Can I get gay married there?

Also, do the people enjoy it?

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what is socialism like?
also should I buy a waffen werks Bulgarian AK74 OR a wa74 saiga that came from the izhmash factory.
100 price difference with the ww being cheaper.

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>>12981847

Yes, you can.

Yes, we do.

>>12981858

I would not say we are socialist, really closer to libertarian on telling people what they can't do but with a strong safety net and a lot of environmental protections and conservation laws.

I would say go for the Saiga but that opinion is based solely on their reputation.

>>12981838 (OP)

inb4 New Hampshirefags ruin this thread

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>>12981889

Hey, I love New Hampshire. The White Mountains are more impressive than any in Vermont, the lakes are huge, they have beaches, the people are great, and Coos County is the undisputed kind of Northeastern wilderness if you ask me. Also, "Live Free or Die" says it all.

That said, we have better gun laws, better maple syrup, better beer, and better cheese. It's a good combination really. But New Hampshire and Vermont are like two crazy brothers who the civilized states of New England kind of ignore but secretly kind of enjoy.

>>12981902
AK fag again.
if the south rises again will you be there with the rest of us to put them back in their place?

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>>12981838 (OP)
>and our Senator is the only elected socialist in America.
No, he's the only socialist to admit that he's a socialist. Most just call themselves "Progressives."
I don't know why anyone would be proud of having a socialist in office when socialism never has, and never will work.

And the only reason why no one has touched your gun rights in Vermont because there is virtually no blacks that live in Vermont. It was blacks moving up north after the Civil War that started all the no-gunz allowed bullshit.

>>12981932
>Socialism never has, never will work
Haha, okay
picrelated

>massivegovernmentspending.jpg

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>>12981902
>gun rights
>freedom
>maple syrup
Get ready for some wicked bad cultural enrichment comrade.

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>>12981917

Well, among our other accomplishments was the highest rate of service in the Civil War of any Northern State. Since then, we've had the highest rate of service in every US war. So I'd say there's a fair chance you will find some Green Mountain Boys in the hills of West Virginia if the South ever decides to break their oath to defend the constitution a second time.

>>12981932

I mean, he refuses to join the Democratic party because he thinks they're too right-wing. You can pick nits about who calls themselves what but you're just trying to derail this thread with your own unrelated political opinion.

The whole point to this is it's interesting that the most liberal state in America is also the one with the best gun rights. If you think it's because there are no blacks here, that's fine, but there are other nearly all-white states in America that still restrict gun rights far more than we do.

Pic sort of related is George Stannard, a Vermont Farmer and teacher who was a Union General and whose Second Vermont Brigade broke Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.

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>>12981932
>blacks moving up north after the Civil War that started all the no-gunz allowed bullshit.

THAT is true

>http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

>>12981947
>the one with the best gun rights.
But that's not true. Even NH beats Vermont out in a lot of weapon categories.

>>12981957
The "constitutional carry laws" used to be known as the "Vermont Carry" for a reason. Vermont was the only state in the union for a very long time to allow people to carry concealed without a permit.

>>12981964
It doesn't matter, being able to CCW without a permit does not mean you have the best gun laws. Get over yourself.

>>12981944
>implying socialism and massive government spending don't go hand in hand
I'm not saying that only socialism can have massive government spending.

>>12981947
And those states have a much, much larger population. The small population kept your gun rights.

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>>12981957

Well, almost every state-rating by the NRA or other similar group disagrees with you. What are your sources?

I will give you this - NH gets suppressors while our Fish & Game won't let you hunt with them. But honestly beyond that I don't think there's anything NH wins on.

Some more Civil War for the AKfag: When General Scott heard there were Green Mountain Boys available, he said: General Winfield Scott, learning that a regiment of Green Mountain Boys (the 1st Vermont Infantry) was awaiting orders, said "I want your Vermont regiments, all of them. I have not forgotten the Vermont men on the Niagara frontier... I remember the Vermont men in the War of 1812."

Fuck and yes.

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>>12981967

I'm just temporarily tripping to distinguish from the other people in the NH/VT argument.

>>12981967

What are you referring to? And needing a permit versus not needing a permit to CC is a big deal to a lot of people.

>>12981968

"It was the blacks"
"It was the small population"

There are many other states with small, very white populations. Almost all the rural midwestern, northwestern, and western states, for instance, and all of Canada. All of which have crappier gun rights than us.

In a Democracy, you have to give the voters a little bit of credit.

>>12981979
>>12981970
I don't see how any state with no Castle or Stand Your Ground laws can ever consider itself to have the best gun laws.

Furthermore VT has a lot of pointless bullshit laws concerning the transport and storage of weapons.

>>12981967
This.
>>12981979
They actually do have better gun laws in lots of cases. You already pointed out that you can't get suppressors.
And I shouldn't have said "only reason," what I meant was major reason.

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>>12981984

We have both of those. They're just not statutory, because it's the common law here. Been that way forever.

What bullshit laws are you referring to on transport and storage? (I have a funny feeling you're not going to respond.)

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Vermont and New Hampshire both score a 6 on the Brady State Scorecard. Texas scores a 4.

Texas wins.

>>12981993
Zed's a TXfag?

>>12981993
It took them a year to update that.
They obviously don't pay too much attention to the laws in Texas because for the longest time it was a "6" even after our state made employers allow people to have a gun in their car on their property.

>>12981992
So you don't have them, that's the point. If they aren't on the books you have worse gun laws than a state that does.

You can't carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in your car, you're basically on par with fucking New Jersey in that regard.

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>>12981993
yeah, but it is Texas.
Inb4 Texas faggotry, your state is ok at best, move along.

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>>12981988

Here are some things in Vermont that are restrictive: You can't hunt with suppressors, you can't carry a loaded long gun in your car but are free to have a loaded handgun (same as NH but you need a permit there). These are both fish and game regs.

Aside from that there are literally no restrictions. Vermont is the only state in the union you can fish with a shotgun in, the only one that's been permit-free for the last 30 years, and if there were no federal laws, I expect the only one to grant rights at 16 and 18 respectively for rifles and handguns.

Pic is actually VT related if you can see the tail clearly.

>>12982011
Did someone from Texas fuck your sister before you go to?

>>12982011
you obviously have not seen all of the great state of texas to make a conclusion. confirmed for lurking Houston and Dallas.

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>>12981993
>4
>good
anything above 2 is shit tier.

there are a ton of states that score 4 that suck cock of course this includes texas.

can anyone say 30.06 sign?

>>12982015
before I go to where?
I can see it is a shining beacon in the educational world, assuming you're from Texas of course.

either way, what are property values like up there vt/nh bros?

>>12982023
>butthurt at TX
>Jersey Shit gif
I'm detecting a possible New Jerseyfag

>>12982027
Yeah, had a light strike on my "T" key. What's with the anal ruptures directed at Texas?

So VT has
No suppressors
No Castle Law
No Automobile Carry

But has better gun laws than AK which has all of those. Makes sense.

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>>12982009

You don't understand how the law works. I won't spend too much time unravelling that ball of yarn for you, but if you go to "Castle Doctrine", go down to "states with no specific law", you'll see that Vermont upholds the Castle Doctrine. We just didn't need the Legislature to make any law because the Courts already took care of it. Learn to democracy, please.

In Texas you need to permit to carry a handgun. In Vermont you don't. Seems as simple as that to me.

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>>12982028
>not understanding the reaction image
>not realizing I know zed
>not realizing zed knows this reaction image
I'm detecting aspergers deluxe.

>>12982014
Those are hunting laws, not gun laws, silly.
They might be related, but they aren't one in the same.

Even the founding fathers thought that restrictions on hunting was ok.

>>12982040
>You don't understand how the law works. I won't spend too much time unravelling that ball of yarn for you, but if you go to "Castle Doctrine", go down to "states with no specific law", you'll see that Vermont upholds the Castle Doctrine. We just didn't need the Legislature to make any law because the Courts already took care of it. Learn to democracy, please.
You're rationalizing. It could change with just a court case, meanwhile with a state that has the law written cannot have it changed without the necessary legislative procedures. You lose, get over it.

>>12982045
>doesn't understand how aspergers works
>expects people to know that an Anonymous knows a tripfag
I was just curious why you were so rectally enraged towards Texas

>>12982023
>can anyone say 30.06 sign?
Almost everytime I see that sign it is never displayed properly. So even if I carry into that business they can't do shit about it because they didn't display it right.
Even my county government's buildings have their sign displayed wrong, lol.

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>>12982027

Property values are okay. I got a 4,000 square foot house in town on .3 acres for 151k that needs a decent amount of cosmetic work but it has a good slate roof, stone foundation, and is made of brick.

>>12982038

In Vermont you can't HUNT with suppressors. They're fine elsewhere.

The Castle Law DOES EXIST, it's just not a statute - it's based on 200 years of our case law. Jesus.

Can't carry a loaded rifle in your car (to stop deer-jacking), but can carry loaded handgun.

Read in thread before posting, also nice on-topic sage to round out your faggotry.

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>>12982033
Texas gun laws aren't all they're cracked up to be. Every state bordering Texas has BETTER gun laws.

>>12982033
quite literally everyone I have ever met from Texas has been a total fucking idiot, it is mind numbing.
the country side, if you want to call it that, has a certain allure though I suppose.
I guess the temporary influx of morons that came to my area put me off.

>>12982063
>I've met like 10 people from Texas, and I think they're stupid
>that means Texas sucks!
Are you 12? You're taking your incredibly limited experience and projecting it pretty much over the entire group.

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>>12982050

Well...common law can be changed with a Supreme Court decision, and statutory law can be changed by a legislative decision.

The only difference is that Courts defer to long-standing precedents while legislatures vote whatever will keep them elected. It's actually not even been challenged in the last fifty years (because we've had this concept in place since, you know, before Castle Doctrine laws were even invented).

>>12982047

I realize that, I'm just trying to give full disclosure of our shortcomings. And to be fair I think VT and Alaska is probably a tie that goes to AK. But I'm partial to the home team.

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>>12982040
not to mention you can get put in jail and have a criminal record if you carry your handgun concealed into an establishment who puts up a stupid sign that effectively bans guns.

its already illegal to carry openly in texas, the signs just make it illegal completely.

http://texas3006.com/signs.php

>>12982054
why are you so defensive about your state's shitty gun laws?

>>12982055
are you willing to test that in court? with legal fees and all after you've shot someone in self defense? Not only do you have to worry about being charged with murder, but you'll also have another charge thrown on top of that.

Good gun laws? I think not.

>>12982023
Yeah, well, Louisiana is full of niggers, so they need looser laws. Of course, they throw all those good gun laws out the window in time of emergency huehuehuehuehuehue

>>12981838 (OP)

How hard and expensive would it be for a UKfag to move there?

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>>12982088
>one time
>all the time

Wait til december zed. You'll be anally buttdevastated and ultra-made when Louisiana has the best gun laws in the Union.

>>12982083
>can't open carry
>can't carry into a small handful of establishments
>shitty
Yeah, they're not the best, but you're expressing irrational levels of anger at the laws of a state you (I'm guessing) don't live in

>>12982083
>shitty gun laws
We're just fucking nit-picking each other's states and trying to claim which one is better.
We're at least better than most of the US and we're better than most of the world. We should be thankful for that.

>>12981932

Why does Havana look way more appealing than Hong Kong to me?

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>>12982100
Blah blah blah. Someone's been reading grandma's emails again.

TEXAS MASTER RACE!!

>>12982101
>outright banning 1/2 of your ability to self defense (open carry)

>having the ability to make it a criminal offense to conceal carry with a permit

there's your other half.

guns can theoretically be 100% illegal to carry in texas. not that great if you ask me.

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>>12982072
oh damn, you caught me shit posting, what a shame.
in all honesty you aren't making a particularly good case, you sound like the rest of them. I'd like to visit san Antonio one day, I hear that place is fantastic.

vt/nh people, is it still possible to buy larger pieces of land 20-100 acres and still be within a close distance to decent sized cities?

>>12982106
Because you are a nigger and bright lights scare your tribal instinct since they seem so unnatural. The dark earthy tones of a city in an extreme state of disrepair are more similar to your natural habitat of shitty desert in Africa, and you can use your savage behavior to violently compete with the other brown savages over who gets the meager pile of resources the city has to offer.

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>>12982109

Wait a second. Texas has no OC, and CC with permit, and you're arguing they have a better set of gun control laws than the state that has permit-free CC and OC?

I personally like Texas (great steak) but nigga you gay.

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Why do grandma's emails always have this gif?
Why are they always in 26pt blue Comic Sans?

Its like a direct assault on all the right wing crazies to have all their bullshit co-opted by Grandma. Instant loss of any credibility

>>12982109
Guns can theoretically be 100% illegal to carry in the United States. Not that great if you ask me.

OC is far from half of our ability to defend ourselves. Even in states where OC is legal, it's not as common as CC, except in places where CC is almost banned (see California up until recently). We can carry as many loaded guns in our car as we can fit without a permit, OC long guns without a permit, Castle Doctrine is a way of life, and there's only a handful of establishments that it's illegal to carry in. Like Arisuka said, it's not great, but we're well ahead of both the United States average and the world average

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>>12982116

Yes. Plus if you agree not to subdivide a 27 acre or larger parcel you can have it taxed at current use.

You have to remember that the only city here is Burlington but if you were 30 minutes away from that I'd estimate 20 acres undeveloped would go for about 60k depending on the value of the woodlot.

If you're willing to live in the rural areas then 80 acres for about 50k is about normal, again depending on resources and view.

No matter where you are you're either 3.5 hours from NYC, Boston, or Montreal, so there's that.

>>12982126
Yes it is. You're a moron.

Banning open carry has more implications than just the surface.

It pretty much states that they don't want guns but they can't outright ban them completely. Use your brain. The gun atmosphere in a state where OC is banned is totally different from a state where OC is legal.

>>12982131
wow, that is incredible, I ask because where I live you'd be lucky to get 3 acres for 200k. it is sounding better and better there.

>>12982126
Here's the thing about Texas not allowing OC though. If you expose your weapon, you're technically violating the law, and IIRC even if you print it can be construed as not properly concealed.
In states where you can OC (such as NC) you don't have this worry. If you decide to take off your sports coat and your weapon is exposed, you're not breaking the law.

>>12982151
This. A thousand times this.

The whole attitude towards guns is hostile in a state that bans OC.

there is open carry of long guns in Texas unless their is municipal ordinances against it. But I guess this is about handguns so my point is...moot

>>12981902
Vermont also has naked girls in Burlington walking around in public; I am from Manchester, and would love to live in Burlington.

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>>12982149

Remember a couple of things:

1. Our winter is harsh.
2. If you live on a dirt road, our Spring is pretty harsh too.
3. It costs a lot to heat your house unless you use wood. So add that to your cost of living.

>>12982171

My Manchester friend, you don't completely know Vermont law. Vermont is one of the only states that does not prohibit public nudity. Your particular town did pass an ordinance against it if I recall, but in 95% of the state, you can walk around naked without repercussion.

Of course, most of the people who actually take advantage of this are not the ones you want to see naked. But again, Vermont laws do not prohibit a lot of stuff.

>>12982185
the hunting laws are great; if you don't fence your property, then it isn't considered private.

Visited vermont 3 times now, eurofag here.

Know a guy who lives near thetford center, above hanover. Awesome place.

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Also.

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>>12982191

Not quite correct. The "fence" can be signs posted every 200 feet and updated every year. This allows private property owners who don't want people on their land to have some protection without having to build a $50,000 fence.

Points to whomever can name the gun in pic related, which coincidentally is made in Vermont.

>>12982206
M61 vulcan?

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>>12982205

Interesting fact: If you go to the Ben & Jerry's creamery in Burlington you can get a bunch of special flavors they don't distribute. Pic related (but not me).

>>12982206
M61 Vulcan.
Does I gets a cookie?

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>>12982213

That was quick. Oh, /k/...never change. Here, have some made-in-Vermont guns.

>>12981885
Libertarians are against a "strong safety net and a lot of environmental protections"

>>12982247

Yes, that's why I didn't just say "libertarians".

My point is in terms of things that are prohibited ("you can't have guns", "you can't walk around naked", you can't smoke marijuana", "you can't get married to a dude") we're fairly libertarian.

I realize it's very different in other areas.

>>12981947
Like hell West Virginia would be Confederate. Have you ever read a history book?