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    16 KB Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:17 No.3989896  
    1. Your country

    2. Your opinion on guns
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:19 No.3989912
    America

    all white people should carry gunz to defend them selves form niqqers and al kida
    >> Liberty !primeMEbkw 07/16/11(Sat)14:20 No.3989917
    America
    Criminals will always have them regardless of laws.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:21 No.3989925
    USA
    i'm of the opinion that people are gonna kill each other regardless
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:22 No.3989929
    USA
    It's good for shooting people I don't like.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:23 No.3989934
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    1. Germany
    2. Pure sex.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:25 No.3989944
    UK

    what are guns?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:25 No.3989946
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    Yes, everyone should be required to carry gun in pic.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:25 No.3989947
    Britain

    I feel we're going to have a thread where people think guns are only for shooting people.
    I shoot 2 times a week. .22lr free standing. Full bore prone and pistols.

    Gubment took the real pistols in the 90s so I have to use a replica powered by Co2 firing 4.5mm pellets. It's weighs the same as the real thing, cost the same as the real thing, and was built to the same designs so I figure it's just as good though.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:26 No.3989950
    >>3989934

    The fuck is that
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:26 No.3989952
    Mexico
    Quick fix fantasy that doesn't solve the problem
    If you need a gun to keep you safe, something is very wrong.

    Ok for recreational purposes.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:29 No.3989970
    France

    What is a "gun" ?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:30 No.3989975
    >>3989950
    Luger carbine with an underbarrel .22 so you can shoot guns while shooting your gun.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:31 No.3989983
    1. France

    2. Normal citizens shouldn't have access to them because of dumbass like >>3989912, >>3989925 and >>3989929.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:31 No.3989985
    >>3989975
    >carbine
    I'll pass
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:32 No.3989997
    USA

    I HATE YOU TROLLS DON'T MAKING FUN ABOUT MY GUNS
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:32 No.3989998
    >>3989896
    1. USA
    2. People without a criminal record and with a clean bill of mental health should be able to get them. (I live in California and own 5 myself)
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:33 No.3990000
    >>3989983
    hey my opinion was that it doesn't matter if they stay or go (as long as cops and military still have them), fuck off
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:37 No.3990027
    >>3989983
    So you would love to get raped by a pack of n!ggers huh? Stay stupid Frenchfags.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:40 No.3990045
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    Florida

    I have 3. A Remington 1100 16 gauge semi-auto shotgun, a Remington 721 30-06 sniper rifle and a Winchester model 94 30-30 deer rifle. Pic related

    I've never shot anything living, except trees.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:41 No.3990052
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    >mfw retards on /int/ think banning guns is gonna keep it out of the hand of criminals.
    >mfw the only thing you have to defend yourself when a burglar breaks into your house is a fork.
    >> Florida Fag 07/16/11(Sat)14:52 No.3990116
    >>3990052
    Actually I keep all my rifles in their cases under the bed, unloaded, so if a burglar actually did break in I probably would not shoot them, but I might take the shotgun and cock the breach just to scare.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:54 No.3990123
    >>3990052
    >mfw retards on /int/ think banning guns is gonna keep it out of the hand of criminals.
    Well, where will criminal buy guns if they are illegal ? Mmh, perhaps black market. Which is far more complicated than real market and in fewer quantities. Let's see what happens in civilized countries where guns are banned : only few villains have guns, the biggest bad ass. And they usually interact with other villains or the police, not normal people. So you are way less susceptible to be robbed with a gun or assassinated than in the US.

    And I'd like to know. How many people do actually defend themselves with a gun in front of another armed man ?

    This thing of "yeah it is not a problem if criminals can easily access guns because I can defend myself also" is a complete myth, man.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:57 No.3990134
    US, i love the hell out of them. I've had to get rid of most of mine, since I'm moving to germany in a year. I still have;

    Sig Sauer .40 cal subcompact, in case of negros.
    CZ VZ58 in case i want to have fun and dump ammo on things, because its both fun and more accurate than AK's or SKS's
    Remington 700 in 30-06 in case i need to shoot something 400m+ away.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:57 No.3990137
    mfw fags dont know how to properly handle a gun
    also guns make me feel uncomfortable, i have lived in america for one year and i felt less save than in russia
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:58 No.3990147
    >>3990123
    this
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)14:59 No.3990150
    >>3990137

    > mfw fags dont know how to properly handle a gun

    /k/ all over

    There was a thread where OP was asking people to chamber a round then pull the slide back to show the round. Some even took shots looking down the barrel with a round chambered.

    My guns stay in a locked case until I am seconds away from shooting.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:02 No.3990166
    >>3990052
    I concur with this man. You basically have two teams here, the teams of chaos and the teams of order. Now, obviously, the government endorses the order team and all people that support order. People that support order won't buy guns if the government tells them not to (because herp derp order) but chaos folk (think gangs and mafias) don't give a fuck what the government says. So basically, if a government bans guns, they're only keeping guns out of the hands of people that would use them for order and giving the enemies of the government an insane advantage over the society. Really isn't the smartest thing to do. I mean sure, I'm sure you'll be able to find some examples of kids getting into their parents' guns and offing themselves on accident, but is it really common enough to justify illegalization? And did the world really just loose another Einstein? Of course not. I've lived with guns and knives my entire life and I've never been stupid enough to use them outside of legal parameters. If I WAS stupid enough to do that, then I probably didn't deserve life anyway.

    Peace.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:03 No.3990178
    Iceland
    Like them alot and I want US-style laws but that will never happen. Too much ignorance and prejudice here.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:03 No.3990184
    >>3990123
    Criminals already get guns primarily from the black market.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:05 No.3990199
    >>3990123
    Just because you're not banning guns doesn't mean you can't regulate them to keep criminals from getting them legally, something we already do. We just need to up the penalties and observation of gun-sellers who aren't abiding by these regulations and problem solved.
    >> Liberty !primeMEbkw 07/16/11(Sat)15:07 No.3990214
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoMqB0VU4U
    This'll explain it.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:09 No.3990233
    USA

    Self-defense is a fundamental civil right. Firearms allow people who would otherwise be physically outmatched or outnumbered to defend themselves.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:16 No.3990268
    black market for guns in amereica is different from black market for guns in other countries
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:17 No.3990272
    canada
    understandable for hunting and police, otherwise fuck off
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:23 No.3990304
    England

    Do not want.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:24 No.3990309
    France
    Do not want
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:28 No.3990328
    >>3989952
    Brazilian here. I agree.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:29 No.3990335
    Denmark

    Guns are cool and all, but I don't think they should be legalised for private use. If only the government could properly control them.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:30 No.3990341
    Brazil

    Do not want.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:33 No.3990353
    Finland
    I don't really want eny
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:43 No.3990402
    >>3990184 and >>3990199
    Regulation with gun sellers, really ?

    Real regulation would be directly at gun and bullets manufacturing, not at gun selling. A gun-maker shouldn't be allowed to sell guns or bullets to anybody else than the state (excepting hunting-rifles, with a specific regulation). No gun sellers for ordinary citizens, just a public call for bids. Ok, perhaps there would be illegal factories and bullets stolen, but that's easier to control.

    Americans, open your eyes a little bit : gun ban is working in Europe. A lot less deceased by guns here. And we are not all constantly freaked out because of potential criminals that could attack us with guns, that just (rarely) happen. Burglars do not have guns (if you appear to be in the house they usually fly away). Some people can attack you in the street with a gun for your money but that's unlikely to happen (few black market guns) and even if you had a gun in this situation it would be useless. Same thing with armed bank and shops robbery : it happens but it is really not frequent, I don't think you having a gun will change anything, and police then hunt down the criminals. Big drug criminals have guns, but they use them mainly between them (not my problem).

    BTW, the whole world would also be better of if international weapon selling was also banned.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:45 No.3990416
    Norway

    Guns for hunting and sport are ok.
    But guns like automatic pistols and rifles for self defense are not so ok, cause if you decide to give the people guns then the authorities have to carry guns.
    And then it's only a matter of time before some people that should not have been shot, getting shot. Also the police is going to be a bitch because they will have to treat everyone like a potentially armed person.

    Just look at USA.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:47 No.3990434
    >strong civil institutions
    >good education
    >good healthcare
    >job opportunities
    >fair salaries
    I will take those, instead.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)15:53 No.3990463
    >>3990402

    You're a full on retarded hoplophobe

    hoplophobe - an irrational fear of weapons, generally guns, usually occuring as a result of liberal upbringing, or the fact that the person is just a wimp in general, rather than deal with the fear, said hoplophobe will assign, human characteristics to a weapon IE guns are evil or guns kill to justify the fear rather than deal with the core problem of being a sissy.

    Fact: Gun laws have no effect whatsoever on criminal activity

    Fact: It's far easier and cheaper to acquire guns through the black market
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:02 No.3990512
    1. Netherlands

    2. People are retards and should have absolutely no way of getting a gun. Same goes for police and military. Military is as good as useless nowadays, probably never going to use it again. Abolishan time!
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:03 No.3990514
    >>3990402
    Plenty of crimunals in Europe have guns, just not as many. And in a lot of Europe, responding to an existenital threat with deadly force will get you thrown in prison. It must be great to know that your system of governance values the lives of criminals over the lives of law abiding citizens...
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:07 No.3990523
    >>3990512
    Are you saying in general or specifically for Holland?
    >> Liberty !primeMEbkw 07/16/11(Sat)16:09 No.3990538
    >>3990463
    >Fact: It's far easier and cheaper to acquire guns through the black market
    This is true.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:09 No.3990539
    >>3990463
    >You're a full on retarded hoplophobe
    >hoplophobe - an irrational fear of weapons, blablabla.
    Weapons can easily kill people. So I don't find it irrational to be afraid of weapons, especially when they are into someone else hand. You are not ? Like if there was a big bad ass with a gun in the hand pointing it at you saying "say goodbye to the world" you wouldn't be afraid at all ? And you would think : "oh, I'm really secure right now cause I can buy a gun if I want" ? Yeah.

    Evidently, if I was living in a country like the US, I wouldn't be a pussy and I would buy a gun and learn to use it. But I find the situation better if they are banned and a lot less criminals have them by the effect of this ban and less people die violently around me. That's all.

    >Fact: Gun laws have no effect whatsoever on criminal activity.
    Say who ? And I don't care if they do not have effect on criminal activity (the amount of drug sold, things being stolen, things you can do without a gun). The problem is the amount of violent deaths and the probability to be one day in front of a crazy drug user with a gun in the hand asking you for money or something like that.

    >Fact: It's far easier and cheaper to acquire guns through the black market
    When there is a "white" market. Without a market, without so many gun, bullet factories, gun selling points, I assure you there are less guns in circulation they are expensive (because likely stolen from the police, the army or a guarded factory), that's simple offer/demand economics.
    >> Liberty !primeMEbkw 07/16/11(Sat)16:11 No.3990553
    >>3990539
    Seems pretty irrational to me.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:18 No.3990587
    1. Austria

    2. In an environment where there is a distinct lack of guns, we don't need to introduce them. Taking away the guns of law abiding citizens, where every crook owns a Panzerfaust, is idiotic too.
    >> Liberty !primeMEbkw 07/16/11(Sat)16:20 No.3990602
    >>3990539
    >Weapons can easily kill people
    Typical "DURR PEOPLE DON'T KILL PEOPLE GUNS KILL PEOPLE" mentality. You should feel ashamed for saying that.
    >Evidently, if I was living in a country like the US, I wouldn't be a pussy and I would buy a gun and learn to use it.
    Using logic, you're a pussy everywhere else.
    >Say who ?
    Says facts and numbers.
    >The problem is the amount of violent deaths and the probability to be one day in front of a crazy drug user with a gun in the hand asking you for money or something like that
    The amount of armed robberies with a gun increased drastically in Australia after the gun ban (because the robber needn't worry about getting shot).
    >When there is a "white" market. Without a market, without so many gun, bullet factories, gun selling points, I assure you there are less guns in circulation they are expensive (because likely stolen from the police, the army or a guarded factory), that's simple offer/demand economics.
    Well, our ATF in America are selling truckloads of guns to criminals for minimal prices. Also, there are many outlets for guns to be bought illegally. With a gun ban, 85-90% of our currently owned guns will go underground, thus creating a market for guns, further lowering the prices.
    Also, criminals WANT a gun ban. It only makes it easier to commit crimes when the victim cannot fight back.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:29 No.3990643
    >>3990539

    You are irrational, creating scenarios in your head that don't exist in real life to placate your unfounded fears.

    In most homicides, guns are not the cause of death and cars kill more people than guns annually, perhaps we should ban them too.

    >Say who ? And I don't care if they do not have effect on criminal activity (the amount of drug sold, things being stolen, things you can do without a gun). The problem is the amount of violent deaths and the probability to be one day in front of a crazy drug user with a gun in the hand asking you for money or something like that.

    Department of Justice did a study on it

    http://www.guncite.com/10myths.htm

    >When there is a "white" market. Without a market, without so many gun, bullet factories, gun selling points, I assure you there are less guns in circulation they are expensive (because likely stolen from the police, the army or a guarded factory), that's simple offer/demand economics.

    What does that have to do with the black market? One way or another criminals are going to acquire guns, disarming law abiding citizens so they can't defend themselves is stupid.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:47 No.3990703
    >>3990602
    why do you discuss with an american about guns? it's like discussing with a christian about religion.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)16:58 No.3990752
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    >>3990703
    I lol'ed.

    Seriously though. I own a small arsenal. H&K USP .40 compact, an antique Belgian 16 gauge shotgun for (non-regulation) skeet shooting, and a Steyr AUG A-3 clone (MSAR 556) for "heavier work".
    I shoot them at the range and have a concealed weapons carry permit. I have had this permit for 7 years now... I have only carried my gun once. The ONE place I felt I might need it was the one city nearby where I wasn't allowed to carry it- Chicago. There was a concert in a shitty area and I didn't care if it was illegal (at the time there was a Supreme Court case in DC pending, so I felt I could get away with it), I felt it was needed. Other than that, not one other time I've brought my gun somewhere.

    I like having the guns, shooting them is an interesting and fun hobby. They do not define my life or my politics. I'm a liberal atheist that doesn't hunt, go figure. I don't harbor fantasies of using the gun to defend my home or life, it really doesn't often cross my mind that I'd ever have to truly use my guns. My dad taught me proper gun handling and safety at age 6 when I shot my first proper (.380) pistol.

    I've lived in Europe (Germany for a year) and fail to see why other developed countries are so scared shitless of firearms. Banning guns works great for you guys and it's not my place to impose political doctrine on you- so you can carry on without large scale firearms ownership if it suits you. For me, I'll keep my guns because I enjoy having them and it's my right. What's a right if you don't exercise it?

    >Amerifag here
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:04 No.3990766
    >>3990602
    >Weapons can easily kill people
    Yes, I'm ashamed of making such a shortcut in a language that is not mine. OK, so : weapons can easily be used to kill people, ore more precisely, fire weapons are tools with which someone can easily kill someone else, at distance. Just press a little thing. I think that's physically and psychologically easier for someone to kill someone else with a fire weapon than with a knife, a bow and arrow or anything else.

    >The amount of armed robberies with a gun increased drastically in Australia after the gun ban (because the robber needn't worry about getting shot).
    >With a gun ban, 85-90% of our currently owned guns will go underground, thus creating a market for guns, further lowering the prices.
    In this you're right. I agree with you on the fact that there would be a transition problem if a gun ban would be decided in the USA. But that's just because you've been stupid and let so many fire weapons circulate in first place. I don't know how you could get out of the gun problem in your country in a safe way.

    >In most homicides, guns are not the cause of death and cars kill more people than guns annually, perhaps we should ban them too.
    But there are many people killed by guns or not ? This deaths could be avoided, independently of other deaths.

    I understand the pleasure of firing. I'd like, perhaps, once in my life, to fire with a gun in a gun club. But I'm just saying the insecurity created by the fact that a lot of guns are manufactured and are in circulation if far bigger that the security created by the fact you can buy one and defend yourself (if you have the gun on you when you're threatened). I find it better, for the global security in a country, if guns are a rare thing and the police is globally better armed than criminals.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:05 No.3990770
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    >Denmark

    >If the gangs have them, I'll have one to defend myself, too.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:17 No.3990816
    >>3990539
    You fucking jackass, do you know how many stabbings there are in places where guns are outright banned? If you're going to harp on weapons, harp on all weapons, not just guns you hypocritical cunt
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:25 No.3990844
    >1. Your country
    Mexico
    >2. Your opinion on guns

    They're good at shooting bullets.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:34 No.3990870
    >>3989952

    I have always found anti-gun Mexicans to be really really funny, your country is falling apart and you still say:
    >If you need a gun to keep you safe, something is very wrong.

    Yeah, something IS very wrong, someone broke into my house at 2 AM and I don't have a cop sitting on my nightstand.

    Your cops are corrupt as all shit and you're still saying bullshit like "it wont solve anything", it'll keep your countrymen safe when pedro has a few too many lines and decides you need to die for looking at him funny.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:37 No.3990878
    >>3990870
    Seriously, as if Mexicans are in any position to pass judgment on the safety in other countries. Even small time car thieves are armed with pistols and they still cling to their government "guns are evil" brainwashing. Their laws insure that only criminals are properly armed.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:41 No.3990901
    Australia.

    Cowardly.

    Bonus: America is retarded for allowing civilians to own them.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:44 No.3990920
    >>3990870
    And I find US criticisms funny as well. You claim to be a safe country and yet you can't live in peace without a gun. What does that say?

    And read my post carefully. Something is very, very wrong with Mexico, no questions there.

    And guns are not evil, people who use them for evil are evil. Arming every one will not solve crime, there must be another way than turning cities into an every man for himself post apocalyptic scenario.

    And I didn't criticize the security of any other country, the one I care for the most is my own. If we ever fix it I'll let you know.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:44 No.3990921
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    >>3990539
    >a lot less criminals have them by the effect of this ban

    Sure thing there.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:44 No.3990922
    Mexico.

    Every citizen should be allowed to have guns for protection.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:44 No.3990923
    Chile
    Fire weapons are for girls, real men use swords, axes, clubs and bows.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:44 No.3990927
    >>3990816
    Here >>3990539, >>3990766, etc.

    The thing is, I have practiced various martial arts (jiu-jitsu, savate) and I always carry a knife on me – true story, bro. I'm not such a pussy as amerifags want me to be. Still thinking broad gun circulation is a stupidity, though.

    So if someone try to stab me, I have a bigger opportunity to actually defend myself than if someone try to shoot me. You cannot stab at distance and a knife is easier to dodge than a bullet.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:49 No.3990948
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    >>3990920
    >there must be another way than turning cities into an every man for himself post apocalyptic scenario.

    This is what Mexicans actually believe.

    Pic related, it's a post apocalyptic American town swarming with gun battles.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:54 No.3990977
    >>3990927

    There are only two types of people who fight fair, idiots and dead men. The fact that you're so afraid to use a tool that simplify things on the simple basis that "it's for pussies" shows that you know fuck all about fighting.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)17:56 No.3990991
    >>3990920
    >You claim to be a safe country
    No, I'm not claiming it, I'm straight up saying we're a lot safer than Mexico, we're worlds apart on that issue, we're unbelievably more safe than Mexico is.

    > and yet you can't live in peace without a gun
    Funny how that works huh? I can't live in peace without it and criminals can't live in peace knowing that I can have one.

    >Arming every one will not solve crime
    And this is where gun control advocates prove they don't know what they're talking about, no one is saying give every toddler and mental patient a gun, we're saying make them unrestricted to upstanding responsible citizens without making them pay ungodly amounts of taxes and limiting them on their use in self defence (all things your country does).
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:01 No.3991005
    I'll just leave this here.


    "As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.

    In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

    The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

    Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189."

    Read more: 25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA' http://www[dot]wnd[dot]com/?pageId=41196#ixzz1SJAJG2hF
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:03 No.3991012
    >>3990922
    Every Mexican Citizen CAN own a gun, but the Mexican Government puts so many restrictions it's obvious they don't want anyone to own them.

    No CCW permits
    No OCW permits
    Only 10 in your lifetime
    Firearms can't leave your house unless going to the range.
    Must be bought in Mexico city even if you live in La Paz.
    Disgusting amounts of Taxes to be paid.
    Self defence is only applicable if in your own home.

    Mexican gun laws are disgusting and only get innocent people killed and Mexicans by and large don't fucking get that.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:04 No.3991016
    México

    Tengo flojera en escribir en ingles y mejor lo hago en español (después de todo esta permitido) mi opinión sobre las armas es que es lo mejor que ha existido, si eso digo, usen un AK-47 y verán que se siente muy bien
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:09 No.3991027
    spain

    guns are cool. I've allways wanted one. It's not easy to get one legally here
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:11 No.3991029
    >>3990991
    The US and Mexico are worlds apart, I'll give you that. What works for you will not work for Mexico.

    Arming every responsible citizen would not solve crime, not in the state we are now. There have been very brave citizens who have fought back and as much as I respect them, they have ended up dead. This does not mean they shouldn't fight back, but this mentality will only escalate if the real issue causing the violence is not fixed.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:11 No.3991030
    Owning guns for self defense is ok... I've been mugged and it's horrible. I can understand how gun owners feel.

    However the paranoid fucks who buy guys to defend themselves from SWAT, the Army, the Illuminati, M12 and the aliens are fucking stupid and make normal gun rights supporters look bad. when someone starts ranting about their need to own guns to protect themselves from the evil guvmint, it only makes me feel embarrassed about my hobby
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:13 No.3991037
    Every time the Government has the violence monopoly, bad things happen. People should be free to be armed and take their own decisions.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:16 No.3991045
    >>3990927
    You're still a massive hypocrite.

    >>3990977
    This. A million times this.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:18 No.3991048
    >>3991029
    >What works for you will not work for Mexico.
    Except it ISN'T just us.

    >if the real issue causing the violence is not fixed.

    The real issue causing violence is that criminals have free reign because they KNOW damn near no one CAN fight back and those that can are easily bought (cops).

    You're showing signs of denialism, there's proof all around you and you keep denying the obvious, guns aren't going to make Mexico a 1st world nation, they're not going to stop corruption or make buses run on time, but that's not what they're for, they will just keep people safe.

    It's starting to look more and more like you think Mexicans are too stupid to handle legalized guns.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:19 No.3991056
    1. Slovenia
    2. Ideal man-kills-the-whole-family-and-then-himself weapon for retards. Guns are from the 20. century and by that I mean outdated. Social programs, effective social net and effective police force does the trick when keeping the crime down. IF a thief appears in your house you smash his head with a baseball bat, If he has a guns, he'll be pounded to dust by the police force.

    tl;dr: Better social care+restricted guns=less retards killing each other
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:24 No.3991074
    >>3991056
    >If he has a guns, he'll be pounded to dust by the police force.

    How are Slovenian police officers able to instantly teleport to your house after you call them? Because in 10 minutes a home invader can kill you and still have time to GTFO before the cops get there.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:24 No.3991076
    >>3991037
    You're forgetting that average people are dumb as fuck
    And how are you feeling when giving retards guns?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:27 No.3991091
    >>3991076
    >You're forgetting that average people are dumb as fuck

    proof pl0x

    >how are you feeling when giving retards guns?
    proof that any government gives retards firearms for personal use.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:28 No.3991095
    >>3990977
    You really don't understand, do you ? I'm not afraid of using guns if I had to.

    I'm just living in a country where there are really few deaths caused by guns and few robberies implying guns. There has never been a case of a crazy kid or former employee entering his school or company and killing everybody or this kind of things. From a political point of view, I like this situation and I have strong reasons to believe our strict legislation on guns has something to do with it.

    Ok, statistics. I've just googled it, we've got something like 70 deaths per year caused by firearms, but that includes suicides and hunting accidents. Of this 70 deaths, only one policeman in mean killed per year.

    The situation is not perfect, there are right now more and more illegal guns circulating in Europe. It is said that you can buy an AK47 for as cheap as 200€. But I believe it is way more effective for public safety to fight this traffic than to just give everybody the right to carry a gun.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:31 No.3991108
    >>3991095
    >But I believe it is way more effective for public safety to fight this traffic

    Why the shit can't you do both?

    also LOL at trying to stop the flow of illegal weapons when Europe is right next to the worlds largest stockpile of ex-soviet firearms in the world and they all get transported through overland routes.

    If you honestly think you can stop that, you dream sir, and your dreams get people killed.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:31 No.3991109
    >>3991074
    Becouse:
    1.There is no or very little crime, if there are any break ins it's during the vacations. Gun crime is non-existent. The last gun related death was 1 year ago when a mentally unstable husband killed his wife with a smuggled revolver from Bosnia

    2. I pound him with a baseball bat. The only way he can get a gun is illegaly via smuggling which is very difficult due to Schengen border.

    3. German mentality of order. No Slovene is dumb enough to kill, we got that enough ten and sixty years ago. The only ones are gipsies which are the nubmer one problem.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:33 No.3991115
    >>3991095

    >I'm just living in a country where there are really few deaths caused by guns and few robberies implying guns. There has never been a case of a crazy kid or former employee entering his school or company and killing everybody or this kind of things. From a political point of view, I like this situation and I have strong reasons to believe our strict legislation on guns has something to do with it.

    No there have been studies that show that gun laws have no effect whatsoever on the level of crime. There are a variety of factors that causes low crime rate in your area but gun laws are not one of them.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:36 No.3991125
    >>3991115
    The amount of gun related deaths and injuries plummeted in Australia after the gun ban was introduced. if your country has a education/unemployment problem then maybe you should try working on that.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:38 No.3991132
    >>3991109
    >There is no or very little crime, if there are any break ins it's during the vacations.
    Blaming foreigners, nice.

    >Gun crime is non-existent.
    Bullfuck.

    >I pound him with a baseball bat
    This is your scenario remember? He has a gun, congrats, you're dead now.
    >The only way he can get a gun is illegaly via smuggling
    wrong

    >No Slovene is dumb enough to kill,
    >we got that enough ten and sixty years ago.
    You contradicted yourself.

    >The only ones are gipsies which are the nubmer one problem.
    And now you're a racist.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:39 No.3991133
    >>3991091
    >proof pl0x
    look at history and look at present
    >Communism
    >Nazism
    >Bush elected
    >Obama elected
    >War
    >Religion


    >proof that any government gives retards firearms for personal use.
    I was refering to the average dumb human being
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:40 No.3991138
    >>3991048
    Mexico's problem is not petty crime or gangsters, these are armed militias. Some even have military training.

    Responsible gun use might stop an armed robbery or break-in, we have plenty of those and would be nice to drop the statistics. But again, that is not our main problem.

    What good is subduing a criminal and landing them in jail if they will be able to walk out freely the next day? What good is a hand gun if you're against a fully automatic assault rifle, and grenades and armored vehicles?

    So in a world where Mexico's institutions cannot be bought and paid for, where criminals fear jail time then yes, having armed citizens might help. That is not the Mexico of today.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:45 No.3991159
    >>3991125

    >The amount of gun related deaths and injuries plummeted

    And did the level of crime decrease?
    >> (ノ´_ゝ`)ノ !MoeMoe/nYc 07/16/11(Sat)18:46 No.3991167
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    >1. Your country
    Germany

    >2. Your opinion on guns
    I think more liberal gun laws could lead to more democracy, since armed citizens could at least try to shoot corrupt pigs and defend themselves against oppressive capitalists.
    Having the population armed will also help once the revolution comes, one reason why the socialists lost was because they were out-gunned by the reactionary forces.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:46 No.3991168
    >>3991125
    >The amount of gun related deaths and injuries plummeted in Australia after the gun ban was introduced

    WELL GEE WIZ, you're on an island so you can easily reduce the number of a thing and the amount of times said thing is used reduces....imagine that.

    Too bad crime is still UP.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:52 No.3991205
    >>3991138
    Supposing for a second you had a really good point (you don't) why would it be bad to stop the break ins and bank robberies if you can't stop roving pillaging militias with the same law?

    Secondly, what the shit makes you think it would only be handguns that responsible citizens have access to? Why are you limiting an innocent civilians right to self defence to using only handguns?

    inb4 you think I'm saying everyone should have a flamethrower.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:53 No.3991212
    >>3991159
    not at all, it actually shot up 4.8%.

    Surprisingly criminals don't give two rat shits what the law says, whodathunkit?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)18:54 No.3991216
    >>3991132
    >Blaming foreigners, nice.
    Are you pretending to be dumb? The houses are EMPTY during the vacations so NO ONE is in them. That makes them a NICE TARGET

    >Bullfuck.
    I gave you an example and on top of that Slovenia has 0.6 firearm homicide rate
    per 100,000 pop. according to Wik. USA has 2.97

    >This is your scenario remember? He has a gun, congrats, you're dead now.
    He doesn't becouse he can't get it dumbfuck

    >wrong
    And how do you suppose you can get a gun illegaly? Steal it? From who? Except for hunter and police no one has it. Make it Yourself lol?

    >You contradicted yourself.
    How is contradicting when I give an example of invadors killing our people?

    >And now you're a racist.
    And you are the dumbfuck brainwashed multiculty American. Who do you think smuggles guns from former Yu? The racist cards seems to be the average American trumph card when he has jack shit to say. Gypsies ARE leading in criime, they ARE smuggling weapons, drugs, people and other illegal stuff. And they LIKE to shoot into air with their AK47 for fun. At least the ones from LOwer Carniola. Prekmurje gypsies are cool
    >> (ノ´_ゝ`)ノ !MoeMoe/nYc 07/16/11(Sat)18:55 No.3991223
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    >>3991205
    Every human has the god given right to own a state-of-the-art MBT.
    Criminals can easily buy MBTs on the black market, why would you take this right from law abiding citizens, you crime enabler?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:00 No.3991259
    >>3991205
    Because militias are better left to the military to deal with. Petty crime controlled by those very same militias or people claiming to work for them.

    Facilitating gun ownership would facilitate it for the criminals (assuming we are talking about the real Mexico and not the fantasy Mexico where shit works). The current ban doesn't stop them, but it at least makes them work for it more.

    Given current events, giving citizens the right to carry fully automatic assault rifles would result in an escalation and we WOULD end up with everyone having flamethrowers, rocket launchers, and not leaving home without full body armor.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:04 No.3991279
    I've heard that University of Texas allows to carry guns to students, professors, and staff. How are they doing it with that policy? Is it working?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:04 No.3991283
    >>3989983
    And this is why you will be slave of the goverment. Im American and guns are our equalizer. It helps us protect our love ones and keep the government on check.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:05 No.3991286
    >>3991216
    >Are you pretending to be dumb?

    You can't describe a situation properly and I'm dumb? I thought you meant when people come to visit your country, I guess I thought Slovenia was nicer than it is.

    >I gave you an example and on top of that Slovenia has 0.6 firearm homicide rate
    So now you're a liar, you just said in your previous post that gun crime didn't exist at all.

    >And how do you suppose you can get a gun illegaly?
    > Make it Yourself lol?
    Yes, pic related, also black market, smuggling etc. inb4 "ZOMG our border is air tight nothing can get smuggled" (I also call bullshit on that).

    >How is contradicting
    You're telling me no Slovene ever killed anyone.

    >damn near unreadable crap and ad-hominem BS

    You contradicted yourself again btw I thought guns were all crazy regulated but I guess not if
    >And they LIKE to shoot into air with their AK47 for fun
    >easy access to fully automatic assault rifle
    >Slovenia safe from guns

    >He doesn't becouse he can't get it dumbfuck
    You're the one that said he did shit stain.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:07 No.3991300
    >>3991223
    Actually yeah, even if you can get an MBT, who the shit is going to have the scratch for it?

    Can you give me a reason why I shouldn't be allowed to own an MBT?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:09 No.3991306
    The UN is full of communists.

    >NRA: 'Anti-gun elitists' at U.N. threaten right to bear arms
    >Proposed treaty is 'nothing more than gun registration by a different name,' exec says

    >UNITED NATIONS — The "anti-gun elitists" at the U.N. have been told that their plans to create an Arms Trade Treaty undermines America’s right to bear arms, a National Rifle Association executive told members on Friday.

    >In an online message to members, Executive Vice President Wayne La Pierre posted his testimony Thursday before a U.N. panel negotiating the treaty to regulate the conventional arms trade.

    >LaPierre demanded that all civilian firearms be removed from the proposal.

    >"We reject the notion that American gun owners must accept any lesser amount of freedom in order to be accepted among the international community," he said in his testimony.

    >"Those working on this treaty have asked us to trust them," he added, "but they've proven to be unworthy of that trust."

    >"There are numerous calls for record-keeping, and firearms tracking from production to eventual destruction," he said. "That's nothing more than gun registration by a different name."


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43773010/ns/us_news-life/
    >> (ノ´_ゝ`)ノ !MoeMoe/nYc 07/16/11(Sat)19:09 No.3991311
    >>3991300
    I don't know, you were implying that there should be a limit.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:10 No.3991321
    We need a National Rifle Association in Mexico. That's for sure.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:10 No.3991325
    1. UK
    2. Guns level the playing field so that law-abiding citizens can defend themselves against the scum of society - basically arabs and coons.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:13 No.3991334
    >>3991259
    >Because militias are better left to the military to deal with.
    As opposed to other militias?
    >Petty crime controlled by those very same militias or people claiming to work for them.
    >militias
    I don't think that word means what you think it means.

    >Facilitating gun ownership would facilitate it for the criminals (assuming we are talking about the real Mexico and not the fantasy Mexico where shit works).
    Oh, you mean like it does now? Because as we all know facilitating the purchase and use of weapons for self defense means that the military can no longer regulate them in any way.
    >The current ban doesn't stop them, but it at least makes them work for it more.
    No, it actually doesn't, it make it easier for criminals, there's no background checks, no limits on what they can buy, no taxes, no ammo limit, and they never worry about any regulation. They work for it less, much much much less than a legal owner would.

    >Given current events, giving citizens the right to carry fully automatic assault rifles would result in an escalation and we WOULD end up with everyone having flamethrowers, rocket launchers, and not leaving home without full body armor.

    Slippery slide fallacy is exactly that, a logical fallacy, why does allowing people to own an assault rifle mean they now have access to military grade explosives?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:14 No.3991337
    USA

    anyone who thinks guns are only for killing people and hunting is a fucking retard
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:18 No.3991354
    >many European countries have substantially higher violent crime rates than the USA despite heavy restrictions on guns
    >gun crime in the USA tends to be concentrated in certain locations
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:20 No.3991363
    1. UK
    2. Not opposed to them or their use but there should definitely be some sort of reasonably difficult test so fucking retards don't end up with them, and penalties for not handling them properly (like storing them where minors could get to them). Not that legal gun ownership is likely to be a huge issue in the UK any time in the near future.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:22 No.3991373
    >>3991321
    You have drug cartels, that's basically the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:23 No.3991375
    United States of America

    Criminals will always get guns illegally.
    Might as well allow citizens to own legally
    At least pistols.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:24 No.3991378
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    >>3991286
    >pic related

    forgot the pic, even though it's a bad example it still illustrates the point.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:25 No.3991381
    >>3991378
    >even though it's a bad example

    By that I mean, YOU WILL HURT YOURSELF AND POSSIBLY DIE IF YOU TRY TO MAKE and use this
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:28 No.3991386
    >>3991334
    > as opposed to other militias?
    I don't what an armed citizen militia, the cops should be enough and I would rather we work towards making that work.

    >I don't think that word means what you think it means.
    typo, meant to say petty crime IS controlled by the cartels, though I guess that would make that part of organized crime. They control robberies, piracy, extortion, kidnappings, and who knows what else. If it's illegal, they probably have a hand in it.

    >military can no longer regulate
    shits illegal now and the military is regulating it how? With the ban they at least can confiscate on sight, without it they would have to wait for a shooting to do something about it.

    >there's no background checks, no limits on what they can buy
    yea, because criminals will submit to background checks and only buy what the government tells them... I don't think you thought that one through...

    >why does allowing people to own an assault rifle mean they now have access to military grade explosives?
    If it was up to me they wouldn't, but you said if criminals have access to assault rifles why not citizens? Well, if we give it to them the criminals will get something better and then citizens will be outgunned again.

    The cartels are already up to armed military vehicles due to constant fighting with each other and the military so the common citizen would have a lot of catching up to do, from armament to training and tactics. Guns are not point and shoot.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:34 No.3991407
    US

    In places where I live where people use guns to shoot animals and actually eat the animal should be allowed to have them. Also, fucking coyotes EVERYWHERE
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:37 No.3991417
    USA

    I think they are great and anyone who is against them are faggots.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:41 No.3991431
    Australia.

    Retarded things to have if mental health is not looked after in your country.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:45 No.3991440
    >>3991386
    >I don't what an armed citizen militia, the cops should be enough and I would rather we work towards making that work.
    Why can't you have both, you seem to think that this is mutually exclusive to any other issue. It isn't.
    >shits illegal now and the military is regulating it how?
    Owning weapons isn't illegal in Mexico, it's just ridiculously regulated. Ease up on regulations by allowing OCW permits, getting rid of taxes and allowing for a broader range of weapons.
    >With the ban they at least can confiscate on sight, without it they would have to wait for a shooting to do something about it.
    Why can they suddenly not ask to see a permit?

    >yea, because criminals will submit to background checks and only buy what the government tells them
    No, they won't, that's exactly my point, read my comment again.
    >Well, if we give it to them the criminals will get something better and then citizens will be outgunned again.
    Protip: THEY ALREADY HAVE THOSE
    But an assault rifle is just as capable as an RPG at killing people, even if some cartel faggot brings a LAW to a gun fight he'll still lose.

    >The cartels are already up to armed military vehicles due to constant fighting with each other and the military so the common citizen would have a lot of catching up to do, from armament to training and tactics.
    And you want to keep them from catching up at all, good plane there.

    >Guns are not point and shoot.
    Actually they totally are, that's pretty much all there is to it, not that pointing and then shooting on target is easy.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:45 No.3991444
    1. Australia

    2. It should be a fundamental civil right to have access to the ability to defend yourself, no matter your physical condition, financial position, sex or race.

    Plus they are damn fun. I know all you gun hating Britfags might disagree, but there is nothing like going out plinking with a .22. It's like when you first got your sling shot (I hope to god you got a slingshot as a kid). Plenty of pacifist gun owners around.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:48 No.3991453
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    >>3991016
    para que cartel trabajas amigo?
    NESESITO drogas
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:49 No.3991454
    >>3991386
    dude, Mexibro, give it up, you lost, you've used every stupid ass fallacy gun control nuts throw at people and have had them debunked or logically explained as the lies they are throughout the thread, you can have your "guns are teh evilz" belief all you want, just don't force it on people.

    And tell your shitty government to stop telling Americans how to live
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:52 No.3991468
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    Australia

    I'm okay with them. Shooting is a fun sport, if you follow the safety rules.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)19:55 No.3991478
    >>3991468

    Let me guess.

    O/U shotgun or a rimrifle bolt action.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:00 No.3991491
    Brazil

    Use guns inf you don't want to be robbed by crack addicts
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:00 No.3991492
    >>3991440
    Armed militias to protect each other have already been tried, that is the origin of the "La familia" cartel and they became the very problem they tried to solve.

    Other smaller villages have united since there are no police officers but the again, an armed police force with training is better than any citizen militia. The only role responsible citizens should have is as lookouts and inform the police of any suspicious activity.

    >Why can they suddenly not ask to see a permit?
    have you heard of forgery? It works great in Mexico.

    >No, they won't, that's exactly my point, read my comment again.
    regulation does not apply to criminals, so what is there to gain? The result would be armed citizens that would look like criminals and waist valuable time checking every on of them for a permit, even though criminals could forge these.

    >And you want to keep them from catching up at all, good plane there.
    Yes, I would want nothing more than to avoid this scenario. Turing already dangerous cities into war zones or keeping them in war zone status.

    >Actually they totally are,
    Not really, they need proper maintenance, you need to know how to hold them, and learn to take cover otherwise you would end up an easy target or shooting yourself in to foot.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:01 No.3991495
    USA.

    I think that people should be able to own any form of automatic small arm without a license.

    I'm a liberal by the way.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:05 No.3991504
    >>3991492
    Oh my god, you are fucking stupid.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:06 No.3991506
    >>3991454
    I'm not suggesting guns are evil, only that they are not the answer to Mexico's current problem.

    If America wants to have >9000 hand guns per responsible citizen that's fine, must be fun. I just wish my country had the balls to allow every responsible citizen to have >9000 pot plants growing where ever they pleased. It would be our right and the US could do nothing about it. Those plans would kill a lot less then your bullets.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:15 No.3991524
    >>3991504
    *the liberal method
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:17 No.3991528
    >>3991492
    >Armed militias to protect each other have already been tried, that is the origin of the "La familia" cartel
    So?
    >an armed police force with training is better than any citizen militia.
    Looking at Mexico, I somehow doubt that.
    >The only role responsible citizens should have is as lookouts and inform the police of any suspicious activity.
    Why? Why can't they defend themselves? Why are you so against a person having the ability to keep their wife and daughter from being raped by some goon that liked the look of them? Why are you so fixated on people being nothing more than victims that the police come to rescue?
    >have you heard of forgery? It works great in Mexico.
    Not if the documents are crosschecked back with the government stations via radio and/or computer, I don't think you know how permits work guy.
    >regulation does not apply to criminals, so what is there to gain?
    People that can defend themselves.
    >The result utter batshit crazy chaos not seen since Escape from New York
    Slippery slope fallacy, you have no basis for that assumption.
    >Yes,
    Ok, so you want your people to be victims, duly noted.
    >I would want nothing more than to avoid this scenario. Turing already dangerous cities into war zones or keeping them in war zone status.
    Your scenario is imaginary and depends solely on Mexicans as a people being batshit insane animals that the rest of the world should just kill now before they kill us all.
    >they need proper maintenance
    That's not relevant to immediate use, you don't clean your gun just before every shot.
    > you need to know how to hold them
    That's part of "point".
    >and learn to take cover
    That's not firearm use, those are battle tactics.
    >shooting yourself in to foot.
    That's also part of "point".
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:19 No.3991531
    >>3991528
    Why the fuck am I the only one disproving this dumb shits ridiculous claims?

    >>3991504
    >>3991524
    Thanks to you two guys though, but a little more effort would be appreciated.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:21 No.3991538
    >>3991528
    >utter batshit crazy chaos not seen since Escape from New York

    oh god I lol'd
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:21 No.3991540
    Norway

    For hunting if you plan to eat the animal and is part of some sort of hunting / gun club. Otherwise... Fuck. No.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:21 No.3991541
    >>3991531
    Dude, I've already fought in this thread. No one replied to my comment so I'm done. If anyone cares to responde to this shit
    >>3990166
    then I'll hop back in.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:22 No.3991547
    >>3991492
    >The only role responsible citizens should have is as lookouts and inform the police of any suspicious activity.

    PUSSY!
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:23 No.3991552
    USA

    I believe in less restrictions on guns.
    Maybe not to the point where fully automatic guns are legal, but more along the lines of "if someone decides to fuck my shit up I have enough firepower to ruin their day", because you know no matter how many restrictions you put on firearms, criminals will always be able to get a hold of them and start their bullshit.

    Also, guns are fun.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:24 No.3991558
    >>3991492
    >The only role responsible citizens should have is as lookouts and inform the police of any suspicious activity.


    ....why? Just, fucking why?
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:27 No.3991570
    >The only role responsible citizens should have is as lookouts and inform the police of any suspicious activity.

    I swear gun control advocates are stuck in a perpetual state where they think they're in kindergarten

    "DON'T STEAL MY STUFF! HEY STOP MUGGING THAT WOMAN!! HOW DARE YOU MOLEST MY WIFES BUTTOCKS! I'M GOING TO TELL ON YOU!"

    This is how they think people should act.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:29 No.3991576
    >>3991478
    I have two bolt-action .303 Enfields (one from 1909 and the other from 1920), a single-shot Lithgow rimfire and a single-shot 12ga shotgun. Thinking of getting a muzzleloader as well.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:31 No.3991586
    >>3991528
    >Looking at Mexico, I somehow doubt that.
    Mexico's police sucks, some have had no basic education, can barely read, are terribly out of shape and/or are criminals themselves. This needs to be fixed.

    >defend themselves
    I'm not against defense, but this is coping with the problem, not solving it. This is why my stance is that guns are not evil (in the right hands they can be a valuable tool) but are not the answer.

    >I don't think you know how permits work guy.
    I don't think you know how Mexico works. This is also a problem that needs to be fixed.

    >Slippery slope fallacy, you have no basis for that assumption.
    In a country where there is nothing to stop this from happening, it is very possible. I live here, I would not risk it. You just get to watch it happen.

    >Your scenario is imaginary
    This is no fantasy, cities in the state of Tamaulipas have had this happen to them. I know you must not be up to date on the facts but it's not funny seeing you country fall apart, even if it's not near my current location.

    >Ok, so you want your people to be victims, duly noted.
    I don't what to fight fire with fire.

    >That's not relevant to immediate use, you don't clean your gun just before every shot.
    If you don't keep your gun clean, good luck trying to use it when you need it.

    Without proper pointing and shooting. guns are useless in the hands of citizens. They could easily be disarmed and not everyone has nerves of steel to handle those situations.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:32 No.3991590
    >>3991541
    Fine, but I'm not responding to this thread anymore, the Mexican is just too brainwashed or stupid and keeps spouting the same bullshit over and over again. This is just too tiresome.
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:32 No.3991591
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    >>3990123
    Wow man you're so right. It's extremely hard for criminals to access things that are illegal. Lol marijuana is illegal, good thing nobody can access it.
    You fucking dumbass, if you ban guns, criminals will smuggle that shit in by the truck load.
    >herp derp this isn't the case in Yurope
    Well over here in North America we have the majority of our illegal substances being smuggled through Mexico and to the United States. You ban guns you create a market for illegal arms trading.
    >mfw faggots on /int/ cannot into common sense
    >> Anonymous 07/16/11(Sat)20:33 No.3991595
    >>3991558
    Because Mexico takes no pride in shootings. I know America loves a good war and is trigger happy. This is a cultural thing, no other explanation would be good enough.



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