BAD
SCARY
GUNS

>Whats with the hate on the AR-15?
Liberals.

You used to be able to buy FA AKs straight from the Soviet Union well into the 80's and suddenly, they aren't in the country anymore.

Apparently there was a 25rd. .22LR magazine for one of the tacticool .22LR rifles which was able to fit into a pistol released after it rifle itself, and became a prohibited magazine because it was able to fit into said pistol. How retarded is that?

Saiga 12 prohibited.

Almost every other semi shotgun... non restricted.

Because the Military uses the C7A2 and doesn't want anyone having a similar weapons system

>>10944989
They would probably say that the removable magazine
makes it to easy to reload. At least that's how they
would defend it if they actually thought rationally.

>>10944989

hurr cause it looks tacticool durr

I hate our laws...

if you want Tacticool you can still buy swizz SSG550-553's

Shoulder thing that goes up.

'Nuff said.

>>10945022

Aren't they restricted?

>>10945026

Adjustable stock?

>>10945038
last i checked the SSG550 Carbine isn't for some odd reason.

>>10945043

That doesn't make any lick of sense. Fucking Canada, how does it work?

>>10945076
its because its classified as a Carbine and not a Rifle. i swear our government is retarded when it comes to weapons.

CZ-75B Pistol = restricted

SSG-550 Carbine = non-restricted

>>10945012
But those little Grizzly shotguns have removable mags, don't they?

So, no Ar/Ak, But can have Tavors and XCR's?
It makes New York laws seem decent.

>>10945097

What about the SIG522LR?

Barrett Fiddy Cal - prohibited terrorist gun

Lahti L39 - non-restricted hunting rifle

>>10945129
no clue, generally if its classified as a rifle its restricted through

>>10945157

So, the .22LR variant of the SG 550 is restricted, while the carbine .223 is non-restricted? Dammit Bobby...

What? I thought non-restricted/restricted rifles typically had to do with length, other than a few like the AR15.

>>10945171
if that doesn't piss you off, those drunk natives don't need PAL's or Restricted licences or even hunting licences. They can own any gun they wish and hunt with it.

>>10945188

And they get tax breaks. Why shouldn't I get a tax break? Did I steal their ancestors land? Did they have any land stolen from them? No. They deserve nothing more than anyone else in Canada. Fucking pricks...

>>10945198
Wait what

Murrkan here, Canadian gun laws don't apply to natives?

>>10945209

Nope.

>>10945209
nope, they guilt tripped the Liberal party into submission back in the 90's into getting special treatment for anything they want.

>>10945232

And to add to that, they pretty much police themselves. They don't live by any of Canada's laws that they don't want to live by.

>>10945232
But like, to what extent?

Could a couple of dirty alky injuns shoot moose out the back of a pickup with an RPG?

>>10945240
did that seriously happen in canada? i thought it happened in Ontario the city in the states.

>>10945242

Jesus. Don't you guys have anything like Equal Protection up there?

>>10945247
i'd imagine so

>>10945257
not with the liberal party or any liberals holding any power in this country no

You can get a FN Scar but with the 5 bullet capacity law it's not worth it.

>>10945301
>be in reserve's
>hundreds of spare mags in the basement
>take small amount of 30round mags

problem solved

>>10945177
According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:

* a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm;
* a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited;
* a rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26 inches);
* any firearm prescribed as restricted (including some long guns).

Firearms Prescribed as Restricted

insert a big list of AR15s and things that look like AR15s.

That other guy has it wrong, the SG 550-style rifles are non restricted, carbines are restricted.

>>10945350
wait so the rifle variant isn't restricted? what the actual fuck

>non restricted semi-auto .50 cal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywh3OH8sHQM&feature=related
bit expensive for my taste.

>>10945107


Fuck yeah they are. I have the 8" and 12" models :D

my 8" wears a pistol grip, therefore restricted. But my 12" has a regualr stock, making it non

5 round limits are on semi-auto center-fire rifles.
10 rounds on pistols
this is how lee enfields are allowed their 10 round mag limit.
which also means bolt actions are allowed no limit.
also rimfire is excluded from this for some reason so enjoy having 50 round drums

>>10945437
>DAT TRENCH MAG

>>10945442
If I remember it was a czech border rifle.

Op, can you send some links to Canadian gun laws or let me know if I can have my 15-22 there? I know I gotta ditch my 25 round mags, but am I allowed to still have a collapsible stock or a threaded barrel? Moving to Canada in a couple years and want to know what I can take and what I can't.

>>10945188
>>10945198
>>10945232
>>10945237
>turns out my great grandfather was full blooded native
>>be blond hair, blue eyed and get a horrible sunburn after maybe 15 minutes in the sun
>thanks to bill C-31 I can apply for a status card
>paperwork is being processed now
>implying I am not going to troll the fuck out of everyone when I get my status card
I am going to be the whitest Indian ever and its cool I can say Indian instead of aboriginal now because I am one.

>>10945495
rim-fire semi autos do not have a magazine limit.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
read that carefully and tell us when you find the glaring loophole

>expecting gun laws to make sense

No

>>10945516
i can do the same thing as you, apparently my great-great-great-great uncle or w.e on my mums side was Metis. Just don't feel like filling out the paperwork.

>>10945589
If I got my card a few years ago I would have received about $10,000 because the Indian band that my mother and thus I would have belonged took payout for some land that was "theirs" and every member got a part of it.
she ended up buying a hot tub with the money.

I like how two of essentially the exact same gun are in different classes. The Ruger Mini-14 Ranch is a barebones, wood stock gun. It's non-restricted. The Tactical variant of the same gun, because it looks scarier and has 2" less barrel length, is a restricted rifle. It's ridiculous.

>>10945495

You're allowed to have it, it's just restricted. Which is retarded.

>>10945541

True, but that magazine will fit into a hand gun, making it prohibited.

canadian laws are retarded because they ban weapons by name, and because the ones banned are generally the ones used by bad guys in 80's actions films.

>>10945747
it's barrel length not tactical look.

>>10945783

Does the lessened barrel length mean you can't hunt with that rifle? Does it make it any more dangerous? Does the longer barrel length of the Ranch mean you can't murder people with it? Does it make it less dangerous? I swear someone needs to run for office and change these laws. There are plenty of pissed off hunters and firearm enthusiasts that would vote for someone solely on getting the laws changed.

>>10945747
>>10945783
because according to the Canadian government anything with a barrel under 18 inches is believed to be super concealable
the only reason the AR-15 is not on the prohibited list was a large group of sport shooters flooded them with mail and calls when they heard their rifles would be on the prohibited list.

>>10945780
what is "restricted" exactly

>>10945812
I'm telling you the law, not arguing with you its stupid.
for example the benelli m4 with a solid stock in non-restricted. the telescopic stock is restricted.

>>10945812
>There are plenty of pissed off hunters and firearm enthusiasts that would vote for someone solely on getting the laws changed.
you are perfectly describing how the conservatives won a majority election, also because the liberals and NDP both targeted the college kid demographic and we all know they have really high voter turnouts

This bullshit is what you get when you let the police run your firearms system

>>10945829
Any gun that is restricted can only be taken to and shot at an approved range with no stops in between and you need permission to take it and need to be a member of a club to even buy one, its also a seperate liscense

The SCAR is not a named prohib. The FRT number issued to it was for the select-fire variant.

Semi-automatic SCAR rifles are non-restricted if they have a barrel greater than 18.5 inches.

>>10944812

Fuck the NDP.

>>10945437

Actually, despite being a bolt-action rifle, the Enfield is specifically singled-out in the legislation to not have a magazine capacity limit. It's like they didn't even read their own legislation...

And yes, you CAN own "Restricted" firearms, you just can't bring 'em inna woods because you need to ask for an ATT (Authorization To Transport) and they won't issue one for anything other than a certified range, gunsmith or the like, making them strictly range-toys.

Here in Quebec, however, you need to take an ADDITIONAL course due to the bullshit Law 9. This despite firearm legislation being part of the Criminal Code and thereby Federal jurisdiction. Fuck I hate this province.

>>10945849
if you apply for your ATT properly your approved for all legal gun ranges in canada. not just one.

>>10945832
Even though the supernova tactical with a 14" barrel and collapsable stock is non-restricted

>>10945832

Fun fact: You can legally load those with 7 rounds.

Put five rounds in the mag, lock the bolt open, push a round down on the lifter, insert one in the chamber and slide the bolt forward while maintaining pressure on the lifter.

A question for canadians here..

I'm canadian / uk dual nationality but haven't lived in canada since I was 9. - I have a Canadian passport.

If I go there on a long holiday innawoods, no permanent address or anything like that, can I just wander up to a shop and buy a (cheap shitty but functional) hunting rifle?

>>10945854

There are a couple semi-automatic SCAR's in Canada, but you'd be hard pressed to find one.

>>10945901

No. You need to take an approved PAL course and apply for said PAL. Once you get your PAL, you'd be able to.

>>10945516
nice status metis here with card and all

bitches don't know bout my metis hunting rights (poaching for metis is legal because 31/32 of my ancestors stole land and committed genocide against 1/32 of my ancestors) feelsgoodman

>>10945901
no

>>10945913
you need to have an address in canada too I believe

>>10945901

No. You need a Possession and Acquisition License.

Although, you can legally lend another licensee a firearm for as long as you like, although you'd need to advise the CFC if it was a restricted.

So, if you have family/friends in Canada that have their PAL, you could leave it with them.

Well, at least the Vz. 58 is sexy as fuck.

>>10945913
>approved PAL course and apply for said PAL

Thanks for replying.


I assume said course requires a permanent address, the paying of bribes/fees, and waiting about for shit to be processed?

>>10945932
>>10945931
Thanks for replying also...

So it looks like no huntin' for me. Pain in the ass.

>>10945959

You could go hunting with a bow, crossbow or antique firearm, though.

You don't need a PAL to own an Antique Class firearm.

Fun Fact: The PTRS-41 Anti Material weapon is legal in Canada but banned in most states of the U.S.

>>10946036
oh fuck really? time to load up and occupy the lands the natives are occupying because they want a pay-off from the government/developer. Those shitty ford pickups wont stand a chance regardless of how many smokes they use as ghetto armor

>>10946070
good luck finding a supply of 14.5×114 mm bro

>>10946036

RPG-7 and WW2 bazookas are also non-restricted in Canada. You cannot own high explosive weapons though, so you are stuck with inert training rockets. (Mr Wolverine has a pic of his girls holding the bazooka).

There is also an M203 40mm grenade launcher for sale on CGN at the moment, but the guy wants like $10,000 because they are so rare in Canada... all that to fire smoke or chalk rounds (or maybe flares).

Mr Wolverine also has that 37mm bofors anti-tank gun but he is looking for some parts for it. I don't think he has fired it yet. I believe it is also non-restricted.

>>10946082
can just get it the same way the natives get their hands on AK's, through the states and eastern europe

So wait, I have a good chance at getting a Native status card or whatever the fuck they're called if I apply for one. What changes with regards to gun laws?

>>10946103
>work at a macs milk
>group of redguards come in
>they brandish their RPG-7's demanding money
>"I DONT WAN NO TRABBLE"
>give them the money
>one gets over-excited and fire's a round
>back-blast cooks the guy behind him
>rocket goes into jamals buddy and he bursts into treats
>get the new guy Akmir to clean the mess

>>10946036
Imagine killing a Moose with that.

>>10946157
it would make it explode and keep going until it feels like stopping

>>10946169
Hmm... do you think its equal to those really big Elephant guns?

>>10946157
it would blow up the moose, cut down the tree behind it and impact into the lake behind that
the shock wave of the bullet hitting the water would kill all fish within 10 meters

>>10946124
my cousin told me natives gun laws aren't enforced and they have shitloads of fullautos and the such

>>10946253
This, its not that they have less laws its just no laws are really enforcedd on them

>>10946253
they got lots of AK variants and some RPK's

>>10946272
a lot of reserves are pretty much a no go area for cops.

Oh, btw. Seeing as you guys seem really hung-up about the AK... There ARE actually Canada-legal AKs you can legally buy: The Valmet Hunter and the Valmet M78.

Be warned, however: They are pricey.

>>10946358
>go to visit native relatives once in awhile as a kid.
>driving onto reserve
>holy fuck, it looks like berlin after the soviets invaded
>everyone notices we're white
>start throwing shit at the car and shouting shit.

Fuck natives. Canada's niggers as far as I'm concerned.

>>10946411

This.

Fuck natives.

>>10946411
My American friends just dont get it when I tell them how fucked up native reserves are here in canada
the best explanation by far is this
Imagine some one broke up Somalia into hundreds of little parts then teleported them into random parts of the continental US, the government the proceeded to throw money at them like its their fucking job and told the rest of the nation to fucking deal with it.
reserves are like a 3rd world country unto themselves complete with fucking AK's weilding psychos and their primary export is meth and criminals.
thats what native reserves are like up here in Canada.

>>10946411
There are alot of productive reserves, they do there thing and don't ask for hand outs. Maybe not the nicest places on earth by they make do and I do respect that

There are other bat shit crazy ones. The ones that ask for hand outs constantly, alcoholism is rampit and there are no jobs every one just scrapes by living on land. Violence and murders are common and there are no white oppressors telling them what to do.

Frankly I really don't give a shit about the natives they want political anatomy, fine. But dont ask for money either, your on your own.

>>10946464
Thats sad, I was in one of those cultural native reserves once when I was in Canada as a kid. It was cool and all, but now that I think back its kinda sad and fake.

Yep Natives can use their native card as a get out of jail free card so they get pulled over after a 5 hour car chase while drunk driving and after they crash into a tree they show their native card and say to the rcmp officer we aren't the drunk Indians you are looking for. And after a nice taxi ride in the back of the officer's patrol car they are at home back on the reserve.

So my cousin's friend lives in Caledonia basically his neighborhood was cut off by natives(burning tire roadblock with the provincial police there but they did nothing because of spineless political) and if he didn't OC a norinco m14 on his property they probably would have kicked the shit out of his family and looted their house. And this shit is ignored by everyone including the media and politians. im Metis but natives are so fucked up its not even funny its only so much different because they are all drunks/ high and in the middle of nowhere living off of welfare so we dont have to deal with them in urban areas like america does with redguards.

And then you have the corrupt indian chiefs, if you go onto most reserves there are a bunch of shity shacks that probably have mold, no plumbing maybe some electricity than you will have a little mansion owned and paid for by the cheif who is given money for everyone for their well being and he turns around and uses the money for himself so he can live like a king.

/k/ im going to visit my cousin who is working on a reserve this sunday for a week (flying there) should I bring a gun? if so what kind (keep in mind this is Canada so its limited to non restricted firearms)

>>10946492
>>10946464
>>10946453
>>10946411
I grew up in a relatively high population area with no reserves and I lived in toronto for a number of years too.

Has anyone seen a native hold a professional job like lawyer or engineer ? I been in Canada for 12 years and has not yet seen one the closest was a 1/12 cree working in a lab.

>>10946539
I know a heavy equipment operator who is like 1/8th but that's it.
I remember when I lived down in Toronto one girl I knew told me she was in a early childhood education course and wanted to move up to near thunder bay and work with the native community
I almost pissed my pants laughing and got labeled as a racist

>>10946539
nope and the funny thing is that they all have advance placement in a lot of shit like affirmative action but lol no natives are successful in that way. Metis on the other hand have done much better infact a former prime minster paul martin was metis not to menation a number of other people who are metis that have done welll fr themselves. However the indian in these people is barely recognizable and they are identical to European descendant citizens of canada minus the fact they have a legal claim to be considered metis.

>>10946601

You say that as if Paul Martin was competent...

>>10946492
I used to live near a native reserve in New Brunswick, after that I lost all sympathy for them.

There fucking con artists, they live in shitty shacks, but always have the latest greatest TVs and trucks, they just swap them old for old pieces of shit whenever the government comes around so that they continue to look poor and get more money.

And it always makes me laugh when I hear about native chiefs and their corruption. Natives always bitch about it and yet they oppose any government inquiry because "white man opressin mah people"

>>10946601
What is metis?

>>10946588
>>10946601
Im not the only one eh. The whole first nation thing in Canada is really fucking sad . Not hating on the natives, they should really get there shit together

>>10946625

A metis is half amerindian, half caucasian.

>>10946632
Thats not gonna happen if they're just gonna get free shit, then they get lazy and too dependent on handouts. Same thing with any populace really. What they need are jobs.

>>10946625
Basically its slang for European/first nation mix. But they have adopted European life style and roots rather than the first nation roots.

You guys remember that one chief that was warning of an "Arab Spring-like uprising" by the first nations if the feds didn't listen to them?

Oka crisis part 2.

>>10946659
>mfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCQA1EJiC0

>>10945142
wait, what? that can't be right...

>>10946609
he was dumb but was able to balance the budget as finance minister and able to become pm even if it was so brief

>Car is stolen in America?

It is taken to a chop shop, or it is used by criminals for a task and then disposed of.

>Car is stolen in Canada?

Natives (likely 13 years old) drive the stolen car until it breaks and then set it on fire. Then they walk back home and set a garbage bin on fire along the way. Crime is committed without the potential for financial gain, it is done for the sake of doing it.

>Narcotics in America

Everything from designer drugs to heroin, uppers, downers, purple drank... They all have a purpose.

>Narcotics in Canada:

A group of natives steal a can of gold paint from the local hardware store and fuck themselves up on the toxic vapor. Back before powdered toner existed they stole photocopier fluid because they heard it had alcohol in it.

The result? Dangerously fucked up people wandering aimlessly in downtown Saskatoon splattered with gold paint (the "midas touch", as the locals call it).

>>10946689

It's true.

Barrett was singled-out in the legislation.

Lahti's are fine, though,

>>10946697

He balanced the budget because Jean Chretien lied about removing the GST during the election.

>>10946539
my buddy here is 1/4 native, he is a heavy duty mechanic, good paying job

>>10946588
I lived in Thunder Bay for a year, all the reserves around there (even south of town) are a shithole, open field landfills, half finished houses, garbage/derelect cars everywhere

my ex gf also worked at the walmart in TB, she was told not to sell hairspray/mouthwash to natives

fun fact: Here in Edmonton, there used to be hand sanitizer on the walls at hospitals--not anymore, chugs would come in and steal them off the wall and drink them

>>10946721

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjCH0yuxUv4

MY NAME IS MARVIN CARIBOU
I LIKE TO LIVE ON THE STREET
SNIFFIN................................SHOOTING UP DOING DRUGS.....and sniffing, im dying in 2 years

>>10946702
things now sold behind the counter in communities with large populations of natives
>mouth wash
>hand sanitizer
>ALL cough medication
>pretty much any chemical used to make meth
>pain relievers (Tylenol Advil aleve ect)

>>10946751
>tylenol, advil, aleve
The fuck? Unless it's tylenol with codeine, none of those things will actually get you high. I'd think they'd realize that after a few failed attempts.

>>10946721
>my ex gf also worked at the walmart in TB, she was told not to sell hairspray/mouthwash to natives
oh god I worked there for a summer, saw plenty of fucking winners coming in though those doors.

I'm moving there for school in September, already planning on getting a shotgun for home/apartment defense also getting my RPAL this summer.

>>10946790

I lived in current driver right near the beer store

>bus rolls up
>native family gets out
>stroller is full of empties, father pushing
>mother is behind carrying the child
>they goto beer store
>come out with a case of some shit beer and a 40 old black ice

current river was ok, i also lived near the university, was ok as well

southside sucks

>>10946721
>>10946702
wow I lost control of myself laughing for 5 minutes

so true my uncle bought his first car when he was younger and one day after church it was missing they came inside the house found the keys and drove it unto a back road and torched it.

My other uncle who has worked on reserves told me that for the local place to make a pizza they needed to get yeast from out of a safe in the cheif's office because the reserve is dry and people would homebrew like no tomorrow

why are gold coloured natives high off their mind so funny

Wait what privileges do natives get in their licenses?
I have status since my mom was full native (yet im a ginger and super white )

>>10946852
the privilege is mostly if you live on the reserve

>>10946863
fuck that then.

>>10946822
Are there any rifle ranges near thunder bay? I know GMK has a pistol range but I will be a poor as fuck college student when i move there so I wont be able to buy a handgun even after I get my RPAL

>>10946910
tokarevs are 200 dollars.

>>10946910

no idea i was noguns when i lived there

theres TONS of crown land all around there i bet

You can always get someone to boot for you. Find a willing person, prove to them you are responsible, and get them to buy you something then pay them back.

No long gun registry anymore, so it doesn't matter unless you get caught. Hide it really well.

>>10946396

What's pricey? Also, are their internals the same as the AK, unlike the Vz?