Now I know some libfags are going to hate on me for this, but fuck the second ammendment. I don't get why the fuck we would let people have objects...WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO KILL PEOPLE. People argue "I can kill people with my car, should we outlaw cars?" No you fucking cuntface, CAUSE cars are used for transportation. People will also argue that guns don't contribute to crime, just to freedom. First of all, fuck you, there's a reason why we (americans) have a higher crime rate than almost all of europe...cause of the fucking guns. Also with the second ammendment you are basically just switching the freedom to walk the street at night for the freedom of containing a fucking deadly piece of metal.Fuck you if you disagree. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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nice trolling2/10wouldn't read again
Obvious troll.
>>5434924Someone put a little Sage into this copy pasta.0/10.
elmo thinks gun rights are importantAND SEXY
>>5434924>"I can kill people with my car, should we outlaw cars?" No you fucking cuntface, CAUSE cars are used for transportation.but we have guns CAUSE we need them for self defense.[spoiler]I of course would like to shoot them at other things[/spoiler]
>>5434924Could you look at this direction for the moment, pal?Thank you.
sage
idk if you knwo this, murrika was founded on war and violence, if you dont like it gtfo
think about it retard other countries shouldn't matter because other places basically need guns to stay safe with all of the shit going down and by shit i mean bad political figures messing up their place america=freedom guns are apart of that freedom say stupid things else where
missles don't even cut it this time
Differentials in international crime rates reflect basic socio-cultural and economic differences that have nothing to do with gun laws. After all: 1) Western Europe has not just far less gun violence but less violence of all kinds per capita; 2) This difference between the U.S. and Western Europe was even greater before the latter's gun laws were adopted in the 1920s and 1930s; 3) Those laws were adopted to control political violence -- to which those countries have always been far more subject than the U.S.; 4) As American violence skyrocketted from the mid-1960s on, violence rates increased even more rapidly in the gun banning countries (particularly gun violence); 5) In such equally crime- free countries as Switzerland, Israel and New Zealand there is even more gun availability than there is in the U.S.{13}http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/gun-control.html
>>5436838cool source broI'm sure you couldn't find another garbage source on the other side saying exactly the opposite.Shit like that makes gun owners look fucking stupid
Although the logic in his argument is flawed, you can't deny that a gun is solely a weapon.
>>5434924I dont care what people say, keep up the good work mod
>>5436984weapon is synonymous with tool, as weapon is an instrument with an intended use.guns are tools.
>>5437001Best post here.
>>5437001True, but weapons are distinguished as having the primary (if not soul) pourpose of cuasing harm/killing.I'm not saying that ridiculously strict laws concerning guns are needed, just that alot of people fail to realise this and it's that which contributes to alot of accidental deaths.
All the target shooters and hunters will be delighted to know that their firearms are only to kill people and not to provide entertainment or feed their famlies.
>>5437001I agree, but way too many on this board see them as something more, which is unhealthy.
>>5437011Do you know the original idea behind a hammer?
>>5437011
>>5437025They were used in the paleolithic to split stone or bone to make weapons.
ALL TOOLS ORIGINATED AS EITHER WEAPONS OR SOMETHING USED TO MAKE A WEAPONFUCK OFF
>>5437028Didn't notice the typo, lol, thanks.
>>5437036and to bash opponents brains in if necessary.
>>5437037No.
>>5437011>soul purposeTypo or something more?
>>5437036almost. except you listed the USE.The original idea behind a hammer was "hurr smash things" things that included skulls. The hammer essentially is a refined club.
>>5437043yes
>>5437042True, but that was the secondary use, not the primary one.
>>5436861Actually, no you can't. The data, when you look at it objectively, from a neutral point-of-view, clearly shows more guns = less crime.The "other side" has no choice but to utilize naked emotional appeals, anecdotes, strawman, and massaged (deliberately mis-interpreted) data to shore up their own faulty argument.
>>5437025yes
Gentlemen, use sage. Do your part to keep our board clean.
>>5437050How can you possibly know that?
>>5437053>paintingonly liberals paint.
>>5437048No, there were tools for butchering animal carcasses for food and to help make shelter.Regardless, the soul purpose of a gun is as a weapon.I'm not for increased gun control. Just for people who own guns to know the dangers associated and to handle them properly.
>>5437053We know next to nothing about prehistoric people in reality aside from commonly accepted guesses.This includes, but is not limited to, intended tool use, life expectancy, etc.
>>5437061And where did these animal carcasses come from?
>>5437061no.
>>5437058You do realise that argument goes both ways?Compared to clubs, hammers were more delicate and less effective as weapons.They were very good for truning other things into weapons though.
>>5437052Drink more of that kool-aid, no intelligent person would buy into that bullshit whether they were pro or anti. If there was a single shred of evidence that showed guns reduce crime you would see it outside of poorly disguised pro-gun propaganda from 20 years ago.
>>5437046>the hammer is essentially a refined club.Correctomundo.
>>5437072>implying a warhammer is less effective at braining someone than a club.
>>5437066Obviously they were killed with weapons, but that's besides the point, you said:>ALL TOOLS ORIGINATED AS EITHER WEAPONS OR SOMETHING USED TO MAKE A WEAPONAnd I provided examples of uses that did not fall into those two categories.
>>5437075feel free to disprove the studies, brah.Unless you want to say that minorities cause crime.
>>5437072I refuse to debate with an anonymous poster with bad grammar.
>>5437081>Implying paleolithic hammers were anywhere near as sturdy as medieval warhammers.
>>5437053Also here is some wikipedia copypasta, (I know /k/ knows more and wikipedia is wrong of course)The use of simple tools dates to about 2,400,000 BCE when various shaped stones were used to strike wood, bone, or other stones to break them apart and shape them. Stones attached to sticks with strips of leather or animal sinew were being used as hammers by about 30,000 BCE during the middle of the Paleolithic Stone Age. Its archeological record means it is perhaps the oldest human tool known.
>>5437082>implying that knives, hammers, etc. weren't ever used as weapons, or weren't just refinements of things originally used as weapons.
>>5437075Kennesaw, GeorgiaSwitzerlandBoth armed to the teeth, both have very low crime.
>>5437085Being prones to typos means I'm human, not that I have bad grammar.
>>5437092>implying Wikipedia is a trustworthy source>implying we can know the primary use of something based on remains found generally out of context>>5437088>Implying one rock is less sturdy than another rock
>>5437095Backtracking much?
Do you also want to ban spears, swords and bows and arrows?
>>5437108>Implying that a rock tied loosely to a stick with sinew is as sturdy as a single piece of carved wood
>>5437113>implying that something being fine tuned from a weapon means that its original use wasn't a weapon.
>>5437096Oh great info you have there! Guess I was wrong! BTW, it's nearly impossible to get a permit to carry in Switzerland, it's not the gun haven you want to believe it is.
>>5437125No, I was implying that your argument changed.
>>5437124>implying they were dumb enough to tie them loosely and didn't use small pointy flakes of rock attached in the same manner as a primary killing tool against creatures far sturdier than humans
>>5437136>Implying an axe is a hammer.
>>5437108Well if we don't know then we can only assume the use is whatever you, anonymous 4chan poster, believes it is. What the fuck do archaeologists know?
>>5437136Killing tool = weapon.
>>5437141>implying an axe isn't a modified hammer
>>5437128Everyone is issued an assault rifle.QED.More guns, less crime, don't change the argument. We all know thinking about disarming people gets your dick hard, but try and keep it in your pants or start another thread.>>5437132>implying that my argument ever changed.
>>5437147Nope, never did.An axe is a variation of a hammer however an axe is not a hammer.
>>5437128
>>5437148Yes, I made that implication. Well done for restating my post.Also, if the guns are not in public how do they prevent crime? That's the same logic as saying that ice cream causes skin cancer or pirates prevent climate change. Correlation does not mean causation.
>>5437142not a whole lot.Archaeology is an incredibly incomplete science that's essentially a guessing game.We used to think that raptors didn't have feathers. not archaeo, but the same province of study. various remains without context, the context being put together in a guessing match. It's essentially one step above pure philosophical argumentation
>>5437174Ok.In which case>>5437025becomes an irrelevant argument.
>>5437148Why are violent crime rates so low in Japan and New Zealand, places it's nearly impossible to own a gun?
>>5437184Why are violent crime rates so high in Russia, Mexico and other places where it's nearly impossible to own a gun?>>5437182pretty much. according to the definition, though, a gun is a tool.
>>5437182>>5437182sup samefag
>>5437162Switzerland has HEAVY gun control. Yes you get an issue Sig 55x, which is converted back to semi when your time in service is over, and ammo is limited and only allowed through the government. Purchasing guns is a huge pain in the ass and carry is non existent unless you have a job that requires it.
>>5437202Yes, and>>5437011
>>5437184low minority groups+beaches
>>5437211lolwut?
>>5437202Then all weapons can be considered "tools," however, tools that are made specifically for killing people are given the more narrowly-defined term of "weapons."tl;dr, guns are weapons.
>>5437211But everyone has a gun.Are you going to say that they don't *actually* have guns?
>>5437220was directed at>>5437210misclick, sorry
>>5437184why does Japan have such a high suicide rate if there are so few guns? you people try to blame suicide on guns too, so explain that one.
>>5437202Could it be that guns don't have anything to do with crime rates? WE HAVE A FUCKING WINNER! SOMEONE FINALLY GOT IT!
>>5437236Nope, suicide is down to the individual and their environment.I've never claimed otherwise. It's stupid to do so.
>>5437211>heavy gun control>everyone is armed with at least a semi auto riflederp
>>5437237Yes, that was the original point because someone was trying to argue that moe guns meant less crime.
>>5437223guns are made for killing *things*You can't very well make an argument based around a definition that no one will agree with besides people who already agree with you entirely.>weapon:>1. An instrument of attack or defense in combat, as a gun, missile, or sword.>2. Zoology A part or organ, such as a claw or stinger, used by an animal in attack or defense.>3. A means used to defend against or defeat anotherTherefore anything can be a weapon if it can be used to apply force in defense or aggression
>>5437237holy fuck you are stupid
>>5437251*sigh*gun CONTROL =/= gun PROHIBITION
>>5437237Therefore there's no reason why people *shouldn't* carry them.Aside from the fact that you're scared of them.
>>5437236You completely change the subject and try and attribute an unrelated belief to me? Just give up>>5437225They do, but how do they affect violent crime if they can't leave their mandatory locked cases inside their homes? I already brought up other countries with lower crime rates and no gun ownership, care to explain those or are you ready to admit guns have absolutely no impact on crime?
>>5437260Yes, nearly anything can be a weapon.That doesn't change the fact that a gun is ONLY a weapon.
>>5437273i use guns to cut my watermelons.
>>5437273A katana is only a weapon but you dont see people screaming to ban them.
>>5437275A knife would work better bro.
I dont think that you can argue that getting rid of guns wouldn't reduce the number of people killed by them but I think that we americans all willingly tolerate a certain amount of violence. Guns make me happy and I dont want to see them get banned, and I think enough people agree with me to keep them around.
>>5437261>>5437251I'm stupid, yet for some reason nobody can come up with a single point refuting what I say outside some unfounded ad homs. GOOD JOB!
>>5437273see picture.QED
>>5437276True, but I don't want guns banned. I'd just like it if people acknowledged that they are weapons.
>>5437284>get pwned>state that you win>run away under the pretense of "having stuff to do"
>>5437286Some people found a secondary use for their guns.Woot.How does that make a gun not a wepon?also, lrn2QED
>>5437289I'm still here, going to try and refute anything I say or is that your admittance of defeat? You the same anon that said "most gun owners carry"? Which one is it? When will you realize I'm much smarter and well informed than you?
>>5437299Yeah, a gun is a weapon. So fucking what?
>>5437289>Implying that he left.>Implying he implied he won.>Implying there were any decent counterarguments.
>>5437284no but seriously.I'm not going to waste my time arguing about this shitback to trollin'
>>5437305That was my point all along, when so many people refused to admit that.That's all I wanted.Thank you.
>>5437288I suppose they are tools that are designed with the primary purpose of killing animals. What changes if people acknowledge they are weapons?
>>5437314A gun is a tool that is so specialized it gets a dual classification as a weapon.
>>5437306>implying you aren't heartbreaker
>>5437321FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-------
>>5437319If people acknowledge that guns are weapons, you'll (hopefully) get less people using guns as compensation for a lacking anatomy and more people ahdnling them sensibly.
>>5437324You caught me, I used a proxy to evade the flood detection just so I could samefag 10 seconds after I posted
>>5437324I'm not. You wish I were, but I'm not.
