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  • File : 1327569745.jpg-(40 KB, 567x370, BM-21_multiple_rocket_launcher_system.jpg)
    40 KB Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:22 No.10637032  
    Is rocket artillery spam still efficient in this age?
    pic. related, it's what Russians do when someone accidentally their Vodka stockpile.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:25 No.10637040
    Ever since WW2, the Russians have had a love for rocket-spamming.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:26 No.10637045
    I don't know, but it looks cool as hell.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:30 No.10637067
    yes it does. Suppose there's an enemy infantry unit dug-in a village. Call in rocket artillery. Level the village. Enemy unit wiped out. See? It works.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:32 No.10637073
    >>10637067
    Also, everyone who managed to not die from the rocket attack is too busy shitting themselves about the telephone poles on fire slamming into their houses at several hundred miles an hour to regroup.

    Seriously, have you ever seen rocket artillery? That's basically the point where you go "Fuck it, I'm out"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:34 No.10637081
    >>10637073
    Russian rocket artillery. They are experts.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:36 No.10637091
    >>10637073
    well, I am not questioning the devastating effects of rocket artillery.
    I was more concerned about it's efficiency when it comes to defensive systems on the other side
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:37 No.10637092
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28lztJDAT8
    you don't want to be inside that village
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:39 No.10637100
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUe5n9B1QWY
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:44 No.10637119
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=162Uq7lj7QQ&feature=related

    >insert Manowar- Hail and Kill at 1:00
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:46 No.10637131
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQz3TecxDY

    big brother "Tornado"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:46 No.10637132
    what makes it better than conventional artillery? Is it just that you can launch a fuckton at once? or is it that it has better reach and accuracy?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:48 No.10637137
    >>10637132
    Range yes, accuracy I highly doubt it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:48 No.10637138
    >>10637132
    nah man it`s just rocket spam. level villages faster than any artillary can.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:48 No.10637139
    >>10637091
    Defensive systems. Hahahaha. Oh. No

    That rocket is ballistic, which means it IS coming down upon your head, in one piece or not, doesn't really matter.

    And when you have a Grad section shooting at you, it's not ONE missile you have to worry about, but upwards of 120, coming at you at a rate of about 8/second.

    There is no point defense system in existence that can shoot down such a barrage.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:50 No.10637145
    >>10637138
    sooo one rocket battery can level a town by dumping all its ammo in a few seconds where as a normal artillery piece would take a longer period of sustained fire. Seems like the conventional artillery would be better if you need to provide fire support and rockets would be good for the traditional soviet tactic of kill errything nomatter whose side its on.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:52 No.10637154
    >>10637139
    not even Aegis?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:52 No.10637156
    >>10637132

    Cheap, easy to use, highly mobile and you can fire a fuckton of it at once.

    That's about it...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:55 No.10637164
    Is the OP talking about that Soviet artillery commander who obliterated an entire division's vodka ration at Stalingrad with a 122mm because the quartermaster denied his men their vodka ration?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:56 No.10637167
    >>10637154

    I do not think you understood just how many fucking rockets are coming your way.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:57 No.10637168
    >>10637154
    Yep. Its sheer volume of cheap-ass rockets that do the job- aegis wont be able even to single out the target.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:00 No.10637181
    >>10637154
    What are you asking?

    A Burke or a Ticonderoga MIGHT conceivably track an entire salvo. Engage? I dunno. Would you use a SM-3 to kill a Grad? Congrats, you've just spent 100x more money defending than your opponent has attacking.

    But it's not designed to do that and MRLSs are for land use.

    Your best bet would be something like Iron Dome, but I think it could be saturated much more easily.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:01 No.10637185
    >>10637167
    not really... I am quite familiar with Russian MRL systems, but I know shit about Aegis
    only that people tend to say it's able to stop fucking rain if needed
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:03 No.10637191
    >>10637164
    do explain...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:04 No.10637193
    >>10637164
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    And people wonder how the fuck were Russians able to suddenly obliterate half of the Nazi army.
    fucking vodka deprivation!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:04 No.10637194
    yep! still works. and it allways will
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:05 No.10637197
    Having thought of it for a little while... the best thing you could do if you had an AN-SPY-2 and adequate software would be to fuck with the rockets' radar fuzing. They do have failsafes, but you'd probaby force about half n' half early/late detonations.

    Not bad.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:07 No.10637200
    >>10637191
    I'm trying to find it in my book man, I know I read it in Antony Beevor's "Stalingrad". The gist of the story is that a quartemaster denied an artillery battery their daily vodka ration because the men were drunk all the time, battery commander included. He went to the quartermaster and threw a shit fit, and was still denied. So he went back to his battery and they leveled the area where the entire division's vodka was being stored. The quartermaster went all the way to Khrushchev I believe trying to crucify the battery commander, but all he did was ensure that the battery would regularly receive their vodka ration from now on.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:10 No.10637210
    >>10637200
    Oh Russians U SO CRAZY!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:14 No.10637218
    >>10637197

    Radar fusing? We are talking about rockets made for 100 dollars a box of 200 rockets. They don't have guidance or safeties, they'll blow up at impact and impact only, no shiny gizmos and fancy technology. The only way to stop them would be with reversed gravity.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:14 No.10637221
    >>10637200
    >>10637194
    Gentlemen, our bloody-handed KGB agents are going to silence you for disclosure of this secret! Boo!!!
    And in reality if ever russian soldier is deprived of alcohol, he will do great things to get his due. If we dont have vodka, then our enemy must share.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:15 No.10637223
    >>10637164
    Link for that story?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:20 No.10637236
    >>10637197
    these rockets are rocket engines with impact fuses and a bomb attached to them. nice try
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:22 No.10637243
    >>10637218

    the bigger ones are a bit more complex.
    for instance, 9M55K1 that Smerch uses deploys self-guiding AT submunitions which have to be released at a certain height.

    I was just trying to play nice, find a scenario where Aegis would CONCEIVABLY help. Seems I kinda failed, eh?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:22 No.10637244
    >>10637132

    Extremely good mobility
    High rate of fire
    Easy to maintain(Don't have to bother about barrel-wear)
    Psychological factors.

    >>10637197

    Rockets are not guided.

    If rocket was guided, then it would be a missile.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:23 No.10637248
    >>10637244
    I said fuzing, not guidance
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:30 No.10637267
    There's a reason why the US made their own version,

    with less spam and more accuracy.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:38 No.10637301
    >>10637223
    Found it, it was in "Enemy at the Gates" by William Craig: "Every Russian soldier received a daily ration of 100 grams of vodka. Most waited for it eagerly; only a few refused it. But Senior Lt. Ivan Bezditko, "Ivan the Terrible" to his men, had an incredible taste for vodka and found a way to keep a plentiful supply on hand. When troops from his mortar batallion died, Ivan reported them "present and accounted for," and pirated their daily vodka rations. In a short time, the thirsty officer amassed many gallons, which he carefully stored in his own dugout.

    In a warehouse at the Volga shore, a supply officer, Major Malygin, checked his records and noticed that Bezditko's unit had borne up extremely well under weeks of bombarment. Suspicious, Malygin persued the matter and discovered that the mortar section had actually suffered heavy casualties. He called Bezditko, told him he had exposed his petty scheme, and that he was going to report him to Front Headquarters. Then he added, "Your vodka ration is being canceled."

    The supply officer had gone too far. Bezditko screamed, "If I don't get it, you'll get it."

    Malygin hung up on him, relayed news of the crime to headquarters and shut off Ivan's liquor rations.

    Enraged, Bezditko contacted the firing point of his 122 millimeter batteries, issued a precise set of coordinates, and give the order to shoot. Three rounds dropped squarely ontop of Malygin's warehouse at the riverbank and out of the debris totered the shaken Major. Behind him hundreds of bottles of vodka had broken and spilled onto the floor. Malygin staffered to a phone and asked for headquarters. His anger rising he shouted out what he knew to be true: Ivan the Terrible had gotten him.

    The voice on the other end was patient, but unsympathetic, "Next time give him his vodka. He just got the Order of the Red Star, so give it to him."
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:41 No.10637312
    >>10637267
    You dont need accuracy to wipe out a village where insurgents/terrorists are hiding. If you fire less rockets at them, then they will get away.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:42 No.10637317
    >>10637312

    I'm not defending the MLRS in anyway bro.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:48 No.10637329
    >>10637301

    Well... i guess /k/'s love for Russians isn't uncalled for. Perfectly justiable to have a man-crush on these kinds of people.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:49 No.10637334
    >>10637032
    >Rocket Artillery
    Efficient in Conventional War. Still efficient in small battles, if you don't give a fuck at all about civilians
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:52 No.10637345
    >>10637334
    Call the civilians "terrorist supporters" and let God sort the rest. You know the drill.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:57 No.10637356
    >>10637167
    b-but Aegis can stop hundreds of missiles and rockets and grenades and even bullets!!!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:59 No.10637359
    >>10637356
    It can even, gasp, deflect the CATANAS EVERYTHERE!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:03 No.10637366
    It's good because cheap and it will seriously fuck things up, also you can't stop them. And lol at Aegis, first theres too many rockets coming, second you would use missiles that cost like $100k to destroy rockets that cost $2
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:11 No.10637389
    >>10637366
    >missiles that cost like $100k to destroy rockets that cost $2
    >ockets that cost $0

    they cost nothing
    Russians have so many of them (at least rockets for BM-21) their price is irrelevant
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:18 No.10637404
    >>10637389
    old ones, yes
    new rockets for Grad are better and cost more
    still cheap change compared to shittiest missile
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:20 No.10637410
    Yes, a simple rocket launcher pod can be mounted on anything and doesn't need to be strengthened for the recoil, have a battalion of Rocket Launchers and you can level anything and have the trucks gone before the rockets land, they aren't very accurate though
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:24 No.10637420
    >>10637410
    >they aren't very accurate though
    so you can target only big area?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:28 No.10637430
    >>10637420
    Well it depends on what rocket they are firing but they aren't are accurate as regular artillery
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:32 No.10637442
    Hezbollah owns about 40 thousand Katyusha rockets.

    Israel has shown interest in the Phalanx system to counter rocket attacks. Personally, I think the Phalanx will not be very effective.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:33 No.10637445
    >>10637442
    how many launchers they have?
    if it's like... 3, then Phalanx can be enough
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:36 No.10637454
    >>10637168
    So why not make a sea based MLRS that can rocket spam a carrier to death?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:37 No.10637456
    >>10637445

    I don't know, probably a few hundred, the most rockets they have ever fired against Israel were a couple of thousand in a matter of minutes.

    Hezbollah also has a couple of hundred tactical ballistic missiles.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:37 No.10637458
    >>10637445
    Any metal tube pointed in the right direction is good enough for a Katyusha rocket.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:42 No.10637467
    >>10637454

    Because you can't hide a small boat on the sea as well a you can hide a truck on land, and because the range of the rockets is pretty limited, and the rocket boat will be destroyed long before it gets close enough to attack.

    Also rockets are designed to target large areas, not mobile targets. You use rockets to target entrenched soldiers, military bases/installations etc
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:48 No.10637477
    >>10637458

    I once saw a video where Chinese soldiers used artillery shells as rockets. They placed them on a little mound on the ground, attached a fuse and fired away!

    Anyone has the YT link?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:57 No.10637489
    >>10637454
    because Russians have far better toys to do that job
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:08 No.10637518
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    Ah, found the pic!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:11 No.10637527
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    >>10637454
    >rocket spam a carrier to death
    Kirov reporting!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:13 No.10637529
    >>10637458
    No, it is not. Katyusha rockets use rails not tubes
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:19 No.10637546
    >>10637518
    those are depth charges.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:33 No.10637595
    >>10637527
    >rocket
    >Granit

    oh wow
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:40 No.10637614
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    The thing with Grads (and Katyushas as well) is that launchers itself are very cheap - it is basically a bunch of pipes (or rails) slapped on top of simple truck. The problem is the retaliation. They tactic can be described as "get on the position, rain as much fiery death at enemy as possible, and OH GOD OH GOD GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE BEFORE THEY BOMBED YOU IN HELL". More complex russian MLRS systems like TOS-1 (it is not just rocket spam, it is thermobaric rocket spam!) was mostly used in conflicts where enemy did not had much of long-range artillery, like Chechen wars.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:44 No.10637623
    >>10637614

    they can't always depend on a riverbank to scoot behind for cover like in Stalingrad
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:47 No.10637626
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    20 GRADs can spam 800 rockets in 20 seconds
    try to stop them
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:49 No.10637629
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    >>10637626
    reminds me of this guy
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:50 No.10637631
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    >>10637626

    just imagine that fire... 800 rockets....mmmm
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:06 No.10637655
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    >>10637631

    Oh god

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy3rNEpwsLw
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:07 No.10637656
    >>10637626
    Well, you got the idea.

    The cannon artillery is still subjected to counterbattery fire, and. And it is less mobile and more expensive. With cannon artillery, you tow guns to the position, deploy them, and start firing shell after shell until the enemy locate your position and start shelling back. With MLRS, on other hand, you move into position, deploy, fire all your shells in one salvo and try to get the fuck out as fast as possible. I don't know how long it takes for enemy to calculate the position of cannon artillery shelling them, but i heard that time before retaliation against the MLRS is counted in minutes.

    The time to deploy Grad is 3.5 minutes, the range is up to 20 kilometers (modern russian howitzers have range up to 30 kilometers). It is really inaccuratem though.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:15 No.10637667
    >>10637301
    Sounds like an urban legend.
    >> Murse !!Zg/behKj1nE 01/26/12(Thu)08:16 No.10637670
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    >>10637626
    >Be German in the Eastern Front in WWII
    >Suddenly hear in the distance a loud, distinctive whistling noise coming towards you preety fast
    >That feel when
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:39 No.10637723
    >>10637667
    most likely is just something someone imagined
    but i wasn't there so i can't say for sure
    >> noko Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:42 No.10637732
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    >>10637454
    they did. they are called Komar(mosquito) and Osa(wasp) type missile boats.

    Basically, insects...

    However, the range and accuracy required to hit a NATO warship demanded a much better missile, a heavy guided anti-ship missile.
    not a dirt cheapass Grad rocket.

    The heavy and large size of the missiles meant that the boats couldn't carry much of them, and just look at the fucking boats. The missile being fired is larger that the boat.... The whole thing is in smoke and fire.

    The missile is large and has 500kg warhead because it needs to sink a 70.000t carrier or a large american destroyer, and that isn't easy.

    It's a one-way weapon, a 200t class boat that packs a heavy punch, has zero defensive armament.

    They later came to their senses and made a corvette-class missile ship of 500t with some more sensible seakeeping and multupurpose abilities.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:55 No.10637757
    >>10637656
    modern grad rockets fire up to 50 kilometers
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:01 No.10637779
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    even the chinese military doctrines evolved beyond rocket spam
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:07 No.10637792
    um problem is one rocket barrage costs shit ton of money
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:11 No.10637803
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3idbJF0iB0

    FINLAND STRONG!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:15 No.10637819
    >>10637792

    >>10637389
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:19 No.10637831
    >>10637779
    That's because nowadays China takes its cue from the US and not the wheezing and coughing Russian Armed forces
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:59 No.10637969
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    >>10637757
    The "Grad" is name of the BM-21 system, and it is used from the 1969. More modern systems are Uragan (range is up to 35 kilometers) and Smerch (up to fucking 90 kilometers), but they have less barrels (16 and 12 respectively).

    >>10637792
    >military
    >concerned with money
    Don't make me laugh. At least, you can be sure that you actually fire all this rockets before the launcher gets destroyed. And laucher itself is dirt cheap (BM-21, at least, BM-30 Smerch is more expensive, i think).
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:00 No.10637973
    >>10637803
    FINLAND VERY STRONG

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysj5_YbHMTc

    ebun ragettispageddia :D
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:03 No.10637981
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    >>10637779
    Well, actually, China is still using rocket spam at battalion and brigade/regimental level, notably organic artillery units armed with 122mm rockets like the one used by the BM21 Grad, beside 122mm artillery tubes, but at the divisional and group army level, they indeed evolved to the point of using fuck huge 300mm+ rockets with a range of 150km and loaded with SADARM (sensor guided anti tank rounds) or cluster-ordnance instead.

    Nice documentary (in Chinese) about their equivalent to the SADARM as used on the 300mm rocket artillery:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVSEGzhTt8&list=UU0EedErebXDzGT36P3cQjEg&index=16&featur
    e=plcp

    And at military region/theatre level, they'll just fuck people up with MIRV'ed conventional SRBM's and cruise missiles.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:05 No.10637985
    Is there any reason to use conventional artillery instead of MLRS?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:07 No.10637990
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    >>10637985
    yes. conventional artillery is more accurate, has longer range usually, can be loaded with precision guided shells and base-bleed extended range ordnance, and is usually more flexible and has a better logistical footprint.
    try reloading an MRLS vs an artillery... You'll see...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:09 No.10637998
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    >>10637981
    Obligatory China (artillery) Strong:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-ucKXfHXk&list=UU0EedErebXDzGT36P3cQjEg&index=4&feature
    =plcp
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:11 No.10638005
    >>10637981
    Well, to be fair, russian BM-30 Smerch can fire cluster self-guided anti-tank missiles as well.

    By the way, thing on your picture looks like chinese Smerch copy
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:14 No.10638016
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    >>10638005
    yes, it is. the PHL03 is a licence made smerch tube artillery, based on a chinese made truck and chinese rocket engines.

    It is pretty much an acknowledgement of the superior design of the smerch system.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:16 No.10638023
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    >>10637032
    With regular HE payloads? Not so much.

    Now, when your payload are pic related.. Then you have an anti-everything weapon, which is why the Soviets/Russians made them in the 80's after NATO showed their effectiveness and NATO had them as the standard payload for MLRS systems.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:19 No.10638029
    >>10638016
    >>10637981
    Interesting... It has more range compared to the BM30. perhaps they needed the range boost to bombard Taiwan from the other coast of the strait.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:19 No.10638031
    >>10637990
    >try reloading an MRLS vs an artillery... You'll see...

    While reloading tube artillery is easier, reloading rocket artillery only takes 5 minutes on the field.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:26 No.10638045
    >>10637985
    >>10637990
    It is like comparing a tank and attack helicopter. It is all situational, conventional artillery excels in one situations, while MLRS - in other ones.

    About the reloading - MLRS is not supposed to be reloaded during battle, it is more like "Hit and run" type of weapon. You just don't have time to reload, after the salvo the only thing that should bother you is how to get as far from your previous position as possible, because time before retaliation can be counted in minutes. In fact, one of the declared characteristics of most russian MLRS is displacement time.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:30 No.10638052
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    Real FA guy here to clear some stuff up.
    1. Rockets are used extensively in modern conflict, however in a precision role now. Not a lot of village destroying here.
    2. Guided MLRS (GMLRS) rockets are just as accurate as anything else out there, and in practice more so than the FA's ONE precision round. There are more types of GPS guided rockets, and low collateral precision warheads as well. There are videos you can find of a GMLRS Unitary rocket being called in on a specific building in the middle of an urban sprawl. The building disappears, and not even the lamp post outside of it is touched.
    4. Unfortunately, the rounds are so expensive that you don't see many units employing rockets outside of the SOF community (HIMARS batteries almost exclusively support SOF units these days).
    5. Cannon batteries still exist to provide a Direct Support asset to a tactical unit commander (BDE and below). This is because the explosive yield is literally less than that of a rocket. Also, as stated the logistics footprint is smaller, and the rounds are cheaper and can be fired a whole lot faster than a rocket can. Plus they don't take up enormous blocks of airspace when fired, allowing you to use them in conjunction with close air support. There ARE precision cannon rounds, and they are very accurate, but anyone who has called one in will tell you they got the yield all wrong and it typically doesn't destroy shit.

    I hope you all appreciate your lesson in field artillery today.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:33 No.10638065
    >>10637985
    Basically, Rocket artillery is for when you need to put a lot of ordinance in one area very quickly. This is why NATO doctrine initially had MLRS systems used primarily in the counter battery role while using cluster munitions, MLRS proved to be exceptional in this role during the first Gulf War where batteries of MLRS could begin firing at enemy artillery positions within 30 seconds of them first opening fire.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:31 No.10638358
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    >>10638052
    Thanks for clearing it up.

    >There ARE precision cannon rounds, and they are very accurate, but anyone who has called one in will tell you they got the yield all wrong and it typically doesn't destroy shit.

    seriously? that sounds pretty bad then. but I guess this would be actually good for the surgical strike envisioned for these ordnance...

    another question here about FOs; where are those assets typically placed within an ORBAT? as dedicated recce/FO companies organic to the BDE, or some platoons or sections in an BTN? Because; to clear up misunderstandings generated due to excessive coowadooty and similiar bullshit; it appears from these cases that every fucking grunt fireteam could call in tacticool nukes, CAS and suppressive artillery strikes etc, which shouldnt be true, right? So, where are those assets situated that actually can?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:49 No.10638497
    >>10637132
    It's that you can fit the launchers to lightweight vehicles en-masse.

    So, yes, pretty much.

    >>10637139
    Armor is a pretty reliable way to counter it. It's not as accurate as either guided missiles OR conventional artillery, so a direct hit is unlikely. Thus, there is a much higher chance that you will get through the barrage without getting a hole blown in your armor.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:51 No.10638511
    >>10637969
    >the "Grad" is name of the BM-21 system
    think you didn't quite get what I was trying to say
    "Grad" is using it's own designated 122mm rockets
    Smerch is 300mm

    more recent rockets for Grad have range up to 50km over old 20km
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:59 No.10638562
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    A battery of nine M270 MLRS has the power of a small tactical nuke.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:01 No.10638570
    >>10638511
    Ayup, my bad (though they go up to 40km, not 50)

    >>10638497
    There are self-guided anti-tank rockets, even for BM-21. They are only effective in open country, though.



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