you're definitely agp

1) Do you want to have sex with a man, or a woman

2) Do you want to be a man, or a woman

>>1025812
>I don't feel like a woman trapped in a man's body, so to speak.

that's sort of a talk show cliche. and you don't need to be suicidal. But experiencing dysphoria is pretty important. How do you feel about your masculine features? And did you read that pastebin?

>>1025887

I did look at the pastebin. I've seen the quiz before. But I'm not sure if the answers really reveal much. If people say it they might say "yep definitely trans" but I don't think it's that simple. I think a lot of people who aren't trans, may come across as that when answering the questions

just pick something and go with it for a while and see how much you like it

>>1025887

>>1025887

When it comes to my masculine features. I notice that I don't want to gain muscle. Like I've had jobs where I have to lift a lot and was concerned that I'd gain muscle. I'd want to feel as much of a girl as possible.

And I hope this isn't too graphic. But when I masturbate, it's always with something over my penis, like boxers or something. I kind of just rub it over. I never just grab it with my hand. I don't know if that means anything

>>1025916
I've told people in the generals before to not say "OH YEAH 100% trans, go get your hormones now!" after seeing the persons answers to those questions and I they were all so mad at me lol

>>1026061

Jesus christ, you really are exactly like me. That's exactly what I do. I try to do it 'normally' with holding it and stuff but it feels shitty.
I'm just as confused as you are though.

>>1025711
> I'd want to feel as much of a girl as possible.
> but I mostly just fantasize me being like them
> I do want to be a girl
> I would rather be a girl. And yes I have thought of being female outside of sex.

I'm not saying you're trans, but these things might be worth talking to a professional about.

>>1026061
>>1026124
haha oh wow when i just can't take it anymore and need to satisfy the urge i have to do it with a shirt over it or something

I have considered that maybe I'm just bi/gay, and thinking about being a woman just helps to ease the guilt I may feel. But I don't think so. I have to think of myself as a chick. So I don't know what to think. Really it feels like the situation and the emotions is what arouses me and not just the physical stuff.

>>1026197

just say you're trans and be done with it

>>1025359 (OP)

I know that feel bro. I love women, yet I want to play with my own set of tits while being strapon fucked by them. I'm also open to relationships with mtf's. /shrug

don't know what that makes me. a label wouldn't change anything I suppose.

>>1026061
Yeah I never liked masturbating by jacking off either, I tried it a few times and it just felt weird. I just like hum/grind on my pillow or bunched up blankets. Sometimes I lay on my back and like pretend my pillow is a hot guy on top fucking me in my vagina, the orgasms feel soooo good.

>>1025759

But separating the sexual stuff and the gender feelings...how would the sexual stuff be defined?

I fantasize about being a woman, having sex with men but I'm not physically attracted to men. It's more just the emotions.

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Let's make things less complicated here.

>says he's a straight male
>wants to be and look like a girl
>solely fantasizes about having sex with and falling in love with men
>has no sexual attraction to women
>"straight male"

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>>1028557
thanks /v/

>>1025359 (OP)
The second one, called behavioral autogynephilia (being turned on by having sex/being admired by guys as a woman). Anything else said in this thread is wrong, and since you know you're an autogynephile, I hope you don't seriously consider what they're saying.

>>1029450

hey I ain't /v/

>>1029503

The op said other things that would cast doubt on him being solely "AGP".

>>1029503
>>1025359 (OP)
That being said, it's your identity, and it's your life. From what I've read in this thread, your sexuality consists almost exclusively of having sex with men as a woman. That sounds like pretty intense autogynephilia; transition is not a bad option here (and no, having autogynephilia does NOT disqualify you, contrary to what idiots try to say here, and it doesn't make you "not really trans"). You will be going into it with much more insight than other (autogynephilic) MtFs who have felt similarly, the difference being that they just wrote themselves off as being "women trapped in men's bodies"

>>1029549
OP himself says he's AGP. He says his fantasies are exclusively about being a woman or having sex with men as a woman. He says he doesn't find guys attractive otherwise. He says he wants to be a girl but doesn't feel like a woman trapped in a man's body. This is textbook AGP. The fact that he's gender dysphoric and wants to be more like a girl are common outgrowths of AGP. Many transsexuals ARE AGP, so you can't just say that because he's feeling trans, he can't be AGP.

you're obviously agp but that doesn't mean you can't be attracted to men or have fulfilling relationships with them, too. bisexuality exists. agp is kind of a different axis of your sexuality from that, idk

>>1029575

hi AGP anon

many transsexuals don't feel like "a woman trapped in a man's body" because that's just a shitty meme at this point

> The fact that he's gender dysphoric and wants to be more like a girl are common outgrowths of AGP.
How do you know those are "outgrowths" of AGP and not the other way around

>>1029559
>and no, having autogynephilia does NOT disqualify you, contrary to what idiots try to say here, and it doesn't make you "not really trans"
this. if you have a lot of dysphoria and transition provides some degree of relief, i say it's worth it. and for agps i think their reasoning is a lot more complicated than "i want to transition because it makes me all hot and bothered."

>>1029627
>How do you know those are "outgrowths" of AGP and not the other way around
because that's what op implied? i have often wondered about this myself though. when we think of the classic agp it's someone who transitioned later in life after years of crossdressing and living as a straight man. but there are also much younger ones for whom that's always been the primary dimension of their sexuality and had cross gender behavior even before that. i think like anything, with agp there are degrees of intensity. the stronger it is the more likely you're just different from most males in other ways, socially physically etc. and will feel dysphoria. it's not always so clear cut. but it doesn't help dispel any frustration or confusion people have when others say "agp doesn't exist! you must be trans!"

>>1029690
>"agp doesn't exist! you must be trans!"

so agpers aren't trans?

>>1029575

So wait, a normal cis person can become gender dysphoric if they just fap to it long enough? That sounds like just a fetish. Isn't that completely different than someone who has it from birth from neurological traits, ie. an actual transsexual?

>>1026061
You are a transexual.

I swear, you people come to 4chan all the time and it's so obvious. Fuck this transphobic society.

this might help (scroll down for summary)
http://www.oocities.org/transsexual_analysis/transsexual11.html

>>1025359 (OP)

No such thing as autogynephilia. Plenty of cisgender people find themselves sexy.

>>1029742
No. AGP is common among females. Most cis women have it. Men do not have AGP. If you have AGP, it means you're actually a woman.

>>1029627
Because he says he doesn't feel feminine in any other ways, and many AGP were not feminine in their childhood either.
>inb4 hurr durr gender is a social construct

This guy >>1025856 alludes to the observations that people with AGP lose their AGP and thus interest in being a woman when they lose or redirect their sex drive (i.e., get on hormones, get into a relationship with a woman, etc.). Thus, implying the gender dysphoria and desire to be a woman are rooted in AGP.

I think there is still plenty of research that could be done on whether AGP causes transsexualism. It's scarce, but based on what I've read, I'm entirely convinced of this causation and have faith that it will be further validated.

>>1029690
Very good points.

>>1029730
That poster is saying that's what a lot of people, especially MtFs, say when they encounter AGP.

>>1029742
Why is that so hard to believe? You don't think that if your sexual fantasies only revolved around the idea of yourself as a woman, having sex with men as a woman, etc., that wouldn't fuck with your identity? And yes, it is different from someone who is more or less born more feminine in the brain (there are brain studies comparing the two types of MtF transsexuals, only one type is more "female-leaning" in gendered brain regions)

>>1029967
>And yes, it is different from someone who is more or less born more feminine in the brain (there are brain studies comparing the two types of MtF transsexuals, only one type is more "female-leaning" in gendered brain regions)

So they're not real transsexuals

>>1029967
>Because he says he doesn't feel feminine in any other ways
Well he also said he'd rather be a girl

>It's scarce but I'm entirely convinced of this causation and have faith that it will be further validated.
Sounds like you're jumping the gun a bit, aren't you?

>>1029985
What the fuck is a real transsexual? You're transsexual if you have a strong desire to become a woman and strong discomfort with being a dude.

>>1030116

if it's just learned behaviour from masturbation that can go away by having sex with a girl then those desires are fake

What annoys me is that "autogynephilic men" on this board almost always come out and say that they want to be women not just in the bedroom, whether by Freudian slip or just plain saying it, yet they rationalize the existence of "autogynephilia" because they think being a happy transwoman is so out-of-reach and undesirable, they relegate their gender dysphoria to some superficial fetish out of blatant denial.

Meanwhile "autogynephilia" exists at least superficially in most women and close to 30% of women when rigorously tested. It's a bunk diagnosis created by a homophobic man (Blanchard) to simultaneously delegitimize homosexuality and transsexuality by conflating them and turning them both into symptoms of extreme and damaging paraphilic fetishes.

Blanchard openly believes that homosexuality should have never been taken out of the DSM, and that bisexual or lesbian transsexuals should only be treated if they admit that they're sick fetishists who mutilate themselves to get off.

>>1029967
>It's scarce, but based on what I've read, I'm entirely convinced of this causation and have faith that it will be further validated.
>zero solid evidence, BUT IT MUST BE TRUE

Wow, just like Blanchard. How uncanny.

Where are the autoandrophilic FtMs in all of this? MtFs aren't the only transsexuals in existence, you know.

>>1030296
>anyone caring about FTMs
>ever

>>1029967
>I think there is still plenty of research that could be done on whether AGP causes transsexualism. It's scarce, but based on what I've read, I'm entirely convinced of this causation and have faith that it will be further validated.
Everything wrong with science in one sentence.

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>>1030264
this guy again

>>1030313
lol this.

People only care about MtFs so it makes sense that social conservatives would hyperfocus on making them out to be sick fetishists whilst totally ignoring FtMs.

In fact, Blanchard outright stated that autoandrophilia exists based on zero official testing, and as more of a flippant joke to make fun of people who called him sexist for literally ignoring the entire other half of transsexuality to serve his dubious psychological hypotheses.

>>1030331
Oh, you mean facts? Yeah those are nice sometimes.

>>1030296

blanchard says they don't exist because reasons

>>1029798

Some of this is good stuff. I liked this bit about trying to categorize transsexuals (concerning Blanchard "types"):

>The age range of transition ranges from early teens to over 60 years of age.
>Transsexuals range from the extremely feminine to clearly masculine, both physically and mentally.
>Some transsexuals report having strong feminine interests as young children (eg. playing with dolls, playing house) while others engage in either boys' or gender neutral play.
>Some transsexuals report high levels of harassment and marginalization at school while others were popular or enjoyed relatively uneventful school years.
>Prior to transition, their sexuality can be heterosexual (gynephilic), homosexual (androphilic), bisexual or asexual.
>Some transsexuals were forced to dress or live as girls in childhood, or had parents who wished for an other-sex child. Others were, and did, not.
>Some were abused in other ways - be it emotionally, verbally, physically or sexually, or any combination of these. Others had normal, even idyllic, childhoods.
>Some are talkative and social while others are loners; some are creative and erratic, others are practical and solid; some are technically adept, others are not; some are sporty, some are bookish ...

>>1030349
Some transsexuals aren't even MtF! Can you believe that?

>>1030349
>Some were really tall, and had dark hair
>Some were really short, and were blonde
>Some were red
>Some were blue
>etc.

http://home.netcom.com/~docx2/AGF.htm

Autogynephilia, an erotic interest in the thought or image of oneself as a woman, has been described as a sexual interest of some male-to-female transsexuals (MTFs); the term has not been applied to natal women. To test the possibility that natal women also experience autogynephilia, an Autogynephilia Scale for Women (ASW) was created from items used to categorize MTFs as autogynephilic in other studies. A questionnaire which included the ASW was distributed to a sample of 51 professional women employed at an urban hospital, 29 completed questionnaires were returned for analysis.

By the common definition of ever having erotic arousal to the thought or image of oneself as a woman, 93% of the respondents would be classified as autogynephilic. Using a more rigorous definition of “frequent” arousal to multiple items, 28% would be classified as autogynephilic. The implications of these findings are discussed concerning the sexuality of women and the meaning of autogynephilia for MTFs.

>>1030356
>>1030368

Well yeah the point is that going on about "homosexual types" or "autogynephiles" or "trutrans" is ridiculous because there's so much variation

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This thread again...

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>>1030381
This. It causes pointless division for division's sake. It's all motivated by private agendas, politics, and egos that have nothing to do with our neurology, nor our medical treatment.

It's fucked up, and people have to be above it. They need to take the sole responsibility for their mental and physical well-being that was thrust upon them due to the duplicitous mental health systems and backwards social status quo of many nations in the world, and educate themselves thoroughly on the matter. There is an entire history's worth of people attempting to erase people like us for various reasons. This is no different. It's that or be used and tossed out like yesterday's garbage for a footnote in someone's study, or a stepping stone for some self-righteous activist to get into politics.

Good luck.

>>1029967
>that people with AGP lose their AGP and thus interest in being a woman when they lose or redirect their sex drive

I'm agp and been on hormones for a few years and my desire to be a woman has not dulled if anything it's gotten stronger. I just don't get turned on by thinking about becoming a woman anymore which is great because it was really annoying, now I get turned on by men but still turned on my women so I guess i'm bisexual. I wasn't very masculine before transition but I wasn't a effeminate faggot either, now i'm very feminine more so then my sister and it comes naturally to me and makes me feel happy.

>>1030135
It doesn't go away by having sex with a girl, I really wish it would have but it doesn't.

>>1030569
It depends on how strongly established your female identity is, which it probably is very strong. It seems like you're adapting to being female pretty well. I'm glad :)

>>1030577
Depends again on how strong your AGP is. It's in competition with your attraction to women

OP here.

I didnt really mean this to turn into a huge argument on AGP. I kinda just thought that's what I was. I'm just more concerned about my sexuality and things like that.

>>1029559

Yeah I fantasize about having sex with men, as a woman, because it makes me feel more feminine, if that makes sense. The idea of it just turns me on and is satisfying. Some people are saying "You might be gay" but the thought of being with a man, AS a man is one I get no pleasure at all from, as I said it almost repulses me to think about it.

In real life I find myself checking out girls and not guys. I do think I have autogynephilia though, because I feel like it describes me perfectly despite its controversy. Im turned on not just by thinking of myself as a woman, but also just living as one. Sex isn't necessarily involved and even when I'm done masturbating the feeling is still kind of there, to be a girl.

>>1030569

i read someone saying, they thought men with AGP could pretty easily condition themselves to be attracted to men. obviously thats a controversial statement but what do you think?

>>1030601
You're smart, and you have good insight. It most definitely sounds like you have autogynephilia and that what you feel for men is a result of autogynephilia (i.e., wanting to be a woman with guys). The question is, what do you do with that? How much is the idea of staying male/wanting to be female impairing your life? Like I said, transition should certainly be on the table, if not now, then in the future. Don't disqualify that possibility just because you're an autogynephile (the majority of MtFs are autogynephilic anyway).

>>1030609
It happens over time usually; as a result of actually living as a woman or having sexual fantasies as a woman, they move onto having sex with men as a woman.

>>1030577
>>1030642
>still peddling blanchard's bullshit

>>1030609
Idk I mean I don't just pop a boner if I see a guy unless he's really attractive and yet if I see a girl with a nice ass or nice boobs I get really aroused. For men I get really turned on more by physical contact with them like if he holds me in his arms and kisses me it turns me on a lot but just visually I don't usually get aroused unless he's very attractive and has a sexy voice or something.

>>1030642

If you asked me now, if I'd want to be a girl, I'd say yes. But what worries me is that most of this desire is sexually-based. I'm not sure though, because the idea of being a girl also seems satisfying in general. But that could just be because my sexually has been feeling that way for so long. It feels like much more than just a fetish; it might be definitive of my sexuality. I don't think I've ever masturbated without thinking of myself as a woman. So of course that will have some effect on how I see myself.

Its all just really confusing.

>>1030642
>You're smart, and you have good insight.
What a con-man.

if you always think of yourself as a woman...that seems like what most women do anyway, right? so i dont see why you shouldn't think you''re trans or consider the possibility

>>1030694
>But what worries me is that most of this desire is sexually-based.

How much non-sexual desire is there?

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>>1030642

>>1030707

There's definitely some but I don't know how much

And here's something else that worries me: my fantasies are usually me being a more submissive or girly woman. Not in an extreme way, but like the guy is an alpha male stud kind who takes the lead. The fact that it's pretty much always like this kind of concerns me, what does it say about me?

>>1032145

it means you have a normal female sexuality

>>1032145
see >>1032172
That's what all straight/bi women want. Even the angriest feminist is just longing for a big, musclebound stud to pin her to the ground and pound her into submission. Or to force her to her knees and shove his throbbing manhood into her mouth.

>>1032266
Go on...

>>1032394
I can't, writing that made me too horny. Just go read 50 shades of grey or something. There's a reason it's so popular with women, despite the shitty writing.

>>1032145
It means you're enacting what you think straight women want, which is an alpha male. Which is true.

>>1032266

I never think of it being that rough. I'm still submissive but not in that kind of way, if that makes sense.

>>1032774
You're not into domination, you just want him to do all the work.

>>1032774
>implying that was rough
that's the tame, consensual shit. I didn't tell you about the rape fantasies.

>>1032792

Not necessarily, I'm just not into really crude domination and stuff like that. My fantasies are me being submissive, sometimes it's he's being dominant and taking control, other times it's more romantic. Maybe I do think of it like that but "pound into submission" just sounds strong

>>1032910
The idea of being held down and not having the ability to stop a man from taking you doesn't make you wet? You don't get turned on by the idea of being just used as nothing more than a living sex toy?

i have a hard time understanding having sex with men in your fantasies but still not being attracted to them

>>1032172

how can you have normal female sexuality if you're not female?

>>1034233
>how can you have normal female sexuality if you're not female?

cause trans

>>1034233
because you are female mentally.

>>1025359 (OP)
I went through this 100% exactly about a year ago

I now identify as trans and bisexual.

Autogynephilia is largely a myth. Probably you are turned on by the idea of having sex as a girl, because your brain is wired to perceive a female body structure. This doesn't manifest itself (yet) except through your sexual fantasies, where it is primarily a cause of confusion for you.

>>1037968
>Autogynephilia is largely a myth.
I think is isn't the case, it is a fairly popular fetish, including one of the fetishes I have. There is a ton of erotic fiction and other things for this fetish, including having tg threads on /d/ regularly.

I doubt all the guys that read that stuff are secretly trans.

before I figured I was a fag I basically exclusively masturbated to fantasies of being a girl and being fucked by guys. Also no attraction to girls in day to day life.

The process of masturbation for me (and many others I'm sure) goes:

fapping to being fucked as a girl > being fucked by futa > being fucked by traps > being fucked by twinks > oh shit > all the rest

Good luck!

>>1037968

Pretty much. and the keyword is "yet", they usually always tumble down the trans hole eventually just like >>1030264 said. They pretty much say everything a transgender says except with a "but I fap to it sometimes too so it's not real" added on, like silly bitches.

have you started transition yet?

>>1030264
I don't know what threads you've been reading, but it seems most men here that say they have autogynephilia, just accept it as a fetish, and leave it at that.

There are some threads where it leads some guys to gender confusion, but I wouldn't think that is the majority.

>>1038065
Different anon, but I'm really close to "breaking" (even though that's a terrible word to use) and deciding to transition. Like I just have other hangups that I'm working through with my therapist still, like how to deal with my family and things like that.

>>1039042
One thing I realized was that HRT would dramatically change the way I experience masturbation. Therefore it wouldn't really increase my satisfaction with getting off like that.

>>1039129

Is that a pro or a con?

>>1039141
To me that's a con, for me the only reason to transition would be to feed this fetish. But it will be counter-productive.

also is it weird if i fantasize about really handsome celebrities like channing tatum. it sounds so stereotypical but i can't really help it.

>>1025359 (OP)
Weird question for OP/any other autogynphiles. How much porn do you watch? How much do you enjoy it?

>>1039406
I wouldn't say that autogynephilia is my only sexual interest though, and nowadays it is not my primary interest, so take what I say with that in mind.
I would say I watch maybe 30mins to 1hr of porn a week. But for the AGP fetish I usually read fiction, or find pictures on /d/.

>>1039406

I usually go at it once every 1-2 days and look at a bit. I stick to images and sometimes stories. Porn videos are too much...really silly and fake. Just my opinion though

>>1039406

I watch a bit but not much. I'm more into stories and captions. When I watch porn I naturally imagine I'm the chick.

>>1039414
>>1039439
See, I have a theory that autogynephilia has developed as a result of pornography. Pre-video straight men never really saw another man having sex. Their primary sexual stimuli was the women they had sex with. But with porn so easily accessible thanks to technology, a lot of men now have their primary sexual stimuli not as women they have sex with, but women having sex with other men. I think this, in some men, opens them up to the idea of sex involving other men and can fuel autogynephilia.

I say all this as an autogynephile myself, who never watched porn as a teenager and only ever thought about having sex with women, but then starting watching porn as an adult and got more into autogynephile. Correlation is not causation, I know, but I think I might be onto something.

>>1039480

I totally disagree and I'm an AGP myself. I''ve been since as long as I can remember and I never looked at porn as a teen.

>>1039480

when someone is an autogynephile it means they usually only ever think of themselves as woman during fantasy. its not something they do occasionally. thats why many AGPs feels like its much more than just a fetish and why they seriously consider transitioning

>>1039560

This. I was doing it before I ever looked at porn.

>>1039612
>>1039560
Me too anon, this was actually the first thing I thought off when I started masturbating as a teenager.

>>1039571

Well is it more than a fetish? It seems everyone says something different and I doubt OP or anybody else will get a clear answer any time soon.

>>1039622

Some people consider autogynephilia a sexuality in itself.

>>1039571
Well the problem is that the line between AGP and trans isn't exactly totally understood. If it's the only thing you ever think of, then I would think you're gay, bisexual, or trans, but I could be wrong. Further, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think that AGPs who also sometimes fantasize non-AGP sex are any less AGP than those who don't.

>>1039617

Same here. I even had thoughts about it before I started masturbating, when I was really little. It wasn't really sexual back then, but I remember being fascinated by the concept of being a girl.

>>1039643

I would. Some people find it almost impossible to orgasm unless they think of themselves as women. That's serious AGP.

>>1039653
Some people find it impossible to orgasm unless they're tied up. Doesn't make the people who are into bondage but can get off without it any less into it.

>>1039129
If you're worried about how HRT will influence masturbation, you may want to check out this thread >>1020338 →

>>1039480
You're so incredibly full of shit. You've pulled a theory out of your ass that makes a rather extreme claim about a large group of people based on nothing but your own experience.

>>1039645
That's called being trans. All you self diagnosed AGPs need to be honest with yourselves and get on the titty skittles.

OP, I consider myself gay and I'm 100% the same as you. I'm not sure what your deal is since you consider yourself hetero, but in my case I just consider it a fetish.

>>1039699
another proto-hon surfaces.

>>1039678
Well of course I did. That's how science works. You make a claim based on whatever evidence you have to work with, and then you try to prove it wrong.

Clearly, the responses have shown that this is far from the only factor, if a factor at all (like I said, correlation isn't causation). What this thread has shown me, however, is that we can't really talk about causes behind AGP until we define just what exactly AGP is.

So let me ask this: of those of you who identify as AGP, how many of you fantasize only exclusively about AGP sex?

>>1025359 (OP)
I'm with you here. I have a pretty big fantasy of being a woman and having sex with a man. But don't like the idea of man-man. Nor do I find men attractive, just the thought of being female.

Could be some crazy fetish. I don't know.

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>is literally exactly the same as everyone's experiences in this thread
>fantasies and attractions and methods of masturbation etc... is exactly the same
>don't really have obvious transgender red flags as a kid
>can't figure out if I'm straight gay bi asexual male female cis or trans
>feel I can't be with women or men as a male, but transitioning would be a huge mistake
>feel I want to actually be a girl a lot but can't really trust it
>maybe if I never masturbated as a kid I would be normal
>worried transitioning would be huge mistake and I'm not actually transsexual and all my non-sexual dysphoria is subconsciously just sexual fetish

This shit has been driving me crazy for most of my life now. Every time I feel like I've figured it out, something comes up and throws me in doubt again. I know nobody could ever give me any answers so I'm just going to be lost in limbo forever, unless I somehow impossibly figure myself out.

>>1039699
I consider myself bi, and have this fetish as well, but for me I actually get off to the idea of having sex with women as a man, and having sex with men as a man. For AGP, I only fantasize about being a girl.

>>1039737
>worried transitioning would be huge mistake and I'm not actually transsexual and all my non-sexual dysphoria is subconsciously just sexual fetish
I always wondered about this, wouldn't reducing your libido get rid of your feelings if it were just sexual for example?

>>1039737

Holy shit, aside from your second to last greentext this describes me exactly. I'm feeling all these same emotions and it's also really confusing (I'm OP). I wish I could just say it's really not a big deal but I feel like I have no idea what to do when it comes to my sexuality/identity.

>>1039714
>of those of you who identify as AGP, how many of you fantasize only exclusively about AGP sex?
I don't, at one point is was my primary sexual outlet, but now it is 3rd after fantasizing about having sex with men, and 2nd fantasizing about having sex with women. I a lot more open about my sexuality these days, for a long time I was afraid of being gay.

>>1039714

I've never masturbated or been able to masturbate without imagining myself as a girl. I've tried other ways but they never worked, mentally or, well, physically.

I actually thought it was a normal fantasy all guys fapped to at first for some reason. I was an idiot.

>>1039746

many autogynephiles who transition actually find it a relief. they no longer feel this intense, insatiable urge to be a woman because they are one. many of them feel more comfortable and at peace. sometimes i hear that they actually develop an attraction for men as their main sexuality but i don't know how widespread that is

>>1039665
I think the problem is that those people are trans, and I'm not, I would certainly worry that I wouldn't have orgasms as good as the ones I get now. I'm not trans, but I'm not obsessed with being male either, just don't think my body would work the same way as theirs.

>>1039759
>I actually thought it was a normal fantasy all guys fapped to at first for some reason. I was an idiot.

You know, has anyone ever really asked: do all guys who are attracted to women have this fantasy? Maybe it's something everyone does but no one talks about out of embarassment, and it's just particularly strong in some guys?

>>1039480
No. Like, completely no. As other AGP guys have said, signs of AGP start way earlier than porn (pretending to be a girl as a child, etc.). Furthermore, the majority of straight guys watch porn and turn out fine. So you have to have something else that's interacting with the porn in some men to produce AGP. Which you haven't said, cuz it didn't exist, because porn has nothing to do with it.

>>1039759
This. I know it's probably not "normal". I just watch lesbian most of the time nowadays.

Fucking love it.

Not one for hetero porn at all.

>>1039643
>>1039653
AGP is most definitely on a continuum from small-time fetish to intense, literally need it for any sexual pleasure (basically, it's one's sexual orientation). The further along the spectrum, the more likely you'll develop gender dysphoria, become trans, etc. because it has a bigger influence on your sexuality and your identity.

>>1039737
>>1039747
If it's affecting you this much, and has been doing so for most of your life, I would be willing to bet money that you're trans. Please at least go see a gender therapist. They will help you figure yourself out. Maybe you're trans, and you can start transitioning. Maybe you're not, and you can put these feelings to rest. Either way, you need to see a gender therapist to figure it out.

>>1039764
Nice post. Also, you're right, a lot of them do begin to identify more as bi or even straight once they've completely immersed themselves into their female identity.

>>1039746

Yes I tried that, a few years ago I once stopped fapping for a month and my libido completely died. And my "real" dysphoria also totally exploded in turn. It sort of convinced me I really was trans because I was finally able to remove the sexual aspect out of the equation and the non-sexual feelings didn't go away.

but how do I know for sure that the fetish isn't still controlling everything behind the scenes? What if I really do only have them because my fetish has taken over my life? Goddamn I sound paranoid. I've started to feel really guilty over my sexuality again, like I was when I was a kid. I feel like me calling myself trans is just making a mockery of real ones, I don't want to do that.

>>1039764

I think one of the reasons for transitioning is just relief from this shit. If I really was a girl then my sexuality would make sense and fit. But if I'm not really a girl or trans then there's nothing I can really do...
the sexuality "change" is somewhat common for MTFs in general, I believe.

>>1039783
How do you know you aren't trans?

>>1039817

How could I possibly tell a therapist any of this. They'd just call me a pervert, obviously that's what I am. It's not like anybody can say for sure if I'm really trans or not...

My quick-and-shitty trans test is this: If you contracted HIV and could never have sex or sexual contact again, would you still want to be the opposite sex?

>>1039834
A therapist isn't going to judge you. It's their job to listen to whatever problems you have, and help you deal with them. I can guarantee you that a gender therapist will have heard all this AGP stuff before. You are the only person that can say whether you are trans or not, but a therapist can be very helpful in figuring that out. Just do it. You will not regret it.

>>1039831
Because I don't have gender dysphoria.

>>1039827
When you stop fapping, your sex drive stays high because there's no release. Thus, your gender dysphoria is high, and your feelings for being trans are high. If you had let yourself fap, you would find those feelings would probably be reduced.

Autogynephiles who are unsure about transitioning shouldn't take the fact that it's sexual and that they aren't really "women trapped in men's bodies" as signs they aren't "really trans." It's about how shitty your life will be as a male versus a female. Cost, social and financial. Benefits, sexually and identity-wise. Being severely gender dysphoric is best treated by transition, autogynephile or not

>>1039827
>If I really was a girl then my sexuality would make sense and fit.

That's exactly how I feel.

>>1039850

Not him but I have similar concerns. I talked to a "normal" therapist about my gender feelings but NOT about the sexual stuff. I'm not sure a therapist would really understand to be honest.

A gender therapist probably would but those are kind of tough to find. Plus I'm only 19 so I'd have to hide it from my parents. It's tough when not even normal therapists understand, I feel like only researches who study transsexualism would.

>>1039850
The problem with gender therapists is that some of them, maybe a majority of them, renounce the AGP theory entirely. They may try to shoehorn you into the stereotypical trans narrative. If you know you wanna transition and the therapy is just a dance to get it, it shouldn't matter in the end. But if you really want help, and they don't understand or refuse to meet you on the AGP bit and try to steer you on another path, I could foresee some issues.

>>1039834
>worried about being called a pervert

Trust me, I'm into way more fucked up shit than this, and I'm not alone. AGP is pretty tame, relatively speaking.

>>1039857
Also I'd like to say it's almost scary how much I relate to your posts. It's like your typing exactly how I feel about these things, right down to the paranoia and guilt and feeling like it trivializes actually trans people

>>1039827
>mfw determined to believe it is a fetish no matter what anyone says

You're probably trans, which has nothing to do with your sexual orientation, no matter what the AGP crowd says with their dubious and discredited nonsense. Get over it and stop floundering over yourself. Get a decent therapist as well, because you should be talking to them, not us.

>>1039877

yeah but a therapist might conclude its just a fetish. its not so much being called a pervert. but admitting your AGP they might just conclude its not a huge deal

>>1039872
Yeah, in a lot of ways, I don't trust therapists for precisely this reason. They almost know too much. They know so much that they're bound to have opinions, have personal biases on what's what, despite not being in any of these situations themselves.

>>1039737

>Swear to God you're me. It comes in waves, and every time I try to imagine me as a woman it's mostly "me in a dress" because I can't get past who I am at the moment despite hating being a guy.

>>1039903
Why can't a fetish be a huge deal? If it's causing you significant stress and discomfort, it's a huge deal, no matter if it's a fetish, sexuality, or just some weird dream you occasionally have.

>>1039903
>implying "AGP" is an applicable label for a type of transwoman
>implying most XX women don't experience "AGP"
>implying this is at all indicative of a "type" of fetish-driven paraphilia and not simply a "type" of woman
>an average one