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>>14919438 (OP)
This is the exact knife, with the belt clip. I'm interested in getting it too.

>what is the best type of self defense knife in terms of practicality and ease of use?

That really depends a lot on user preference. As long as the blade is at least 2-3 inches, comfortable to hold, and useful for mundane cutting tasks, it should work well enough for you if you ever need to stab a dude.

Larger blades and better materials are desirable, of course, but the most important thing will always be how the knife feels in your hand. Also, you should avoid serrations usually, since they can make it more likely for the blade to get stuck in things when you stab them. Serrations are more useful for purely utility knives.

Although the handle shape on that Ka-Bar looks like it would make it easier to pull out if the serrations do get caught on something.

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>knife
>self defense
>mfw


jk, lol. But honestly, I would say easily the Spyderco P'kal or maybe the Spyderco Yojimbo 2.


My suggestion, get a pistol to accompany the knife lol

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How does /k/ feel about SOG's fixed blades? I've been looking at getting a Tech Bowie or something like it for a carry knife.

>>14919794
This.

Knives can be viable self defense weapons, but they should *always* be a last resort, especially if you can carry a firearm.

>>14919766
Thanks. I was thinking I'd use it as a slashing knife though, so I thought the serration would help and I wouldn't be stabbing with it anyways.

My thought were to just whip it out if I got grabbed or rushed, and slash once or twice and sprint away.
>>14919794
>>14919823
Thanks for the advice, I'll check out those knives. FYI, I mentioned that I go to the University of Arizona, and their weapon policy is "no knives with a blade >5 inches", and of course no guns. So the knife I posted initially wouldn't violate the policy.

>>14919903
>hat I go to the University of Arizona, and their weapon policy is "no knives with a blade >5 inc


5 inches? Not bad. The P'kal is around 4. You could even get a Manix XL and stay under 5.

I'm an ASU alumnus, and we could keep out CCW's in our cars.

Get a handgun.

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>>14919903
Slashing works too. Since you won't really be able to stab deep into the guts, you should probably aim more for the arms and chest with a weapon like that.

Also, what is the University of Arizona's policy on OC spray?

Get something as boring looking as possible. Tacticool and fighting knives are easy mode for prosecutors

>but I'm not totally sold on the curved nature of the handle.
>not totally sold on the curved nature of the handle.
>curved nature of the handle

You don't know much about these knives do you?

0/10 would operate

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Please don't get that puny knife with that retardedly offset blade, OP.

First off, your knife should have a blade of at least 4", like this Cold Steel Voyager I'm carrying today. If you choose to carry a shorter blade, you're really limiting what you can do with the knife.

Second, ensure that the knife has a very strong lock if it is a folder. A knife with a weak lock can fail if it strikes something hard. A fixed blade is always better than a folder, so I recommend you carry a fixed blade if the size of your testicles and the law will allow it.

Next, ensure that you can ready the knife quickly, ensure that you know how to use it, and make sure the knife itself is comfortable.

The "best knife" is different from person to person but avoid objectively bad knives for self defense (ie really small ones, try hard designs that don't mean anything, weak locks, poor craftsmanship) and you'll be fine.

If the law does not allow you to carry a 4"+ blade, you will have to accept that you are minimally armed, but know that you can still use that tiny knife if you know how.

This link (specifically, the pdf which can be found therein) explains further. http://coldsteel.com/Riposte-Mouse-Knives.aspx

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Since university rules state that 5" is a maximum blade length, you have a lot to work with, OP. I would recommend this boot knife, the Kobun. You can clip it anywhere it can be clipped, and a new Tek Lok compatible sheath is coming out for it. It's fucking superb.

>>14921815
Wow, that guy is fatter than I am. His choice in knives is icky, too.

>>14921893

How wide is that knife sweet prince?

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>>14921972
About an inch.

>>14919438 (OP)
That thing looks like it would function about the same way as a kerambit. Interesting.

>>14919801
It looks like my type of knife. I already have bowies a lot like it so I probably won't be buying one, but that particular knife looks like good shit. I don't know why it has that funky double ridge on the spine, but it doesn't look like it'll really detract from durability or utility, so cool beans.

>>14921815

Hey, congrats on being the problem you think you're calling out!

>>14921743

I'm gonna second the Voyager series. I have an XL clip point plain edge and it has proven to be a remarkably sturdy and capable utility knife and would be what I want in my pocket if I had to defend my life with a knife. It's lightweight, doesn't look like a big knife clipped to your pocket, you can still get to your keys or whatever else you have in there, and it's very easy to open one handed in a variety of methods.

I'd reccomend it over the Kobun, which I also have. It has a lot more real estate on the handle and is grippier, and keeping a hold of your knife in a fight is incredibly important.

You don't have to spend a lot of money on a knife for this purpose. It doesn't have to have incredible edge retention or anything, it just needs to be sharp and sturdy and you have to know that knife fights are awful. There's a book called Knife Fighting in Folsom Prison or something, it's a very realistic and simple look on how best to "win" a knife fight.

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Best knife for self defense - not using a knife.

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>>14919794
I have a lot of respect for Spyderco and I feel that they make some of the best knives in the industry right now. However, what I don't get is, when they release a knife intended for self defense, why does it always have some funky weird-ass design like that or the Civilian? Why would I not just get an Endura with wave feature or even a Resilience? I'd even prefer this here Tenacious, although it's a bit small for my tastes and I don't like liner locks for SD (although this is one of the best liner locks IMO).

>>14922172
The XL Voyager is fucking badass. Unfortunately though, at 5 1/2" it's slightly too large for OP to carry at his university.

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>>14919794
second for the p'kal. never ever listen to a faggot on how to defend your ass.

>>14922217
This image has no source, so...

Also, a 40% injury rate actually seems really low.

>>14922217
You can use charts to prove anything, even if you make them up.

>>14922248
you do not understand what a knife designed for self defense is supposed to look like. what you call a "weird-ass" design is what makes it a defense knife. you dont want an endura or resilience for self defense because they are not designed for it. blade shape and grip position are SO much more important than locking mechanism, you fucking douche turd.

Rules of a knife fight.

1. Don't get into a knife fight. Seriously. Don't get in a knife fight.
2. The faster man always wins. If you're not fast, you're not going to win.
3. Your first goal is not to get cut
4. Your second goal is blade retention
5. Striking is of the lowest priority
6. Stand behind your knife
7. Aim for their knife arm
8. After connecting a strike, back the fuck up as much as possible as fast as possible. Give them an opportunity to give up/ run. The object is to survive, not kill

Remember - nobody wins a knife fight.

Get some pepperspray. Distance is your friend. Fighting blade vs fist is illegal. Fighting blade vs any melee weapon is risky as fuck. Fighting blade vs projectile will get you killed. It's a lose-lose. Knives are not ideal self defense tools, OP.

>>14922314
Wouldn't the blade and grip shape of those knives still be sufficient for stabbing, though? I understand that claw-shaped knives like the P'kal are meant for ripping and slashing, which can be extremely effective for SD, but a deep stab wound to the vitals is also very deadly.

Getting into a knife fight is a really bad idea.

>>14922248

Yeah, and with a knife that big they'd be inclined to measure it, I imagine. Shame.

How big is the Spartan? You better be damn practiced with the wave mechanism to use it for self defense because one handed deployment is going to be tough as shit without it, but it would make an absolutely wicked fighting knife.

>>14922314

I know at least one guy who knows exactly what he's doing who carries an endura for tactical purposes because it's light and he can toss it after if he has to. He got it for carry in an NPE and has kept it since.

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>>14922259
>>14922291

Major published national study good enough?

>>14922351
>6. Stand behind your knife

This makes it more likely for your knife hand to be grabbed and your knife taken from you, though.

>>14922351

Priority number one in life is keep living, though. So it's worth noting that if your life is in danger, use whatever you can. And knives make fantastic offensive weapons.

>>14922249
it doesn't look comfortable in a forward grip, and reverse grip doesn't give you much reach, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

>>14919438 (OP)
>best knife for self defense
Longer reach = better defense every time
So get the longest you're allowed/able to carry.

tl/dr: get a sword.

>>14922427
Better, yes.

Seriously, though, only 40%? That's way lower than I would think it would be.

>>14922249

How big is that knife? I want reach and penetration out of a knife, I don't care about blade steel or shape nearly as much. Give me a long-ass screwdriver in a fight over a 3" knife any day.

>>14922398
you answered your own question. the curve blade is indeed intended for ripping and slashing which will cause more blood loss and can be more effective than a single stab wound. one of the ideas behind the curve blade is that you can use it in many different grips to what ever situation you find youself in, whether someone grabs you from behind, someone lunges at you, etc. if you get the proper training you will have the tools to get yourself out of a hold, and away from your attacker while leaving your mark quickly, and with less effort.

>>14922472
A screwdriver wouldn't give you a very wide wound channel. You'd need to punch a lot of holes or get lucky and hit an artery.

>getting into a gun fight is a good idea.

>>14922217
>frighten offender is more dangerous than threaten offender

Wat

>>14922431
>bare hand
>grabbing hand with blade
Bad idea.
It's all about distancing your vitals from danger. Distance is your friend. Striking is the lowest priority.

>>14922440
Knives make fantastic offensive weapons. And horrible defensive ones. Especially in untrained hands, it's a great way to get your shit fucked up. Both people dying in knife fights is VERY common, since kill shots are not instant things.

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>>14922314
>what you call a "weird-ass" design is what makes it a defense knife. you dont want an endura or resilience for self defense because they are not designed for it.
Really? And what makes them designed for it? Cold Steel makes fighting knives that look much more conventional (pic related) and the designs are at least partially based on Lynn Thompson's 30+ years of knife fighting experience. What do knives like the Civilian and the P'kal have to go on? Theories?

>blade shape and grip position are SO much more important than locking mechanism
Actually, for folders, little is more important than lock strength. Unless you want the knife to close on your hand after it hits something hard.

>you fucking douche turd
Now now, that was uncalled for. Butt face.

>>14922431
If you're not a trained knife fighter, lead with your off hand, use it to distract with facial strikes, then get stabby. If you are a trained knife fighter, you already know what to do.

>>14922461
Injuries include deaths.

And the major point is that OTHER WEAPON or GUN cuts those odds in half. Which is a great improvement, honestly. If you have the ability to pack an alternative - do it. It's kinda why I carry every day.

>>14922423
yeah, he carries it because its "light" and he can "toss" it. not because it makes a good defensive knife. they multi purpose blades, jake of all trades. master of none. if your primary use of the knife is defense, you should buy the best tool for the job. not something that is disposable and "light".

OP, the best knife you can get is the MILTNER ADAMS MA-4/II, EXPLOSION BONDED STEEL AND TITANIUM WITH A DIAMOND-LIKE-CARBON COATING. WATCH AS THIS PLAUSIBLE GAY MALE AND TWIG SHOW IT OFF!

>>14922515
A cut-up hand is nonlethal, though. If you can grab your attacker's knife and control their knife hand that way (granted, you'd need balls of steel and a bit of pain tolerance for this), you'd have a massive advantage.

>>14922548
Forgot the link, it was TOO DAMN STRONG FOR ME TO GRASP

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTuw9NbApAg

>>14922472
and watch yourself get carved up by someone with a proper defense knife. go for it.

>>14922351
>fighting blade vs. fist is illegal

depends on the situation. It's risky, but at least in my country, you have no obligation to stand down and you are supposed to use the "mildest" way to stop an attack reliably.
If you use excessive force, it's illegal but not punished if you were "agitated".

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>>14922485
Someone say curved blade?

>>14922525
you are not a trained knife fighter. unless by knife you mean dick, and by fighter you mean sucker.

>>14922525
>lead with your off hand
I don't care even if it's advice for noobs - I'm going to keep on saying lead with your blade. Stand behind your blade, knees partially bent, blade foot leading as well. Torso completely facing. Keep your heals up, you need to be able to move fast.

>>14919438 (OP)
embrace diversity you silly faggot

>>14922486

A knife blade, barring a huge clip point like a bowie, isn't going to create a huge wound channel anyway. A screwdriver isn't ideal but bury one in someone's stomach and they're probably done fighting for the evening.

That said, knives do have an advantage in that a light strike has more potential to do damage than a screwdriver. They also can cut a throat, which is a perfectly valid way to end a knife fight too.

Please understand here, I'm not talking as though a knife fight is anything other than two people frantically stabbing eachother for about ten seconds before they both fall over.

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>>14922423
I own and carry a Spartan. I am fucking in love with it. 4 1/2" blade. The ergonomics are sex. Wave is easy to get used to, just don't wear sleeves that are too long and you'll be fine. I love the Spartan and can't recommend it enough. I also recommend it to OP. And the lockup is bank vault solid.

>>14922571
criminals don't generally have a "proper" defense knife.

>>14922525
>Actually, for folders, little is more important than lock strength.

So a sheepsfoot folder with a strong back lock is a better self defense option than a stiletto with a weaker liner lock?

>>14922538
>Injuries include deaths.

Yeah, but I'd have thought the injury rate including deaths would be closer to 60% or 70% at least. Wouldn't an injury rate of 40% mean that 60% of the cases involved no injury?

I don't mean to come off as argumentative, that just seems like a surprisingly low statistic.

>>14922525
first off, if someone has "30 years of knife fighting experience" they aren't really doing a lot of knife fighting. they may do a lot of training. they might have been in a knife fight or a few... but no one "knife fights" for 30 years... they die before that even comes close......

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>>14919438 (OP)

http://www.topsknives.com/product_info.php?
products_id=335

Carry it every day.

>>14922571

So your assertion is that a weapon that combines the advantages of a baton and a stabbing tool loses out to someone's curvy 3" spyderco?

>>14922574
Supposedly knives are justifiable for self defense in some cases where the attackers outnumber you.

>>14922525
that knife you posted is fucking stupid. you are fucking stupid and lynn thompson is fucking stupid. the p'kal is based on centuries of knife fighting culture in the philipines and it does work.

>>14922634

I considered it along with my XL Voyager, but the Voyager was so much cheaper I went with that. Now I'm going to wind up with all three plain edge XL voyagers and a few of the Large models too, they're so much fun and really way more useful than you'd think.

Only thing I don't like about carrying my Voyager is needing to find a spot for a way smaller knife for most tasks, since most people freak out at the sight of a blade the size of the XL snapping open out of a pocket it doesn't look like it should fit into.

>>14922677
40% is low I guess. 22% is even lower than that. 17% is even lower.

Also, many incidents of "defense" often include neither party getting hurt.

>dude walks up
>asks for your wallet with a knife
>you pull a knife too
>he doesn't even bother and just walks away

or the same with a gun

Since this is purely about documented cases of "defense". You can defend yourself with something by using it to prevent the battle.

>>14922676
which is why you will be prepared will outgun them so to speak

>>14922702
Well that there is stupid.

>>14922427
I like how "other measures" are amongst the best thing you can do. I'll use that in places where I can't bring a gun.

>>14922679
There are some exceptions to this.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/fairbairn.html

>He also survived over 600 non-training street fights in his lifetime as a police officer and was allegedly covered from face to ankle in scars from knife wounds he received in life-or-death battles with dirtbag criminal scumbags on the streets of Shanghai.

Not quite 30 years of continuous knife combat, but that's still a lot of shit to survive.

>>14922703
in the right hands yes. if you go after someone who knows how to wield that curvy 3" spyderco, armed with a screwdriver, you will be dead.

>>14922248


I've seen too many Endura back-locks shit the bed to trust them. I much prefer the compression and even moreso the ball lock.

>>14922754
someone dosent know what a trisula is....

>>14922760
It's pretty simple. Knives get you fucked up. "Other measures" would include Pepperspray, collabseable baton, or other longer melee weapons that happen to be laying around.

The bad thing about knives is the LACK OF REACH.

Spray? 10ft is cool
collapseable baton? You get an extra 2ft or more
Grab stick or pipe or bat? That's reach too.

Knife is small. Knife is 6" max for a knife you carry. Distance is your friend.

I prefer gun. I'm good anywhere within 15 yards.

>>14922754
It looks kind of funny but it's legit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IgZnoady0

>>14922775

Oh, are you referring to the fancy Filipino knife dueling?

Because that loses out to prison yard charge and shank ten days out of ten.

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So, kinda skimmed the thread, but I think I got the general gist of it.

>KaBar TDI
I actually like the idea behind this knife. Probably be my next purchase when I get around to it.
Video for those that may not be familiar with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZivRcSnPyw

>Spyderco P'kal
I have one of these. I really like it. extremely comfortable, very nice edge, and I do actually like using it as a mild-utility use blade. (3" blade, 6.5"ish OAL)
Video for those unfamiliar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sk7B-XXCJY

>Other spyderco
Also good options. I'm not familiar with all of them, but I would lean toward the ones with waves if you can, otherwise, you can do the ziptie wave.

>Karambits
Not sure if they were mentioned, but K-bits are also good ideas. Emerson and Fox would be my suggestions if you can spring for it. Mantis (as controversial as they are) have a couple cheaper K-bits if you just want to see if you like them first. Again, ziptie wave.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBlHjT2r8Qw

>Sog
Not bad looking knives. I think the seal and seal pup are really the only ones that are not terribly criticized. If you could go for a full-size fixed blade, it's an option.

Emerson models with waves are also good options if you can spring for them. I have a super cqc8 and really like it (4" blade, 9"ish OAL)

>>14922629
I guess that's fair enough.

I imagine being stabbed in the gut with a still partially blunt screwdriver would hurt like fuck, as well.

And you could just throw it away after. Come to think of it, a screwdriver would make a pretty good murder weapon.

>>14922777
Yeah, I wouldn't carry any backlock other than the Tri-ad for tactical use.

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>>14922677
>So a sheepsfoot folder with a strong back lock is a better self defense option than a stiletto with a weaker liner lock?
Yes, if it so happens that your knife gets some hard knocks.

>>14922679
I won't argue against that, but training is important.

>>14922718
Chill out bro, there's no need for all this mad.

Exactly what FMA knife is the P'kal based on?

>>14922741
The Voyager series has so many awesome things going for it and the only real problem is the aggressiveness under the pocket clip, which is no problem for tough pants and if it is, 10 seconds of light sanding under the clip will fix it.

Yeah, that's gonna happen with big knives. It's why I usually take my Super Edge out when I want to cut something and sheeple are around.

>>14922777
My preference is the Tri Ad lock, which this knife has. It's one of the strongest knife locks in the world.

>>14922787
>trisula

Apparently it's a trident of some kind. How is this relevant?

>>14922844
care to post any actual info on that assertion?

>>14922550
>you'd need balls of steel
>pain tolerance

We're talking about street-scum here. They don't want to have to explain themselves in the ER.

And blade retention is a priority. Strike/back up. I still stand by blade-front stance.

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>>14922877
>Exactly what FMA knife is the P'kal based on?

Pikal knives. Designed for icepick, edge in. grab handle, shank repeatedly, back off. Intent is that if someone tries to grapple your knife hand, you can 'clench' your arms in, and rake the edge against their hand/arm.

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>>14922877
Are you aware of the implications of what you just said? The tip of this knife is completely blunt. It has no belly or curve to speak of.

>>14922888
quote from knife fighter guy on internet

"The Trisula is usually identified by the asymmetrical grind on the spine of the blade. The design of the Trisula facilitates a knife fighting technique wherein the spine of the blade is raked up the arm until it hits the elbow at which point it flips the knife and continues to shear the tendons and tricep... pretty nasty!"

>>14922605
Lead with your blade? I thought that was always a fatal mistake

If the worst happened and I had to get into a knife fight, my strategy was the hold my blade close by my waist, and then whip off my hoody/jacket, holding it in my off hand in front of me to parry
I thought that was what is the best thing to do

>>14923044
>whip off hood/jacket

That would be an excellent way to snare the other guy's knife, but I doubt you'd be able to actually take off your coat and ready it by the time you realize you're being attacked.

>>14922952
And this is a traditional design? I've never heard of or seen any examples before.


>>14922960
As much as that sucks, having your knife close on you in a fight would suck way more.

>>14923044
You just lost all ability in that "parry" arm

You want speed, and you want distance. Those are really all that matter. You don't want them getting close to your torso. Ever. Keeping your blade next to your torso just means it's safer to get close to your immediate person. Which is bad.

Hey there tucsonbro. Golf links and wilmot area here.


I carry an esee izula ii on my belt all the time. I can have it ready in the blink of an eye to get out of a bad situation. I have it at about 11 o'clock or so. I can grab it with my left hand in a reverse grip or regular grip in my right hand.

Id suggest something similar

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>>14923044
I can see the leading with blade idea good if you are trained/decent at a fencing/sword fighting style.
I am not, but I have brute strength, so motions more akin to a punch come more natural to me.

>>14923082
The p'kal specifically is the only folder I am aware of, but fixed blades are relatively abundant. I have noticed /k/ doesnt' seem to bring up pikals often, but a handful of forums, and things, people seem to like them.
The ringed Anso I really like, but a bit out of my range...
Someday though.

I could see them being looked over because they aren't as flashy as k-bits, so they really can't be tacticooled as easy.
That, and they are essentially a shiv with an edge.

>>14923144
Yeah, other good option here. small fixed blade, that is easy to reach, and comfortable to carry.

>>14923082
That is so unlikely to ever happen. You'd have to apply an inward force to the spine of the blade. The only way that could happen with a stab is if you just barely graze a rib or something with the back side of the tip, and in that event your lock isn't just going to snap like a twig.

Choosing such a terrible blade shape specifically for self defense just because it has a strong lock is beyond foolish.

>>14923079
literally all I do is take my right arm out of it's sleeve, then it's ready to parry

>>14923128
but I thought the point of having your blade drawn in like that is so you can strike decisively and quickly the moment they get within range,
when they advance or try to strike

>>14923206
How long does it take to do that?

>>14923203
You'd be surprised at what shock can do to a knife lock.

>>14923172
Google failed me when I looked for examples. Would you happen to know any place that makes them?

>knife
>self defense

pick one

knives are useless for that unless you have a lot of training and are extremely fit, and even then you're probably going to suffer fatal injuries in your first real knife fight, even if you win.

>>14919438 (OP)
Hey, I go there too.

>>14923206
you can strike quicker if your blade is already in front of you. Less distance to travel, and it's more dangerous for them to get closer.

Remember - not getting cut is the most important. Striking is actually THE LEAST important in a knife fight in general - ESPECIALLY in a defensive situation.

You don't want them thinking they have an opening. Blade close = guard down. It's like keeping your arms down while boxing. Sure, you could MAYBE bring them up to block your face, but it's much better to just already have them up.

>>14923271
if i am attacked, i am most likely to have a knife on me to defend myself with because i carry a knife everyday out of habit. if they have a knife and i cant run, id rather have the knife then not have it. if i lived in a state that allowed ccw, that is what i would do.

>>14923321
the p'ikal basically gives you a boxing stance to work with.

>>14923238

about a second.

If they guy is already advancing and trying to stab me then no, I wouldn't have time.
But perhaps under some circumstances I would, I don't really know. I should practice with a friend

>>14923264
Can't take you seriously

>>14923264
>You'd be surprised at what shock can do to a knife lock.

Stabbing full-force directly into a ceramic plate or a flat bone like the scapula, sure. You are severely overestimating the likelihood of lock failure.

>>14923346
i know right? its like listening to a blind man describe colors.

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>>14923264
Most are going to be customs/semi-production.
>anso I was talking about
Shivworks (the collab with Spydie) and Spydie's p'kal I think are the only ones mass-produced.

Random link from google. Haven't checked any of the suggestions, but they are worth a shot
> http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/538422-Pikal-Knife-Makers

Otherwise, I just googled 'pikal knife' and got some decent looking sites.

>>14923339
>If they guy is already advancing and trying to stab me then no, I wouldn't have time.
>But perhaps under some circumstances I would, I don't really know. I should practice with a friend

Yeah. The two scenarios for a knife attack going down are

1. Being held at knife point by a mugger
or
2. Being ambushed and rushed by someone trying to kill you.

Even in the first case you'd be at a disadvantage.