>Dat TD

someone disarm this faggot before he shoots everyone in the room

But seriously, I'm in favor of gun segregation. Certain ethnic groups prone to violent crime or terrorist sympathies (blacks, muslims, etc.) should not be armed.

I'm a conventional American liberal in all respects but this one. I think it's kind of hypocritical for liberals to advocate social freedoms (gay marriage, marijuana, etc.) and then try to ban guns. I'm against gun control.

>>712688 (OP)

I'm a caucasian homosexual male who is working as a lawyer at a prestigious law firm at Chicago and I'm against the gun control.

I already have dozens of handguns and some semi-automatics.

>>712723
He's an airshit kid anyway.

Also gun control is special stupid, as are the ignorant people who support gun control.

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Why do Americans love their guns so much? Not even the most redneck guys here have guns unless they hunt.

Are you guys compensating for a tiny barrel somewhere else? :p

>>713017

I'm not American, but I've been there, and guns are fun as shit. Just going out and lighting shit up is awesome.

- Canadian who has no guns at home (so sad ;_;)

>>712993

Again, if you look at the distribution of crime in the united states, you will see that certain regions with a high concentration of certain groups are prone to violent crime and those certain groups should be disarmed.

>>713017

>less important spain

Please go away.

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>>713031
Water polo is also fun, and it can't be weaponised.
Can't everyone play water polo?

>>713017
Because we're not barbaric dune coons running around beheading each other. We, unlike other countries, are willing to stand up against our government, and are given the rights to do so, that way we aren't tested on with chemical agents.

That and we use logic and believe in the ability to defend ourselves from threats.

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>>713057
Awww, you think your little .45 is going to defend you from a drone strike?

Such a civilised and intelligent little person you are!

>>713043
>Massive liberal boner in California
>Gun control everywhere
>Crime increase

Just like how Mexico banned firearms, how's that working out for the citizens over there, their authorities are handling the cartel well, eh?

>implying violent crime isn't directly connected to lack of legitimate employment opportunities

>>713071
There are over 300,000,000 people in the U.S.
There are only so little states that try to control firearms. Don't forget the fact that the U.S. military is most likely to side with U.S. citizens before the government, because of families and friends.

>>713080
Gun control only works in tandem with welfare policies.. If crime is the only option for people then they will commit no matter what

>>713080

They banned the guns for everyone. If you banned a select ethnic group from owning firearms and had the ATF actually enforce that and disarm said ethnic group, we'd be better off.

>>713108

>Welfare

Yes, let's provide social aid to people who are not making themselves useful to the economy. Because they are all special snowflakes who deserve the money of people who actually fucking work for a living. That makes perfect sense.

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>>713056

Why not play water polo /with guns/?

>>712688 (OP)
airshit. also, poor trigger discipline. 0/10

>>713115
Yes, because the economy is more valuable than human well being. Capitalist/10

>>713101
Then why don't you let the army handle things?
At least have stricter laws, requiring mental sanity tests or something.

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>>713122
Because it's hard to see in red water

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>>713129

>Implying human well-being is remotely important

Manchild/10

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>>713138

That just makes it easier to feel up inside your opponents speedo without anyone else noticing.

>>713130
The laws are already strict, especially in California.
If you have a mental illness, you most likely will not be able to purchase a firearm. If you've committed even a petty crime, you shouldn't even consider buying a firearm. There are several background checks conducted.

It's our constitutional right to own guns. I own quite a few as a gay man.

Trust me if some cop or government official comes to my apartment and tries to take them away. I have no problem killing them.

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>>713156
It's no use to feel inside their speedos if they're dead.

>>713159
In at least some states you can buy a gun from a private seller with no ID, no license, no background check, nothing.

/k/ here
Cold dead hands, etc.

Can't expect to stay free if you don't retain your ability to murder the fuck out of anyone who tries to take that freedom from you, can you?

I feel like we need to own guns with all this NSA bullshit going around. Cops killing innocent people & dogs for no reason. We need to be able to protect ourselves.

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The only reason people think they need a gun for self defense is because criminals have guns. The only reason criminals have access to guns is because we're producing millions of guns for the people that buy them for self defense.

If we cut the production of guns to just the 0.1% of people that actually need them (police, professionals, etc.) we cut 99.9% of the guns available to criminals, if not all because its much easier to regulate guns owned by police or professionals than any redneck that wants to buy one. Then criminals don't have guns, and we don't need guns for self defense.

Its just a circle of violence that is just escalated with the millions of guns being produced and pumped into society. A gun can only take a life, it can only "save" lives taken from other guns in the first place. Criminals can shimmy together knives, or sticks, or bats, but they can't create guns, criminals only have access to guns due to our society's demand for them, legitimate or not.

Every single person would be better off in a society with less guns. Yemen has the second highest amount of legal guns per capita in the world, second to the US, and its one of the most violent and dangerous country in the world. Many first world countries are much safer than America, all with far fewer guns per capita.

Unfortunately in the US we already have massive amounts of guns available, and a strong gun culture, it will literally take centuries to this to change.

everyone should own guns. We might need them to overthrow the government

>>713187
>>713173

So your justification for owning a gun is so you can break the law?

>>713292

You seem to forget about renegade police, Security guards, military, and government officials in the system who will kill your for whatever reason they feel necessary, even if you're unarmed.

Gun people always throw around the term "law-abiding" gun owner, yet their only opposition to a gun registry is that it would make it harder for them to break the law, in the case guns were banned (which isn't happening any time soon, and would be blocked by the judicial branch).

>>713292
It's like you actually want America to go fascist.

>Criminals can shimmy together knives, or sticks, or bats, but they can't create guns
o man, how fucking dumb are you?

>>713309

Its not all or nothing, if we can reduce 99.9% of guns to criminals, we should, it would eliminate the need for guns for self defense, and deescalate crime.

>>713151
I don't get it. What is the end goal of your reality, if not human happiness? It's surely not the well being of the environment... Shit, are you a Randian? Oh my god. Oh my god I'm so sorry, high school must be so hard

>>713299

Owning a gun isn't breaking the law. Some asshole (criminal, cop, or gov official) breaking into my home without a warrant or any authority feel as if I have to protect myself against if worse comes to shove.

>>713320

Do you even know what fascism is? You're probably one of those people who claim Obama is both a fascist and a communist, a Muslim and an atheist.

Ideal situation:
>quality healthcare, education, environments, housing etc for all
>extensive mental health system
>democratic control of products of labor
>crime not necessary
>guns not necessary
>everyone happy, kiss, hug, rabbits

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>>713320
>It's like you actually want America to go fascist.

What is this edginess doing outside of /pol/?

>>712688 (OP)

this belongs in /k/

off topic.

>>713151
>Implying low human well-being isn't the primary source of crime.

Enjoy your crime-ridden neo-feudal shithole.

>>713340
>who claim Obama is both a fascist and a communist, a Muslim and an atheist.

I know for a fact that he's neither a communist, a muslim or an atheist. But with this NSA shit going on, do you seriously not think Fascism is around the corner? We're becoming a police state very quickly

>>713334

but you said:

>Trust me if some cop or government official comes to my apartment and tries to take them away. I have no problem killing them.

That would be murder, its illegal

>Some asshole (criminal, cop, or gov official) breaking into my home without a warrant

A cop during an illegal search of your apartment doesn't warrant deadly force. You'd go to court and win, the cop likely fired / charged.

>>713343

The Earth will never live up to your ideals.
This place was created to be a confusing pain in the ass place for everyone to stimulate growth.
You return to paradise after you die, yes even gays.

>>713331

No, not a randian. My end goal is something more akin to Confucius's ideas of hierarchy, where people obtain happiness by feeling part of a well-oiled, functioning machine. Well-being is a simple distraction from that. People find satisfaction from productivity and servitude towards the upper classes, who in turn obtain satisfaction from running and operating a functional machine. People would not only know their place, but be happy with their place.

>>713358
>A cop during an illegal search of your apartment doesn't warrant deadly force.

Feinstein's got that dick up your ass doesn't she?

Personally, OP, I think gun control is a terrible idea. Not necessarily because guns are good, or whatever, but because we should have learned from the prohibition era and drug war that banning a product is just the stupidest fucking idea a person can come up with.

If we instill strict gun control, we'll create a situation where a black market will arise, and cartels will have a new industry. Only this new cartel market will be FUCKING GUNS!

>>713355

You can always tell the people who watch cable news. They're so completely misinformed about current events, all enamored in the hyped up scandal of the month, like its doomsday every week.

>>713370
But there already is a black market for guns.

>>713380

Exactly. Do we really want to make that situation even worse than it already is?

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armed fags are safe fags.

>>713017
>hurr small dick
worst argument the libs got, by far.

>>713370

Other countries can control guns quite well, the only ones that seem to have a problem with it are third world countries and America. Also in areas where certain drugs are legal, they are very effectively regulated.

>>713358

My mom was forced into an illegal search because she had a similar name to some woman a few blocks away. They had no warrant, but they broke her front door down and rampaged the place while she was not at home looking for her. All they gave my mom was an apology. My mom couldn't afford a lawyer or attorney for damages.

I don't trust the police or the way things are going. If anyone is illegally in my home or on my property regardless of if they're a cop or the President. I have a right to kill them.

>>713343

So how's elementary school working out for you?

>>713349

How is the crime bad for the lower-classes? They're wiping each other out and removing the overall burden on society. Eventually the problematic areas are sealed off and the population is left to rot. After total social collapse comes in, the land is seized by a corporate force, who renovates it into something useful.

>>713376
you're not actually trying to refute me though. you're trying and failing to attack my credibility. I dont even watch cable news.

As an trans person and a socialist. We need to be armed, and I'm very frank in saying it's because we may have to overthrow a tyrannical government someday. If dont think thats a possibility, you havent been paying attention to the world since 9/11.

If a civil war starts, those pigs are gonna check their priviledge with my 5.56 NATO

>>713393
england's violent crime rates are sky-high. So what if the gun control is working, that doesn't mean crime has gone down.

muh INGSOC

>>713355
We've been a police state for years. The patriot act was just the final step. Revolution in our lifetimes.

Also, my local congresswoman voted against the patriot act. Barbara Lee (D). Cool chick

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>>713405
Because England is the only country besides 'Murica and The Middle East.

fatmaster logic

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>>713425
never said that.

try harder jamal

also /pol/ threads suck, for the record

>>712688 (OP)
Everyone should be required to own one. And they should all be registered.

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>>713416
I wish I could say the same for mine. limiting or taking away our firearms is the only thing left from completing the police state.

>>713363
I see where you're coming from, but I will fight people like you until my final breath. The good of the individual IS the good of all, and vise versa. I've watched too much Doctor Who to believe otherwise. I guess it's possible you have too, though, since you sound like the Master.

>>713403
>you're not actually trying to refute me though.

Why? You didn't try very hard. You "refutation" to my original point was calling me a dumb fascist.

You want to fight a civil war? Fly to Syria, you want to escape an "oppressive government"? Move to Somalia. That is a ridiculously argument.

I love these hipsters on here who want to ban all guns while the eat slaughtered animals for dinner whose throats were sliced and bled to death, or who were shocked and tazered to death, or who were killed with guns or machines.. Hypocritical fucks.

>>713439
The problem is that a violent revolution IMO is not feasible in the first world. However the first people we need to strip guns from are the pigs

>>713448
I never called you a fascist. I implied that you were just gonna lie there and let the state fuck you like the passive whore you are.

lol at that last argument. At least the people of Syria have balls and are fighting for something.

>>713416
>Revolution in our lifetimes.

When you turn 12, you're realize how silly that sounds.

Do you know how 99% of Syrians "fought" their civil war? By moving to a refuge camp. Do they have access to guns? Sure, they could all join to rebels, millions of them and win the war in a month.

But they have families, careers, lives, and don't give two shits about getting killed to overthrow some government they could just leave anytime they wanted. People who die for that, their lives are worthless.

>>713441

Nah, never did like it, it's too British. I'd be lying if I said Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising isn't a major influence, but I see Armstrong's endgame as a transitional state. A more proper state, my endgame, is something I have yet to see properly implemented and described in fiction.

People should not have the ability to kill other people.

>>713454
Charity begins at home. Once my own species is doing better we will revolt for the animals. Also capitalism is what necessitates factory farming

>>713458
>At least the people of Syria have balls and are fighting for something.

Who? The foreigners and terrorists who are actually fighting?

Or do you mean the Syrian people, who are dead, raped, or dying in a refuge camp?

Get real.

>>713463
I don't think that civil war is necessarily revolutionary. The revolution I'd want to emulate is the Haitian one, which did a lot of short term good for the Haitians until France fucked shit up

>>713467
this.
The who argument reduced to its simplest form.

>>713473

>Caring about the animals

They are a literal lesser form of life. How can anyone remotely empathize with a resource? They're at the same level as trees, only existing for our use for productivity and entertainment.

HOMOPHOBES & BULLYING WOULD CEASE TO EXIST IF THE LGBT COMMUNITY CARRIED AROUND GUNS WITH THEM.

>>713467
and yet the bad ones do

so what what do you do when one of them is right in front of you or someone you love, hmm? You're right, obviously. But that doesn't mean it's the way it is. The best way to stop someone from killing others is to disable or kill him as efficiently as possible.

>>713486

Well then we have a revolution every 2 years, 4 and 6 years, its called elections.

You want to patriot act gone? Elect people who will actually work to repeal it, not a bunch of asshats who sit on their ass and bitch about the president doing his job too well, utilizing the power they gave to him too much.

But you rednecks never do. Its all about guns and abortion and rhetoric talking points about "liberty" to you guys. The republicans have you in their pocket.

>>713489
Any intellectual battle between us is futile. We clearly have completely different moral systems and had completely different influences during our formative years. You'll never change my mind and I'll never change yours. I will, however, fight the implementation of this philosophy, and I imagine you'll fight back.

>>713467
a good idea in theory, but hopelessly naive at best

>>713492
>The best way to stop someone from killing others is to disable or kill him as efficiently as possible.

Or have none of them be able to kill anyone in the first place.

That is the point.

>>713506
>implying elections in the US aren't all either rigged or purposefully narrowed to a few near identical candidates

yeah, no. And the Haitians got their freedom with blood.

Under gun control laws where do all the guns go to that they collect? I worry what happens after they collect them. Is our government stockpiling guns to use against us? Most likely.

>>713506
you dont understand how broken the system is do you? The only bipartisan thing that both the executive branch and both houses can agree on is that spying on us is a great idea. If that doesnt speak volumes about the state of our country, I dont know what does.

Democrats and Republicans are the same party and try to play off the country against each other with social issues. They are the problem and the way the system is now, that's all we have to choose from. Elections aren't going to fix this country anymore.

It shows how little you know when you assume everyone that doesnt agree with you is a redneck republican

>>713524

Rigged by who? The NWO, the jews? Some sort of unknown world authority? No. They're controlled entirely by voters. If things get bad enough, there will be sweeping elections, a new party will emerge, etc. But Obama is not a fascist, most police are actually good people, there is no massive conspiracy or power grab by the executive branch, just a utilization of power granted to them by congress, which can and will be easily taken away.

We already have democracy, you don't need guns to fight your government, you can do that by voting.