I said "no, you can't just perform random searches of people's property without probable cause". This is where things started to go downhill. There was a bit more conversation about searching my bags and more of my refusal, reminding them that they had no right to do so. I believe I quoted the 4th amendment which really pissed them off and one of them commented that my rights don't matter in this case. Finally, belligerent cop said "if we don't search your bags then you can't go in", so I said "fine, I'll leave" and turned around and started to walk away. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw belligerent cop come at me and it was clear he was going to try something physical, so I braced myself. He grabbed me and tried to throw me to the ground, but I managed to slip loose and he ended up going down himself. Now the other cop is screaming at me to get down on the ground and I turn around to see him pointing his Glock at me. I cannot believe this is happening. An anticipated fun day at the range instantly turned into a nightmare.

At that point, I was tired and just wanted to get out of there. We still needed to drive all the way back to the range to pick up my car. They apparently didn't bother to search the car thankfully, since everything was the way I left it.

While I was being processed at the police station, I found out why they were stopping and searching people at the range. Apparently, about a week ago there was an incident where a cop was shot. The cop is OK, but apparently some very specific ammunition was used and they were looking for anyone who might have it or a gun that could fire it. Somehow they got the idea to search everyone going to the range. I don't know what the logic is behind that decision or what the details are, but I'll try to find out more later.

Apparently the cops are very upset about this shooting and are going crazy to find the shooter. Violating people's rights don't seem to be any of their concern, as long as they find their man.

Luckily, my wife works for a very large law firm in Chicago which is the exclusive firm for the CPD. I am going to talk with a lawyer later today about the whole ordeal.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Well Fuck...OP Elaborate more

>PS90
>Chicago
What?

all this text
all this text
all this text
THEN
>...in Chicago
You don't say, OP? You'd have more of a chance as an absolute lowest-class citizen of Tel Aviv. Have fun with Corruptago's legal system.

tl;dr cops = legal gang.

if one of them goes down (or not even) the rest are on a frenzy for blood.

Sue the fuckers.

>>10441984
FUCK DA POLICE.

>chicago

>>10442010
>>10442011
he didn't say he lives in chicago, just that his wife works there.

the chicago suburbs have about twice the population of chicago itself, and the vast majority of them don't have bullshit gun laws like chicago or cook county.

Dunno if this is real or not, but a quick tip for all you trying to avoid getting trampled on.

The phrase "I know my rights" is one of the worst things to say to a cop. Every dumbass says that. And frankly, the cops aren't here to protect your rights, they exist to clean up messes.

The best way to go about it is to be polite but firm. "I respect your authority, but I do not consent to a search at this time" is literally all you need to say.

op promise me that you will milk the police department for every penny you can.

chicago and illinois as a whole are greedy as fuck. the CTA garages had a price hike again and the tollways did too. the state and the shit city keep trying to squeeze us dry, time to squeeze back.

plus, i love it when the shitty local cops get bad press.

>>10442034
doesn't matter what he said, the cop clearly gave him the option to leave and when OP took it the other retard tried to tackle him. then retard number 1 goes on full alert and draws.

this is unacceptable. fucking idiots like that shouldn't be hired to be cops in the first place.

>>10442021
After looking at the Brady Campaign's site, it seems you're correct. I knew Chicago was shittier than the rest of the state but I thought they had some kind of AWB.

COP logic
>Well there was an officer involved shooting
>Obviously fired out of an old Hi-Point, graffiti errywhere around the scene
>"Better check the people at the gun range and overstep our bounds with the people that try and follow the rules"
>CHIGAGO!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me OP?
>Act like this was a white person and not some juvenile melanin enhanced gentleman. Why don't they go search some highschools?

>mfw OP gets $10,000,000 from the city of Chicago.

Capcha: omnipotent Reagan

>cop was shot

Cops go full animal when one of their own is hurt. Just be glad the officer wasn't killed. If they had to kill dozens of innocents to get to the real culprit they would do so.

Especially Chicago.

Seriously fuck that place, I trust Blood or Crip members from other cities before I trust a Chicago Cop.

If God destroyed 2 cities again based on their corruption, he would destroy Chicago, rebuild it, then destroy it again.

Only /k/omrades should be cops.

inb4 that underage dylan faggot appears and starts defending this shithole

chicago is absolute shit, and the shitty city pretty much ruins the entire state.

>>10442091
That was funny as hell.

every time i get pissed off about CA gun laws, i give thanks I don't need a FOID or whatever they call it in MA.

i still cry myself to sleep at nights over my bullet button AR, though.

Used to work in the city.

You just fucked with a very corrupt, very dangerous organization.

There's a reason I don't go to the city anymore.

It sucks being harassed by police, especially when rights are violated or the line is being stretched too far, but when one of their own gets hurt or killed, it is a major major deal, and things get very emotional afterward. You would have to be in their shoes to fully understand the lives and mindsets they have, which I don't fully understand myself. The best advice I can give you is to not take the incident personal, even though things got physical and your rights were ignored. I can tell you that whoever was shot was probably like a brother to them, and they went on high alert at that place afterward.

Why was it so hard to just let them search your shit? Did you have anything to hide from them?

>>10442231
8/10

>>10442180
lol no, their job is to solve crimes, not harass innocent people going to the range, ignore their rights, and endanger their lives pointing a loaded gun at them. seriously cops like this need to disappear behind a desk or just get fired and lose their benefits

>>10442180

doesn't justify trampling on everybody else's rights. peace officers are to be held to a higher standard because of the public trust placed on them to enforce our laws and protect us.

Question if your rights(bill of rights from Constitution) are being violated by a government agent/ officer what are you able to do in that situation as an american besides taking it up the ass than suing later.

As crazy as this sounds... I would have turned around and faced the cop coming towards me
> face cop
> start walking backwards and asking wtf he is doing and tell him to stop charging at you
> if he keeps after you draw on him and tell him to back the fuck off...
Im so fed up with corrupt cops id go to prison for shooting one inna face just to get him off the street....

Well obviously only the lowest scum become cops to begin with.

Filthy, lying and, most importantly, and sociopathic and sadistic scum.

They become cops to work in jobs that let them satisfy their sadistic urges.

fuck cops. when one goes down I dont give a fuck

>>10442282

>pull a gun on a cop
>fullretard.jpg

>>10442282
at me.... sorry i changed from 1st to 2nd person...

Bullshit. Did not happen.

>>10442291
so long as you are in between him and his partner
and you arent breaking any laws
he is coming after you as a corrupt cop/someone looking to assault you
Get a good attorney... but like i said i'd take life in prison before i lose my rights..

>>10442231

Is that the best you can do?

1/10 for making me respond that is the best I can do

lazy troll is lazy

Your story has one flaw, you had the right to refuse the search when it was "consensual" aka they asked you if it was ok.

You said cop said, you are not free to go until we complete our search.

Detention.... legal so long as he doesn't search your car.

Sounds like you got pwned... man the fuck up

If I (an Australian) were to become a US citizen and then go to a range in murrka or something, and there were police there doing illegal searches and they see me and ask to do a search, is my accent probable cause for them to question my citizenship therefore my right to bear arms?

Just wondering.

And here is how OP might have done it

>Here's my shit Mr Officer, is everything in order?
>Good Sir, you are free to bring your effects into this fine establishment. A pleasant day to you.

Alternatively
>FUCK YOU PIG BITCHES! I GOTS RIGHTS!
>one beatdown later
>"Holy shit, this nagger had enough crack in his bag to take out the Eastern Seaboard. Better lube up our nightsticks for this one"

Cops go APESHIT when one of their own get's hurt.
One of my neighbors had the police rush into his house, throw him and his wife on the ground, and take his son out in handcuffs all because they SUSPECTED (with no evidence or warrant) that he had been connected to the murder of a police officer.
They fucking came to the door while they were eating breakfast and started pounding on it screaming "POLICE, OPEN UP". When he opened the door an officer who already had his weapon drawn immediately grabbed him and tackled him to the ground while two other guys ran in to attack his wife and grab his son.
He ended up suing the city and winning a tiny settlement that barely covered the legal fees.


Oh and his son didn't have anything to do with the murder. It was some random gangbanger who shot an off duty cop, after the cop got into a drunken argument with him. There was only a tiny blurb in a local newspaper about it. They called the police "overzealous".

>>10442339
>>HURR U SHUD JUST CONSENT TO ILLEGAL SURCHES


Cop detected.

>I said "no, you can't just perform random searches of people's property without probable cause".

Before this statement
> the other cop said "we need to check your firearms. We're performing a check on all firearms and you can't go in until we complete the check".

This made me lol

>>10442334
Only in Arizona, and only until that one immigration law (sb 170) gets shitcanned (which is in process, as there is a shortage of cheap labor since the damn thing passed.)

>>10442349

Assuming the search was illegal. I believe you are flawed in your logic. They told him why they were searching and what they were searching for. Illegal weapons. So long as their search didn't extend beyond that scope. No laws were broken.

Law fag here

Chicago fag here, OP which range was this???

>>10442349
>ILLEGAL

Funny how when the matter comes to court that never seems to be the case. "Legally" the officers can pretty much do anything they want to you and if you want to avoid unpleasentries, best to suck it up and comply. Nothing to hide, nothing to worry about.

The problem is that it's not worth it.

These motherfuckers don't give a fuck about our rights, and this incident proves it.

You have to look at cops as highway men -- they can and will fuck you up if they can get away with it.

>>10442382
>>law fag here

I'm sorry friend, you're going to flunk out of school. The police cannot simply say "we're searching for X" and just randomly search anyone who walks by without consent or probable cause.
If an officer pulls you over for a broken tail light or something and says "We've had problems with people running drugs here, mind if we search your car?" Then you have a legal right to say "No officer, I do not consent to any searches."
Unless the officer can bullshit some probable cause up real fast he cannot legally search your vehicle/person.

>>10442393

You don't have the right to own illegal shit.

Cops search for illegal shit. You has illegal shit = you pwned

You dont has illegal shit = you walk free.

Either way PC is as easy as... we are looking for guns.... people at gun ranges have guns.... lets go check there.

>>10442407

So people who want to shoot legally, will bring ILLEGAL guns to shoot them legally.

>>10442407
>>we are looking for things that are legal under the 2A
>>that means we can search anyone we please as they walk in and out of the range


Ha, no. Any good lawyer could get a case pulled up from that shit tossed out before you even enter a plea.

>>10442399

You just made 2 different situations sound like the same situation. Cars for example are a different area of search.

Depending on the situation a search warrant might be necessary before the officer can even look inside. Unless it is "in plane view"

Don't think because its on your person its the same thing as in your car.

Two different types of searches two different sets of case law.

>>10442410

we are talking about criminals right? They do dumb shit how do you think they get caught.

Thinking logically about illogical beings.

>>10442407

HURR U GOT NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IF U NOT DOIN ANY ILLEGAL STUFF

>>10442415

PLAIN view. I hope you're not the guy in law school.

You have the right to not to consent to a search. And without probable cause, which in this case is as doubtful as hell, you shouldn't get searched legally.

Should've gotten their badge numbers. In any case, sue for assault and infringement of civil rights and profiling, the standard battery.

>>10442399
>Unless the officer can bullshit some probable cause up real fast he cannot legally search your vehicle/person.

Except the LEO can ALWAYS find a half dozen court-approved reasons to detain your ass. So suck it up and cooperate or at least stop bitchin if you get slapped down into your place when you done.

>>10442415
The officer asked for consent.


No warrant is needed if the officer has probable cause. He would need a warrant if the car was on OP's property.
I was talking about a car driving down a public street. OP is either on private property (the range parking lot) or on public property.
OP had a legal right to refuse the search.

>>10442334
Technically, yes. In Arizona and a select number of backwards as fuck southern states.

But really it's just a Republican ploy to get racist redneck fucks like some of the folks on /k/ to vote for them.

Foolishly assuming that this troll is telling the truth, a competent lawyer could make the PD sweat a little. It sounds like a variation of the "California DWI Checkpoint" but implemented by a numbnuts with out any attempt to understand the procedural subtleties that make it legal.

But my real question here is why would any range go along with this? I can understand the range withing to stay in the good graces of the Police, but it would be financial suicide.

I gave a dna sample once to Miami Dade homicide. They were investigating a serial killer case. I was pulled over for a broken rear window and given a ticket. A week later to sharp looking men in suits knock on my door. I open it, and they tell me "we're with Miami Dade homicide. Can we come in?" I say OK.

Look story short; they tell me they are investigating a series of homicides and that one of the victims was a regular at the bar across the street. They then "requested" a DNA swab on the spot.

I knew they didn't have a right to request jack shit, but I gave it anyway just to avoid trouble.

Name the range OP. I hit a bunch today trying to go shooting. All were closed for the holiday.

Chicagofag as well here.

>>10442435
>>guise, just let jack booted thugs fuck you. ur dumb if u don't.


It's people like you who make cops think it's alright to shove people around. You just let them walk all over you.

Holy shit there's a bunch of redneck DONT TREAD ON ME and angsty 18 year olds in this thread.

>>10442382
Probable Cause? Warrant? Do either of these terms mean anything to you?

>>10442407

Fuck you. Why don't you let me in your house so I can go through your shit?

Got something to hide?

>>10442449

Im calling bullshit seeing as how OP won't respond to us.

This thread has gotten extremely out of hand.

PC and RS are so easy to come up with the police can search you for almost anything.

If you want to be a tool to the cops, you will be treated like a tool.

Simple as that.

>>10442461

Come on over, hope you have a search warrant or im going to shoot you because i will be "in fear for my life" and you will be trespassing.

GOODLUCK SIR.

May the one with best legal standing win. Oh and i guess the last one standing as well.

>>10442448
>>inviting the police INTO YOUR HOUSE


WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?


No matter what the circumstances, just say "I'm sorry officer, any questions will have to go through my attorney."


Cops can fuck you 10 different ways by simply getting a detail wrong in court. NEVER talk to the cops without a lawyer there to give you legal counsel.

>>10442453
cry more, faggot.

cops are known for being retards that possess no valuable skills, so they essentially become henchmen. there is no reason why you should let some fuckwad that couldn't even get a bachelors degree walk all over you unless you are/want to be one of those fuckwads.

>>10442407
By your logic the cops could strip search anyone in the street at any time for any reason because they MIGHT have something, anything, illegal in their possession.
No.

>>10441986
The last time I talked back to a cop I got put in jail for a couple hours.

WTF? It keeps telling me that "part of your post can't be posted.

>>10442478
This HAS to be a troll.


>>say you shouldn't fear searches unless you have something to hide
>>anon asks if he can search your house
>>I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU


That should be your response when the cops want to force their way in for an illegal search.

>>10442487
>implying they can't and don't

Teenager with no actual life experience detected.

hipster fuck

>>10442482

Assuming cops don't have degrees....

Ignorant statement

>>10442438
Automobiles are still private property. And yes police are required to obtain a warrant or provide PC of why he searched your vehicle.

>>10442499

Search warrant = right to search

Anon in my house w/o my permission = crime

>>10442480

Yes, I serious made a mistake. I realize that now. You live and learn.

I found out later that Miami Dade homicide "requested" DNA samples from hundreds of men. Everyone who got a parking ticket or any other form of ticket within a certain area got a visit from the homicide cops.

>>10442502
yes, associates degrees, or in the rare case a bullshit criminal justice bachelors degree aka a more bullshit degree than women's studies.

>>10442471
>PC and RS are so easy to come up with the police can search you for almost anything

Once apon a time at LAPD Police Academy, the instructor would hold up an Officer's Field Notebook and say "You need PC? You just write it right here!".

...And LAPD has been under a consent decree for over a decade, and loses a million-dollar court case about every five weeks or so. And so it goes.

>>10442517
We weren't talking about warrants you fucking dipshit. You said "if the police ask to search you then you should just let them, you have nothing to hide."


If the police have a warrant then they don't need to ask.

>>10442499
>cops enter your house illegally
>your response should involve you telling them you'll kill them

Enjoy prison retard

>>10442532

rofl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIsSyP4Xq1M&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kVX6NIPzB0&feature=related


Good videos for you guys. It's amazing how few people would just give their rights up because a man with a badge asks them too.

>>10442534

Except i was talking about person searches you brought private property into the mix. Difference here is you are a retard.

>>10442543
I was never more proud of Anon than that day.

> Finally the other cop said "we need to check your firearms. We're performing a check on all firearms and you can't go in until we complete the check". Again I asked "why?". The belligerent cop said "we're just doing a check" and again demanded to see my ID.

WALLET INSPECTOR! GET YOUR WALLETS INSPECTED HERE!

> Not checking the entry of the structure you're entering for checkpoints/shenanigans prior to disembarkation from your vehicle
> Not using privately owned land and/or range to fire weapons on in the first fucking place
This is easy mode shit, fucking do it to avoid crap like what just happened and various other things.

> Not using a all-metal lockbox to store weapons and ammunition inside of
Nothing says "Fuck you, search consent DENIED" then a locked, metal container.

> Not giving a fuck about intimidation by smurfs, or anyone else for that matter
I'd like to see them try and move a GSR pattern on the back of your clothes to the front... Or the tissue disruption pattern and exit wound which demonstrates you were walking away in a "Don't give a fuck" pose, for that matter.
Also, you know, all the people inside the range with loaded fucking weapons wondering WTF when/if they hear a shot from outside, and see some poor fuck laying face-down without a single weapon in his hand... Also maybe CCTV footage.
> Chicago
LOL never mind, they'd just "misplace" the case file when they figured out they couldn't cheat to win it, and then they'd be the ones not giving a fuck.

>>10442553
We're going in circles here.


If a cop asks me if he can search my person I can just say "nope." and ask if I can leave.


The cop cannot legally say "NO FUCK U, I SEARCH U ANYWAY!"

Subjects don't have rights. You either submit to their orders or they will make your life a living hell. You can stand up to them and die a free man. This isn't recommended but treat the cops politely until they start ordering you around. When they do order you around tell them you don't recognize their authority. You only have freedom if you're willing to stand up for yourself regardless who is against you. Freedom is something you have to defend or you have no freedom at all. Freedom is a state of mind and not many people are capable of earning it.

>>10442573

The only people who believe this are people who haven't actually tried it.

>>10442582
>14 years old

>>10442584
I have tried it.


A good cop will say "alright" (cops I got) a shitty cop will detain you and you'll need to call a lawyer.
I have had the police at my door and I have refused to allow them entry as well. Deal w/ it.

>>10442590

No you haven't kid. Just stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6hzZclbjLk&feature=related


Here's another video for you guys.


Learn your shit and make sure you always have a good lawyer's card in your wallet.

>>10442592
You don't have to believe me.

A police officer walked up to my door to ask about a couple robberies in the area. I stood in the doorway and he asked if he could come inside and talk. I said "I'd rather speak outside.".


The officer stepped back and I walked outside and closed the door behind me.

call me stupid, but wouldn't it just have been easier to let them check your shit out?

you did'nt shoot the cop, you had nothing illegal on you, so why try the smart arse "i know my rights!!!11" routine

>>10442634
>arse
ausfag/britfag scum detected.

just because you were fine with becoming a worthless peon doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>10442634
We are in a time loop.


Doomed to have the same discussion 5 times in the same thread.


When people simply allow the police to search them for no reason it gives the cops the idea that this is OK. It isn't. The police need to understand that they are civil servants and not demi gods ruling over peasants.

>>10442634
your stupid

>>10442634

Because they had no reason to search your stuff.

Because he had embarrassing porn inside.

Because he was the guy who shot the cop earlier.

Because he was in a hurry.

Because they had no right or reason to.

Because he could.

>>10442596
That Mexibro

>I took the day off yesterday to go to the range

do you perhaps mean the POLICE range?
if so, you so stupid

>>10442634
Sure is fascism in here.

The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail, its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter, the rain may enter -- but the King of England cannot enter; all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement!

did you go to the municipal range?
the city range?
the POLICE RANGE? the one where the police can check all firearms entering the range but never do until a cop gets shot?

>>10442596
>>10442649
Anyone else find it incredibly frustrating that it is a CRIME to lie to a police officer yet the police can simply lie to you all they want without ANY negative repercussions?

>>10442648

no, but its not as if they wanted to anally probe the guy, just look at what ammo he was carrying, a 30 second check and he couldn've gone into the range and carried on with his day

but nooooooooooooo, in typical /k/ommando internet warrior style turned a non event into a fucking disaster.

also

>just because you were fine with becoming a worthless peon doesn't mean everyone else is

NDAA says you are a worthless peon whether you like it or not, any freedom you think you have is a fucking illusion

after all, everytime you walk through an airport scanner the 4th amendment is violated, where are the armed uprisings about your freedoms being taken away? lol

accept it, 99% of the population are pretty apathetic about their rights being taken away or violated, and to pretend that you would risk getting fucking shot over someone looking in your bag, to prove a point, is insane.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!

>>10442694
There are a lot of people who are willing to get killed over their rights.

That's kinda why we have rights in the first place.
>>hurr durr accept that everyone is apathetic

Self fulfilling prophecy. You Say that we should be apathetic because others are. The only way things get like this is because others say "well bob is apathetic, I might as well be too".

>>10442268
Suing later is about the only option available. In theory, if the cops are breaking the law they have no special status and you can treat them the same way you'd treat any other citizen that was demanding to search your bags and then jumped you when you tried to walk away...but just try it, and see what happens.

What SHOULD have happened: Cop sees him approaching, smiles, says "Hello, sir. A police officer was shot recently with some specific, easily identified ammunition. Would you mind if we took a look in your bag? You don't have to allow it if you don't want to, but it would help us out." (he either says yes or no) "Thank you, sir, and have a good day at the range. Stay safe." But that's assuming the cop is a professional who doesn't get pissed off at the fact that a civilian is telling him "no" to something he's got every right to say "no" to...and apparently, those kinds of cops are fewer and farther between every day.

>>10442694
>you would risk getting fucking shot over someone looking in your bag, to prove a point, is insane.

I would, and I hope others would too.

>>10442382
What probable cause did they have to think he was carrying an illegal weapon? They need a reason to think "This is probably the guy"--like he matches a description they have, or that kind of thing.

>>10442691
Yes. The second video in >>10442551 is the fucking WORST. SHIT. EVER. Not just the implied racism of "Gang activity" and "Tec9s" and the driver having dark skin, it's the presumption of guilt before innocence that takes my rage to the next level.

If you're presumed guilty by the cops you're facing, they're not cops, they're just fucking thugs in uniform with oddly shaped peices of metal and cloth pinned onto it. There's basically no chance for your winning an immediately decisive victory against that shit, which everyone really fucking wants in that situation.

>>10442711
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

>>10442730
>inevitable²and
>forgets to remove super script from Wikipedia >c+v fail

>>10442448
Glad things turned out well for you. But the best advice is to say "No, I'm sorry, I'm not ready for company right now. My lawyer will be happy to talk to you about any questions you have for me, though." You may think you have nothing to hide, but its amazing what perfectly innocent shit can get twisted around by the cops and prosecutors. If your lawyer thinks its okay to give a DNA swab, then do it down at the police station.

By the way, the cops now have your DNA in a database, and they don't throw that away.

This is from the same retarded PD who had two gang members shoot each other in the police locker room. Needless to say, the gang members were police officers. I'm glad to hear you're going to sue these fuckers, call the NRA too. Might not do you much good, but they seem to hate Chicago so you never know. So much for the whole "police will be on your side if the government tries to overstep it's bounds" bullshit.

>>10442520
lol...sounds like that episode of Dexter. Are you the Bay Harbor Butcher?

Anyone who thinks that OP was in the wrong in this story has never experienced outrage in their entire lives.

Grow a pair, the badge disappears when you hit your boiling point.

>>10442753
This. I wonder how many people police can collect whatever they want on just because they don't want any trouble.

>>10442774
>That feel when your class went to a police station in kindergarten and they took fingerprints

>>10442634
>you did'nt shoot the cop, you had nothing illegal
>on you, so why try the smart arse "i know my >rights!!!11" routine

Dude, innocent people get convicted of crimes every day. Even innocent details get twisted around and you end up on the defensive.

>>10442753
>>mfw the japanese scanned my handprints for some reason on my way into the country
>>they didn't tell me why and I have no idea what kind of database my handprints and photograph went into.

>>10442691
It's a crime to lie to a federal officer, but not a police officer (at least in CA).

>>10442778
Did they keep a set? Usually they give them to the parents I thought?

I shouldn't be surprised that you neckbeards fell for this copypasta.

>>10442789
I DON'T KNOW MAN WHAT DO THEY USUALLY DO?!?

>>10441998

Chicago, huh?

Those pigs are a pathetic excuse for a cop. Sor fucking sorry, man.
There is no justice until you take revenge yourself. They will attack you and make you suffer until you get a lawyer.

Many ex cop thinks differently. Whatever happens to you just take legal revenge and go all the way.

la-fag here; it could be worse.

>>10442778
In my case, the cops came to the school. It was under the guise of creating a database in case of child abduction. Years later, I realize the truth: it's social engineering at it's finest.

>>10442778
>mfw I went to my local state police HQ and asked them to fingerprint me for a C&R license application

OP, you had nothing illegal, so why didn't you just show your ID instead of being a belligerent prick to the apparent pricks who were just doing their jobs?

>>10443970
So..people should only assert their rights when they've actually done something wrong?

>PS90

Stopped reading right there.

ITT: angsty kids, and OP is a faggot

>>10443970
>refusing to let people walk all over you
>standing by your rights when people try to fuck with you
>belligerent

Get a load of this faggot.

I have to completely agree with OP on this one.. if the officers had simply stated their reason for searching his belongings it would have been a whole different story. They were the ones being uncooperative.

>>10444011
>Go to Football game
>Security goes to check your bag

"Fuck off! I got rights!"

>>10444081
except that's privately owned and they have the right to search you before you go in. OP opted to not go in because he didn't want to get searched.

>>10444081
And if you decide you don't want to be searched, you have the right to walk away, just like OP did. What happened was a violation of the constitution. Quit trying to justify fascist faggotry.

>live in chicago.
>pretty nice neighborhood.
>it's summer time and i'm getting ready to ride around on my harley.
>wearing leathers and a POW MIA shirt that i got from a motorcycle ride.
>this was during the time the chicago outlaws and the chicago hells angles were at war.
>i'm not affiliated with either club nor am i wearing colors to that effect.
>riding around aimlessly, thinking that i should go to the local beer garden when i get home.
>blue lights.
>pull over and have my license, proof of insurance, and registration ready.
>cop comes over and i hand over my papers like a good citizen.
>cop goes back to his squad car to run my ID.
>a few seconds later another squad car and an unmarked car show up.
>the suit in the unmarked car looks at my ID and looks at me and nods to the cop who stopped me initially.
>they detain me for questioning.
>whatever, i am thinking of how badly i'm gonna sue the shit out of them.
>get to the station and they're questioning me about people i have no idea about because of my last name.
>i'm not even related to the guy.
>nor am i involved with illegal guns.
>they hold me for as long as they can hold me.
>i get back to my bike and my saddle bags and tool kit are all shredded.
>get home
>call lawyer
>we sue the shit out of the dept.
>i get about 50k and an apology from the city.

my last name is spilotro and i am in no way, shape, or form related to the notorious dead mobster who shares the same surname. i'm a fucking architect. but because of my name they were positive i either had intel on something or was up to something.

>>10444081
>Fuck off
>Implying OP was rude
>Implying I ever suggested being rude

And no because that's a private security force hired by a private organization to enforce rules on private property. If you don't like it you're free to leave.

The police, a public force, showing up to check people's shit at a range they don't own, and then attempting to stop and arrest someone for basically no reason at all is another thing all together. And don't even get me started about drawing a weapon on someone. The police do no have the right to overrule your rights without probable cause at least.

tl;dr pigs gonna pig

What happened to /k/. Why did it turn into reddit?

>>10444125
Clearly, the OP has never heard of the TSA.

Probably because he's too young to have flown anywhere, and his family is too poorfag to take vacations.

I invite everyone to join me in bombing this thread with pics of the TSA so that everyone can think about what a total failfag OP's trollthread is.

>>10444175

Nah because you choose to fly which means you're consenting to TSA searches. It'd be like if the TSA tackled you in the parking lot of Washington-Dulles.

>>10444120
>That feel when your last name is bin Laden

>>10444120
so what youre saying is i should just very polite and let the do what they do then sue?
rgr that

>>10444193
Wasn't there a story a while ago about some guy who got arrested because he refused the TSA search and opted instead to leave the airport entirely? I vaguely remember something about him not being able to take his gun with him, and got tackled when he turned to leave. I'll see if I can find it

>>10444213
Oh hell yeah. If you're a faggot and you fight like OP did, you go post a thread on 4chan and people make fun of you.

If you let the officer think he won, then sue the shit out of the department later, that officer will go on unpaid leave or get fired, you get paid, and policy changes to keep people from suing the department into oblivion.

Roger that is fucking-a right.

>>10444213
yeah, unless you wanna be a corpse or be crippled. pretty soon though, you'll see more and more people stand up to the police. pick your battles.

>>10444193
Naah, because I was talking about OPs faggoty post about 'public forces on private property'. That shit happens all the time.

tl;dr - freedom doesn't really exist, etc. etc.

>>10444240

>Land of the free*
>Some exceptions apply

>>10444266

OP was a possible terrorist and should be kept away from the dangerous public. For the best of most of us.

captcha: greenpeace erasten

>>10444240
id never give a cop any reason to harm me.
im always very nice and polite.
i always say "yes officer, i completely understand _____ ."
just make them as comfortable as possible.
its saved me alot of time.
>>10444263
this, anyone who posts on face book "hurr durr look at meh gunz"
"hurr durr obamur sucks"
is a fucking moron.

>>10441984
they were just doing a check. no need to get so butthurt over it, even if the cops were speaking in a loud tone.

>>10444283
yeah it sucks, and is illegal, but ive consented to illegal searches before just to comply and save time.
fly under the radar.
DO you have something to hide?
>i hate this but.. idk some ideological fuck tell me im wrong.

About 12 hours ago I went to a range with my Kimber Ultra Carry II and a Mosin Nagant, and the cops wanted to check my ID and range bag. Apparently, they were looking for some murderer or something.

Anyway, I was like "Yeah, go for it. Hope you catch the guy!" and they looked through my bag, checked my ID, and thanked me very politely for my help, apologized for the inconvenience, and I went and had an awesome day of shooting.

But apparently, about 5 mins later some mallninja fudd was all "YEW CAN SARCH MAH PROPPERTAH WIFOUT WARRANTZ GIT AWAY YEW OBAMMA FEMA CAMP SOJERS!!! SHEEEPDAAAAAWWWWWWGGGGG!!!!!!!!" and then started freaking out and running.

Well, the cops obviously gave him a lawful order to stop, which he refused, and that, combined with his other erratic and paranoid behavior allowed the cops to search him after arrest. Poor dumb bastard obviously thought he was 'defending his rights' or some other such nonsense. What was wierd was that another guy came in, said to the police, "I'm sorry, but I cannot consent to search at this time," and then left. Cops were like "Ok, lol".

MFW that wierdo got tackled.

>>10441984
cool copypasta, bro.

http://mp-pistol.com/boards/index.php?/topic/32335-arrested-at-range-for-refusing-illegal-search-by-
police

a few years ago a cop in town was shot and killed. the police went ape fucking shit and went on a city wide shitstorm.

a friend of mine was having a small party at his house, a birthday party. i guess it go loud and the neighbors called the cops. the cops kicked in the door and started macing people. they told one guy to drop his bag, and when he did, they told him they were going to bust him for littering.
they arrested the entire party, and took them all downtown. parents were called.
like 30+ peoples parents marched downtown in a big ass mob and caused a whole mess of shit. everyone was let go and all charges were dropped.
moral of story is you have zero rights when they police are pissed off.

I'm not normally one of the "A right unused is a right lost" type of person but I try not to talk to the police if I can help it at all times WHILE BEING RESPECTFUL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Here is an hour long class from A very prestigious law school in Virginia that is split between the attorney turned professor and the second half the chief of police about why talking to police can be bad for you even though you are innocent.

Some of the best parts are..you don't know what is incriminating.
A police officer cannot testify in your defence if they were on the job at the time...but they can testify against you
Lastly they aren't out to prove innocence just to find the guilty...and peoples memories are fuzzy as hell..a stranger can point a finger at you and an innocent word from you can back up their story

seriously if you have some time..watch this class.

>>10444310
WAT???
YOU MEAN THIS THREAD IS A TROLL AND IT DIDN'T REALLY HAPPEN???
OMG IM FLOORED MFW.

>>10444291
Christ, Zed. Come on.

>>10444310

Wow you even found the actual source of the copy.

good job

>>10444324
dude it happened whats rong wanna fite about it

>>10444290
>>some ideological fuck tell me im wrong.

You're wrong. People like you are the reason we loose our rights.

you didn't deserve to get so butthurt, OP

>>10444329
Naah, you're wrong.

If you consent to a search, it's not 'illegal'. The cops can ask to search anything, anywhere, anytime. So can you! And if the person consents, then it's a legal search.

Hell, I can set up a booth outside the football stadium with a sign that says "Bag Searches" and if people line up and give me their bag, that's consent.

tl;dr - Consenting to search does not mean you are giving up rights.

>>10444311
Should of sued.

>>10444316

this

>>10444329
>loose

Just like your mother, the filthy whore.

>>10444344

>Hell, I can set up a booth outside the football stadium with a sign that says "Bag Searches" and if people line up and give me their bag, that's consent.


This scenario is hilarious to me for some reason. Just some dude searching bags because he has nothing better to do.

This is why Southern Illinois should branch off and become it's own state.
Pic related, it's the most of our problems in So. Ill

What part of Chicago are you from, OP?

>>10444344
You are one of the worst tripfags on /k/.

He didn't consent, he walked away, then the cops became asshats. And it's your right to not consent, so you are waiving your right. You're trading freedom for convenience, those cops had no right to pursue him. People should question authority, not doing so is how you loose your rights. Just because you're innocent doesn't mean you have to cooperate, this whole idea is what makes someone think that only the guilty invoke their rights.

>>10444356
Nice and original. Way to jump on a grammatical oversight.

>>10444329
better than getting tackled and spending the night in jail or worse

I'm just gonna put this out there:

"Lose" means to have something removed from you or to dispossess something.

"Loose" is Octomom's vagina.

wow OPs story is so typical american, why not just open the bag and be over it, insted you have to douche about it and whine about your rights

>>10444385
>thinks the OP is legit

Naah, bro. naah. Consenting to search is fine. You just need to learn how to refuse a search properly and not act like a mallninja fudd. You'll learn one day, child.

>>10444385
you can simply say
>"I respect your authority, but I do not consent to a search at this time"
and not piss off the pigs by arguing

>>10442282
> if he keeps after you draw on him and tell him to back the fuck off...

Die in a hail of poorly aimed police gunfire
Cop get promoted to Paladin for killing a "terrorist"

>>10444394
You can politely refuse, then sue later after they decide they're going to search your shit anyways.
Also a nice tip for all here: Even if you do consent, you can stop the search at anytime.

obvious copypasta is obvious


anyone else notice how he went from having a gun pointed at him to "still have to drive back to the range"?

I think he sort of kinda forgot half the story while he was pasting it

OP, this will surely hit 200 posts.

Well done! 8/10.

>>10444407
>>10444408
So the cops have a right to attack you because they don't like the way you said something? And I know OP is copypasta, but the discussion about the situation is still valid.

>>10444357

FREE COMMEMORATIVE BAG SEARCHES! GET'CHA FREE COMMEMORATIVE BAG SEARCHES! DONE WHILE YOU WAIT! ABSOLUTELY FREE!

>>10442073

It wasn't Chicago cops because there are no public ranges in the City of Chicago.

>>10444403

If you don`t like your country, dude you can leave anytime.

I`m sure this planet is full of countries who would welcome you and let join them in a sacred form of citizenship.

Adorable people like you should live in Bulgaria.

>>10444425
acting belligerent and suspicious and shit is just gonna give them probably cause.

>>10442124
I'm not from CA, so don't get mad, but what's a bullet button?

>>10444409
>>10442282
Last I knew you could shoot a cop in TX for excessive use of force.

>>10444425
In some circumstances, yes. Yes they do have a right to attack you if you say stupid and wrong shit. And they go about it through a very specific way:

1. You start acting like an idiot, ranting about Obamacare or whatever.

2. Now you have made yourself a suspicious person. The cops have reason to question you, which they have a right to do.

3. Cops move closer to question you. You're flapping and squealing and going on about FEMA camps or whatever, and move away.

4. Now the cops ask you to stop. Which they have a right to do.

5. You're still dribbling nonsense about Gitmo, and don't hear them. You continue to back away, jumping around like a faggot.

6. Now you have disobeyed a lawful order to stop. You are fleeing police. They now have a right to tackle your ass, mace you, tase you, search your shit, and take you downtown for a night with Bubba and his friends.

Congrats. You've just defended your rights. Well done!

>>10444431
Refusing to consent to search is not probable cause, nor is it belligerent, nor is it suspicious. The OP said he refused to be searched, and turned to walk away. Some cop got pissed that OP didn't suck his cock and acted a fool. Those cops are shitbags and don't need to be cops.

>>10444425
> So the cops have a right to attack you because they don't like the way you said something?

Of course not, but they have the power of the State behind them and getting into a physical confrontation will only
result in you losing once it goes to court.

Know your rights, state them clearly and calmly, if necessary submit to illegal search, sue the fuck out'a them later.

The parking lot of a gun range is not a court room and no matter how justified you are, you will lose the argument.

>>10444455
What story did you read dude? There was no reason to believe OP was doing anything illegal.

>>10444468
OP clearly stated he didn't consent, and attempted to leave, the cops wanted to search and caught an attitude. He said the cop even stated his rights don't apply in this case, which is wrong. He refused, left, and the cops attacked him. Did I miss part of the story?

>>10441998
Chicago

Found your problem.


Glad everything worked out alright, I can understand cops getting mad about one of their close buddies getting shot, but violating rights is no way to go upon getting retribution.

>>10444500

Its not that much of a problem if you don't look the part. Fuck, I was parked two blocks from my apartment over the summer and walked past a squad car with a rifle case and my kit bag and the cop barely even noticed.

>>10444489
> Did I miss part of the story?

Nope, it's same story I read but nonetheless, OP wasn't going
to win an argument in a parking lot with crooked cops.

Sue the fuck out'a them later, that's what lawyers are for.

>>10444541
>crooked cops

This message has bee brought to you by the department of redundancy department.

>>10444481
>>10444489
Yeah, but the story was a troll.
That kind of thing never happens in real life, dumbass.

>>10444546
> This message has bee brought to you by the department of redundancy department.

Which is exactly my point; you WILL NOT ever win a legal argument with cops, (crooked or not) nor is a parking lot the place
to have a legal argument.

Know your rights, state them clearly and calmly, if necessary submit to illegal search, sue the fuck out'a them later.

Honestly, it's like / k / has never encountered a cop before, do you guys really think you're going to talk your way out of that situation?

op this was possibly your luckiest day ever! you could get some settlement money for your horrible asspain!:
>I didn't get much sleep last night since I'm so emotionally charged up about this and I've been awake since 3:30 am since I couldn't sleep
I would have refused too then cross my fingers and hope they kick me or cause me emotional pain and get some big money.

>>10444574

Busted?
Ten ways of dealing with the police?

>>10444564
Nope, cops never catch an attitude and rape someone's rights when their feelings get hurt.

ITT: Pic related.

>>10444564
How do you get it was a troll? It's just copypasta from another site, don't mean the shit didn't happen.

>>10444455
>paraphrasing like a motherfucker
OP told then he would not consent to what amounted to an illegal search. He did not carry on like a tea-party landwhale.
If the police are doing illegal things, why would you go along with it?

And to all the idiots thinking they were looking for anything illegal; they were looking for a specific kind of ammo that a cop got shot with. Not contraband.

>>10444574
1) All police are crooked.
2) You will never win an argument with a cop, but you sure as hell can manipulate them. I spent my entire life in Chicago, I drive like a maniac, and I act like an asshole. That said, I know how to deal with cops so I've never been arrested (despite having somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen encounters with the swine brigade) and I've only ever had three or four minor traffic citations (despite having been pulled over probably 20 or 30 times).
3) I've been illegally searched. You NEVER submit. IYou need to maintain your lack of consent through the entire process. You don't resist, but you do not submit either.
4) You don't "sue the shit" out of the cops. The bottom line is that their report is what the court will treat as fact. If you cannot prove them wrong, you'll end up losing. Even if you can prove them wrong theres a good chance you'll end up losing. Your primary interest in any interaction with a cop ought to be getting out of it intact.

>It's been about 12 hours since this happened and I'm still freakin' furious. I didn't get much sleep last night since I'm so emotionally charged up about this and I've been awake since 3:30 am since I couldn't sleep
wow op. looks like you have achieved a new level of butthurt. You can definitely get some settlement money for your emotional distress.

>>10444614
That's not what paraphrasing means, dumbass. Your hole post is invalid.

>mfw i remembered that i live in chicago

>This whole thread.
>PS90.

>>10444631

That's a post holer. You dig holes. For posts.

>>10444631

> Your hole post is invalid.
> hole

you are either some underage retard or foreigner.

>>10444640

How it should have gone:

Cop; we are searching for a specific kind of ammo. Do you consent to a search?
Anon; No, I do not.
Cop; Have a nice day.

How it went:

Cop; open your bags.
Anon; No.
Cop; Too bad.
Anon; I'm leaving.
Cop gets butthurt and tackles Anon.
Cop 2 draws gun.

>>10444624
>You can definitely get some settlement money for your emotional distress
definitely. good luck op!

>>10444623
> I drive like a maniac
> I act like an asshole
> I know how to deal with cops
> a dozen encounters with the swine brigade
> pulled over probably 20 or 30 times

0/10

>>10444631
>>hole post

Now yours is too.

>>10441984
>>10441986
>>10441994
>>10441998

>cop went to grab me mustering unlawful detainment and unwarranted search and possible seizure

That's when I would have round house kicked the glock from his hand, busted out my gatling gun from my range bag chambered in .416 Rigby and fired until the countryside was dredged out from the amount of bullets I would have expended.

For I am the .416 Rigby killer.

>>10444645
No, that's Zed, he's one of the worst tripfags (not to be concerned with our many tripfriends) on here. Welcome to /k/.

>>10444659

I'm not trying to imply that I'm a bad ass, I'm kind of a schmuck who makes a lot of poor decisions. They've bitten me in the ass plenty of times, but not with the cops. The point, though, is that if you know how to behave then encounters with the '68 All Stars go much more smoothly.

The Dunken Donuts Regulars in Chicago are lazy. They don't want to do they paperwork. They don't want to haul their asses into court and lose a day over someone who got drunk and took a swing at another drunk in a bar or got caught vomiting in a mail box. They sure as hell don't want to show up to court on a minor traffic citation. So you play nice and apologize and "aw shucks I didn't realize I was doing 45 in a 30 and I should have seen that stop sign but I'm late for my anniversary dinner so I understand you gotta give me a ticket but could you please just do it fast so my wife doesn't kill me I promise it won't happen again officer" with a bit of bridgeport in your voice and suddenly you're on your way with a warning.

>>10444668
>Zed, he's one of the worst tripfags
MFW

D':

>>10444750
One of the worst, at least not the worst.

>>10444779

Potentially the worst, since STALKER left.

>>10444787
True, but I think there's a few that could be worse I just can't think of the name off hand.

>>10444779
>>10444787
>>10444807
B-but.... I thought... I thought you liked me??!?!
I mean, we've had so much fun together....

fucking pig


I hope he gets shot in the knee and spends the rest of his career on guard duty

>>10444692
> So you play nice and apologize and "aw shucks I didn't realize"

This wasn't a speeding ticket, it was (so the story goes…) cops behaving
in a clearly illegal manner and not giving two shits about it.

Once the cops jumped up and grabbed a hold of OP, they were detaining
him (legally or not) and he was limited to politely stating his rights and
submitting to the search (which is NOT consenting to the search).

At that point, it becomes an issue for the lawyers to sort out and ranting
and raving about Constitutional law in the parking, lot will only hurt OP's
case.

>>10442694
airports are private property

>>10444827

There comes a point in any interaction with the police where a simple game is played. That game is "Who's the Asshole?" The way you win the game is to not be the asshole. Why? Because unless you're about to get your ass severely beaten nothing will ever go to court. It won't be anything for the lawyer to sort out because the courts don't give a shit, any dick with a badge gets the benefit of the doubt, and lawyers only make money if theres a judgement.

So no, you don't "let the lawyers sort it out," you make a decision. That decision is a simple one "what do I want to happen today?" You can consent to a clearly illegal search and go about your business, you can play nice and maybe go home, or you can escalate the situation knowing that you're unlikely to have a legal recourse unless you run into a cop aggressive enough to seriously hurt you but not so aggressive as to kill you. Those are your only options. They aren't good ones, but they're the reality.

So no, it might not be a speeding ticket, but thats not really the point. The point is the outcome. I wouldn't go to a range with cops sitting out front. I shouldn't have to make that call but, you know, welcome to the real world. If I did go I'd play nice because I don't want a tyrant to shoot me.

>>10444867
There's more to it than that.

See, it's not about 'sacrificing for your freedom'. That's a chumps game. The real deal is in getting OTHER chumps to sacrifice for your freedom.

Hicks, high-school dropouts, inner-cities losers, old men with no money, and other pieces of shit with nothing to lose are prime candidates. You just have to get those guys fired up and looking for a confrontation, then unleash them on the cops.

They all lose, but what else is new? The bottom line is that people who count win. It's the American way!

Man this copy-pasta sure got some traction.

/K/ It's a trollable place

>>10444901

>2012
>not photoshopping a yugo in place of ugly american car in picture

IS IT ILLEGAL TO HAVE A RECORDING DEVICE ON HAND RECORDING YOUR CONVERSATION?

IS IT LEGAL TO USE SAID EVIDENCE IN COURT?

>>10444924
>/K/ It's a trollable place

lol, welcome to the internet.

>>10444943
Not a law fat but I'm fairly certain that if you are a known party to a conversation you are entitled to record the conversation regardless of other parties being aware of you doing so.

>>10444944

Not all boards are created equal. Try /a/ sometime... post a legitimate, thought out and sincere question and you'll get called a troll/shitposter 5-6 times before your post is deleted... all in less than 3 minutes.

>>10442782
Avoid Japanese police AT ALL COSTS! They can be really Gestapo if they think they can pin something on you or if you're a gaijin.

>>10444924
>/K/ It's a trollable place
Technically speaking, we're just watching the trolls perform in a realistic training environment.

well this thread seems about done but
>cops
>caring about anyone's rights
welcome to the real world son. Cops are just legal gangs, like this anon said>>10442012

find a lawyer and sue them for violating your rights

>>10444574
>>10442180
So can we drop the fools idea this is a free country and accept this is a totalitarian fascist nation now? There is no hiding it now, just denying the truth. You have no rights, you have no protections. It all likelyhood, even europe with all its lack of constitution we make fun of them for, now seems to have better 'rights' and protections than any american not part of the system.

And I don't mean the soldiers either, they are just ignorant lackey's and are victims of the system just the same. See : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iLJ8NCEF8&feature=related

Fucking country seems to be far beyond saving. Enjoy the shit country that was stolen from you.