bumping for logical debate thread. hopefully this is considered nighttime /k/.

Election year.

>>10947260
Right that makes sense, however, all I remember last election year was conservatards crying about their guns are going to be taken away. What's different now? I haven't seen this much liberal gun-hate since the 90's. It's funny to me because people these days aren't even taking the bait or responding well to it.

>>10947287

High profile mass shootings bring out the gun banning crowd.

The gabby giffords thing, in my opinion, is what really gave this new effort some steam.

>school was a "no-gun zone"
>weapon used was one of most basic available, a .22

/ of thread.

>>10947305
I always thought the unique thing about the Giffords incident was that there was no real political debate on gun control. There was a little here and there but nothing serious. CNN is all over this like shit on flies. I mean, even Giffords herself didn't say anything about gun control and she was a liberal politician who just got shot by a crazed gunman on a shooting rampage.

>gun free zone

They can talk all the shit they want , the law and the people are on our side, on a side note we haz guns too.

People cling to their guns because they perceive a threat that they will be taken away. It's basically that simple.

>>10947375
then why does the government have so many

>>10947309
>weapon used was one of most basic available, a .22

Too bad they weren't wearing denim.

>>10947339

yes, there was. That faggy bill that the chick from new jersey or new york tries to push every year got a whole bunch of new co sponsors and it was all over the talk shows.

Dont know what you are talking about. This here is probably being carried by banners as a follow up "told ya so" to the giffords incident.

didn't read posts but big surprise... Dumbest thing said in video, "everybody wants a right to bear arms but what about the rights to not have your children killed at school." Don't want your kids killed at school? Don't send them to school. That's the only guaranteed way you won't have your kid killed at school because whether it's a gun or not, there's always the potential for that. Some stupid 11 year old got killed in CA recently from getting punched in the head.


and guns are like
antibiotics? yeah, ok.

>>10947260
>>10947260
>>10947260

This 1,000 times.

Everything and anything that can be polarized and turned will be spewed in the media until elections are over.

>>10947339

perhaps, having actually been a victim of gun violence, she recognized that it was not the gun that caused it.

you'll notice that the loudest gun-control advocates are people who have never even held a gun in their life, let alone understand what drives gun violence.

>>10947382
However, it was severely outweighed by the opposition. Compare that to past decades. That bill didn't make a dent in anything nor did it make a difference. Frankly, those "new" co sponsers were probably just inactive Bradyfags who haven't represented them since Columbine.

As soon as I saw OP's picture ... as SOON as I saw Bill Maher's motherfucking face... I had to say "no, no please tell me this faggot did not an interview about the Ohio shooting"... knowing damn well that's what Maher did... Then I followed the link.

Despite this shit, support for gun control is at long term lows across all demographics, including the dreaded libruhls.

This is from 2009, but it reflects the long-term trend.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/11/US-gun-control-support-in-long-decline/UPI-65491294765368/

Interesting fact: "Banning handgun possession by private citizens, which was endorsed by 60 percent of Americans in 1959, had only 29 percent backing last year."

>>10947233
Bodies aren't even cold and this asshat is trying to push his asshat anti-gun agenda.
What a tool.

>>10947405 holy shit an entertainment news figure produced an entertainment news piece

next you're going to tell me that steven colbert was pretending to be republican and bill o reilly was being really conservative and angry

>>10947405
Interviewed by Britfag extraordinaire Piers Morgan on CNN none-the-less.

They've been waiting for another one of these. I hope the fuck they hype it for months what two dead?

>>10947416

Fair enough, I should of seen this coming, but god damn it.

>>10947412
>Bodies aren't even cold

yes...they are. this is such a cliche phrase and it never makes any sense.

>and this asshat is trying to push his asshat anti-gun agenda.

so when exactly is the right time for that?

>>10947381
>metalheads from the 80s are now the school's security force

>>10947412

He's been pushing himself into the media a lot nowadays.

My guess is that now that there's a liberal in the White House, the ratings for his show are tanking.

He's desperate for any kind of attention now, which is why he keeps getting into news stories, stirring up a fuss.

>>10947445

Anyone else remember the Giffords shooting and how not one fucking hour had passed before the left and right were pointing fingers?

To your answer, how about two weeks. Or at least give time for the full story to come out.

>>10947445
When it makes sense, which is never. The school already bans guns on the premises and that obviously didn't work.

They failed to blame the second amendment with the botched fast and furious scandal, so of course they're gonna jump at the opportunity to use this ohio shooting as an excuse to spew their anti-gun talking points.

The worst part is Bill Maher calls himself a libertarian. How the fuck does forced disarmament equate to libterianism

>>10947470
Well, I'm sure if the students as well as the shooter were more informed that guns were not allowed on school grounds, then this wouldn't have happened. Simply putting up a sign simply won't do.

>>10947456

his ratings are tanking because he's just not funny anymore. I used to find him slightly entertaining, but now his jokes and his politics are just fucking stupid.

>>10947470
Is murder illegal yet?

>Bill ma

Read that much before my rage drive kicked on.

I want nothing more than to beat that motherfucker to death with a folding chair while in blackface.

>>10947495
Hold on.

Yeah it is. BUT IT KEEPS HAPPENING! MY GOD!!! NEED MORE LAWS AGAINST IT! MAYBE THAT'LL WORK!

There will be nothing done about our gun right or any new bill that will affect mag caps, barrel lengths, bullet buttons for errybody, or any of that shit.

Look at it this way, the economy is in the shitter. We all know this/ have known this for the last few years. But whats one market thats still doing well, even better than before? The firearms market and its related accessories.

Remember back to the 90's when things were pretty good, economically? BAM. We get slammed with Clinton's ASSHULT CLIPAZINE BABY KILLER WEPON ban. The re-tooling of the machining lines in the firearms factories cost multi-millions and hurt the firearms market. That's money our current economy can't afford to lose.

TL;DR: Everything revolves around money

>>10947502
do it live and you'd get better ratings than his show.

>>10947483
lol I didn't know he called himself a Libertarian.

>>10947483
you can use that as a ex of labels.Not just him but everyone that labels themselves.You can call yourself anything you want to but that does not mean you are what you claim.

>>10947507
>politicians invest in safes and trigger locks
>make gun safes mandatory and trigger locks
>make a killing
>everybody buys safes and trigger locks

There's ways to have gun control create a boom in a market.

>>10947502
>while in blackface.

10/10

would lol again.

>>10947557
Home defense now impossible, opens yourself up for legal action

>IT DOESNT MATTER THAT HE SHOT THE GUY THAT JUST RAPED HIS WIFE AND WAS STEALING HIS CAR, HIS GUN WAS NOT PROPERLY LOCKED UP!

Welcome to Candida.

>>10947578
I might start tap dancing afterwards too.

>>10947548
Back home in the civilian world, a fool slaps a "protect the planet" sticker on his car, suddenly he's all about the environment and shit. Don't matter that he still drives that fucking car, fires up his computer and video games and cell phone every night with electricity made from nuclear power, coal, and fucking melted baby seal oil. Nuh-uh-uh, I got a dolphin sticker on my shit, so I'm all about saving the fucking planet.

>>10947557
YEAH WELL YOU CAN TAKE YOUR COMMON SENSE AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS! Politicians don't need none of that shit. We can just ban all guns. NO MORE KILLIN'
>lol

>>10947287
>What's different now?
Tea Party got some people in who, at the very least, are not intent on expanding gun control in the slightest.

>>10947494

I bet he could whip up some righteous liberal fury if a Republican is elected to office. Then maybe people would watch him again.

He should have donated money to the GOP candidates instead.

>>10947507

Finally someone gets it.

Next time Wayne LaPierre tries to scare you into buying so much guns and ammo that you drive the market price into the magnetosphere, please America. Please. Tell him to shut the fuck up.

There's no reason, none, why WASRs, Mosins, SKSes, ARs, 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62 should cost as much as it does now.

And we have Wayne LaPierre, and the NRA to thank for this.

>>10947647
Oh god I get so sick of the emails from all the NRA buffs outright lying to me to try and sucker me into spending more and more money from fear just to drive up the goddamn market.

>>10947647

of course there's a reason. SHTF is imminent son.

how is a gun free zone constitutional? you might as well call it "2nd Amendment Free Zone"

>>10947647
Yeah the increasing hysteria and partisanship is why I dropped my NRA membership, that and I was sick of all the tacky tchotchke crap they were trying to sell me constantly.

>>10947647
>spending money on products makes the price go up
No

Bill Mahr is an atheist who believes in ghosts.

>>10947233
I don't even know who this guy is but he just looks like a massive tool.

>>10947620
Is it bad I read that in his voice?

>>10947681

I don't agree with a lot of gun control measures, but I do believe that taking weapons into certain areas, like courthouses and schools, should be regulated. I do believe people should be able to conceal carry in college though. If they went through the trouble to get a permit and safety training, they should be able to carry and defend against shit like Virginia Tech.

Just think, if we let every redguard bring a weapon to court...

>>10947681
It was declared unconstitutional a couple years after it was first passed, then they changed up the wordings and somehow it is constitutional again.

>>10947733
But you can't regulate it like that and then provide no protection.
You do see the flaw don't you?
Don't allow people to protect themselves, then you don't protect them when you're banning the shit to provide a 'safe zone'.

>>10947756
It's exactly the same law with a few words changed. No one's ever bothered to challenge it a second time because they'll just go ahead and do it AGAIN.

Herp derp schools are Interstate Commerce my fucking ass.

I dont come to /k/ often but why do you call hoodlum black people redguards. Skyrim was a shitty game and TES died after morrow wind.

>>10947733
Because we all know the crazy people follow the laws. right?

>but I do believe that taking weapons into certain areas, like courthouses and schools, should be regulated.
>courthouses
So take away the original meaning of the 2nd amendment?

>>10947772
>Herp derp schools are Interstate Commerce my fucking ass.
You can thank FDR's for that shit.
FDR changing the meaning of the commerce clause is one of the biggest reasons for are problem right now.

>>10947759

we had metal detectors and police stationed at my high school. do you advocate every student be allowed to bring a gun to school? do you believe in age limits for firearms?

if they let the spics at my high school have guns at school i probably wouldn't be alive today, because it wouldn't have been just a few fist fights.

>>10947773
>I dont come to /k/ often

Then shut the fuck up.

>>10947774

are you fucking serious? you don't see the problem with letting people bring weapons into a courthouse? have you ever been to court? people tend to get a bit emotional.

>>10947796
>>we had metal detectors and police stationed at my high school
Gotta love that.

What better way to subdue the populace than get most of the country's youth used to the idea that mass surveillance, a cop on every corner, and absolutely no expectation of 4th Amendment protections is the norm?

>>10947824
My state doesn't prohibit carry in Court and there haven't been any shootings. Another "If we allow guns in X it's going to be the Wild West!"

>>10947825
>children
>any sort of legal rights or protections
lolno