hmmm i woulda used cluster bombs on the protesters

>assholes

>>8344543
>mad

Commit a war crime for a dying regime, or bug out to Malta? I'm surprised only 4 pilots did it.
(two helicopters also defected)

>Ordered to attack protesters with attack aircraft

Holy fuck! Gaddafi means fucking business.

this is yet another example that the "I was ordered to do it!" excuse is complete bullshit

>>8344597

Yeah dude, they've had helicopters taking strafing guns against the crowds because they cant trust their ground troops to do it.

So?
As long as the Libyan army consists of more vehicles and personnel than the rockets the two jets have they'll be OK.

Seriously, it's not like they were Super Fortresses loaded with Nukes or something.

Oh Gadhafi, you so crazy.

Why is there not a super carrier of the libyan coast running sorties to shoot down all libyan military aircraft right now?

All the ambassadors are calling for international aid

>>8344609
Lol, maybe if you're in a FIGHTER JET. On the ground? Hell no, unless all your buddies decide to join you, and that's a long shot.

>>8344597
pfff, of course he does. he doesn't have anything to lose at this point. half the country is in open revolt and two second most powerful tribes have defected to the rebels.

and the radical middle east collapses on itself further as it's people cry out for freedom. praise god.

>>8344635

Because the regime replacing Gadhafi is very likely to be a theocracy like Iran who would hate us even if we helped. This is a lose-lose situation for the west.

>>8344635
Because only America has super carriers

and there is no golds to be had for our Jewish overlords.
They have no oils or minerals

>>8344635
we should probably hold off on force. Gadhafi could spin that into "imperialist invaders" and split the opposition.

we should be trying to re-establish communications into the country and dropping medicine, food and satellite phones. maybe even sneak a few surplus arms in there.

>>8344632
Is...
Is that a cigar?

>>8344597
>Holy fuck! Gaddafi means fucking business.

Douche bag is on the wrong side of history. He's finished, but what comes next might be a lot worse than Gaddafi...

>>8344662
swagger stick

>>8344659
Libya's oil reserves are the largest in Africa and the 9th largest in the world.

>>8344653
Nah. Libyans want more jobs and freedoms. They border two of the most liberal countries in the Arab world, and are just across the street from Europe. What we're probably worried about is oil prices skyrocketing and tribal factionalism drowning the country in blood if Gadhafi isn't in charge.

>>8344659
>They have no oils or minerals

>>8344659
>Libya
>no oil

>>8344659
Just you wait!

Once addition pylons have been constructed, then we'll see

>>8344659
>They have no oils or minerals

>>8344668

We can't know what's going to come next. For all we know, Egypt could go batshit crazy and invade Libya in the chaos. Highly unlikely, but still...

>F1 Mirages
>French

Seems that those aircrafts have auto-surrender button...

/r/ pics of Gadhafi's Amazonian Bodyguard Army.

>>8344536 cluster bombs
Could be rather harsh on the surrounding buildings.

>>8344524 Their loaded out with rockets, holy shit.
>their what are loaded with rockets?

>Drop tons of medical supplies/food/maybe even weapons
>Shoot only aircraft that has been visually confirmed to be firing on crowds
>Make sure to never put actually soldiers on soil
>Suddenly, America is hero

>>8344749

I lol'd at this
"Alright we got around 25,000 civilian protestors marching in green square, we want you to make several strafing guns across them but by god don't let me catch you harming the architecture."

>>8344760
Their grammar nazis were loaded out with rockets. Happy now, bitch?

Oil futures surged 8.6 percent in New York from the Feb. 18 close to $97.44 a barrel as of 9:49 a.m. in Tokyo. Gold increased 0.3 percent and silver rallied to the highest since March 1980. The MSCI Asia Pacific Index lost 0.8 percent. Standard & Poor’s 500 Index futures sank 1.2 percent from the Feb. 18 closing level

>>8344737
Actually, that's would be the best of all possible scenarios...maybe. It depends on how the Egyptians would play it, and how receptive the Libyans would be to being occupied by a foreign army functioning as an interim government. But I don't think Egypt is any position right now to even think about something that bold.

>>8344765
The second combing of the Liberator Pistol.


GLORIOUS OF GLORIES!

>>8344659 They have no oils or minerals
>They have no oils or minerals
>They have no oils or minerals
>They have no oils or minerals
>They have no oils or minerals

>inb4 Qaddafi gets raped by over 9,000 of his personal bodyguards
>inb4 an Islamic political party with less than 15% approval takes power

Look like SNEB 68mm rockets, plus the two 30mm cannons. Would've fucked shit up had they gone through with the orders.

Why didn't they bomb the king's palace and save some lives?

One of the things that interests me the most about humanity is how few people do stuff like this--they would rather die or kill hundreds carrying out orders. We're wired to obey commands from authority figures.

These rare cases of sanity really cheer me up. It really takes balls to rebel, unless of course you're a teenager high on hormones.

It should be worth saying that italy currently has 2-4 aircraft patrolling off the Libyan coast and an Italian frigate is onroute with rumors of special forces onboard.

There is also widely spread rumors that french helicopters have landed in bengahzi, but not confirmed.

>>8344772

>>8344765
Just like Kosovo amirite?

>>8344635
Gaddafi signed up 10 years ago now. Paid the Lockerbie compensation, signed over the oilfields, recieved the swiss bank accounts and Bilderberg seat Blowing up puppets scares the other puppets.

>>8344785
Why would you comb a gun?

>>8344797
They don't know where Gaddafi is, one newspaper saying he's trying to find asylum in Venezuela.

>>8344659

>>8344802

There were a lot of cases of pilots refusing to follow orders which means - pilots are the biggest pussies and they will soon to be replaced by drones.

if I were one of those fighter pilots I would have done anything to blown gadhafi's ass up even if it required kamikaze

>>8344772
Grammar uber alles bitch!

>>8344839

internet tough guy. Theres the fact that his palace is surrounded by several SAM and flak batteries to prevent aerial attack.

>>8344837
Viktor Belenko. Look him up.

>>8344805

I've heard Italy has close business ties to Libya and the Gaddafi family, though saving people would seem to be a good way for Berlusconi to wag the dog over boning a minor.

>>8344851
>implying his guards are smart enough to figure out how to use a SAM launcher

if you flew really low to avoid radar detection then at the last second you could flew it straight up to the ceiling of the aircraft and dive bombed his palace he'd be fucked

>>8344839
i wud do anything to waste towl head protesters from a jet with rockets
lolz u guys are total fags if u dont agree
watevers goin on in that shit country i dont care as long as those fuckers are droppen

I'm somewhat dubious about this whole thing since it just sounds overkill then again it's Gaddafi.

>>8344870
It's not that she was 17 (age of consent is 14), it's not that she was a prostitute (prostitution is legal), it's that... holy shit Italy sounds awesome, what was I talking about?

>>8344856
I remember reading about that, the Soviets then restrict the amount of fuel pilots had.

>>8344887

Italy is the mexico of europe, just because the leader AND owner of 99% of the media there is banging cream of the crop dancers among the rest of the elite doesn't make it less of a shithole.

>>8344890
But in reality, they should've restricted the vodka because in MiG-25, VODKA IS FUEL

>>8344908
I always heard Poland was the Mexico of Europe.

>>8344914

They have cold and hot mexico in europe.

>>8344794
Have you seen his personal bodyguard? That's not a bad way to go.

>>8344926

I doubt many of them came into work these past few days, I cant imagine being a female bodyguard of the dictator ending well if your captured in the middle east.

>>8344827
coming*
My bad bra.

I was just so excited about the prospect of dropping millions of mass produced one shot pistols on a country in the start of a revolt.

>>8344635
There are a lot of reasons, I for one believe that Qaddafi deserves everything he gets.

In other words, I'm in.

Malta now have an air force. Though after all's said and done, would the jets be repatriated to Libya?

>>8345005
Not without concessions more valuable than the planes are. It's a windfall for Malta, for sure, but most likely will be traded to a richer ally.

>>8344882
agreed
I WOULD CUT OFF MY COCK TO GET A CHANCE TO SHOOT ROCKETS AT FUCKING A-RAB PROTESTERS FROM A FIGHTER JET

Libyan Air Force received 16 F1AD, 16 F1ED & 6 F1DD aircraft. All were grounded currently but some (12) refurbished and returned back to service. Of these 12, two have defected to Malta

>>8344794

> Gaddafi's choice of bodyguards has been the subject of much media attention. His 40-member bodyguard contingent, known as the Amazonian Guard, is entirely female. All women who qualify for duty supposedly must be virgins, and are hand-picked by Gaddafi himself. They are trained in the use of firearms and martial arts at a special academy before entering service.

>>8345158
The dude knows how to roll.

>>8345198

Once he's gone we are out of fun n' flashy active dictators and stongmen.

>>8345213
We still have Kim in NK (hes always fun) and the Castros. And, uh...a bunch of African dudes no one cares about. Eh, meh. Oh! And the Burmese general that runs shit. He's wacky. There's also Belorussia's dictator, who's kind've a badass.

>>8344820
For whatever reason I've read that post three times, and the fourth it just sunk /laughing.

>>8344524
Turns out that other pilots have been bombing protesters. Hundreds dead.

>>8344830
Bit of a bump, but he put out a news broadcast today saying he's still in Libya.

Bombing has also intensified - he's even bombing his own air force now. The guy is nuts, not sure how long anyone will stay loyal if they think he'll kill them too.

>>8344609
you can't always fly to another country at the speed of sound. reportedly a lot of soldiers who didn't follow orders were killed.

>>8344797
He lived in tents for that very reason. The Americans made multiple bombing runs in the past.

>>8344653
bullshit, these ppl just want to be free. They'll have reason to hate the west though if we ignore them screaming for help as unarmed civilians are murdered in the street. The cowardice being shown by western govt's is disgusting. We're meant to be the good guys... remember?

>>8348815
Ironic how the left is demanding we do something about this since they're against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>8348820
Plenty of people on every side want some kind of solution for Libya's brutal crackdown. Grounding the air force that hasn't defected seems like a good start.

>According to a STRATFOR diplomatic source in the region, Ukrainian pilots are flying Libyan MiGs to fire on protesters in Tripoli.

>The source claims the Italian mafia is also assisting the regime of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and that boats operated by Italians have attacked demonstrators in Benghazi and Tripoli.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/22282.asp

>>8345158
Gaddafi is the man.

>>8348826
Sorry. It is best to remain out of this - the people will solve this for themselves. You'll see.
There is too much animosity for the US in the area, and a lot of the supporters of these dictators already think their country's citizens are motivated from the US 'evil empire' - not that they're treating their people like shit.
It is best to just stay out and not add fuel to the fire.
Here is an interesting article: 'Top Sunni cleric says army should kill Kadhafi'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110221/wl_mideast_afp/libyapoliticsunrestfatwa_20110221212046
There has already been threats to stop oil shipments in parts of Libya until Gadhafi leaves. Notice oil went up 9% today. The more Libya's economy goes to shit, the more people will rise up. Gadhafi has too many internal enemies, and there is no need for US planes to help take him out.

>>8345158
Heeeeeello ladies.

>>8348815
>We're meant to be the good guys
>Implying being the "good guys" doesn't only occur when future profit is a likely outcome

>mfw in late 2002 my unit deployed to the Libyan desert, right before the Iraqi invasion, and Qaddafi smartened the fuck up pretty soon after

Everyone knows Obama would do fuck-all.

>>8348887

The US ships literally millions of tons of food to regions of famine and sacristy every year. USAID might not be perfect, but it gives the US a much better claim to "good guy" status then most.

>>8348815
That's pretty fucking funny considering most whackjob loony-toon HERP DEY WERP US IS THE DEVIL faggots will sstart shrieking about Western "interference" if we do something.

i.e., Chomsky, Rall, Maddow....ya know, the whole cunt-brigade.

>>8348897
Black man has sense enough not to pick up tar baby. Pictures at 11.

>>8348887
yeah man, i just read in the news yesterday that africa is ready to pay us back.

>>8348899
Eh.
The US also subsidizes our farmers to not grow while half the world starves - food that should be cheap on the free market and land in the mouths of those individuals.
I've had friends who were in the peace core. Hate to break it to ya, but a lot of that food aid the gov. just hands out, it goes right into corrupt officials hands, which in turn gives them more power.
The food aid has also had a negative effect on Africa as Africans have not been able to create a real economy, and instead just rely on handouts.

>>8348910
Africa is also full of Canadians, which doesn't really help anyone.

>>8348910

Give, don't give.
Invade, don't invade.
Intervene, mind your own business.

It doesn't matter at all. You're always the bad guy when everyone else is jealous. ;[

>>8348917
Which is why we should pick the cheap option. Doing nothing doesn't make them hate us more, but it costs us a lot less money.

>>8348910
Everything you just said is wrong, and you are very stupid.

1) Dirt farming is a myth. Serious subsidy money is to grow useful crops, rather then just trying to plant whatever had a good price last year because most farmers are pretty myopic and on their own do an awful job of regulating the food market.

2) USAID isn't perfect, and the old system could often reinforce a bad status quo. The policy has been for years to buy food locally for aid programs, so those Africans you mentioned? If any local farmers could produce the food the US will buy it from them to hand out.

3) Africa's problems are not the fault of USAID and USAID handouts normally go to places that are either deeply fucked up and full of people that would otherwise starve or to places where local agriculture is temporary fucked badly enough that local food production can't keep up.

You've heard some stupid stories about how US food aid works and you think your an expert. Nobody with any familiarity of the subject would suggest that USAID is a -bad thing-. Just like nobody should suggest it's perfect or couldn't be improved.

Mfw the west intervenes in libya, and Gaddafi spins it as imperialist invasion, and rallies libya against said intervener's.

>>8348927
Really now?
I'm sure the economists at the mises institute are complete morons.
It is pretty well known that the food aid has plenty of adverse effects on Africa, and also our farm subsidies are in place to keep food high/no food production.
I know plenty of people here in CA who are paid not to grow. (And that is just me, who does not know many people).

>>8348930
>>implying that the majority of Libyans wouls still go to war if Gaddafi told them to

>>8348937
Also the Cato institute, if you're interested.

>>8348945
http://www.rand.org/commentary/2002/06/18/WSJ.html

Hey look, also Rand Corporation. They probably are complete morons too! No doubt they don't know economics!

>>8344737
actually the egyptians have already warned the libyans about being held responsible for the safety of their ex-pats. tunisia is also a bit pissed off about its ex-pats being robbed at the border by militia. 2 militaries that need to unify their countries after internal upheaval with a nutcase whose not that strong between them and a cpl of good reasons to go? short, victorious war anyone?

You know those guys were singing this the whole time:

"The king called up his jetfightuhhhhhhs
He said "you bettah earn your paaaaaaaaaay.
Drop your bombs between the minirets,
down the Casbah waaaaaaay"

Soon as the Shareef was chauffeured outta there,
the jet pilots turned to the cockpit radio blare,
soon as the Shareef was outtta their haair
the jet pilots waaaaaaaaiaiaiaiiled"

Libyan navy ship off malta,is stalled, not know if it defecting.
also austrian troops going to land in tripoli to rescue their nationals, they're at malta airport.
al jazeera english

>>8349054

Egypt wasn't really in "upheaval".

Their country's government has been guaranteed and controlled by the military ever since Nasser created it. Mubarak wanted to hand over power to his son, who was not in and had never been in the military. If anything it was Mubarak that was trying to "revolt" against the current government.

Also that military is barely capable of defending its own borders, let alone go next door and start kicking ass.

U so jelly cuse my bodyguards be stylin on u?

>>8349100
Indeed. 'Real' monarchies know making the heir join the military is absolutely necessary.

>>8349090
Austria is invading Libya? Fucking source now!

>>8349100
This.

Additionally, the Egyptian military likes it that way, they're in a pretty cushy position, all things considered.

This thread is now about good guy bad guy politics.

come at me bro

As much of an IRA funding lunatic Gaddafi is, he's better than the radical Islam thats going to be in Libya soon

MFW African countries still can't hack it without white people to hold their hands

Come on Gadaffi

>>8344659

# 9 Libya: 40,000,000,000 barrels

Shell was working on liberalizing Libyan oil fields under President Bush. It's also right across the pond from Italy.

>>8349135

Sup.

>>8349159
I don't give a fuck who's in power over there, but gaddafi really nobbed about with things like the IRA and Lockerbie.

>>8344765
Stop unconditionaly supporting Israel
Suddenly America is hero

>>8345158
I see Ghaddafi attended the Dolemite school of political science.

http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish

Gaddafi verbally attacks the coalition and says the us and britts are rats thats insigated the uprising AHAH this guy has balls man. he got my respec

HAHAHA..

He's giving another speech.

4.15pm: He is saying the rebels "mean nothing" – they are insignificantly small in number and just imitating Tunisians and Egyptians.

Tomorrow hope lies with the Libyan people and with security.

Tomorrow – follow them, get out of your homes, chase them, he says. Do you want Benghazi to be destroyed, cut off from water? These rats can reach the oil fields and blow them up, he says.

He says he built Benghazi block by block, is still building it, and "they" have come to destroy it.

Best spot for Libya news with minute-by-minute updates: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/22/libya-erupts-gaddafi-live-updates

>>8349332

he is kinda right though...how big are the crowds there, 100,000 tops? Not much.

In Iran 1979 literally the entire city was out on the streets raging out.

AHAHAH he has enforce martial law and all who oppose him including international migrants will be kill. AHAHAH this guy is my fucking hero. the UN is going in boys prepare your anus.

Meh, let them all kill themselves.

Less muslims = better for us.

>>8349259
and the radical islamists that will inevitably replace him fucked up with 9/11 and 7/7 too

>>8349369
From the mouth of a Christian.
Such irony.
Christians should just die as well.

>>8349381
Fuck all dune coon religons. Fucking arabs have been raping Europe for thousands of years.

>>8349388
Yes,they've been raping Europe indeed.
But with another religion than Islam.
Christianity.

More:

>4.22pm: I haven't even started giving the orders to use bullets, he says

lol

>4.30pm: We can rehabilitate the rebels and make them more effective members of the community, he says.

>All men and women should go out and take the streets back, he says.

>I am the head of the people's revolution, he says.

Can you say "desperate?"

>4.32pm: US senator John Kerry is reportedly calling for oil companies to withdraw from Libya.

Nice timing.

>>8349392
Christianity IS a dune coon religon.

>>8349399
I know.
But I thought you were that stupid Christian.

>>8349381
>implying i'm christian.

if the Eu had any integrity it would declare Lybia a no-flying zone and sent planes to ensure it NOW!

This will be another one of these "why didnt they do anything?" things history is filled with.

>>8349381

CRUSH THE US AIR FORCE
WITH YOUR HANDS

>>8349432
Like someone said earlier...

Remember Kosovo?

The only thing we should be doing is dropping satellite phones, restoring communications and sending food and medical supplies. Let them fight for themselves. Maybe...MAYBE we could convince Egypt and Tunisia to invade, but I doubt that will happen.

>>8349432
are you mad! They would be crushed by the giant libyian fists in >>8349438

>>8349443
The US Military has been thinking about/expermenting with using UAVs as makeshift cellular towers or WiFi-hotspots.

That would be awesome to see, sort of like Voice of America but with infrastructure instead

>>8349443
yes i remember Kosovo.

The War europe turned a blind eye too until thousandsd of men, women and children have been massacred.

Then they invaded and the Dutch ensured the massacre would go on better organized.

There is no excuse not to send fighter jets now.

>>8349471
No they haven't. That just bullshit John McCain thought up (an old fuck who knows nothing about technology).

Wifi just doesn't work that way.

>>8349473
You are confusing Kosovo and Bosnia.

>>8349511
no that was the kosovo conflict where serbs where slaughtering albanians till the nato finally decided to get of their ass and do something.

>>8349492
Could something like that happen?

>>8349518
the Dutch preventing the Serbs from massacring muslims?
Bosnia
Serbs massacring Albanians?
Kosovo