>>5643209

And absolutely nothing of value was lost.

i don't think that anything makes me rage as much as paparazzi and pestering reporters

It's even funnier when both helicopters spotted weapons, even from different angles!

ImStillOkayWithThis.jpg

>>5643237

haha! There's the /k/ I love

>>5643257

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

so what they fired from those helicopters? M230 Chain Gun?

that's their fault for bringing a child to a battle

>>5643309

>>5643209

amazingly,when you see war reporters most of them have black cameras that can easily be mistaken for rocket launcher...

no other colors or for that equipment?

Meh... This pleases me. Am I evil fellow comrades for wanting to watch the full HD version?

>>5643308

I always lol at the retards face on the left.
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME

>>5643351
Should change that to
>It could save someone else's life.

>>5643351

funny but no. tell me would you recognize it from 100m
<pic related

>>5643390
I don't know if that was an infrared camera or just black/white, but either way it wouldn't show another color. It's not like you could tell reporters to mark their equipment anyways, insurgents could just copy them.

one thing that gave them away as reporters was some being all fat and waddling. I don't know if its just me, but I've never seen a fat insurgent.

I just watched that video, and absolutely love it. That gunner was soooo lucky to have 'em all packed in tight like that. Fuckin turkey shoot. "Nice Shoot'n", "Thanks".

I think the best was when that dude ran over the dead body and they just laughed it off. Ahh beautiful /k/illers.

>>5643525
gib link plos huehuehuehue

>>5643476

video is here>>5643308
starts at 2:45

www.wikileaks.com for vid

>>5643456
Can't say I would, that said I don't have two helicopters with different angles looking at them. For that matter I don't go around shooting people, let alone on a whim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik

at 2:10-2:15 what is the man at the top holding?

Another fine display of the intelligence of your average member of the military.

>>5643525

well the point in video when i laughed is when they were shooting and hitting buildings in the back... gunner- i got azimuth limit for some reason *shoots at van,hits building*
pilot - go left.
gunner *shoots some more,hits*
pilot- clear left.
gunner *shooting MOAR*

lol

>>5643605

looks like weaps to me...

So at what attitude Apache is flying so it cant be heard by people on the ground?

>>5643209
" Come on buddy. All you gotta do is pick up a weapon"
this video is just plain GOLD.
But i don't see how would they be wrong ? I mean if it looked like a RPG , they were allowed to shoot 'hem right ?
" Come on , let us shoot !! "

>>5644110

bump for answer

>>5644110
bumping it

>>5644110

Samefag here,
Or they hear the helicopter but since they are flying often people just ignore the sound?

>>5644110
There's a good bit of delay between the sound of firing in the film and impact. Perhaps you can go off that for actual distance.

IT'S THE PUPPY THING ALL OVER AGAIN.

>Walk around a combat zone and crouch around corners and point things at US troops
>Cry when they shoot at you

>>5643209
wow, crazy horse is badass

>>5644684

i was wondering about sound of helicopter flying... i saw more videos like this where you could see insurgents crawling around or preparing ambush,so they were alerted for some strange noise.
but they dont hear helicopter until it starts shooting at them... so how far is it?

>>5644684
Based off of really rough numbers they were between 6000 and 8000 feet away. That's just a really general estimate and I could be completely wrong because of some factor I forgot but that should give you an idea.

WHY
DID
THEY
SHOOT
THE
VAN
?

>>5645195

to stop them from picking up weapons,wounded and bodies...

They were some distance away as watching the video you can see the camera begin vibrating from gunfire about a second or so before the rounds impact the group.

After watching the video several times this seems like a pretty egriegous violation on the part of the US Army. The cover up only makes it worse. Courts martial should follow, but unfortunately the military protects its own interests above all else (I served in the army - firsthand knowledge).

>>5645233

No, because they were trigger happy and thought they were playing a fucking video game.

>>5645195
You're a fucking idiot.
It was a fucking T90 MBT dressed up to look like a honcho van.
Oh, I find it absolutely fucking hilarious a bunch of sandrats got wasted.
Those apache gunners did the world a favor.

>Bradley is on the street in Iraq
>Black van drops off a large group of men carrying equipment
>Men set up to have a good view of the Bradley
>Men get shot by Apache
>Van returns and gets shot by Apache

>Faggots edit the video for maximum anti-war propagande

Welcome to America cousin!

ISREALI TANK KILLS CAMERAMAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZysDAxun_8


This is not news, stuff like this happens all the time. From a distance, TV cameras look like shoulder mounted rocket launchers.

>Americans say "Hey, they looked like weapons"
>Eurotrash whines and cries

I'm having so much fun with the youtube comments.
Retards on both sides to embarrass.

>>5645820

Sadly /b/ has more intelligent discussions than are to be found in Youtube comments. Its sad really, the average /b/tard is more capable of rational thought than the average individual with a connection to the internet.

>>5646010
4chan has plenty of people with above average intelligence.

>>5645394
The van was totally unrelated to the guys being shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BflAj2txMVQ

>>5643893

it's a tripod

HURRR MURKIN MILITARY CAN DO NO WRONG STUPID REPORTERS HURRR DURRRRRR

>>5649200
There are weapons in the group. An AK is present but no RPG.

>Highest Rated Comments
>Did you see those children? "Come on, let us shoot!" Fucking American Murder. Fight as men on the ground.

wat is this, id ont even

The most lulzy bit was when the grunts started pulling the kids out of the car and those Aviation fags started shitting themselves lol

trigger happy Americans. Just shows how undiciplined they are.

>>5649246
he asked permission to shoot

Going through the video right now. At some points, it does look like they have weapons. Seems like the Apache was a bit too eager to fire though, I thought they would need more confirmation to let loose other than seeing some guys that look like they have weapons. It is a war zone though. It's not really a great idea to be peaking out of corners with a bunch of soldiers with loose trigger fingers.

>>5649276

It certainly is not a good idea to be an innocent civilian when there are US Army people about, anything could happen.

I can't wait 'till they are let loose to control and pacify the people of America.

>>5649246
he was asking to shoot, sure he may of been a little enthusiastic, but fuck man. Would you not be psyched when your a gunner on a chopper 2 miles away with a 30mm cannon of death?

At least he fucking asked to shoot.

>>5649276

This scene gets played twice, I guess to show how "heartless" the army guys are, but that's just how people deal with seeing dead bodies all the time.

>>5649254

Does base see what pilots see on the screen? If not, that permission grant has no value.

>>5649276
They may NOT have had RPG's but really, that's all in hindsight. If the pilots can honestly, no bullshit believe they have RPG's I'd support them. Besides, I'm all for denying AL Jazeera photos.
Don't hang with Insurgeants if you don't wanna end upped fucking splattered.

>>5649305
I CANNOT EXPRESS MY FEELINGS. I SHALL JUST CALL YOU A DUMBMOTHERFUCKER AND BE DONE.

>>5649305
They were supporting boots on the ground.

>>5649300

I didn't even notice the children until they zoomed in a pointed them out.

>>5649291

It's not a good time to be anything near a war zone.

enemy armor incoming

>>5645462
Fucking wow. any one else surprised that that tank was able to land a shell on a human sized target like that?

Same shit on /r9gay/
Even kept the video time for you guys to see the weapons yourself.

>>5643209
There should be a world-wide press notice.

DO NOT POINT THINGS AT MILITARY VEHICLES. NOT EVEN YOUR FINGER!

>>5645271
game was released in november 2007,
no way he even heard of the game by the time he was able to start training for warrant officer

This was not interesting the first time. isnt now.

>>5649254
he lied to get that permission.

>>5645137
thats a fucking large distance man, you sure?

>>5649390
Then why did he not lie a second time.

>>5649316
The pilot wasn't saying.

"Well it looks like he has an RPG, I don't really want to open fire, but I can plainly see an insurgent carrying weapons who is putting my life, or the life of an innocent person, at risk. I have no choice under these circumstances but to shoot."

He was saying "I see some people who I could shoot. I need a reason though. They are carrying things in their hands, I'll call those things weapons, and request permission to shoot them. Come on, give me fucking permission, I could be shooting them right now. AWESOME, DIE YOU FUCKERS! Hooray I killed them! Oh wait, some bastard survived. And he's unarmed so I don't get to finish him off. I hope he picks up a weapon... I'll watch him closely just in case he goes anywhere near anything that looks like a weapon, then I'll blow him to pieces. Fuck, some civilian van has pulled up, looks like they are trying to help the guy who I shot for no reason. LET ME SHOOT THE FUCKING VAN. They are, uh, picking up the 'weapons'. OK! I can shoot! Die die die die die. Hooray! I shot the shit out of that van. That will show them not to go about their lives without being in constant fear of my superior firepower and indiscriminate use of it. Heh, that guy just drove over a body, what a fucking laugh. Today was a good day."

>>5649393
Seems fair, Count the seconds between firing and impact of the 30mm rounds

>>5649344
i chuckled irl

>>5649404
sorry you said feet, was thinking in meters. yea seems fair. rough distance in miles?

>>5649403
So get this, You're in a attack chopper 2 miles above possible enemy contacts. You are the gunner in a flying death machine. Ar you not happy

Besides they were escorting an infantry convey who came under attack earlier.

>>5649403
that is disturbingly accurate

>Today was a good day.

It was, wasn't it.

>>5649415
No, I would not be happy about killing people in cold blood.

>>5649403

Lemme shoot. I wanna shoot. I think the gunner is addicted to 'shoot'

>>5649390
He did not lie.
He was >implying.

>07:18 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse. We have individuals going to the scene, looks like possibly uh picking up bodies and weapons.
>07:25 Let me engage.
>07:28 Can I shoot?
>07:31 Roger. Break. Uh Crazyhorse >One-Eight request permission to uh engage.
>07:36 Picking up the wounded?
>07:38 Yeah, we're trying to get permission to engage.
>07:41 Come on, let us shoot!
>07:44 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
>07:49 They're taking him.
>07:51 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse One-Eight.
>07:56 This is Bushmaster Seven, go ahead.
>07:59 Roger. We have a black SUV-uh Bongo truck [van] picking up the bodies. Request permission to engage.
>08:02 Fuck.
>08:06 This is Bushmaster Seven, roger. This is Bushmaster Seven, roger. Engage.

>>5649428
are you a soldier? probably not
are you a college student? high probability
anyways cause you are not a soldier you aren't trained to kill.

>>5649429
I'm pretty sure their families gave a fuck.

>>5649403

>Apache escorting troops/etc.

>I see some people who I could shoot. I need a reason though. They are carrying things in their hands, I'll call those things weapons, and request permission to shoot them

If I don't shoot, I could be putting my fellow soldiers in harms way.

>AWESOME, DIE YOU FUCKERS! Hooray I killed them!

Honestly, who wouldn't feel awesome as a CHOPPAH GUNNAH

>Oh wait, some bastard survived. And he's unarmed so I don't get to finish him off.

Following rules of engagement.

>I hope he picks up a weapon...

Again, following rules of engagement

>I'll watch him closely just in case he goes anywhere near anything that looks like a weapon, then I'll blow him to pieces.

Sounds logical to me.

>Fuck, some civilian van has pulled up, looks like they are trying to help the guy who I shot for no reason. LET ME SHOOT THE FUCKING VAN.

You're fighting guerrilla fighters, who's one tactic that's making them so successful is that they blend in with the population. You can't really know for sure if it's a civilian van.

>>5649439
You touch on an important point. Being indifference to committing murder is not something that comes naturally, it has to be 'taught'.

>>5649452

>Being indifference to committing murder is not something that comes naturally

wtf am i reading

>>5649450
exactly, what if the gunner didnt fire cause he thought they were civvies, and say 20-30 soldiers died that day, well fuck citizens would be furious about how he didnt fire.

>>5649450
SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM, WE ARE GETTING THE VIDEO OUT OF CONTEXT, ALL MOST ALL THE FAGGOTS ON YOUTUBE HAVE NO CLUE THAT IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IN THE VIDEO, EVEN AFTER THE CAM FLICKERS TO NON IR MODE TOWARDS THE END.

>>5649456
>>5649452
he has a point, but hes also wrong. it is natural, simply being "taught" is just honing that natural skill.

>>5649463
while that makes sense, why are the cameramen filming at night? just kinda weird but whatever.

>>5649452
I don't think it's taught, it becomes normalized after daily exposure to it. Nurses, paramedics, doctors, firemen, police, mostly all don't react well at first but learn to cope quickly. Watching your friends and companions die I doubt can ever be taught and those memories drive stoic level headed people insane.

>>5649473
No idea.

I'm not sure that I like how the video was edited and annotated to make us hate the pilots. Doesn't seem very professional.

They should have shown just what they received and nothing more.

>>5649473
Was he pointing the camera at the chopper or the Bradly convoy waaay down the street? Cause we all know that those guy on the ground had no way to touch the chopper.

>>5649484
welcome to the american telivision/censorship system. we cant endorse war not since ww2.

fucking hell, i hope we're never occupied. i'd be staying in my house 24/7.

>>5649486
the range on the chain gun is 1.5 kilometers. they had no idea there was a helicopter watching them.

>>5649486
probably the bradley, since they probably didnt even know there was a apache watching them

>>5649484

there's an unedited one somewhere. yes, the one you're watching is bullshit.

>>5649458

Pffft the only time 20-30 soldiers die in a day is when a pilot flies a chinook into the ground.

>>5649494

It's 40 minutes long though. You can find a link on the "collateral murder" website.

is it really OK to mow down 20 people if only one or two of them have weapons?

what if it was 100 people? 1000?

>>5649501
>i gave a random example
godamn im not going for exact numbers by calculating their numbers and how many weapons/ammo they could be carrying

>>5649492
>>5649490
So the guy sees what was possibly a threat to the convoy he was called into protect, ask permission to fir multiple time, albeit enthusiastically, and toast some news caster and a few ak wielding guys + a van that drove up to drag the guys away, who for some dumbass reason decided "HEY LETS TAKE THE KIDS TO THE AREA THAT WAS JUST SPRAYED BY SOME FLYING MONSTERS DEATHCUM"

I'm okey with this.

Also if the chopper gunner was such a evil guy, why did he not open up on the Women and child?

>>5649514

>who for some dumbass reason decided "HEY LETS TAKE THE KIDS TO THE AREA THAT WAS JUST SPRAYED BY SOME FLYING MONSTERS DEATHCUM"

Now that I think about it, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>5649292

GOD BLESS AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE BECAUSE WITHOUT AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE WE WOULDN'T HAVE FOUND THOSE WMD'S IN IRA-- oh wait we didn't.

>>5649514
why are you quoting us?

>>5649347
Merkava MkIV can engage slow moving helicopters 4 kms away.

Modern tank guns are potentially really accurate.

>>5649521
I dunno lol!

>>5649463
What?
The video starts at UCT 0650. Baghdad is UCT+4 Which makes it somewhere about midday if I did my sums right.

>>5649519
hey maybe the kids would like to see bodies shot up!

You have 10 seconds to drop that gun or I have permision to open fire...10...9...8...7...6...5

>>5649523
That's fucking scary. "GUYS CHECK OUT THAT FUCKING TANK ON THE HILL, LETS TAKE SOME PICS WITH OUR HUGE CAMERA, OF FUCK MY LEGS ARE GONE!"

>>5649519

"Oh shit, there was an explosion nearby where my husband was supposed to be. EVERYONE GET IN THE VAN. ESPECIALLY THE KIDS. LET'S GO"

>>5649537
this will count as our vacation to the desert this year :D

do they really let retards like that get in control of such heavy firepower? he should be at home screaming over the mic in Call of Duty with all the other chucklefucks.

>>5649546
call of duty 4 was released probably when the gunner was in the middle of his officer/pilot training. he probably had no damn concern for the game or even heard about it

The Geneva Conventions aren't around to try to make war civilized. This isn't Star Trek where the civilians calmly march into suicide machines. The Geneva Conventions were put in place to try to keep stupid people from being killed needlessly. Picking your kids up from daycare in your unmarked van, then driving around a war zone picking up bodies and equipment make you stupid.

>>5649534
I lol'd

>>5649553
doubly so when there are monsters flying around spraying deathcum on things.

>>5649534

>>5649553
They didn't pick up a single corpse or any equipment. All they did was pick up a wounded man in an apparently empty street but little did they know that death comes from above.

>>5649513
>>5649513
>>5649513
>>5649513

Lol'd hard.

>>5649403
No, there is a line between the two that the pilot should be. You can't second guess ever time you need to fire, you can't be reluctant to fire until the LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT OF SAFTEY, but just the same, the way he was talking in this video was accurate to what you posted.

The thing is, the american military is a catchment for any piece of shit that can't get a job stacking shelves. 75% of the training syllibus is getting these people to belive in themselves that they are NOT worthless, they CAN do this job, that they are the BEST of the BEST, they are ready to KILL, and the folks that Command says to DESERVE to DIE. That leaves only 25% of time to, y'know, actually train up their efficency as leaders or soldiers. And that's what leads to this video.

>>5649463
>HAVE NO CLUE THAT IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IN THE VIDEO,
The kids were riding with dad on his job (a driver for journalists) after having finished school, it was daytime idiot

>>5649590
Faggots don't know how to check facts for themselves.
http://collateralmurder.com/en/timeline.html

sage

>>5649553
>>5649553

Only it isn't a warzone. The US RoE makes it clear.