/lgbt/,After summer is over, would you maybe want to go camping again? Deer season is looking to be pretty nice this year.Yours, /pol/
>>1075632 (OP)
>>1075675Yeah...well I tried...
how stereotypical of /lgbt/ to not call back.
>>1075719well it is 6am.
>>1075719They were all over us yesterday...
>>1075719i guess its true, we should have never shown our feelings to them.
>>1075632 (OP)GET THE FUCK OUT JIDF.
Anyone have that screengrab with the submissive /pol/fag who loves trannies and dominatrices
>>1078189how in the hell is op jidf?
>>1078217>Anyone have that screengrab with the submissive /pol/fag who loves trannies and dominatricesnever seen that one before!
>>1078219You'll understand when you take the complete /pol/LACK guide to juden.
>>1078235so the juden are trying to get /lgbt/ to like /pol/?
>>1078246Ja.
>>1078254for what purpose?
Another /pol/ack here. We love you guys but SRS keeps trying to ruin our relationship :(((((((They have janitors here, and I will probably get banned for this.
>>1078400
>>1078246No, the opposite. Classic divide and conquer tactics to keep the goyim fighting amongst themselves.
>>1078758thats why we must embrace /polgbt/!
>>1078784
>>1079062>>1079062>>1079062>>1079062>>1079062This whole thread
>>1079062>>1079068are you saying im jew?
>>1079128no i'm saying jews (and their SRS/SJW subordinates) are terrified of the /pol/-/lgbt/ alliance.
>>1079154four way fight to the death!pol & lgbt vs feminists & jews
>>1079171Why don't we all just kill ourselves instead?
>>1079216no way.
>>1075632 (OP)>to go campingWhat .... you want to do Oscar Wilde cosplay and sing Noel Coward songs?
>>1078262so as to 'enrich' /pol/, if you get enough /lgbt/ to spam /pol/, you may see some board culture change.
>tfw no white nationalist trans gf
>>1079696Yes goyim, keep fighting over "degeneracy" and "social justice movements"... I'll just be over here destroying your economy, buying out all your politicians, and making sure you all die killing Muslims for the Glory of Israel.Dumbass goyim.
>>1080069>thinking we can't exterminate trannies, investment bankers and israel sympathizers at once
>>1075632 (OP)>this picturei wish the polandball guy would learn english
>>1080617That's one of the jokes.
>>1080267>tranniesWe are with /polgbt/.Not all of us are like PotC.Most of us just want to find a nice man to be subservient to, if you look at it from that angle we are better than cis women. We are the women /polgbt/ needs. I think the threat we have to worry about is lesbians. The L is the letter that will sell us out to the feminists.
>>1081999Trans women are the only women willing to be women anymore. If Nazi science can give them the gift of a fertile womb, they will helps us create a better tomorrow.
tfw no Nazi trans gf
>>1082133that's a hurtful feel
>>1082133>tfw no obnoxious emoticon-posting liberal leftist feminist /lgbt/ MtF who is an utterly obnoxious sack of shit but passes so perfectly that you are obliged by your sick disgraceful fetishes to get on your hands and knees and worship her pre-op dudeparts
>>1082133We exist anon. I'm sure you will meet your lucky trans girl one day.
>>1082189By worship her dudeparts I hope you mean violently sodomize her while yanking her pigtails and screaming "Heil Hitler" loud enough to evacuate the nearest synagogue, until you blow your load with the heat of a thousand Auschwitzs inside of her rectal bunker.
>>1082015>Trans women are the only women willing to be women anymore. If Nazi science can give them the gift of a fertile womb, they will helps us create a better tomorrow.the jews killed this future
>>1082354Not yet anon. If you go to /mtfg/ you will see plenty of trans girls looking for men wanting to live a traditional life.
>>1082303
>>1075725that's adorable /pol/-kun.>outside it may be hell, but here it is heaven>you will never know that feel ;__;
>>1075632 (OP)no go fuck you self you shit eating nazi faggot
>>1082567srs tumblr jewish feminist sjw detected.
>>1082570srs, no tumblr, goy, feminist, sjw I guess
>>1082577>srs, no tumblr, goy, feminist, sjw I guessjew puppet says what?
>>1082577You are not welcome here, degenerate.
>>1082636Meant to attach this.
>>1075632 (OP)so im new to this whole lbgt pol alliance thing. how did it start? we went camping? tell me everything.
>>1082683fishin trip
>>1082683/lgbt/ is still built up of 4channers. The vast majority of 4channers are still incredibly racist, or shitty about chicks, or otherwise socially conservative even if they are also gay. /pol/ is a giant sewer of not only 4channers that are socially conservative to begin with, but the ones that are REALLY REALLY LOUD about it. Thus, gags about /pol/ being tsundere for /lgbt/ because /lgbt/ is just a gay /pol/.
>>1082683I would tell anon, but that would be too lewd
>>1082703are most gays like that? or are most gays the lispy limp wristed liberal type on TV
>>1082703>sewer of not only 4channers that are socially conservative to begin with, but the ones that are REALLY REALLY LOUD about it. Thus, gags about /pol/ being tsundere for /lgbt/ because /lgbt/ is just a gay /pol/.
>>1082733I don't know, what are most straight people like?
>>1082733>most gays the lispy limp wristed liberal type on TV>on tvi wonder who is to blame?
>>1082738>disregarding ill gotten wealth, praise and pursuits of the flesh.lol
>>1082741Silly goyim
>>1082745whats a matter? the truth hurt?
>>1082703what a disappointmenti'm starting to feel like i'm not gonna get on a board on 4chan where people aren't angry, mad nutswhere is a place that is anonymous where people aren't so desperate to be edgy
>>1082758Yes we're all crazy here, you should go to ponychan, they're nice.
>>1082765ohhhh nono no no, i'm goodthank you though
>>1082755It's not the truth in the slightest. The majority of /pol/ shitheadeds are well-to-do white kids that are living on their parents dime, they have absolutely shit to say about "ill-gotten wealth" or living independently. The whole site, /pol/ included, is nothing but an echochamber of fucking back-pattery anyway ("aren't we better than reddit? aren't we better than tumblr?") and /pol/ excels at that as well as any other board on this site, and as far as pursuits of the flesh... I mean, come on, look where we're talking about.
>being a faggotKILLYOURSELF ANON THIS IS A DUBS THREAD NOWCHECK EM
>>1082703>/pol/ is a giant sewer of not only 4channers that are socially conservative to begin withhttp://strawpoll.me/305903/rYou SRS harpies are very dishonest in your merciless generalization of our Greatest Ally /pol/.
>>1082917Lying doesn't actually make something so though.I mean, do it all day tomorrow as well, maybe it will make false things true then. But today it still doesn't.
>>1082577fuck off scumI hope gay transgender nazis stomp you.
>>1082917>pollThis is supposed to prove something?
>>1082922What makes you think I'm lying?Would a group of conservative right-wingers vote Clinton as the best of the last three presidents?
>>1082934Conservatives are not capable of telling the truth.
>>10827034chan is NOT conservative as whole, and it has never been.How ignorant can you get?
>>1082937But I'm not a conservative by any means.You SJW progressives are are literally just as retarded and brainwashed as the conservative Christian rednecks you hate so much.
>>1082940I've met about 50 liberals in my life due to where I live, and most of those were met in other states, and tens or hundreds of thousands of conservatives. None of those liberals ever sounded like 4chan even once in their lives, many of them I knew for years and they never sounded like 4chan for even a second. On the other hand, every one of those conservatives sounded like someone from 4chan every single time they opened their mouth.I've met probably two dozen people irl who admitted to trolling on 4chan. Half of were self-proclaimed neo-nazis irl, and the other half serious bible thumpers. But of the 2 liberals I've met that were interested in memes, they both liked Tumblr and hated 4chan.
fuck you guys, now I'm shipping it
>>1082958>traps>furries>anime>gore>gay as fuck, all the timeYeah, that sure sounds conservative to me.
>>1082940Fucking Christ, of course it is. 4chan as a whole shits its pants over anything that isn't a laisezz-faire system of economics (until it bites them in the ass, and then it's "end on-disc DRM now power to the people"), anything else is bleeding heart socialism. Most 4channers think the issue of gay rights are overblown, that women (no, not feminists, women) are all whores and that niggers are naturally aggressive. Look at any thread talking about these issues on any board on this damn site. But you know this, you're just a terminal liar who wants to belong to his stupid club of cunts.
>>1082964All of the neo-nazis I've known in real life bragged about wanting to fuck 13 year old boys, accused each other of fucking animals every day, loved to watch cartoons (and half of them were serious fans of Avatar the Last Airbender, and liked to brag about how it resembled Japanese cartoons), love to joke and brag about guts and gore, and make gay jokes and pretended to be gay almost as often as they acted straight.Your every single argument is still invalid.
>>1082964There's a shitload of stupid ass gay conservatives who know nothing but what their idiot parents taught them. There's a shitload of people cumming themselves over traps on this site, but not a lot of traps themselves, and none of the rest of what you listed falls either way. Especially fucking GORE, you think social conservatives are afraid of fucking GORE? Are you fucking retarded? Wait, don't answer that. I already know, since you're defending these shitheels.
>>1082884You sound very flustered. Mad that you've been trying so hard to influence 4chan's general opinion of feminism and failing horribly? Of course we're better than reddit and tumblr, where do you think all the memes you pervert and destroy come from? We also value free speech and anonymity here, unlike those miserable shitstain sites. We encourage open discussion without censorship or upvote/downvote mob mentality bullshit.Why do you hate freedom so much, you sick little puppy?
>>1082963Holy fuck, this is awesome.MOAR!!!!!
>>1082758/d/ is pretty nice~
>>1082963Yeah this needs to fucking be a thing
>>1082958What a ridiculous and off-base fucking generalization. >I've met about 50 liberals in my life due to where I live, and most of those were met in other states, and tens or hundreds of thousands of conservatives.No fucking shit you're going run into more conservatives that have posted on 4chan IRL if you've apparently met hundreds of thousands of conservatives, and only 50 liberals. I've been browsing since 2005 and I can tell you without a shred of doubt that you are completely full of shit. Were you even here during the election last November? I fucking doubt it.You don't even have a leg to stand on. 4chan (or even /pol/ for that matter) is not a conservative echo chamber BY ANY MEANS. The echo chamber circle jerks are tumblr and reddit, but you're probably used to that so you think it's normal.First it was the furries, then the YTMNDfags then the gaiafags, then the newfag generation, then the post-Chanology cancer, then years of idiots coming in from facebook, tumblr, reddit... and finally social justice warrior feminists start to come to 4chan. You are by far the most pathetic and ignorant filth to have ever come here.
>>1082992I've been banned for voicing liberal opinions before, without breaking any rules whatsoever. Not often, but it has happened.That shit used to go on all the time when Snacks was here. They just threw Snacks under the bus because he got [spoiler]caught[/spoiler] with CP on his harddrive. You can say that you only use that shit to help you be a white knight for justice everywhere for kids and all that, but I've met a handful of people with CP on their computers irl and they all fapped to it. And also the whole point of 4chan was to be subtle...you're not supposed to just flamboyantly advertise that you're actually a piece of shit who's not pretending like a peacock for everyone to see, you're supposed to pretend that it's all for pretend. So sayeth moot, keeper of dubs and all that is desu.
>>1083001>No fucking shit you're going run into more conservatives that have posted on 4chan IRL if you've apparently met hundreds of thousands of conservatives,Not even that dude, but your reading comprehension is shit.>You don't even have a leg to stand on. 4chan (or even /pol/ for that matter) is not a conservative echo chamber BY ANY MEANS. And absolutely no evidence posted to disprove the notion in the slightest, well done.>The echo chamber are derrp durrp durrpppp anonymous is legion xDFucking barf. Kill yourself immediately.
>>1082969>every single one of your arguments is invalid based on my tiny, inconsequential anecdotal experience with 15 year old skinhead retards>>1083010>And absolutely no evidence posted to disprove the notion in the slightest, well done.Your evidence is the whole site. Lurk moar, it's clear you haven't been here very long at all.
>>1082992Does that mean SRS is going to leave?Noooooooo!!!!We love having you retards come here, redpilling you, and turning you back against the rest of the SJW idiots who have finally had a taste of peer-reviewed studies!!!How do you think /pol/ has had such a large influence on the rest of 4chan? It's not because we "raid" other boards, because other boards deal with irrelevant bullshit.It's because people flock to /pol/, in order to self-righteously masturbate as to what upstanding, indoctrinated, delusional pieces of shit they are, only to be faced with reality, and then have a radical conversion against everything they were taught, that they assumed was true.captcha: decadence minagm
>>1083017Try 20 year old, 30 year old, 40 year old and 50 year old meth cooks, child fuckers, liquor store robbers, people convicted of aggravated assault and attempted murder.
>>1083017>Your evidence is the whole siteYeah, look at all that vibrant liberalism on the first page of /pol/ right now. Liar, liar, pants on fire.
>>1083022>How do you think /pol/ has had such a large influence on the rest of 4chan?4chan was like that before /pol/ was formed, retard. /pol/ is a reflection of 4chan, not the other way around.
>>1082992>you drown any opposing opinion in sages, 0/10s and shitposting bullshitThat's called free speech miss.>You've been turned down by too many Kimberlies, Brittanies and Stephanies to have that happened. You people are damaged goods, and the only way that will ever change is if the Jessicas of the world start accepting your advances, and that ain't happening, so women will always be bitches and whores to you.I'll have you know I'm 23 and have had sex with 22 different women. Pays to be a /fit/izen. But honestly I couldn't have done it without sex-positive feminism. In reality, it is feminism that has turned women into bitches and whores, not that I don't enjoy bitches and whores mind you.
That's the thing. I have no doubt there are a few retarded liberals who think it's cool to be retarded on the internet. I have no doubt there are a couple principled conservative retards on 4chan who think it's cool to pretend to be retarded. But I've met actual real neo-nazis, some of them were even accepted members of small local neo-nazis gangs. I've met the kind of neo-nazi that has networks of people to sell stolen goods to, the kind who can call in small favors from other small time crooks, and 4chan sounds exactly like them. Maybe if you've lived your whole like behind a fence and off-street parking and three locks you could be led to believe that 4chan isn't conservative, but for anyone that's met a conservative it's really obvious where your hearts and minds are. Most of you may be butter soft and creamy and sugary sweet like candy, pampered and soft trust fund student neo-nazis, who wouldn't last 5 seconds out in the real world, but you have the same sort of thinking and feelings, the same speech patterns and beliefs as the real thing. And even if a liberal could convincingly pretend to be that, no liberal would convincingly pretend to be that with their free time, not on the internet or anywhere else. It's too disgusting.If you could provide actual real documented proof that could be verified via watermarks and carbon copies and cosigning that you have voted liberal and taken up liberal causes all your life and were a registered Democrat with Democrat parents and an education and well off friends that respect the law and everything else I would just chalk it up to you being a natural born piece of shit conservative who was raised in an environment completely different from your natural inclinations that with half of an opportunity you would turn into a complete piece of shit irl just like you do on 4chan.
>>1083037I wish I had some stupid "THIS" animated gif saved. Very well put.
>>1082963oh wow this hit me right in the feels!
>>1082963
>>1082963i wonder what it would take to make some of the pol/fagball pictures look like this?!
>>1083025I'm a liberal whose been posting on /pol/ since the board was created. There are only one or two conservative oriented threads on the front page right now. You're probably just confusing liberalism with progressivism.I don't know why you're trying to make retarded generalizations about a site you've been on for probably less than a month. You're so off base it's not even funny.>>1083037This incoherent rage is the best thing I've seen in a while. You're basing conservatives in general on some neo-nazi gang members you've apparently met? How retarded can you get? Bullshit neo-nazi gangs don't speak for national socialists as a whole whatsoever, and Nazis weren't even right wing or conservative either, our textbooks lie to us. The fact that you're using some stupid neo-nazi kids (the kind who have a fence... OOOO BIG DEAL MUST BE SOME REAL HARDENED CRIMINALS) as an example of CONSERVATIVISM AS A WHOLE is only proof how utterly removed from reality you are. Also the fact that you consider reddit to be conservative further advertises your idiocy, have you seen fucking /r/politics? I don't even know why I'm trying, you're probably like 15.Just because /pol/ understands Jews are a dominant minority and rejects feminism doesn't make them conservative, and it doesn't make them Nazis either.Lurk moar, post less. Or just leave.>>1083038Nice samefag.
>>1083037/lit/ is more of a communist circlejerk than /pol/ has ever been a conservative circlejerk.you have no clue what you're talking about.
>>1083038Thank you.Unfortunately I'm done posting in this thread. I kind of just like to fuck with all of these assholes' carefully constructed lying, there's not really anything to gain by or interested about talking with them. And I can always come back and find plenty more later. For now I'm gonna play a computer game or something. Maybe we'll see each other in another thread on here later, it should be pretty easy for you to spot my posts and it will probably be pretty easy for me to spot yours. Cya.
>>1083059>I'm a liberalDoubt it.>You're probably just confusing liberalism with progressivism.REALLY doubt it now!>There are only one or two conservative oriented threads on the front page right now>thread congratulating putin on the anti-gay shit>thread talking about "liberal/jew bias" in some dumbass's college class>thread talking about how white women have been corrupted by feminism and that's why white men go for asian women>thread comparing homosexuality to pedophilia>a thread linking back to this one for dipshit "SRS feminazi" reasonsand on and on and ongod you're such a worthless liar! :^)
Goddamn Jews fuck things up for gays too.
>>1083091Another example of the very socially liberal 4chan.
Honestly 4chan has changed a lot in the past few years. There is no way you could call 2005 /b/ right wing. They liked to say nigger sometimes but they also invested large amounts of time into trolling fundies and white nationalists.
>>1083096Another example of your rampant confirmation bias.
>>1083101>confirmation bias ad hominem strawman expecto patronum, these terms win arguments!Junior High debate team all-star, a "confirmation bias" can only exist if there's evidence to the contrary to consider.
>>1083090>tfw /pol/ is actually winning against SRSfeels good.
>>1083090>Doubt it.In 2008, 2010, and 2012 I've never voted conservative.Page 0 was different when I looked at it but>thread talking about "liberal/jew bias" in some dumbass's college classThis is a very real problem>>thread talking about how white women have been corrupted by feminism and that's why white men go for asian womenThis has nothing to do with any side of the political spectrum.>>1083096Anti-semitism is not indicative of liberalism or conservatism either. Liberals are actually much less likely to support Israel.>>1083100This is very true, although on average 4chan is still pretty liberal. The only board with any conservative rhetoric is /pol/. It's because there's a liberal in the Oval Office. The youth are always rebelling against the presidency because every president is worthy of criticism. When there's another Republican in office the pendulum will swing back.
>>1082964>Yeah, that sure sounds conservative to me.Yes. It's called hypocrisy. It's something moralists excel at.
>>1083107That's what happens when you try to fight the magic windmill of love and tolerance.
>>1083105And there is plenty of evidence to the contrary in this thread alone. Stop talking through your ass.What you're doing is the definition of confirmation bias. You simply disbelieve everyone who says they aren't conservative. You don't see that as "evidence". But you do see someone expressing a conservative opinion as evidence of them being neo-nazi's.
Why bother
>>1083105There is evidence everywhere, yet you're using only /pol/ to speak for all of 4chan. You probably just heard about this site from your mentally-ill internet friends in the SRS IRC.
We like you guys, you just need to remove the T from LGBT. Transgenderism is is to do with gender identity, not sexual orientation. <3
>>1083027Confirmed for newfag.Before, people would post "LOL NIGGER EDGY".Now people post crime statistics by race, racial IQs, AIPAC funding, etc.
>>1083108>In 2008, 2010, and 2012 I've never voted conservative.Okay, so you voted for an Independent on the basis of financial matters, instead.>This is a very real problem.No, it's not. It's also an example of conservative rhetoric.>This had nothing to do with either side of the political spectrum.Because "social conservatism" and "feminist" aren't practically oxymorons.>Anti-semitism is not indicative of liberalism or conservatism eitherHow many pro-gay, pro-feminism, pro-secular government, pro-everything else socially liberal groups do you know that are also actively anti-semitic?>Liberals are actually much less likely to support IsraelNot supporting Israel is not indicative of anti-semitism.
>>1083122>IMBLYINGEveryone knows /pol/ hates all gays.Nothing personal.But fuck off and quit saying you're a spokesperson for /pol/.
>>1083122No. Traps are ok. If anything, remove the L.They're the only ones vulnerable to parasitic feminist indoctrination.
>still buying into the left right dichotomy>not forming your own political views based on reason.
>>1083130>quit saying you're a spokesperson for /pol/Take your own advice faggot. Some of us are totally fine with gays. Especially if they hate feminists as much as we're led to believe.
>>1083129>How many pro-gay, pro-feminism, pro-secular government, pro-everything else socially liberal groups do you knownot him, but zero and i get invites to the parties of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Linkewell ok to be honest this depends on your definition of "pro-everything else" but i think you get my point.
>>1083113>And there is plenty of evidence to the contrary in this thread alone.No, there really isn't, and if there was, you would have cited examples.>You simply disbelieve everyone who says they aren't conservativeConsidering the one and only person who claimed as much went on to show that he doesn't understand what a conservative or liberal viewpoint even is, I have reason to doubt.>But you do see someone expressing a conservative opinion as evidence of them being neo-nazi'sI think there's a lot of neo-nazi equivalents on here, but not as many as just garden-variety social conservatives.>>1083121>There is evidence everywhereAgain, no citation.>yet you're using only /pol/ to speak for all of 4chanUh-oh, looks like there's some disagreement among the stains. I thought /pol/ was as "balanced" as the rest of 4chan? :(>>1083127>Before, people would post "LOL NIGGER EDGY".>Now people post crime statistics by race, racial IQs, AIPAC funding, etc.That shit existed before as well. Fuck, I remember sagebombing that shit on /v/.
>>1083130>implying I'm not the spokesman >>1083131Divide and conquer, idiot. Trans people are giving the LGB community a bad name, if anything they're holding you guys back. They're just using you guys for political and social gain. You could say they're the Jews of /lgbt/.
>>1083147This.Most us do not match the stereotype the kikes are trying to project on us. Neither did the NS of the 30s & 40s.
>>1083129>Okay, so you voted for an Independent on the basis of financial matters, instead.Nope, I generally vote along party lines for most positions and bills. I voted Gary Johnson for the lulz because Obama was going to take my state anyways. If Romney won I would have cried.>>1083129>No, it's not. It's also an example of conservative rhetoric.Again, NSDAP rhetoric != conservative rhetoric. When's the last time you heard a genuine conservative (not some fucking neo-nazi you idiot) complain about Jewish brainwashing? Never. Conservatives are very good goyim, not that liberals aren't however.>Because "social conservatism" and "feminist" aren't practically oxymorons.It wasn't a thread about feminism, it was a thread discussing how feminism has caused white men to miscegenate.>How many pro-gay, pro-feminism, pro-secular government, pro-everything else socially liberal groups do you know that are also actively anti-semitic?Dumb question, they're literally ALL run by Jews.>Not supporting Israel is not indicative of anti-semitism.There are quite a few powerful Jewish figures who would disagree with you.As a gay PoC I really want you retarded social justice warrior feminists to leave us minorities and the LGBT community alone. Your intersecionality garbage is beyond ignorant and we don't need freaks like you representing us or our interests.
>>1078453top lel SRS strikes again
>>1083130>EVERYONE KNOWS /POL/ HATES GAYSWe know there's about two people spamming all the threads, who, shocker, are from SRS.Why the fuck would actual /pol/locks hate gays? Homosexuality was a stable of the Third Reich. Most members of the S.S. were homosexuals.
>>1083150>hurrr durrr citation neededHOW ABOUT YOU ACTUALLY SPEND SOME TIME ON DIFFERENT BOARDS OF 4CHAN BEFORE YOU MAKE SUCH RIDICULOUS GENERALIZATIONS. IF YOU WANT A LEFTIST CIRCLE JERK, GO TO /lit/
>>1083184Honestly most /pol/acks are libertarian and are supportive of gay marriage.
>>1083150>citations How about the existence of this board?How about the entirety of /lit/?
>>1083159>You could say they're the Jews of /lgbt/.Jokes aside, I agree. /lgbt/ is three sexual orientations and one mental illness. We need to remove mental illness.
>>1083191Most /pol/lacks WERE Libertarians, but lets be honest, things have taken a pretty fascist turn in the past year.
I don't get the joke.Is it about feminists? what is srs anyway. Feminists are dumb. Also /pol/ brought me here.
>>1083194Nope, the Christians moved in.A lot of libertarians left because of it.
>>1082703SRS, pls go.
>>1083193As a gay /po/lock, I don't give a shit about trans people.Let them call themselves whatever they want. They may fool me, or maybe not. They're basically like one of those "optical illusions", where if you stare at the picture long enough, you'll see a different image underneath the patterns.This is all just bullshit to distract us from the actual issue that das juden is destroying our economy, to get bailouts which get sent directly to Israel, to buy out our government, to make us all die fighting for Israel.
>>1083200>being from /pol/>not knowing about SRSShiggy diggy, u dumb niggy
>>1083204Ship dop diggery doo, they're probably a dumb nigger poo.
>>1082965TIL that SRS is legitimately so retarded that it thinks racism is the sae thing as conservatism. Considering that feminists think that black people are their trained monkey servants, are they all conservative too?
>>1083210>EVERYTHING I DON'T AGREE WITH IS RACISTAre you really surprised?This is why /lgbt/ hates the shit out of these SRS/tumblr/reddit groups.More than half of us are on the losing end of their "privilege campaign", by being white males. Why the hell would we support them?
>>1083130I'm /pol/, and I love gays. (Less likely lesbians.) I'm bisexual myself.
>>1082965I don't think I've ever seen anyone on 4chan ask for government intervention to end on disk DLC. That's the crucial difference.
>>1083159Trans people wouldn't be so bad if not for feminism telling them to all act like rampant insane people.
>>1083146>Legitimately not being communitarian in this day and age.
>>1083194You do know that the fascism thing is a joke, right?
>>1083176>Again, NSDAP rhetoric != conservative rhetoric.Sorry, neo-nazis are an example of social conservatism.>When's the last time you heard a genuine conservative (not some fucking neo-nazi you idiot)Hey, look a REAL example of one of those Oxford debate team "logical fallacies" you guys like to namedrop all the time. Anyway, Tea Party dudes are pretty loose lipped about the Jews.>It wasn't a thread about feminism, it was a thread discussing how feminism has caused white men to miscegenate.Which makes it a thread about feminism.>Dumb question, they're literally ALL run by JewsOh, god, is that who I'm speaking to right now? Fucking nevermind, Jesus.
>>1083193>not supporting surgeons' right to capitalize on the demand for sexual reassignment surgeryWhy do you hate economic freedom? If any group are the Jews of LGBT it's unquestionably the lesbians. They've been trying to commandeer the movement from the start.
>>1083215Damn. I'm bisexual, but always kept away from other gays because feminists convinced me 100% were 200% behind them. I feel like I found a new home.
>>1082963>mfw when I look like the love child of the two boards>mfw I'm a straight, Christian, /pol/ack but sympathetic to /lgbt/ because allies are hard to come by and you guys(?) seem alright.
>>1083225>Oh, god, is that who I'm speaking to right now? Fucking nevermind, Jesus.
I wouldn't ask this if I wasn't drunk (mmm summer vacation), but how much of /pol/ is bullshit trolls pretend to be nazi rednecks even though they might be liberal as fuck IRL? I ask because I troll there all the time spouting bullshit that's the opposite of what I believe for fun, I figure maybe half or more are just bored sometimes drunk people doing the same thing. I would be surprised if it's not mostly trolls trolling trolls.I'm not proud of this by the way but it is fun.
>>1083184>implying that's true>implying we're even nazisRacially aware, agnostic, anti-degenerate master race reporting.
I absolutely don't support transI think they are a mental disease and a phase in life. Seriously, imagine being straight and dating someone and finding out they used to be a male, and you're about to have sex, that's just legitimately weird
>>1083185I have. This is why I can make these comments; I have actually seen it. It is why I know you are a bullshit liar.>>1083192>How about the existence of this board?What the fuck? This place may as well be called /GOProud/
hey /lgbt/ I don't really like you guys at all so please don't come to /pol/. gl against SRS though.
>>1082992>You've been turned down by too many Kimberlies, Brittanies and Stephanies to have that happenedI'm 21 and I've fucked 18 girls, and have turned down many many more. If anything, feminism is what has turned me against women.
Why does lesbian have to be first? Why can't it be /glbt/?Gays should be first, they are men after all.
>>1083249Fuck off, cancer. /lgbt/ is /pol/'s greatest ally. We don't need your kind basically handing away the credibility of everyone fighting the feminis......You're the SRS bitch, aren't you. You almost pulled a quick one on me. Everyone ignore this landwhale.
>>1083239I would say an extremely small proportion. Most of the people endorsing Nazi views on/pol/ are at the very least right wing. They may not actually buy into natsoc, but they definitely aren't liberals.Most liberals simply would not find it funny to pretend to be Nazi's.
>>1083256yeah well I'm 18 and i've fucked 99 girls and feminism rules
>>1083261Is SRS the JIDF of /lgbt/?
>>1083247>What the fuck? This place may as well be called /GOProud/There's that confirmation bias again.Hate to break it to you, but hating SRS style social justice warriors does not automatically=GOP.
>>1083270I'm 13 and I've fucked 999 girls, and Israel is my greatest ally.
>>1083261I don't think so, JIDF. It's clear you orchestrated this whole fiasco just to come out as "teh white man's allies" and infect /pol/ with your gay propaganda. You mentally unstable animals have no place on our board.
>>1083275In a way. Srs thinks they own lgbt people as a whole.
>>1083284SRS plz go.
>>1083278>There's that confirmation bias again.There's that incorrect usage again. Come on, Derek, you won't get invited to the Model UN at this rate!>Hate to break it to you, but hating SRS style social justice warriors does not automatically=GOPHaving a bug up your ass about "social justice warrior" boogeymen pretty much guarantees you've got a bunch of shitty socially conservative issues going on with you, yeah.
>>1083284
>>1083242don't hate the trannies, hate the doctors who won't tell them the truth
>>1083295It doesn't take social conservatism to realize that you and your ilk are racist idiots.Gays and minorities don't need to be coddled and "protected" by feminists.
>>1083284Explain what being allies with white upstanding gaybros does that harms the white race? There are tons of white kids who need to be adopted, and who better than white parents who can't have their own kids? And we desperately need allies to crush the feminist menace.
>>1082884
>>1082963>dem hairy legs
>>1083261you're retarded SRS can only attack /pol/ through proxies and we wreck them every time there's no reason for these faggots to be on our board. They have their board, and we have ours. If we really need their help against SRS later we can just ask.
You people have no place in a fascist society.You encourage homosexuality, which is detrimental to families and lowers the birth rate of indigenous Europeans.You encourage gender "non conformity", creating mentally unstable freaks, and this is all encouraged by the jew.In a more liberal fascist society you would be tolerated, but your way of life would be heavily discouraged.
>>1083295Nah, it implies I understand that "blame whitey for everything" is a useless and ultimately dangerous ideology. It has nothing to do with being socially conservative whatsoever.
>>1083295> "social justice warrior" boogeymenYeah, because these people totally aren't real. All the extremist feminists we see are just optical illusions. We're seeing a reflection of an actual whale projected onto an otherwise reasonable female of moderate size.
>>1083306Could you speak fucking Engish, please.
As a fullblown lesbian I myself do not support the opprotunistic she devils regarded as femenist
Dear LGBTToday, a tatooed 6ft7 skinhead walked up to me on the street. I said hello to him, after which he proceeded to shout SIEG HEIL. When i asked him why he was so racist, and told him he was jewish, he raped me while singing SIEG HEIL VIKTORIA. Does this make me gay?
>>1083320We already did ask. Stop being this legitimately jewish, and trying to divide people who have no reason to be enemies.
>>1083307Because they an instrument of the jews. Degeneracy weakens any society, and what better way to fuck up a dwindling race even further, than to turn their males into weak, women wannabe, cock gobblers? They are sick individuals that shouldn't be let to roam freely.
>>1083091How so?
>>1083333That was actually pretty normal English. We understand that SRS can't get STEM degrees, so they harp about English, but pretending you can't read it doesn't improve your points.
WHY IS IT LGBT AND NOT GBLT?
Most people on /pol/ seem to view /lgbt/ as our allies. We may not approve of your degenerate lifestyles, and you may not approve of our political views, but feminism is a common enemy that we can put aside our differences for. Don't fall for the SRS divide and conquer tactics. They don't give a shit about you, they only want to use you to further their own cause.
>>1083108>When there's another Republican in office the pendulum will swing back.Except no. A lot of the people who hate Obama now hated George Bush too, since they are both doing exactly the same fucking thing. Obama is probably worse, though, simply because he's adding to the pile of shit that already existed.
>>1083352Wow, they don't even need to hide it anymore do they?
>>1083330>thinking 'blame whitey for everything' is "dangerous">not socially conservativejesus you people are dumb>>1083331>Yeah, because these people totally aren't real. All the extremist feminists we see are just optical illusions.Pretty much. You people seeing a "feminist threat" are a bunch of hilarious chicken littles.
>>1083225>Sorry, neo-nazis are an example of social conservatism.No they aren't. They are radicals and reactionaries, not conservatives.
>>1083361>Most people on /pol/ seem to view /lgbt/ as our allies. It'll never be true no matter how many times you repeat it.
>>1083371I can't even tell if you're a troll or a legitimately crazy person anymore. Radical and gender feminism is the driving force behind most negative thigns in modern society. Without them we could create a reasonable free and protected moderate world, and gays would be fine there.
>>1083325And you deserve to be skinned alive and boiled alive but I don't bring it up every half a second.
>>1083230That couldn't be further from the truth.Feminists hate 3/4 of the LGBT movement, but for some reason, keep trying to convince everyone that "they speak for us", in order to "fight against the patriarchy".Most of us found our way here because we are gay, lesbian, bi, or transgendered... but could not stand the hate-filed bile coming out of the "feminists" who claim to speak for us.
>>1083378Aww. Give e a hug, bro.
>>1083378Seriously, SRS, we warned you like 5 times. Stop pretending to be /pol/.
>>1083228>muh right to make money from the mentally ill's extreme wishes of self-mutilationThat isn't for the good of the Volk.
>>1083345just because /lgbt/ isn't an enemy doesn't mean they should be on our board schlomo
>>1083284Fuck off SRS.SRS-SJW mentality is clearly more the potent degeneracy, and and enlisting any less-offensive deviancy in rejecting SRS-SJW mentality should be welcomed.
>>1083374Conservatism means a preference for keeping things as they have traditionally been, in the case of social conservatism this would mean maintaining women as second-class citizens, gays as non-citizens, and blacks as non-human. These are neo-nazi ideals.
>>1083224>Yes goyim, don't unite!
>>1083371Explain how that's socially conservative?You have to look at it from my perspective here. It simply makes no sense for me to align myself with a group of people who tried to portray the shooting of Trayvon Martin as a white on black hate crime, and who at the same time say that black people can't be racist. From a self-preservation standpoint it would be downright stupid of me to subscribe to that ideology. I really don't see what's conservative about that.
>>1083331Everyone I've eve known who have thought there was a "feminist conspiracy" (not to mention a "Jewish conspiracy" or a "homosexual conspiracy," or often, some crazy combination of two or all of these) have seriously turned out to literally have severe paranoid schizophrenia....I'm not kidding, and it wasn't fun to watch. Maybe you should actually see about getting some help. But sadly, and again from my experience, people who are schizophrenic often don't see how ill they are. So I'll hope you're just a troll...
news and pol long time poster. I have nothing against the gays but I hate SRS and the (unreasonable)feminists with a passion.
>>1083344Depends on if you enjoyed it
>>1083382>the driving force
>>1083378Whenever /lgbt/ is brought up on /pol/, the majority of posters respond favorably. You could argue that this is just SRS tactics at work, but that seems unlikely.What would SRS have to gain by promoting relations between /lgbt/ and /pol/? What would der juden have to gain from promoting relations between one community of queerfolk and one community of rampant anti-semites?
>>1083350>Because they an instrument of the jews>falling for shit this easilyYeah, we should let white children be adopted by Shaqueesha and Jermone, I'm sure that will turn out well. I mean, they're a straight couple, what could go wrong?You can't turn people gay. It lacks both a genetic and environmental basis. There are people who are gay, but we don't understand why. Nobody does. The amount of homosexuality is neither increasing, nor decreasing, nor is it dependent upon race.Hating gays is literally just hacking away at your own movement, align with the Judean "divide and conquer tactics", in order to distract you from the -real- issues.I would have expected better from a fellow /pol/lock that falling for such a simplistic tactic.
Stop shipping us. /pol/ does not desire your degeneracy. I bet you guys aren't even cute.
>>1083382>Radical and gender feminism is the driving force behind most negative thigns in modern society."Radical and gender feminism" is the driving force behind corporate interference in politics? The prevention of the distribtution of wealth? Jobs being outsourced? Minorities being oppressed? Really?
>>1083382Any licensed professional would tell you you're exhibiting paranoid symptoms here. I honestly wish some of you would seek some help. You and the people in your lives would be happier and healthier.Sadly, no one is out to "get" you. The reason your life sucks is partly your fault, and partly because the world and life have always sucked. Seriously...calm down. Step beck.
>>10834214chan turned me gay. Checkmate.
>>1083425you're a dumb cunt aren'tcha
>>1083418Nothing, and that's the point.It's just typical divide and conquer tactics. They didn't work when this board was created, they haven't worked since then, and they aren't working now.I'm not sure why they're still trying. The whole "LET'S TURN /POL/ BORN AGAIN WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH" didn't work either.What will they try next?
>>1083239>but how much of /pol/ is bullshit trolls pretend to be nazi rednecks even though they might be liberal as fuck IRL?10%
>>1083429>licensed professionalThe same ones that push psychotropic pharms to get their paycheck?
>>1083418It''s their way of shoving tolerance down our throats. If /pol/ accepts the "normal" gays today they'll accept the flaming gays tomorrow.
>>1083437So I guess that means I completely obliterated you, then? Are you going to be able to get that stain out of your chair? Shall I send you some OxyClean or Kaboom?
>>1083447i highly doubt that would work as ever norm gay hate the flamers
>>1083307Would you let an unrelated man adopt a white child, or a single mother? No? Then why let two unrelated men, or two unrelated women who could decide to bring Jamal and Jaytronius into the relationship at any moment?
>>1083439Do you guys really think there are these vast swaths of people sitting around in rooms plotting your downfall? Question: are you also the /x/ posters who insist "ancient aliens" created mankind? Can you see how crazy the way you talk sounds to most people?Do you want to see these patterns because a chaotic world is too scary for you? I'm interested in the psychology behind this.
>>1083447They don't want /pol/ to tolerate gays though. As others have already said, femcunts hate 3/4 of the LGBT crowd. Whether they're normal gays or flaming homosexual fags, to the SRS they're still white males who need to check their white/male/thin privilege.
Goddamn these debates frustrate me sometimes. I don't even know why, maybe because there's so much condescension>alternate point of view is put forth>SANCTIMONIOUS 'CONCERNED' PSYCHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSIS WITH SARCASTIC WELL-WISHINGCome on, guys.
>>1083370Nope.
>>1083449nah m8, just droppin by to call you a cunt.shave your legs and straighten your hair, you look disgusting.
>>1083460What does feminism have to do with /pol/ and /lgbt/?
I have no fucking idea what is going on in this thread.
>>1083455It's common knowledge that both SRS and the JIDF post disinfo on /pol/.
Wat
>>1083452single fathers rank higher then single mothers.
>>1083468So you were just completely eviscerated, totally and utterly defeated in every sense of the word, before you even posted? That's a shame.
>>1083469It's a common enemy both share I guess.
>>1083400No, those are reactionary principles, though those aren't what people talk about anyway. Second-class citizens would mean that women would be taxed more, have fewer legal rights and protections, etc.; gays have never been "non-citizens"; blacks have never be considered "non-human", though they have - in the very distant past - been considered less valuable than whites, and this is in America only. Your exaggerations are false and your assertion that that is what conservativism means is fucking retarded.
>>1083396What a coincidence. I never said they should be on our board.
>>1083480Single fathers certainly, but adoptive ones?
>>1083463I'm actually not being sarcastic. It's sad to see where this leads sometimes. I do think most people on 4chan are just either trolls or jerks, but there's no doubt this is a place for people with legitimate illnesses to allow them to flourish. And it really hurts real people.Some people I once cared about escaped onto boards like 4chan. Or actually, this board in particular. It was safer for them then confronting reality, and it didn't end well. Sometimes, I wish more people cared.Honestly, at least in the U.S., mental illness is far more misunderstood and discriminated against than being gay, female...a lot of things. It's unfortunate we're so far behind on understanding why it happens. Nothing is so devastating to families, honestly.So I do care. I just feel that there's not much I can do about it.
>>1083484And what are you trying to accomplish?
>>1083489i would think so.two mothers is at the bottom.
>>1083485>No, those are reactionary principles,No, those are the principles as they have been traditionally held for the majority of recorded human history. Women have traditionally had fewer legal rights and protections, gays have been typically been considered CRIMINALS, and blacks in predominately white countries have been considered a different SPECIES.>Your exaggerations are falseAnd you absolutely no concept of the words you're using, dumbfuck.
>>1083469SJWs (read: feminists, fat activists, etc) want to annex the LGBT movement into their own. /pol/ hates SJWs, and the LGBT community doesn't want to be coddled by fatties and femcunts in order to further their own agendas.
>>1083455>ad hominem, ignoring of past evidence, denial of guiltsrs plz.
>>1083501You want nothing more to be coddled. LGBT is evidence if that. All of you want a new fucjing pronoun invented just because you exist.
>>1083404Lol. Okay. Your desperation is showing. Conservatives might be stupid, but I'll have to see your credentials before declaring anyone who thinks there is a homosexual agenda is a paranoid schizophrenic.Realistically though, why do it? You're not making your life any better. You're not helping anyone else. You're just a cunt who likes to hurt others to make up for your own poor body image. But I forgive you. If you leave SRS, and maybe exercise a little more, we'll still allow you to join the collection of people who actually care about the world.
>>1083500>No, those are the principles as they have been traditionally held for the majority of recorded human history.Stop blindly swallowing feminist and other assorted progressivist propaganda. >gays have been typically been considered CRIMINALSIf homosexual acts are illegal, then a gay person having homosexual sex is a criminal. If your country banned breathing tomorrow, would you be a law-abiding citizen just because you disagree with the ban? A criminal is not a non-citizen.>and blacks in predominately white countries have been considered a different SPECIES.They basically are different sub-species.
>>1083447>It''s their way of shoving tolerance down our throats. If /pol/ accepts the "normal" gays today they'll accept the flaming gays tomorrow.That seems unlikely.The typical polgbt anon seems to be pretty 'hetronormative'. They support gay people and gay marriage as long as they otherwise act like normal people, they support transpeople as long as they fully transition and then act like a normal cisperson. If anything they are even more hostile and opposed to all forms of feminism and Tumblr/Reddit tier sexualities and genders than normal /pol/lacks. I've noticed two trends for gay male /pol/ acceptance. They accept very femme gays who act like a woman in a gay relationship (guys who are borderline trans), they also accept old school 'sacred band' masculine gays (there's also a lot of pseudo Greco-Roman fascism tied into that). They do not accept any variance in gender roles./pol/ is all about liberal/conservative culture wars, accepting /pol/lacks are anons who have managed to mentally fit gay people into part of what they consider 'normal' culture.
>>1082884>The majority of /pol/ shitheadeds are well-to-do white kids that are living on their parents dime, they have absolutely shit to say about "ill-gotten wealth" or living independently. The whole site, /pol/ included, is nothing but an echochamber of fucking back-pattery anywayThat describes the entirety of the internet.Great work, Schlomo.
>>1083469Is this a joke, or a troll?Feminists have been trying to co-opt /lgbt/ to turn it into their own "4CHAN WYMYN SAFE SPACE" since it was created. It was only due to the diligent efforts of actual 4chan users that this was prevented. This is what always happens on college campuses, by comparison, where this is a much stronger feminist presence than LGBT presence.It has everything to do with creating a forum by which LGBT discussions may take place, outside the pre-approved, politically correct feminist perspectives which they try to flood us with.
>>1083508Wrong, the pronoun bullshit is yet another invention of the social justice warriors.
>>1083429>your life sucks.My life doesn't suck. I speak for the actually oppressed, since I'm a nice person.You bring up a good point though. People who are anti feminist are generally people whose life sucks. Because oh, wait! They are the ones who are actually being fucked over are ALSO being demonized, and attempted to be even further fucked over by them. The "white male" elites are not being hurt by feminism in case you haven't noticed. They are literally the ones who sold it to you for a profit.
>>1083449The person who responded to you wasn't even me. Do you even know how anonymous boards work?(P.S. The elites are the ones who sold you gender feminism. They are not actually being hurt by it. So these are the same problem.)
>>1083527These people can only understand caring about issues that directly affect them.
>>1083463SRS is insane. And their only way to make it look otherwise is with intense mockery and shouting and fallacies. What did you expect, once this can of worms was opened?
>>1083519>That describes the entirety of the internet.Yeah, I know. It fucking sucks. I hate you fucking nerds.
>>1083472An insane bitch is desperately trying to pretend she won arguments, and some trolls are pretending to be a nazi. Everyone else is trying to calm down the harpy. (It is possible that she herself is the one pretending to be an anti-gay nazi, but we are not sure.)
>>1083425>The prevention of the distribtution of wealth? Jobs being outsourced? Minorities being oppressedThere's actually a lot more truth to that than you would like to believe.Feminism was originally engineered not to liberate women, but to flood the labor market. It's purpose was to drive down the price of labor for the ultimate profit of corporate businessmen. Of course, this hit the lower classes the hardest. Even throughout America's most substantial economic growth, working class families earned less post-feminism than they did before, even with two incomes. Feminism was designed to serve the benefit of wealthy capitalists. It continues to be led by those who do not have the best interests of women in mind."No one is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them." Women's Studies and Sociology certainly aren't exempt.
I wish we could all just get along. Feminists and LGBT unite!Down with the white oppressor!
>>1083537>SRS is insane. And their only way to make it look otherwise is with intense mockery and shouting and fallacies.It's what they do.They attack people they disagree with, if the person refutes them they immediately drop to retarded personal attacks and claim they are just 'trolling'.That type of thing works on Reddit, less so here.
>>1083520fucking this
>>1083400Nope, try again. Conservatism relative to modern day means making sure there is some hesitancy before bad changes are made in order to test them out.
>>1075632 (OP)the funny thing about transgenders is that they are walking monuments attesting to the fact that there are definite gender roles that can be identified, embodied, and acted upon (which of course has brought them into conflict with feminism, as is inevitable among those who embrace the contradictory theology of leftist pluralism).personally though, ive come to see the myopic obsession with 'identity' as a consequence of post-modern attacks on goal oriented/judgmental ideology. the listless, lacking all context or frame of reference, must then simulate it.you will be who you will be, we are our choices.
>>1083527Can you actually give me a non-crazy way that feminism is hurting anyone? Men being drafted pre-dates feminism, as is the idea that only women should take care of children, which seems to be the reason children are so often awarded to the mothers.Otherwise, feminism hasn't changed life that much. Yes, more women are in the workplace. Yes, that is mathetically bad (in some ways) for men, just as it is a negative for whites that various mainorities now have the opportunity to be hired instead. But it just takes a quick bit of research to determine that overwhelmingly, the power structure is male, and those making the hiring and firing choices are male. In both business and government.I know feminism hasn't hurt me. I'm still usually hired over women who have the same qualifications. If I were an engineer, many races and women (along with other minorities) would get more consideration for the "token"/affirmative action bit, but that's it. How has it honestly hurt you?Everyone with the power to influence my life is also a man.
>>1083548srs pls
>>1083545>Feminism was originally engineered not to liberate women, but to flood the labor market. It's purpose was to drive down the price of labor for the ultimate profit of corporate businessmen.Women are also proven to be more easily to manipulate through advertising and emotional appeals.They spend more money than men which increases profits.
>>1083566This is very true as well.
/pol/ and /lgbt/ seem very tsundere for each other.
>>1083553Their tactic is useless because there's no names here to shame or tarnish reputations to. Everything is judged strictly by what you write here.
>>1083560>overwhelmingly, the power structure is JewishFTFY
>>1083560>Can you actually give me a non-crazy way that feminism is hurting anyone? Men being drafted pre-dates feminism, as is the idea that only women should take care of children, which seems to be the reason children are so often awarded to the mothers.Women only gain custody of children over men due to the 'tender years doctrine' which was one of the first Feminist campaigns. The reason Mothers receive custody of children over Fathers is due to feminism. The biggest modern day opposer's of presumed equal custody of children are feminists.
>>1083545holy shit you fucking peopleEngineered by who?
/lgbt/ please just stay away when we have NEET threads. I don't want you to see us like that. W-we're strong and independent.
>>1083566Even if that's true, men came up with and enacted it, not women.This also ignores that women-led households have always existed. Maybe a woman's husband died, or was injured at war, and could no longer work. Many women still needed to work throughout all of human history, but only had access to bottom-rung jobs. This hurt not only the women but their male dependents (such as children and husbands) as well.Still, for most of history, the majority of people have been poor and oppressed. But mostly men have been the ones in positions to be able to oppress. Which doesn't mean women aren't just as oppressive, just that they haven't had the opportunity to be, in most cases.The very rich, the people at the very top; it frankly doesn't matter what race, sexuality, or gender you are in most cases. Your money is what matters.
>>1083590
>>1083599more divide & conquer tactics
Now that I really think about it, the feminists are behaving in a manner very similar to jews.They are anti-White, anti-Male, anti-Family, they act like they are the 'chosen' sex and everybody else is just there to serve them.Gaybros, I had my doubts but now I can see you are like our version of the Japanese, fighting the common enemy.
>>1083560Take practically any example of how "THE PATRIARCHY HURTS MEN TOO", and realize this harm is entirely the fault of feminists.For baby-tier obviousness, lets take "MUH BODY MUH CHOICE". What they leave out is the fact that if "their choice" is to have a baby, the man must pay for it for the next 18 years of their life, or go to prison. If they don't want to have a baby, tough shit, they have not choice, and must pay for it anyway, or go to prison.Despite this, feminists keep screaming about "choice", where women have multiple choices, and men have none.On a less obvious tier, consider domestic abuse. It is slightly more common for men to be domestically abused by their wives than women, but nobody knows this. This is not due to "patriarchal double standards", but because most studies done on the incidence of domestic abuse completely ignore the incidence of men being domestically abused by wives, in order only concentrate on how many women are domestically abused... in order to fabricate an issue of inequality, that actually affects men more than women.You can do the same thing about rape statistics, when you consider the fact that "forced envelopment", combined with prison rapes, makes "female rape" an almost irrelevant minority compared to the number of men that are raped every year.Yet "men's spaces", in literally any given aspect of society, do not have the same government or institutional funding that "women's spaces" do, despite the fact that men are in far greater need of it.It's all fun and games until you find yourself in one of their positions, getting completely screwed over by feminists.
>>1083560Well, what is more or less considered the core feminist issue in the west in modern day. The one they don't care who it hurts because ideologically they think it's necessary for... ??? anyways. Even though we now have the technology to solve the "problem" in ways where no one gets hurt, but that's "not good enough," because ???. Involving the group that has been the most marginalized in all of history, and which continues to be to this day because of people who refuse to accept that consequences of their actions are a real thing?Indeed. People like you are trash. Fortunately technology will eventually solve this problem. (In a way you will dislike, no less.)
>>1083605Now you see./pol/ is always right, even when outside of /pol/.
>>1079696not possible, truth has reached a critical mass in /pol/andwe get waves of the bluekin but it just turns us into a larger and larger mass of redkinthe jews have lost, the war is won even if we have a few battles yet to fight
>>1083589>The reason Mothers receive custody of children over Fathers is due to feminismExcept they don't. Women have custody in the majority of cases when the parents mediate and decide on their own. When a court decide in almost half the cases there is joint custody.
>>1083617>/pol/ is always right, even when outside of /pol/./pol/ is always right because it has collective amnesia every time it is wrong.
>>1083493/pol/ doesn't have problems. What we have is "tired of MSM manipulative bullshit."The group of people that parades the horrible things that happens to the /lgbt/ community and links you to violent feminists is the SAME GROUP THAT SAYS YOU ARE DEGENERATES TO THE PEOPLE THAT OPPRESS YOU!/pol/ is not insane. You are.
>>1083127>Now people post crime statistics by race, racial IQs, AIPAC funding, etc.this is what really rustles the jimmies of the kikesthey don't care about you posting NIGGER XD but the second you start talking about how great our greatest ally is, oi vey, its like the shoah all over again
>>1083560The old waves of feminism aren't bad. The new wave feminism has a subculture of misandrist cultural marxists who have perverted the ideas of their foremothers to justify their smear campaign against men.Thankfully, they haven't had much of an impact on society yet, but their goal is to normalize their radical ideas, and that could be very damaging to men and young boys. Also, they're very tough to argue with because they resort to fallacies and deflections when ever you levy criticism of their beliefs. /pol/ btw
>>1083627bullshit
>>1083589>>1083589...really? Are you making that argument?The Custody of Infants Act was in 1839. Nothing like the modern feminist movement, or even modern feminist ideas, existed at the time. We are talking about nearly two centuries ago."Tender years" has steadily eroded since the 20th century, when the modern feminist movement took hold. Certainly in the EU. Even the said Custody of Infants Act was predicated on the idea that very young children (under seven) "naturally" had to be with their mums. Most feminists would call that "gender essentialist today.That fact that Ms. Norton was a bit of a proto-feminist does not mean her reasoning squares with proto-feminists today.
>>1083599Theres a bunch of these /pol/ did it with every /polgbt/ comic. They are so tsundere.
>>1083560Fathers' rights, demonization of whites/males in general. The latter especially because it not only creates issues for men, but also further trivializes legitimate issues that men face (ie: male rape).
>>1075632 (OP)/pol/ doesn't hate gays anymore than any other board. Nice propaganda liberal faggot.
>>1083645>implying pol really edited these
>>1083515Some of us sincerely don't give a shit how gay you want to be. I don't like the condescension of the feminist etc movement. I think it's dangerous for gays to latch onto the "ALWAYS A VICTIM" mentality, because what they are facing requires strength, not whining. I think gays could have made a happy alliance with womens suffrage/first wave feminism. But an "EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET ME" attitude like the feminists have will only further alienate gay culture. I really do care about you guys. I don't want to see you become parodies of yourselves. This is coming from a very moderate libertarian /pol/ster. You have the personal freedom to do what you wish - and in this case, I support it. Be gay and happy. But oppressed people have a tendency to come out of it crazy. I want you guys to win your battles, get your rights, and settle down into society. Black culture and feminism never calmed down and it's ended terribly. I don't want that for the gays.
>>1083201it's more like the lolbertards got red pilledsynthetic ideologies go to /pol/and to diefeminism, lolbertards, marxism, doesn't matter ... all dead in the wateryou really can't even paint /pol/and as nazis because everyone knows hitler was the spawn of a rothschild and offered jews free passage to israel, and that the british staged the war to fulfill their end of the balfour accords
>>1083586Exactly. In a completely neutral, anonymous environment the entire framework their ideologies rely on fall apart because it's so riddled with hyprocrisy and doublethink. The success of feminism is due to two things:1. When white women cry, people sympathize.2. Their hegemony in academia, particularly humanities and social science.Nobody needs to pretend to support feminism for the approval of their friends and educators when they're anonymous.
>>1083292how do we distinguish between SRS and organizing for action (obamabot) shills? the democlaps think they own niggers and gays too, they are even trying to lay claim to spics now
/pol/ here.give me a thing one with long hair who reads ayn rand and i'm game
>>1083643But here's the problem. Feminists may claim to be against courts privileging mothers in adoption cases, but they don't do anything about it. They claim that these systemic biases are all products of patriarchal norms, which may be true, but that argument is just an implicit way of saying, "That's your problem, men. You made this patriarchy, now lie in it." That's pretty flawed reasoning IMO, because the men who are being screwed by gender biases aren't necessarily the same men who are being privileged by the system as a whole.
>>1083654>hitler was the spawn of a rothschild and offered jews free passage to israel, and that the british staged the war to fulfill their end of the balfour accordsthis
>>1082884I would say that those down in the trenches, exposed to the worst of what over-permissiveness, multiculturalism and corporate greed has to offer are the ones most likely to take the red pill."Kids living on their parents dime" are the most likely to be insulated from the negative effects of such things and therefore the most likely to push the SJW agenda.
>>1083607My apologies, but I as man who wants no children, I cannot sympathize with one who makes the foolish mistake of impregnating some woman. We have these things called "condoms." During sex with either gender, they're a good idea. Often life-saving.As for abuse and rape, I admit I am no someone who believes there is no difference between the genders. Men do tend to be stronger than women, over the broadest trend. I do believe that male rape and male domestic abuse are under-reported, but even on these very boards, men seem to be inundated with harassment from other men when they report having been victimized. Usually questioning their sexuality. So I find it difficult to believe only women are responsible!I'm afraid I'll have to ask to see sources on those statistics. Again these are under-reported, but I am doubtful they are the majority, at least among the adult population.
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>>1082884>shitheadssrs pls
>>>/pol/18455557
>>1083655Makes you wonder how many people out there are only pretending to be apart of these kind of groups purely by social pressure and deep down think it's all bullshit too?
>>1082884I wouldn't say we're well-to-do. We're definitively frustrated young men, that's for sure. But that's not far from the frustrated young women who predominantly make up the internet feminist culture.
>>1083607I remember the story of that one man who set up a shelter for abused men in Canada. He committed suicide after his organization was attacked again and again by feminists, which, I believe, led it to be defunded because of it undermining womyn's rights or some such bullshit. I think it closed down after he killed himself, too. When I've brought up that story before, people even respond to it with, "Yes, but men don't need a shelter, because they have their own house and they don't need to be protected like women do", lol.
>>1083689The greatest love story ever told.
remove lgbt
>>1083694Exactly, and both the Internet MRA culture and the Internet feminist cultures are equally obnoxious and stupid and entitled. Why don't you go find some nice place to scream at each other away from the rest of us.
>>1083037>look at me im a real hard liberal i grew up on the streets!!!
>>1083684>We have these things called "condoms.">muh condom manufacturer propagandaThey aren't 100%. The only way to be certain that you won't have a child is to abstain from heterosexual sex.
>>1083693it goes much deeper than that post suggestsin america all of our opposition leaders are assassinated, jailed, housed in mental institutions, or some suchpeople know society is fucked and want to be part of something to change it, but frankly most people lack the skills to articulate what is wrong or how to make it bettertherefore you see the plebs attach themselves to emotionally appealing but intellectually wrong positions such as feminism or even men's rights, econuts, lolbertards, etc.the plebs are given just as many fringe ideologies to fall into as they are flavors of soda, but none really represent true choice. they are all carefully crafted synthetic ideologies designed to (1) not solve any real problems, (2) never reach critical mass and (3) antagonize the population against each other
>>1083640Are you capable of reading comprehension? Nothing in that image contradicts what I said, that is, that courts give joint custody in almost half the cases, and it's when the parents decide on their own that they almost always decide to give custody to the mom. And that's beside the use of an image collecting various statistics, some from blogs no less, cited out of context.
>>1083693Tell me about it. I'm a /pol/ frequenter. I graduated from a top liberal arts school with a partial focus in English. It's useful when I can troll Tumblr feminists because I've read more of their theorists than they have.
>>1083707i just wanted to post that.
>>1083704Then do that. Is it because I'm a bisexual man that I don't see the big deal? But if you're really completely straight, then don't have PIV intercourse or use a fleshlight (or other toy) instead. There are many available.I'm afraid I really don't see the problem. Sex is potentially fatally risky whether pregnancy is a issue or not, after all.
>>1083702>Why don't you go find some nice place to scream at each other away from the rest of us.This is 4chan, pal. Years ago, if you wanted to scream at the world and be edgy then this was the place to be. Only recently has the site become host to you casualfags.
>>1083704And even then someone might pull a "virgin mary" on you>Oh anon, we've been blessed us with this child!
>>1083107>Muh 20 million
>>1083700Oh, those Russians.
>>1083706This guy gets it.
>>1083704Or use multiple forms of BC. I typically go with the pill and diaphragm. Used to use condoms, but after two years of monogamy I no longer concern myself with STDs
>>1083713Why, are you stupid?
>>1083716I agree with you, brother. >>1083722>tfw a court would side with the woman and would claim that you really did fuck her, meaning you'd have to pay for child support anyway
>>1083728>the pillWhy do you hate male fish?
>>1083731i just wanted to show what evil beasts women truly are when it comes to children.
>>1083722If it's such a concern, why not just stop dating women? Although I must say I've never heard of a case of that. If it's ever happened, it must be very rare.
>>1083712you know, of all the places on the internet, /pol/and produces by far the most sophisticated casual conversations. sure, most of it is trash, but at least ALL of it isn't trash.I went to a top 10 school but down the STEM path instead of liberal arts, although with a keen interest in philosophy and debate .... no matter what I post someone on /pol/ will offer a rebuttal (if only as a devil's advocate) that makes me think if I ask for itgo somewhere left leaning and you can tell all of them work for the government or are freshman in college that suddenly feel enlightened and euphoric enough to spew bullshit from their mouths thanks to (whatever)101
DO YOU THINK THE MSM, THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE /lgbt/ COMMUNITY, PORTRAY HOMOSEXUALITY LIKE THIS: pic related...
>>1083736THIS THIS THIS!any woman that takes the pill needs to be killed!
>>1083430You mean 4chan made you realise that you was gay.
>>1083706Libertarianism is perfectly legitimate. We are NOT all anarcho-capitalists. Why can't people understand that? We just think government programs should be limited to the bare necessities, and superfluous programs like welfare and universal healthcare should be decentralized and regionally-determined.
>>1083736I don't hate male fish, I just hate my PMDD.
>>1083741...OR LIKE THIS: pic related?You say /pol/ has problems? Seriously?
>>1083560http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2012/10/hanna-rosin-admitting-decline-while-promoting-it/http://judgybitch.com/2013/08/03/slutty-feminist-women-with-fucked-up-personal-lives-are-heroes-slutty-feminist-men-with-fucked-up-personal-lives-are-mentally-ill-traitors-really-now-hugo-you-didnt-see-this-coming/
>>1083706Exactly, I've notice most of these ideologies actually help to further divides because they contradict themselves at their core. While they seek diversity for a fairer/freer society, they still desire to isolate themselves in their own subculture and ostracize outsiders who disagree. Can't have both at the same time.
>>1083755#RemoveHIV
>>1083737Why did you post a stupid image then? Are you stupid?
>>1083750Is it back to being genetics? Last I heard the argument changed from born this way to personal choice
>>1083037>a registered Democrat with Democrat parentsAdorable, you still think you are making a choice.
>>1083425It is part of a trend over the last 30 years or so where the left has relegated workers rights and economics to an afterthought while becoming obsessed with identity politics. Getting butthurt over bad words and "problematic" media isn't gonna bring jobs back to America or help its working class. Interesting how the average black wage hasn't risen in 3 decades, hmmm?
>>1083769woman pls
>>1083766>they still desire to isolate themselves in their own subculture and ostracize outsiders who disagreeThis is also encouraged by MSM sensationalist media that just gets the right and left flinging shit at each other and stifling meaningful dialogue.
>>1083628the happening is always happening, its not one happening, its dozen consecutive happenings.Faggot.
>>1083767Oh, Jew. I love how the MSM paraded that Russian parade.
>>1083785learn how statistics work pls
>>1083739Yeah, I won't try to argue that /pol/ is immune to group think, but it's definitively a space to test your assumptions and evaluate radical ideologies without fear of social repercussion. We have a number of retards and shit posters for certain, but they serve a purpose too. Their aggressiveness and total lack of respect for conventional beliefs and norms forces these social justice pseudo-intellectual types to actually defend the foundations of their ideology or GTFO, something that society clearly never challenged them to do.
>>1083764I don't see statistically insignificant reports of weirdos and psychopaths as evidence of a trend to be concerned with anymore than I consider Nessie sightings to be proof that there is a monster in Loch Ness.I'm sure these things do happen, as meteor strikes occasionally occur. But I don't go about concerned that I'll be struck on the head.
>>1083751Most lolbertards are austrians, who actually think higher interest rates are a good market clearing mechanism and advocate for the gold standard.I'm sorry, but this is kookery taken to the max. The Rothschild and Rockefeller dynasties funded the creation of your movement via the Mont Pelerin society.Every major religion in the world considers usury a sin. Yet austrians think you can have a healthy society with it. Nope, sorry, you are not wiser than all the elder sages that preceded you. When every last one of them disagrees with your ideology, it is time to consider the possibility that the shit you swallowed is really fucking kooky.The fact of the matter is that human disposition doesn't often lend itself to the best outcome. Simple things like the prisoner's dilemma shed light on the underlying principles, and history informs us of just and proper ways of organizing society to practically deal with something as complex as ourselves.For example, the American System of dirigism is the most successful mode of economy known to mankind, but incompatible with lolbertard worldview. The reason? It is designed to, among other things, drive usury out of the market by leveraging the power of the state to issue no interest credit. This is of course incompatible with the objectives of kikes, and therefore unthinkable to the lolbertardian dupe.
Heh fancy that,all this time I was under the impression that gayfags were all plebbit social justice warriors.
Those SRS landwhales must really be masochists. They can't stay away from /lgpt/ and /pol/
>>1080069> Complete buy out by corporations and the majority of the right wing conservative nut jubs control the major portions of government. Have blocked, temper tantrumed and basically tried to ruin America.> Some how thinks the 'Jews' and 'liberals' are in control.I wish half of what /pol/ said was true and the liberals really did control everything or had balls to take back the playing field. The problem is that once you get down past the blind propaganda of fox news there's just nothing left.
>>1083307More likely to harm the kids, still low chance but why risk it?
>>1083804Lolbertarian here.We know all about the concept of usury, but you should also know what happens to any country that manages to issue interest free credit. More interested in creating a movement that can fix as many problems as possible without summoning the full wrath of the kike.
>>1083823Again with this!'Lol mentally ill to disagree with me.''Lol only disagreeing because you watch Fox News (Getting your news and opinions from any television channel=stupid)'I'm not even a fan of /pol/ but you people really think you're much smarter then you really are.
>>1083842I never said they where mentally ill to disagree with me. Try reading next time, it's helpful.> I don't even own a TV. Waste of money.Its okay, you tried and that's what counts.
>>1083823The people in control of America (and most of the world) are not jews in the sense that you think they are. What you fail to realize is that judaism as expressed by the old testament is the exoteric version of freemasonry. Indeed, many rabbis have commented on the similarities between the rites of freemasonry and the esoteric teachings of their religion and the freemasons are also known as the "Order of Sion" and often refer to themselves as the "true" jewish people.Next you need to be made aware of the alliance between the British crown, freemasonry, and the jews in the more traditional sense of the word. What we are then looking upon is noble families of Europe (especially but not limited to the British crown), the secret societies of masonic origin, and the banking industry which is historically dominated by the "traditional" jewish people. It is true that jews do not entirely dominate banking today, but to the extent they have moved out of banking they have moved into other patsy-type roles such as leading feminism, austrian economics, keynesian economics, gay marriage, and so on. Social justice crap designed to distract from the overarching battle of the slave versus the master.The important actors of these networks are known and interconnected if you are interested.You can more or less identify all of the important players on the American scene since WW1 branching out from the associates of Prescott Bush, and prior to that the members of Skull & Bones roughly back to its formation in the early 19th century, thence to their ancestors roles working for the British crown, and it is even known the origins of these people beyond that to banking houses of Italy, noble houses of Europe, and the elite families of Rome.Ignorance of these matters is a condition that you choose to which you have chosen to subject yourself. Nevertheless, wrongheaded blabbering as if you know something when you have clearly never endeavored to learn is unforgivable.
>>1083837completely untenable position and you know iteither you are in it to win it or you need to get out of the game
>>1083804in my experience, an-claps and libergtarians are atleast not as immune to reason as other mainstream incluations.the left anarchists are very correct when they say that all property is hierarchy, the important metaphysical point however, is that 'property', as a state of affairs, is inevitable.naturally, any attempt to undo hierarchies will necessarily result in increasing dysfunction (and by extension, the apparent lack of hierarchy will be merely illusory). as we can see, 'popular government' and 'democracies', far from being progress, are infact degenerations of higher order, increasing universal entropy (indeed, what are commonly perceived as inequalities are in truth facets of a greater union). if you construct your system on the denial of hierarchy, it will naturally select for sovereigns who are most capable of subterfuge and disimulating their sovereignty.'popular government', then can be viewed as weak governance, and thus is highly dependent on hypnotizing the populace to achieve its aims (the more direct the 'democracy', the more supreme the brahmin informers are over society). in truth, freedom of opinion can only exist in in an environment where the people are incidental to sovereignty, authoritarian is not necessarily totalitarian.'they say what they want, and i do what i want' - otto von bismark
>>1083804Well argued, but the societies that condemned usury also didn't have much social mobility or innovation. I wouldn't be opposed to limiting interest rates, but that would be with the knowledge that the lower you artificially set interest rates, the less incentive there is to lend. That's just reality.I agree with you that phenomena like the prisoner's dilemma and the tragedy of the commons illustrate that SOME coercion is necessary to enforce collective action, but this coercion has diminishing success in what it tries to accomplish. The more you try to artificially control markets, the slower the money moves.And most of us "Lolbertarians" aren't necessarily fixated on installing atrict austrian economics. We are more into curbing this developing culture permeating politics that if there is a problem, the government needs to fix it.
>>108385710/10I haven't read a post which expresses something as complex as that with such eloquence in a while.thank you, /pol/
>>1083884wherever there is liberty, there is inequality.
>>1083857Do you have any literature on this? I'm genuinely curious.
You talking about the 'Jews' being the chosen people is what every single group of people have done since the beginning of time. Christians think they are the 'chosen' people. White people think they’re 'chosen'. Black people think they're 'chosen'.' The only way to combat such obvious non-sense is to showcase how there is no such thing as a 'better' type of people. The old testament is about as fucked up as you can get. Of that I have no argument because religion is all total bullshit nonsense. I'm not sure why you don't lump the Christians and the Muslims into it as they’re both cult offshoots of the same thing. Not only that but ALL three have wanted to theoretically take over the world...because that’s what bullshit (like religion and or nationalism) does to peoples brain. Makes them think they're better then others. Our problem right now is contrastive politicians blatantly voting against whats good for the public. Why don't you guys try and repeal obamacare for the forty first time because that’s not a big fucking waste tax payer money. It's not that almost all regulations that kept giant corporations in check have now been destroyed. It's defiantly not that regulations of the banking market lending out loans they know will default and making money by insuring their own losses. Keep marching on screaming about the 'Jews' while the Republican party tries to bring us back to the 1800s.
>>1083941was in response too >>1083857
>>1083129>Not supporting Israel is not indicative of anti-semitism.Mention that to some politicians, see how that goes over.
>>1083941Fuck off, commie scum.
>>1083946Fuck off nationalist pig. >>1083857 > Next you need to be made aware of the alliance between the British crown, freemasonry, and the jews in the more traditional sense of the word.It scares me to even imagine people like you in public policy. Almost everything you've spouted is ideology that’s been debunked by ever historian and only gets repeated by two types of people - Nationalists and Muslims.
>>1083944He never said anything about Jews being chosen people or any shit like that, but he did briefly and accurately outline a fairly dense and complex series of affairs.You on the other hand, sound like you wear a fedora and think Wal-Mart is pure evil.
>>1083941if you think the bible is bad, wait till you read the talmud.
>>1083941the leveling of preference is the fatal conceit of leftist pluralism. judgment is inherent to all that we do, every choice we make is an affirmation of the value of that choice over any other possible choice, and further, evidence of a definite process for obtaining that value.any attempt to deny judgment will naturally result in dysfunction, and at the least, will result in you defaulting to rational frameworks you are not so consciously aware of (like base insecurities, existential desires/impulses [ie, the modus operandi of sjws feelings brigades]).
>>1083951Uhh, fedoras are a guy thing. Nice insult though. I have no views on wal-mart. He also fairly outlined common made up notions that as I have said before - nationalist and Muslims have been trying to spread for the past 50-80 years. Maybe you should go back to the fedora wearing your self.
>>1083857Sounds intelligent, but what is the motive behind this complex system of supremacy? Monetary gain? What would Jews have to gain by leading the social justice movement solely in order to divide people? Do they do it knowingly or is it just a subconscious effectuation of self interest?
>>1075632 (OP)take the redpill /lgbt/http://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/07/26/volume-3-issue-4-popular-government/http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4440http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/5081
>>1083966Everyone judges to a certain degree because we're all mammals with pattern seeking tendencies. The way to combat this is thru science and experimental data. To keep emotion at bay and listen to the results. Race, Religion and other human made concept s are nothing more then tribalism. . You can feel it when one 'group' talks about anther. What we should be debating is what human made concepts actually make humanity better. (Which is why I'm a big supporter of 'Western' ideals) I don't even like that I have to 'defend' liberals because 'conservative' people are not the problem per-say. It's the leaders that use that platform to control the people. American conservatives politicians are more Ayn Rand then they ever will Jesus Christ but they find it useful to lump the two together.
>>1083973The fedora thing was immature and I apologize for that but fedoras are commonly associates with [spoiler]atheists[/spoiler] who like to shit on religion.But the only thing he said I that I can't accredit any truth to is the notion of the jews moving out of the banking industry and intentionally spreading crap like social justice. What other parts of that are 'made up notions' that nationalists and Muslims have been spreading for the past 50-80 years?
>>1083884>the left anarchists are very correct when they say that all property is hierarchyI do not care in the least for considerations such as hierarchy. Some people are smarter than others. Depending on circumstance, the ability or right to confer the benefit of hard work to your children may be prudent as a society. I do not believe in natural rights other than the innateness of agency. The sword is the law. The law is compromise.These philosophical questions aside, the organizing principle of society should be the advancement of mankind on the basis of widely shared economic progress.I find that lolbertards (and various other fringe ideological persuasions) are often more interested in abstractions about rights or what is proper. This is interesting stuff that I have entertained in the past as an intellectual, but truthfully has little relevance to the vast majority of mankind or the functional ways that you go about uplifting their condition in life.The promotion of science and the destruction of usury are the only two proven methods in history. I find them to be both reliable and sufficient and therefore do not maintain much of a political interest outside their scope. In other words, political advocacy should more or less begin and end with the American System of dirigism, alternatively known as Hamiltonianism.As an aside, it is my belief that lolbertards will get most of what they desire in terms of social arrangements from a realization of widely shared economic progress, so our end goals are not incompatible though I find your path towards such goals unworkable and even contemptible in its absurdity.
>>1084010>Race, Religion and other human made concept s are nothing more then tribalismlol, not even going to get into that, but out-group preference even on an abstract level is mal-adaptive for obvious reasons.actually, i will get into that.http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.htmlhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886911000912http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspxhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacyhttp://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.phphttp://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/getfile.php?file=Race.pdf
>>1083894> but that would be with the knowledge that the lower you artificially set interest rates, the less incentive there is to lendThis is the purpose of a national bank with essentially unlimited lending capacity by virtue of it's unique ability to leverage future economic output in the present as the most stable form of enterprise.This is why Hamilton was wrong and the Aaron Burr brigade, Jefferson and Jackson among them, were traitors.
>>1084023> Indeed, many rabbis have commented on the similarities between the rites of freemasonry and the esoteric teachings of their religion and the freemasons are also known as the "Order of Sion" and often refer to themselves as the "true" jewish people.Well that entire sentence has no historical backing. So we're off to a good start.> Next you need to be made aware of the alliance between the British crown, freemasonry, and the jews in the more traditional sense of the word. Once again as their is no proof of this concept, still waiting for the sources.>It is true that jews do not entirely dominate banking today, but to the extent they have moved out of banking they have moved into other patsy-type roles such as leading feminism, austrian economics, keynesian economics, gay marriage, and so on. Social justice crap designed to distract from the overarching battle of the slave versus the master.What he's trying to say is most Jews because they're 'Reform' Jews happen to be liberal. If this where a Wikipedia article, every fucking sentence would need "Citation needed" after it. If he tried to publish his views in Academia he would be either laughed at or completely debunked by any historian. Pick your choice. Sounding smart doesn't do you any good if all you peddle is lies and bullshit.
>>1083939Cover the following material, preferably in order:How the Nation Was Won - LowryTreason in America - ChaitkinLord Palmerston's Zoo Lectures - VariousUnauthorized Bush Sr. Biography - TarpleyAgainst Oligarchy collection of essays - TarpleyThis is a few thousand pages worth of content already and represents a fairly comprehensive overview of the topics. I suspect that you will be sufficiently well informed afterwards to lead yourself in further research.
>>1082963>dat strung up SRS legbeard in the backgroundoh anon-kun ~~
>>1082965>on-disc DRMDid you perchance mean DLC?
>>1084042in any moneyed society, whoevers charge is the issue of money and monetary policy, is the natural sovereign of that land.the ignorance of the european aristocracy of this dynamic was a power vacuum that otherwise marginalized jews (rothschilds) filled, and ultimately led to the usurpation of that order.
>>1084010Saying "it's all a social construct!" is meaningless. All that matters in this world are what we feel about things. Humans are the rulers of this earth, not a lofty ideal of "fairness" or "muh reason and logic!".
>>1082969>Your every single argument is still invalid.As are your made-up anecdotes.
>>1084042>the organizing principle of society should be the advancement of mankind on the basis of widely shared economic progress.Why? Justify your claim.>I do not believe in natural rights other than the innateness of agency. The sword is the law. The law is compromise.You are conflating the "natural" rights of a republic (which are really just norms) with the realist understanding of force as the sole measure of power.Libertarians value "natural" rights on the basis of self-interest. It is in our collective self-interest to establish norms like nobody should be killed in self interest or no property should be stolen in self interest. We don't actually believe that there is any transcendental basis to rights other than as an instrumental tool of establishing a peaceful society.
>>1083981>What would Jews have to gain by leading the social justice movement solely in order to divide people?What wouldn't they have to gain? Jews have lost out again and again as a result of unity under one banner, whether that's a strong Christian front or a strong national one. It's an incredible evolutionary strategy but one which has not adapted to the existence of Israel.
>>1084047http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.htmlhttp://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102%20%28spring%2001%29/articles/AAPA_race.pdfhttp://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/race-finishedMany of those links you had deal with social abilities, crime and other sociologically concepts that are in no way have any baring on biological classification.
>>1083295>"social justice warrior" boogeymenhahaha oh wowFirst day on the chonz? Try harder SRS.
>>1083981To appreciate the answer to this question you must be familiar with the origin of secret societies, why they emerged in the first place, t heir relationship to judaism, and so on.This is an extraordinarily complex series of topics. What I can briefly say is that the position of jews as leaders (in modernity) of social justice movements and (historically) banking enterprises is a result of society being manipulated to leave little else open to them.In your history classes you are often taught about disjoint eras such as the Greek and Roman empires, the dark ages, the Renaissance, and so on, but the truth is that history is much more continual and the connections between these "periods" much more intimate than the average child walks away believing. Societal structures once established are very persistent and it is at once true that (1) the circumstances of early historic society greatly influence what we have to today down to fine detail like the role that jews play as well that (2) an in-depth scholarly appreciation of early society leaves much of the future course of events predictable.We have sufficient evidence to document the emergence of ideas in the language that are taken for granted today but were absolutely revolutionary when they appeared, specifically ideas that have nothing to do with natural law or science. For example, the concept of love first emerged in the middle of the Greek era and represented more of a kinship among men than anything, but given the somewhat high prevalence of homosexual relations took on a more romantic connotation and was eventually catapulted onto the world stage as a facet of the Christian revolution in which Jesus himself popularized the concept of romantic heterosexual love as we comprehend it today.
>>1084049I don't see how opposition to a national bank by Jeffersonian Republicans would make them traitors...All you've done is monopolized the lending power of a society. It has its uses, but at the same time, it's an artificial hand in the market. You're using other people's money to shape a society's industry into what you arbitrarily want, which may be good for serving your interests, but not necessarily the interests of individuals. I don't oppose all forms of collective lending, but a monopolization of lending in the hands of wannabe society-architects puts the future of industry in the hands of human beings rather than what public demand naturally dictates.
>>1084066k thanks
>>1083404>oh shit they're on to me>DAMAGE CONTROL DAMAGE CONTROL DAMAGE CONTROLYou seem to have conveniently forgotten about all the times SRS have been caught with their hairy paw in the cookie jar.
>>1084128continued*This notion of romantic heterosexual love was quite scandalous, and you can see the effects of its novelty in that some attempted to cover up or downplay the relationship between Jesus and Mary, whereas other gospels acknowledge that she was elevated above the other disciples or the greatest among the disciples.This does not surprise you as one who is quite well adjusted to the elevated status of females today, but was completely novel when it happened.There are many more examples of things which seem "built into" our psyche today but played no part in the cognition of our relatively recent ancestors. Language informs thought and the circumstances of society in an incredibly deep way.
>>1084086Uh, how does identifying that is's a social construct constitute meaningless? I would say that's a very meaningful statement when we can differentiate between what is biologically and what is human conceived.Actually how we 'feel about things' is whats wrong with many groups of people. This is why "I feel evolution didn't happen" is an idiotic statement and should be ridiculed. Their are such things as truths in the universe. Mathematics is one of them, the data we collect in Cosmology is anther.It bothers me on a deep level that you feel we're 'rulers' of earth. Humans are defiantly something amazing and truly rare when it comes to other life forms(both in good and bad ways), try not to muddy it up even more by thinking we're kings and queens. I wish more people would stick with 'trying to be fair' and listening to reason and logic - we would be much better off as a species.
>>1084083>the ignorance of the european aristocracy of this dynamic was a power vacuum that otherwise marginalized jews (rothschilds) filled, and ultimately led to the usurpation of that order.I suggest that you read Tarpley's lecture series Against Oligarchy, particularly those concerning the origins of the Venetian banking system and it's migration to the Netherlands and thence England, as well as Lord Palmston's Zoo lecture series. It will clarify exactly what ignorance existed, among whom it existed, and give you a much clearer view of the people who constitute the present day oligarchy. The "Rothschilds," while important, is more often just a simple cop-out that are ascribed out-sized power relative to reality by the infowars type crowd.
>>1084114>race is all a social construct because anything that disagrees with my hypothesis is a social construct
>>1084158>Uh, how does identifying that is's a social construct constitute meaningless?That's certainly how people see it today. "Muh patriarchy is a social construct, let's abolish it!"Fairness would be meritocracy and societies set up according to the strengths of each individual group, but unfortunately Eurocentrism is dominant.
>>1083560>Men being drafted pre-dates feminism, as is the idea that only women should take care of children, which seems to be the reason children are so often awarded to the mothers.How do children without a strong father figure/presence turn out, on average?>Yes, more women are in the workplace.Increased labour force => lower wages>Everyone with the power to influence my life is also a man.Oh hoho oh u
>>1084093>Why? Justify your claim.It is as close a natural law as you can get.All forms of life increase their energy throughput or suffer mass depopulation.The interest in eugenics has more to do with the laws of thermodynamics than the morality of the elite in my opinion. Eugenics first became popular shortly before the emergence of the Haber process for nitrogen fixing, which resulted in the ability to produce much better fertilizer and therefore vastly expanded capacity of mankind to feed itself. The Haber process is why interest in eugenics died down shortly after it got stated, not because of some inherent moral revulsion to the policies of the elite.As we approach apparent resource limitations once again due to years of stagnation under usurious regime of the Federal Reserve, we once again find ourselves facing dire circumstances of an apparent mad elite with a fetish for eugenics.I do not ascribe the level of rationalism in this post to them, but ultimately they are just once again adopting ideology that the reality of thermodynamics brings to the fore. I believe they see themselves as intellectuals with rationalizations for their positions like the will to power or might makes right and so on, but the underlying phenomena are clear as is the means of addressing it: science and an attack on usury.
>>1084172I have no 'feelings' on the issue. Bring me scientific data. When all you can link is bullshit social sciences about crime rates and IQ levels, I'm fairly sure that you don't care what the facts are.There is sub classifications of human. Hell there's not even a concrete accepted definition of 'Race'. We're all homo-sapain sapain. I know science is so cruel isn't it?
>>1084187So you're saying that because other people cry foul and give emotional response we should too? Fairness rarely plays well with people but we should be working on making every country a 'first world' country. Not by force but by being education so people can learn that a Republic with Democracy actually is a better way for people to get their freedom.
>>1084197Different races have different physiology and psychology due to their different genetic make-up. It isn't mind-blowing, but anti-racialists think that evolution stops at the skin.
>>1084133>it's an artificial hand in the marketArtificial means nothing, nor is the free market an inherent good. I contend, for example, that monopolies are both an inevitably product of the free market and contrary to economic advancement, though this point will prove impossible to dispute with you because you will rest comfortably upon the observation that there is no true scotsman.>but a monopolization of lending in the hands of wannabe society-architects puts the future of industry in the hands of human beings rather than what public demand naturally dictates.The original national bank programs made credit available to all productive enterprise, even as venture credit (upstart businesses or farming enterprises). Of course I recommend a similar policy rather than the exclusionary practices reminiscent of the Federal Reserve and their discount window, but it is true that this is not guaranteed by anything other than the threat of violent revolt by the masses.
>>1083684>We have these things called "condoms."You're an absolute retard. Condoms are not 100% protection from neither STDs or pregnancy. The female can poke a hole in the condom with a needle, impregnate herself using the spent condom, supply you with an ancient condom more prone to burst etc.
>>1084208Not by force but with education.*
>>1084208>Fairness rarely plays well with people but we should be working on making every country a 'first world' country. Not by force but by being education so people can learn that a Republic with Democracy actually is a better way for people to get their freedom.>Every country must be identical to white countries, because white countries are obviously superior and one-size-fits-all - we're all the same on the inside, after all!>Every country must be like the US because the US is perfect and is obviously the best system because the US is perfect!
>>1083716>Sex is potentially fatally risky whether pregnancy is a issue or not, after all.For buttsex, sure. From males having regular intercourse with females, nop.
>>1084226It might be unlikely, but heterosexual sex can also spread diseases.
>>1084128>>1084143I'm familiar with the evolution of language. I don't know what you think about Foucault, I haven't read most of his work, but what I have read regarding the "speciesization of homosexuality" rings true. There were no "homosexuals" before and during the Victorian era. They were simply sodomites, and their "behavior" wasn't seen as anymore of an innate disposition than thievery was to a thief. Only recently has the act of same sex relations been made into a pseudo-species or what is commonly called "a sexuality," and that transformation has a significant impact on our worldview. But I'm getting side-tracked.In order for me to delve into this secret society business further, I need you to answer me this. I have a particularly immobile belief, and it would take a great deal of convincing to make be believe otherwise, that a human's behavior is shaped by environment and systemic factors. Basically, if certain people are doing something that appears evil or misanthropic like oppressing a lower caste, it usually is the result of their natural pursuit of self-interest being shaped by systemic forces and self-perpetuating norms. To put it simply, I don't subscribe to the stormfag belief that Jews are greedy because it is their nature. Rather, if Jews behave greedily it is because of systemic forces and norms. I need you tell me if your world view of secret societies is at least reconcilable with this belief I hold. I don't want to start researching and find out that reptillians are being blamed the whole time.
>>1084047What the fuck did you do to that poor screenshot?
>>1084232>fatallyYou seem to have missed the keyword.
>>1084194Eugenics is only popular with animals and crops because it produces immediate gains. A gentle human eugenics program would not produce appreciable gains in our lifetime, and a radical one would be so harsh in nature, it would shock the conscience of most people, create civil unrest, and have its benefits ultimately outweighed by these drawbacks.If you look at what a human being is by nature, we are hedonists. Every action we take is in the interest of flooding our brains with endorphins and serotonin. The only reason we evolved to become hedonists is because a non-self-interested species would have not survived. Therefore, human happiness is more a fundamental law of nature than human advancement, because humans only advance themselves in the pursuit of happiness. This philosophy (obviously fundamentally different than yours) does not preclude the necessity of human advancement, but rather sees it as an instrument for achieving human happiness. I am of the opinion that if we continue to let humans serve their own happiness, we will continue to advance. Natural selection will root our the humans whose happiness is not served by advancement, as they are sure to become basement-dwellers who will never reproduce. Food for thought.
>>1084211Two apes in the same forest share less DNA then an American and some one straight out of Africa. This is because we where bottle necked as a species a few tens of thousands of years ago.The only reason 'black' and 'white' are even category is because we're visually sighted creatures as opposed to other senses. For thousand's of years "Race" meant which nation you where from, 200 years ago it changed to the color of your skin. Skin color is also one of the easiest changing organs in the human body - so easy to change that you can do it right now by going out in the sun. The only thing that separates humans is that some people can be more susceptible to different diseases - how ever this is now how we biologically classify organisms. Would a white person who got diabetes suddenly be considered black? No. The only way 'Races' could ever come to exist is if a group of humans isolated themselves for a hundreds of thousands of years. Then there would be significant difference to classify subspecies. As it is today, the differences you see are all cultural. Which brings me straight back to why we should be talking about 'western ideals' that I'm indeed support of instead of bullshit concepts that separate groups of people based on arbitrary differences.
>>1084222> Yes because we should ignore Canada, Sweden, Iceland, the United Kingdom, Australia Poland, Ireland and Norway because they don't count as first world countries either?Some one has America on the brain. I would never speak for one country when I say "First world". Also freedom of speech, freedom of ones own religion, writes for women (not feminism, I mean how they get treated in theocracy states like Saudi Arab etc etc) freedom of the press and the like are ideals that we can agree on through empathy are better then their counter parts. Making straw man arguments...not so much.
>>1084292The differences between races are not even mostly skin colour.
>>1084336You said "a Republic with Democracy"
>>1084212>I contend, for example, that monopolies are both an inevitably product of the free market and contrary to economic advancement, though this point will prove impossible to dispute with you because you will rest comfortably upon the observation that there is no true scotsman.>you will rest comfortably upon the observation that there is no true scotsman.I fail to see the relevance of this to our discussion. Also, if I am observing that there is no true scotsman, then I am correct. The "no true scotsman" fallacy is when a scotsman defends an indefensible absolute claim about the characteristics of a scotsman by dismissing examples that contradict his claim as not meeting the nebulous criteria of what it means to be a "true" scotsman. But maybe you just wrote that wrong.I agree that monopolies inevitably follow a free market. I'm not arguing an absolute free market. I'm arguing that there is a tradeoff that exists when you monopolize something like investment. A free market allows industry to do what it naturally wants to do. Artificially controlled investment assumes that the investors are going to make the right decisions predicting demand.
>>1084360That's because there's no 'true' definition of race. It's only useful when you need to separate 'us' and 'them'. If their truly was 'races' and the data was there, I would be forced to conform to accepting it. Nature how ever rarely gives a shit about our feelings.
>>1084369Do you honeslty think 'America' is the only place that is a "Republic with Democracy?" I think you're the one with a skewed prescriptive here. The majority of countries in the world have the name "Republic" in them...even if not all of them are true republics. The term it self is ancient and is one of the man topics in Platos "Republic"
>>1084383Are you really implying that Australian aborigines, with 30,000 years of isolation, are actually identical to Europeans?
>>1084457No, I think he's implying that the lines that we draw to distinguish the different races are arbitrary, even if human ethnic traits aren't homogenous throughout.A guy who's 3/4 european and 1/4 African would probably be considered black. A guy who's 3/4 African and 1/4 Hispanic would probably be considered Hispanic. That's very unscientific.
>>1084208inflicting 'democracy' on third world nations is a significant factor contributing to their degeneration after decolonialization.
>>1084502That's like saying a collie dog doesn't exist because collie-terrier crosses exist.
>>1084502regardless, differences remain, and have meaningful impact on social dynamics. a failure of the model is not failure of the universe.
>>1084236>To put it simply, I don't subscribe to the stormfag belief that Jews are greedy because it is their nature. Rather, if Jews behave greedily it is because of systemic forces and norms. I need you tell me if your world view of secret societies is at least reconcilable with this belief I hold. The best I can do is a conditional yes.I think that there are genes present in the human population that predispose one to higher levels of sociopathy, intelligence, spirituality, and so on. Furthermore, I think that the twelve tribes of Israel were a division of people by these traits in early history (social rather than physical phenotype). For example, the tribe of Judah would have had a high concentration of people predisposed to be leaders because of their phenotype of any number of traits including height, strength, assertiveness, and so on.However, I reject the notion that the modern jew exists in a genetic sense (and therefore the claim that the tribe of people who self-identify as jews are really a tribe at all, or could possibly have a "nature" distinct from the rest of as such).I do not not subscribe to any believes such as reptillians. More broadly I can tell you that all of my beliefs are firmly rooted in the historical record and/or scientific literature, with more knowledge of both being extensive (top 10 tech school + had to read my parents library before I was allowed to pick out my own books as a kid and never really slowed down).
>>1084291I think you are quite blue pilled.When eugenics took off at the beginning of the 20th century there was actually a federal department ("Eugenics Record Office") devoted to it, extensive castration and otherwise performed throughout the country for "fitness" purposes, and so on. The proposals on the table now dwarf what is already a horrendous history and include biological weapons that target subpopulations of the gene pool to a milder variety such as chemical castration delivered under the guise of a vaccination program (not saying it is happening, but that it is proposed) or the use of food as a weapon.
>>1084594http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmvANgw9Mk
>>1084607Is that why they infected poor niggers with diseases so often as "medical research"?
>>1084607And you are advocating this type of horrendous genetics program... why?
>>1084627>horrendousIt's for the greater god
>>1084381>I'm not arguing an absolute free market.That is good, many lolbertards do.I propose that one of the beneficial constraints on commercial markets is the use of the state to make 0% credit widely available for productive enterprise.Private interests would be free to issue loans with usury either for productive enterprise or for personal consumption as they so desire. Demand side concerns are of little interest to me and I think of little consequence.Markets bottlenecks and control points emerge on the supply side (consider the current scandal of aluminum price rigging with Goldman Sachs) because monopolization to induce prices achievable only in a noncompetitive environment is the easiest mode of profit under the current regulatory regime and indeed any that fails to include a national bank operating as I have previously outlined.
>>1084594Fair enough. I have a classical education, but a fairly blue-pilled one at that. I started reading Robert Bork's "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" about a year ago when I was researching him in a historical context, and many of the inherent flaws he diagnosed in the modern liberal movement really hit home. I'll give your sources some time (assuming you're are the one who posted the book selection earlier).
>>1084624Yes>>1084627>call it horrendous>advocatingWould you like some herp with the derp?
>>1084644I posted Lowry, Chaitkin, Tarpley, etc., earlier if that is what you are referencing. I stepped out to the store for a bit if the delayed answer is causing confusion.
>>1084627not that guy, but from my point of view the eugenic program for black advancement and racial parity is a few centuries behind schedule.in truth, as a society we are already practicing eugenics, prenatal babies are routinely screened for chronic and hereditary conditions, sperm banks select by attributes, we ourselves of course make such judgments in choosing potential partners (even if not consciously), and et cetera (no need to mention more dissimulated efforts, this is all overt stuff).
>>1084639of course, 'free market' itself is a contradiction in terms, a market, as a state of affairs, needs certain conventions and institutions a priori to facilitate it.the only way to truly defeat someone is to be playing a different game, when the exponents are in accord on conditions, demarcations between 'winner' and 'loser' break down, there is a greater, more transcendent mutualism (incidentally, the inability of pluralism to account for righteous competition as a whole is why it cannot have a real victory condition in case of conflict).
>>1084701>of course, 'free market' itself is a contradiction in termsOf course. Unfortunately and for some bizarre reason there is this small army of Paul worshipers who speak of the "free market" as if it is an actual thing and constitute the vast majority of lolbertard shitposting.These people really rustle my jimmies.
>>1084639You keep using the word usury. Are you referring to interest rates that are exploiting inflated and exorbitantly high, or are you referring to market determined interest rates in general. Because when I think of usury, I think of someone being exploited by a close-market system because there are no other lenders in town. Do you oppose lenders getting returns on their investments? That's why investment is, except loans are investments in people.I think demand is important. Look what happened to Solyndra. A bunch of idealist bureaucrats were given unlimited tax payer dollars to fund solar energy so the US could take a leading role in this future industry that was projected to be so profitable. Because the money didn't belong to the bureaucrats, they had no real incentive to invest it wisely. They gave $535 million to a company that folded in two years. All that money either wasted or pocketed. That $535 million would have been much more beneficial to the economy if it was never taxed and private investors were able to invest it in what they found lucrative. Rational man theory, in a sense.The Goldman Sachs "scandal" sounds like a bigger scandal than it really is. Yes, they were moving shipments around to inflate prices, but they only possessed a whopping 3% of the world's aluminum inventory. That is not enough to significantly curb the natural supply and demand. Also, most industries are known for doing this type of stuff in tough economic times when demand is low. It's a defense mechanism. The government does the same thing when it subsidizes farmers, essentially paying them not to grow crops, because when the means of production are so productive that they can make the product worthless and threaten to bankrupt the industry, artificially controlling the supply is necessary. This is why I do agree that concepts like the tragedy of the commons necessitate government intervntion. I just don't think government control is the best way to promote market econ
>>1084650Clearly you didn't read my post either.>>1084291>A gentle human eugenics program would not produce appreciable gains in our lifetime, and a radical one would be so harsh in nature, it would shock the conscience of most people, create civil unrest, and have its benefits ultimately outweighed by these drawbacksI was criticizing the guy advocating genetics.
>>1084665Good point. Now that I think about it, prenatal screening does sound like a gentle form of genetics that will yield immediate gains. However, it can also be argued to be natural selection because it doesn't use coercion or law. It just allows humans to choose the desired traits.
>>1084701>>1084737A free market is a theoretical place where no buyer or seller is forced to buy or sell any product at any given price. It is purely up to their discretion. I fail to see how this is a contradiction or requires conventions and institutions, other than the mutual understanding of what a "transaction" entails.
>>1084764i personally take an aquinian perspective on lending (though of course his expressions and metaphors were limited by the times he was in), such that, any 'loan' (he uses the example of 'gifting' that happened between merchants with a wink and a nudge to illustrate to greater bounds of this concept) that does not result in explicit capital creation, is in essence theft, with 'theft' itself fundamentally being misallocation of capital.
>>1084841Aquinas believed in an objective moral code set forth my God. I wish I shared his ideals. To me the world looks like a shit show with individuals vying to serve their own self-interest and a few institutions and norms to mitigate the selfishness.
>>1084764Interest charged on credit is usury.I don't care about private usury really, I just think the state should provide credit facilities that are usury free.>Look what happened to Solyndra.Totally irrelevant. Solyndra represents misappropriation of dollars because of corruption (kickbacks to campaign contributors), which is a criminal offense. No reasonable person could have expected them to be a profitable enterprise and the loans should have been flagged from day one as suspicious.Fraud, unfortunately, does happen.>That is not enough to significantly curb the natural supply and demandIt is, actually, which is why they have been accused of price rigging. Anyway, this is a relatively modest example of monopoly type power being exerted.Standard Oil is the preferred go-to bogeyman and I bet you agree that America was better off with it broken up. Hell, we're back in the situation of gas prices going up and down around elections a century later because all the oil firms have merged through leveraged buyouts made possibly by the federal reserve, to the detriment of the average person. But this represents the free market in a very real sense. The trouble is that the politicians became commodities to bought and sold and thus were the regulations that smashed Standard Oil in the first place done away with.A perfect example of why you want to continually use the power of the state to smash up the big guys in the market. At least if you have any values that you hold to be more important than the profits of whoever happens to be on top by fortune of circumstance.
>>1084841also http://unqualified-reservations. (write blog spot here) .com/2011/10/professor-krugman-on-maturity.html>>1084875it would be a mistake to think that the string pullers on this earth are ultimately motivated by mere profit. a leader must be transcendent, they must follow a super-rational ideal by which only can action in all contexts be derived. specifically, the quantitative framework supplied by money (that is, what actions will definitely result in more money) is obviously subject to revision (and indeed, is under constant revision). hence, someone whos sole concern is accrual of these brownie points can be better compared to a meaty difference engine. those who lack greater transcendence function essentially as cogs in a some leaders machine (not that theres anything necessarily wrong with that).to paraphrase heinlein, freedom is a state of mind, not state of being.
>>1075725>a dog-eared copy of Mein Kampf
>/pol/ comes in and shits up a thread on /lgbt/>it is some of the most intelligent discussion that has ever been seen on /lgbt/
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