>>8911276
I don't think Kyouko would ever help her employer's competition. Or be allowed to, for that matter.

SATORI CONFIRMED FOR BOOBS

GREATEST NIGHT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT

>>8911409
Oh, yeah forgot about that.
I wonder about a backing band, the image only shows the two of them.
And is that a scanning artifiact or are there really distortion circles radiating from Kyouko's mouth in that photo?

>>8911409
I'm now imagining Kyouko leaving the temple stealthily by the nightfall, black leather clothes and makeup hidden in her backpack, going to the concert, ROCKING THE FUCK OUT, then returning by the morning.

Hijiri notices the bags under the eyes of her follower when they meet next day, but thinks the poor Yamabiko girl is just praying too hard.

Speaking of hard, I just got a hard-on here imagining this. brb.

>>8911438
My prayers have been answered. Now ZUN, Reimu and Sane next to get boobs please.

>>8911438
But still very modest boobs.

>>8911438
And a penis and one leg longer than the other you fucking twat.

>>8911452
Sanae has already been confirmed for flat.
Also, that picture is too lewd.

>>8911452
Sanae

>>8911448
THAT is a cool idea.
The living sound system has found her calling.

>>8911458
O well.

>>8911456
and surprisingly normal length arms.

>>8911441
>are there really distortion circles radiating from Kyouko's mouth in that photo?
it's the power of HEAVY METAL \m/

>>8911438
It's her 2 layers of poofy clothing she's petite

The art is fucking wonderful. ZUN finally managed to hire a good artist.

>>8911501
so I'm not the only one seeing it?
Its not a scanning artifact or a artifact of my monitor, the artist actually drew that in?

Do the new profiles still have threat/human friendship levels?

>>8911529
Yes they do.

>>8911529
threat/human friendship
Shizuha: Low/High
Minoriko: Medium/Very High
Hina: Very High/Medium
Nitori: High/Medium
Sanae: Low/High
Kanako: Low/High
Suwako: Low/Medium
Yamame: High/Very Low
Parsee: Medium/Nothing
Yuugi: Very High/Unknown
Satori: Very High/Nothing
Rin: Low/High
Utsuho: Unknown/Unknown
Koishi: Unknown/Nothing
Nazrin: Medium/Low
Kogasa: Low/High
Ichirin & Unzan: High/High
Murasa: Very High/Low
Shou: Low/Medium
Byakuren: Unknown/Medium
Nue: High/Low
Kyouko: Low/Very High
Yoshika: Very High/Nothing
Seiga: High/Very High (love humans)
Tojiko: Very high/Low
Futo: Low/Unknown
Miko: Low/Very High
Mamizou: High/Very High

>>8911615
Some of those are weird, but then, it's Akyuu + Marisa's opinion, and it's also Touhou.

>>8911615
>Kogasa: Low/High

>>8911615
>Yamame: High/Very Low

Wat.

>>8911615
>Hina: Very High/Medium
huh

>>8911632
cave dwellers aren't terribly hospitable, she's also poisonous.

>>8911632
Gonna eat you.

>Yamame: High/Very Low

So much for friendly cheerful youkai who never uses her power at a whim and is popular at underground parties.

>>8911615
no Momiji or Kisume ;_;

>>8911615
>Satori: Very High/Nothing
>Koishi: Unknown/Nothing

>>8911631
Are you a bad enough villager to protect her from a drunk, angry reimu?

>>8911615
>Satori: Very High/Nothing

>>8911652
I'd protect Kogasa with my heart and soul even if she later tried to surprise me.

>>8911615
Parsee: Medium/Nothing

>>8911643
feels bad man

>>8911641
Doesn't use on Youkai, and at Youkai parties sure. These apply to humans.

>>8911677
More like Akyu knows jack shit about the underground so she just fills it in with unknowns and high threat levels.

>Mamizou: High/Very High

Fuck yeah

>>8911687
>Rin: Low/High
>Utsuho: Unknown/Unknown
I don't even know what's going on here.

>>8911660
>>8911647
It could be "worst."

>Byakuren
>Unknown/Medium

Byakuren confirmed for hidden murderous intentions like in that one doujin.

>>8911687
Akyu, world's greatest liar?

>>8911696

Maybe Okuu's too shy for an interview.

>>8911615
Lies and slander everywhere.

>>8911696
Rin had a tour of the surface world, Akyu probably knows her.

But the rest is literally stuck in there and it's not unlikely that not even Akyu's memory can pull up a good description from bits and pieces from before they were sealed. Hence threat level very high, friendship level unknown. Or maybe they don't want others to explore the giant hole because it's the city of the underground dwellers and not some drow city to raid, so Akyu calls them dangerous to prevent everyone from being a bother.

>>8911632
>>8911640
>>8911641

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE

>>8911705

Byakuren's sketchiness is already pretty well-documented, given it's stated in UFO backstory that she dragged a whole bunch of humans out to sea under the guise of helping them get rid of a pest and then let that same pest sink their ship and drown them all without batting an eye.

Really, "Medium" for her isn't anything we didn't already know.

>>8911615 Hina: Very High/Medium
>Nitori: High/Medium
Eh?

>>8911742
while Hina is weird, Nitori makes sense. I'd consider a massive Gundam chasing you a "High" threat.

>>8911742
Nitori's threat level is high for anyone in water and with an intact liver. Those aren't going to rip themselves out, you know.

I wish we had a sticky for this... Do you guys think it would work?

>>8911742
Curses so keep away, and getting excited and ripping out your assball.

Remember when Hatate saw a kappa drowning a person.

>>8911742
Death by moe is a legitimate threat with those two

>>8911756
I wonder if Gensokyo Kappa's rape maidens like Japanese ones.

>>8911742
Hina seems strange to me but the Kappa are dangerous.

>>8911741
>Byakuren's sketchiness is already pretty well-documented, given it's stated in UFO backstory that she dragged a whole bunch of humans out to sea under the guise of helping them get rid of a pest and then let that same pest sink their ship and drown them all without batting an eye.
Oh god, I didn't even know that.
I'm also surprised at how Kanako is considered friendly. I always figured that Kanako treats human more like a faith resource more than anything.
Even Suwako was described as medium.

>Minoriko: Medium/Very High
It's time to harvest her crops lovingly.

>>8911772
In MoF end Marisa and Kanako got along quite well. Apparently they are quite similar. So even though Kanako is a bit underhanded she's outgoing and cheerful.

She also has canon snake eyes now. Yes!

>Utsuho: Unknown/Unknown

Such a mysterious girl. I'm actually ok with this since she's always been a character with a wide amount of interpretations.

>>8911615
Suwako is such a good girl.

To be honest, I'm kind of afraid of this fanbook.

I will most likely reevaluate most of the view of my most favourite Touhous and I actually like my current one.

>>8911615
>Seiga: High/Very High (love humans)

So she is a big threat to humans but she loves them? Is she tsundere or am I misreading the chart?

>>8911825
>fanbook

>>8911825
Man up.

>>8911831
A book for fans.

>>8911829
She steals and does wicked things, but still loves humanity.

>>8911825
Who would that be?

I'm kind of in luck, most of my favourites are from the first nine games, so I don't have to worry about that. Although I really would have liked to see Iku have a profile in this one, there really isn't enough info on her as of now.

>>8911829
She loves human.
But she still can blast your fucking head off.

Kyoko for example, not so much

>>8911829
Maybe an overpowered, prideful woman? Everything goes fine until something makes her upset and she sends her zombie.

>>8911829
A friendly necromancer is still a necromancer

>>8911825
Just because this book might change some of your character's canon personalities, there's no reason that you have to respect those as concrete fact. If you don't like part of the canon, just ignore it.
The whole point of fantasy is to be something you like. So why follow set rules ?

>>8911825
I'm a bit upset that they gave my favorite touhou no bloomers.

>>8911889
Wasn't ZUN a big proponent of "it's up to you in the end" kind of thinking, anyway?

Will Tokiko be in it?

>Satori: Very High/Nothing
>Very High
Oh, yeah fucking right. I can't wait to hear the reasoning behind this.

>>8911889
Canon is canon anon. You may make little fantasys of how you wished the characters were.
Although it will always be fact that they aren't like the way you imagine.

>>8911615
>Futo: Low/Unknown
Har.

>>8911908
Mind reading has the potential to fuck anyone's shit up.

Yeah, a lot of characters and stuff, a very interesting book (really) but...

NO TENSHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8911908
do you want your deepest secrets and sexual desires for Satori's delicious loins to be revealed?

>>8911932
fightan gaem aren't real 2hu

No Ranko or Maribel...

>>8911929
I'm disappointed at the lack of Tenshi and Iku as well. Fucking love those two.

Why is Okuu the ONLY unknown/unknown???

>>8911943
Aside of Reimu and Marisa, she probably doesn't even know that other humans exist. And she probably never met them, even if she knows about their existence, since she's jailed to Former Hell until forever.

>>8911946
I've been infrequently visiting /jp/ for two years and have never seen one until now.

>>8911946
I think the last one was for C81

>>8911951
>other
?

>>8911940
Tenshi's my fav character, so I'm a bit disappointed... Suika had a profile in PMiSS...
Well... The girls that didn't appear have an small text in the afterword (as I see), so it isn't a "they aren't, ok!"

A full translation wanted, of course.

>>8911951
Shes' met plenty of dead ones

>>8911943
She is a ditz. As you should know, she is a hotheaded moron that means no harm besides her grand plans of igniting the surface to revive old hell.

>>8911923
>>8911932
Save it. Satori is as dangerous as Remilia and FLANDRE? As dangerous as Yamame and Yuugi? As dangerous as fucking YUYUKO!?
I don't buy it, not even for a second.

Did... did /jp/ just get an sticky? And an on-topic one at that...

>>8911615
>Tojiko: Very high/Low
So what does this actually mean? I refuse to believe Tojiko has a high "power level"

>>8911975
I wonder if the list is not based on not only potential, but willingness to cause damage? Her fucking cat eats corpses (even if said cat might, say, also like to sit on some villager lap and the occasional belly rub).

For example, Byakuren is "neutral", but I can easily see her turning people inside out if her precious youkai are threatened.

>>8911988
She dislikes you and will spam zigyzaggy arrows at you.

>>8911975 Well, even YUKARI in SA feared Satori because she's a underground youkai. And not a normal one, she's the master of the Palace of the Earth Spirits, so I think she's dangerous.

>>8911943
>her grand plans of igniting the surface to revive old hell.

You would think that if she was still planning that though that would at least be a good indication of her threat level.

>>8911994
Potential, I think.

>>8911999
I don't know how well we can trust Yukari, but wouldn't she fear a mind reader because she has things to hide? She is a schemer, after all.

>>8911999
But didn't ZUN say in the description of her theme that fighting isn't her strongest? She might be a good strategist, and what if she can shatter the mind of people? I wouldn't be surprised, since she can read others minds. And also, if she's the master of the palace, maybe the reason why she's dangerous is because of how much power she has in her hands, and not her real powerlevel, if you get what I mean.

>>8912006
Maybe her reasoning was "If I revive old hell, will Miss Satori be pleased? Maybe she might give me an extra treat.".

She is, after all, a pet. Not actually malevolent, just bird brained.

Here's a thought; Akyuu is one of those racist humans that Satori lives underground to avoid. She does have a pretty long/deep mind to read, after all.

>>8912025
Satori is supposed to have many, many pets. Two of them are a hell cat and a hell raven, both very potent on their own. What if her other pets are just as strong, and even worse, very loyal?

She might just overpower most people by blowing a whistle.

>>8912040
Here's another thought: Akyu is pulling this stuff out of her ass.

>>8912045
it's not her fault that she's never had a chance to meet most of them.

>>8912006
>>8912032
She only had those plans when she Yatagarasu drove her berserk. I THINK she's sense calmed down. Maybe that's why it's unknown; most of our experience with her is from when she was not herself. Maybe.
Translations can't come soon enough.

>>8912025
Yeah, I get it, but reading someone's mind give her a real advantage because she could anticipate to her opponent. But, yes, she's dangerous, but no as Yuyuko or Flandre, for example.

>>8912044
I doubt that's it. Kanako/Suwako have Youkai Mountain loyal to and worshiping them, yet their threat level is low.

>>8912032

If I recall correctly I believe that actually WAS her reasoning.

Also It sounds like too many people are using "threat to humans" as an indication for power-levels. I really don't think that's the case at all. Satori is probably ranked so high as a threat because of what >>8912044 mentioned, despite her actual combat ability being very low. She is the underground overseer, after all.

>>8911913
And who cares if I'm "Wrong?" What do I have to lose from my interpretation of my favorite character being different from yours?
That doesn't mean that just because the "facts" about my character are different than what I'd prefer that I have to restrict myself to what ZUN says.
I agree that just because I imagine my character how I'd like doesn't change how she acts in the games, but I don't see how that matters.

>>8911889
>>8911902

While yes, these are true, there's an area that people don't really see when you're talking about what's canon and what isn't. ZUN making a new book doesn't "change" canon personalities unless something is explicitly retconned; they are simply all canon and the new book expands on what was previously known. Having something "changed" is completely on the part of what was generally accepted by the fandom and is just now being written off. In addition, you sort of do have to respect new developments as concrete fact, outside of the ambiguity and subjectiveness of being recorded by characters rather than a story unfolding for the viewer. However, you're good on the last part: if you don't like a new development in canon and you want to stick to what you appreciated previously, then by all means go for it. When describing Gensokyo as it is for you, in your universe, whether it be written down or is just in your mind, you're free to take as many liberties as you want. What is accepted by other people depends entirely on what those people think, which can also be different from what is canon. As canon expands, the more fans acknowledge it as truth, so how your Gensokyo is accepted by others does depend on canon elements, but in no way is it completely constrained. As I mentioned though, despite your ability to arrange Gensokyo as you please, you do have to respect canon as canon as canon: as fact, to the extent possible. It's certainly "up to you in the end" and those creative liberties is why Touhou is so popular in the first place, but acknowledge that there's a difference between respecting canon as canon and being able to take creative liberties with what is presented.

>>8912070
These gods love humanity. Sure, they can smite you, but you are but a flicker in eternity. In other words, they are not spiteful gods, or at least not easily offended.

Besides, they are gods that bring good weather and fertility. They would be able to hurt humans by NOT DOING ANYTHING. See how it works?

>>8912098
Human friendship level and threat level are two different categories.
It's not about what they would, it's about what they COULD.

>>8912084
Hey at least you didn't get butt hurt and start a bitch fit and I respect that.
Admitting and accepting the truth is what will keep you a true touhou fan.

>>8912109
But that means Tojiko is one of the EX-tier touhous now

>>8912084
It is simply a matter of finding something to argue about. People who need self gratification and assurance to fuel their egoistic narcissism like to argue with others for that reason. Thus, they find that the canon Touhou grounds are for that, but it always bothers me when they leave the canon grounds and start trying to "correct" the fanon area. Anyway, the right thing to do is ignore them and take the importance of canon in your own scope; to the degree that you are most comfortable with. Of course ignoring the large basic canon facts on which the majority of the fanon develops on is not recommended. It just gets annoying (once again) when "canon crusaders" blow aspie gaskets on the most minute inconsistencies.

>>8912109
For Hina her ability means she's VERY dangerous if driven to fight because of the Curses she possesses.

Also being around her too long tends to lead to BAD THINGS happening so having her being friendly but dangerous isn't that implausible.

Similarly With Satori's danger rating justification is that if you drive her enough you can't escape or effectively counter as she knows what you're going to do just as you think it. Just like dealing with Psycho Mantis and sorry you can't change controller slots in real life.

Yamame's ability is yet another one that makes her dangerous and she might just hold a grudge (resulting in a lower friendship rating). With other youkai she might be fine but we'll find out more later on.

Also WTF is with the Nothing marks. Is it that they actively avoid human interaction or are openly hostile.

>>8911522

It looks like it. Very cool thing to notice.

>>8912179
Parsee does not strike as someone who is trustworthy or that trusts other people. Hell, I doubt she even gets along with anybody, just being in her bridge cursing under her breath as she looks at people happier than her pass by.

Yamame might be aware of her ability, and just by being close to people she might bring disease. Maybe she is just being polite?

>>8912179
>Also WTF is with the Nothing marks. Is it that they actively avoid human interaction or are openly hostile.
My impression was openly hostile, considering the people who have that mark.

>>8912179
>Also WTF is with the Nothing marks. Is it that they actively avoid human interaction or are openly hostile.
They feel no emotion at all towards humans, I suppose.

>>8911951

You know, Utsuho manages the nuclear reactor Suwako uses to power the Hisoutensoku in 12.3.

Also, she fights Sanae and Cirno.

>>8912213
I've always saw Parsee as someone who is unfriendly to everyone too.

But I like my touhous to be care-free and loving ):

>>8911377
Anyone else not know what this is?

>>8912169
I'm pretty sure you're vastly misrepresenting these people. Grouping everyone who discusses and argues about canon elements into "they're argumentative narcissistic wieners" is just as pointlessly aggressive as the arguments you're describing. On /jp/ sure there are morons like you describe, but only just as much as people who parade around as if things they made up are canon. There would be no reason to argue with people when there are indeed clear sources of canon, unless the other party is trying to pass their ideas off as canonical. There are situations where you get direct interpretations of canon conflicting with other direct interpretations, but those are pretty isolated and aren't nearly as retarded. If a person is trying to use their imagined Gensokyo as grounds to make a solid claim, then yes that's grounds for a correction. Using their imagined Gensokyo as an ideal or a fanwork or something like that doesn't need correction at all, but you're saying that these things are the majority of what "canon crusaders" attack, which is silly. Discrediting everyone as eager assholes because of a select few you might find on /jp/ of all places seems like a really odd blanket statement to make.

>>8911615
>Kanako: Low/High
Neat

>>8912227
I'm pretty sure that it was ambiguously implied that Sanae was dreaming/knocked out for a portion of her route. I didn't remember exactly why, because I hate her guts and only played her route for delicious Suwako, but I'm pretty sure someone K.O.ed her, and Suwacky dragged her back. Might just be me having a hazy memory, so don't yell at me plz.

Also, I'm quite upset that Nue has such bad relations with humans, and Nitori. You'd think that with that high of a threat level, there would be more negative connotations around our lovable Kappa, but I've rarely seen anyone depict her showing any negative emotions, and it seems she actually CARES about humans, since she wanted to protect Marisa and Reimu by scaring them off. As did Hina.

Y'know, I'm just going to completely ignore anything Akyu has to say on those 2hus that humans would normally fear. She's obviously biased as fuck, as there is no way Satori would have a high threat level. Being able to read minds is cool and all, but people who have control over themselves, and of their minds, are practically immune to her power. Plus, being able to read minds is cool and all, but how is a frail little girl with external arteries going to kill a human? Assuming the worst, you just flying tackle her, while clearing your mind, and crush her third eye. She isn't the Satori that is able to read your sub= conscious, so as long as you are smart about it, she shouldn't pose more of a threat than Chen, by herself.

Nitori confirmed for ass burglar since double spoiler, her being a threat is hardly news

>>8912345

I don't remember any of that. But even if she was dreaming, if Utsuho was in her dreams it implies they knew each other somehow.

Nobody said befriending or romancing a youkai would be easy

>>8912345
Drowning is a very dangerous thing

Medium Friendship could EASILY be because she's not that good with human interaction and does things that could be seen as unfriendly because she's jumpy.

Satori's degree of danger as previously stated is mindreading.

>>8912376
Mind reading isn't dangerous.

>>8912345
No idea where you're getting that Sanae thing from. She was conscious the whole way through; Meiling was the one who was out cold for her route.

>>8912345
Continuing: I would assume Akyu also distrusts some other 2hus, which is why she gave them the score she did.

>Rin
This is acceptable. She is pretty fucking strong, and has the ability to morph from cat to sexy cat lady at will. She is also very loyal, and cares about others.

>Kanako
I never really thought of her that way. I just imagined her sitting around the mountain fucking with things for shits and giggles, but I do suppose that's more of a Suika/Tenshi thing (still butt devastated that ZUN never included her).

>Nue
Ehhhh, you would think she likes humans as much as she likes scaring them. But I do suppose she didn't treat Marisa/Reimu very kindly, and they probably tattle-taled on her, and, along with previous recollections of her, Akyu just called her the fucking devil and let it be.

>Yuugi
I don't think she is overly dangerous. Yeah, she could fucking crush your skull into oblivion, but she doesn't seem like the type of person to be doing that too often. Probably just fear of onis/unknown.

>Koishi
Of fucking course ;-;

>>8912365
Perhaps. Maybe she learned about Utsuho from what Marisa/Reimu told her, or she went with Kanako underground to see her in the first place. Sanae's goddesses do seem to like to fuck around with literally everything they can.

>>8912376
I'd like to imagine she doesn't drown people. The way she acted in MoF doesn't show any signs of hostility towards humans, it's just that she didn't know how to interact with them very well. Also, she wasn't very hostile in SA either. Maybe Akyu just heard some shit about Nitori from the Tengu serial-harassers and jotted it down as absolute fact, or maybe Nitori just put on a facade when dealing with Marisa and Reimu because she knew she would get her ass-obliterated otherwise.

Captcha: advice, iceDosi

>>8912392
Nue's whole existence is about fucking with humans and giving them terrible nightmares. And she got hunted and sealed by them. Seems pretty natural that she doesn't want to socialize with them or whatever it means.

>>8911615
>Yuugi: Very High/Unknown

I guess I'm ok with this.
No doubt that she could pound a human into mush.
I guess we can just choose whether or not she would want to though in the first place. She never seemed malicious to me, I doubt she would attack random, defenseless humans humans.

>>8912392
Or Hell Yuugi's danger is that she might actually give you a friendly shoulder slap and leave you in traction

Unknown Human friendship as Akyuu couldn't tell if it was the booze talking or Yuugi's nature

>>8912369
This shows that not all touhous are just some happy go lucky lolis that want dicks and sex.

>>8912413
Violent people friendship level: very high

>Rin: Low/High

>>8912439

>>8912451
Bastard.

>>8912410
Didn't she seal herself up because she was getting bored or something? Might just me having a hazy memory of the actual games, since I didn't really pay attention to the story when I was busy psyching myself up for another long and arduous fight.

>>8912419
Might just be it. Suika and Yuuka, though, seem to be able to control their power to the point where they don't instantly obliterate whatever the accidentally hit with the back of their hands, so I'm assuming Yuugi is the same. Since her and Suika always seem to be drunk, I'd assume they don't have gigantic mood swings, and behave the way they always behave. It's not like either one of them really fear anyone. They're both powerful enough to beat most other 2hus in a fight, especially if you take Yuugi's ability to be "I'm going to cock block you of everything BUT your innate power", meaning that Yukari can't portal.

>>8912413
Same here. I don't even think Yuuka is that malicious, I just think she tends to be misunderstood and grumpy. All it would take is ONE bad encounter with a youkai who doesn't get around much, and their entire reputation is ruined, as no one but Marisa/Reimu/Sanae, or any other final/extra stage boss would ever think of approaching them. All it would take is one misinterpreted photo of Nitori saving a drowning victim, Yamame killing someone out of self defense, or someone getting struck by lightning while Iku was trying to protect them, and they would be forever ruined. That's one of the reasons why Aya/Hatate should get curbstomped, and they probably would if they ever offended someone like Nue or Yukari.

Why are people making a big deal of of Rin's supposed tails now of all times?

It was never there in the first place.

>>8912463
No, Nue was shot by some Japanese hero and sealed away when she tried to mess with the emperor.

>>8911615
>Nitori: High/Medium

Fair enough. Kappa technology isn't something that should be taken lightly. And while it would be nice she had a higher human friendship level, her inability to socialize with them due to shyness justifies it.

But anyway, most annotations made by Akyu shall be taken with some doubt, and I recall she said it so in PMiSS.

You know I'm just going to wait for translations of the text before I think about this any more.

Oh hey a sticky.

threat level has never really meant anything anyway, Gensokyo is a safe place full of responsible youkai

>>8912463
I don't see Yuuka as malicious either.
I'm pretty sure she trades with humans occasionally and such.

Her being grumpy as a character trait always made sense to me. If a witch broke into my house while I am sleeping and tried to steal my powers, I'd be grumpy too.

>>8912485
I doubt she would shoot up a human without proper aggravation first. I doubt ANY 2hu would, except for maybe Lily, but srsly guise. Even though Yuuka is seen as some kind of demon that, if she catches you, will go for your jugular, there isn't much evidence to back that up. Maybe there were a couple of bad encounters with Yuuka, but if someone came running into your gigantic garden that you spent years working on, and started fucking with literally everything, wouldn't you attack them? It's likely that the stronger youkai are really about as aggressive as the weaker ones, it's just that they don't know how much they have to limit their powers to incapacitate a human without killing them. It's likely that Yuuka is so powerful it's either kill or nil.

>>8912503
I'm waiting for a translation as well, but I still intend to discuss it. I've had discussions like this with many people over the past 2 years, and they always end up beneficial to both parties.

>>8912503

Partial translations are up in the wiki

>>8911377
Kyouko and Mystia's rock act is a miracle of the universe.
So is Kogasa's absence of bloomers. I'd let Kogasa fly over me and surprise me all day long.

>>8912524
>>8912520
Shit nigger, we had the same idea.

But yeah, I imagine that Yuuka used to/does trade with humans every now and then. She is the de facto expert on plant life, and she probably does good business with, at the very least, Eirin and Marisa. She probably also trades with the Myouren temple, and roughs up some of the youkai, that are acting like total cunts, in the area. She was a playable character, once upon a time, so I would imagine she is actually very nice, but happens to be /v/ incarnate with the ability to dislocate people's heads with a back-hand.

Anyways, why is Murasa so dangerous too? I always thought that living with Byakuren would've changed her opinions of humans, and living in Gensokyo would make her power practically useless. Unless her power is to be taken literally, and that she can sink not only ships, but anything that ends with -ship, but that would be taking her power way too far, and would be stretching it, so I doubt that's it.

>>8911988
>>8911998
>>8912109
>>8912159

Of course Tojiko is EX-Tier, she's the wife of a Stage 6 boss.

You don't fuck with Japanese wives. Not even the husbands dare fuck with them.

>>8912556
Maybe she's got other Sailor Traits....

>>8912556
She probably uses her anchor to beat the shit out people.

>>8912568
You'd think being a ghost for 1,000 years would make you lose some of those traits, but being a vengeful spirit could also make you develop some... nasty traits as well. I still like to imagine that Murasa is just anti-social as all fuck, and she just gets a bad press because of the shit she did 1,000 years ago. Perhaps the crow-tengu caught her killing a thief or something. Who knows?

Damn, Koishi's is pretty sad. I want to unread it.

>>8912556
>I always thought that living with Byakuren would've changed her opinions of humans

Byakuren hates humans.

>>8912588
Byakuren IS a human. That's what I was getting at there.

>>8912556
>I always thought that living with Byakuren would've changed her opinions of humans

This implies that Byakuren has a high opinion of humans.

It's actually kind of confusing to consider that the Myourenites set up shop so close to the human village, given Ichirin seems to be the only one that gives a proper toss about humans and multiple members actively dislike them.

>>8912593
A human who hates humans, which Murasa would presumably pick up on.

>>8912556
Sinking ships is pretty dangerous if you like being out on the sea.

>>8912593

When they first me, Byakuren was a human that showed her kindness while letting her sink a shipful of humans that wanted to kill her. That probably colored her opinion of Byakuren a bit.

>>8912585
Although honestly the thought of her singing badly and swearing like a sailor would be amusing as hell

Poor Hina. Her profile says that she's cheerful and personable, but barely anyone talks to her because they don't want to get cursed. None of which is really new, but it still feels bad reading it.

>>8912556
>sink not only ships, but anything that ends with -ship
What ends with -ship in Japanese?

>>8912587
In a land full of youkai, Koishi is the first one to get an actually eerie existance. Made me think on this:

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/ykk-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+01&page=45

>>8912610
I'd imagine all 2hus swear at one point or another. I doubt even Byakuren, Shou, Toyosatomimi, or Reimu are reserved enough to not ever utter a single swear word.

>>8912618
I don't exactly know. Even though I browse /jp/ as much as I browse /v/, I never had the drive to learn moon runes. I was, though, referring to how some people could possibly stretch her ability to stretch to relationships and the sort. She's one of those 2hus who never really has her ability expanded on ever. It's just brought up once, and never mentioned again, just like Yuugi's ability.

>>8912633
There are no swear words in Japanese.

>>8912618
I know, not really

>>8912658
Get a load of this nerd.

>Utsuho: Unknown/Unknown

This seriously better not be laziness on ZUN's part because he doesn't know what to do with her.

>>8912625
I'm crying, Jack. I really am ;-;

I've already thought about all the shit Koishi went through to hell and back, but it's still sad. Koishi has the most depressing backstory of ANY 2hu. Seriously, nothing even compares. Hina might come close, and maybe Yuuka if you see her as actually kind-hearted and lonely because people are afraid of her, but nothing else can match. It's chilling to think that you will never be accepted, because no matter what you do, people will shun you. It might take generations before they even begin really trusting you again.

>>8912658
>Implying
>Implying
>Implying
Hasn't swear words just come to mean words that prudes don't like hearing? In certain cultures, God, Gods, and Goddesses are swear words, especially ultra-conservative-Christian households.

>>8912587
Is it translated yet?

>>8912681
Only very crude translations so far.

Accuracy unknown

>>8912684
Where can I find them?

>>8912677
Oh, but c'mon, Mokou's entire family got fucking brought to shame because of Kaguya, and Mokou had to deal with being completely alone for hundreds of years. Not only that, but she eventually met the person she hated the most. As much as I love Koishi (She's my second favorite 2hu, behind Nue), I really think that Mokou suffered much more.

>>8912687
Besides the fact the both she and her hated enemy are both immortal, which means that everyone and everything will fade away, except the one she hates the most.

What's this nonsense about Mokou hating Kaguya? They are clearly in love with each other.

>>8912697

>>8912697

Hey.

Cut it out.

>>8912667
As I see it, when she ate Yatagarasu and gained the powers of nuclear fission and went a bit crazy, she was very dangerous and unfriendly.
But normally, she would be a rather low threat and friendly to humans.
So she can be a mixed bag.

Regardless of it all, Orin is Low/High, so I figure that Okuu should be as well, if not just from copying Orin.

>>8912687
You know why they were brought to shame? Because they lacked enough common sense to leave Kaguya the fuck alone. Yeah, she lost her entire family, but at least she can still interact with humans, and does. Koishi used to live in fucking hell because her and her sister were ostracized from the human village, and I doubt if any of them are willing to recant and give Koishi a chance. The only human interaction Koishi will ever have for 60 or so years will be with Marisa and Reimu, and even they might die (if Marisa decides she wants to not increase her lifespan). Keine is going to live much, much longer than Marisa and Reimu, and Mokou doesn't have to deal with having a cranky sister all the damned time.

I love Mokou as much as the next guy, but you'd be deluding yourself to believe Mokou has it nearly as rough. In fact, knowing that you can kick the shit out of your enemy for eternity is a BONUS for her. Koishi doesn't get very many bonuses to start with.

>>8912661
Kaguya and Mokou have by definition the most tragic stories, EVER. They have to stay alive after the Sun becomes a red giant and scorches Earth to a crisp, after the galaxies die, until the protons decay.

When discussing tragic stories, you can just skip the hourai immortals and discuss the next ones in line.

As for Koishi, this is the reality I choose to believe.

>>8912737
This tragedy is elegantly avoided because Kaguya has power over eternity, she can keep the universe functioning just fine as long as she likes.

>>8912734
I guess it makes sense. But you look like you actually know about Koishi's profile. Could you tell us about it? ;_;

>>8912687
>>8912691
>>8912734
I always saw Mokou's feud as childish.
I figure that after all those years, one would eventually forgive and forget. I feel that this should be the outcome, but that's not Mokou's style. But such a thing shall only bring pain.

To make one's entire life and continued existence to be about the hatred of another seems like something.... A youkai would be born from.

>>8912524
>I doubt she would shoot up a human without proper aggravation first.
Of course, but it is another theme since this would be self-defense or retaliation.

>I doubt ANY Touhou would, except for maybe Lily.
Lily White? Albeit she does it in PoFV, it was just a mean to anounce spring and she didn't with ill-intentions.

I, like you, >>8912556 and >>8912520, don't think Yuuka is deliberately evil. She could be kind of bigot towards humans and some youkai due to their weakness thus not caring about them, but she has no qualms to talk to them if she is not provoked, and if she was, there's a chance you might talk to her and avoid confrontation given the circumstances. This can be backed by her politeness due to being a strong and experienced youkai, instances where she goes to the village and trade and she only fights against strong opponents and is not interested in easy/boring battles, all of this stated in PMiSS. Also, it's stated she tends to lie a lot (PoFV), which could have an effect on how she is seen.

Just be respectful towards her -or any strong- youkai and don't try too hard, then things can go fine.

>>8912724

I hope you're right. I want my Okuu to be the loving and friendly little bird I've always envisioned her as.

>>8912737
The reality is is that her situation was so much worse than the hourai women that she inflicted physical harm onto herself so she would be at least a little bit more respected. She had it so bad that she went insane. Kaguya and Mokou are both as sane as ever, because neither of them have to deal with being ostracized. Mokou can socialize with humans, Keine, and other inhabitants of the Bamboo Forest, and Kaguya has Eirin, the moon bunny, and the Earth Bunnies, and she can get visitors from the moon, as shown by the Moon ladies coming down to see her.

>>8912750
Basically, Satori and Koishi, once upon a time, lived with humans. Every day they had to deal with intense hate crimes the likes of which Jews and Blacks have never even thought possible, and were on the verge of being publicly lynched and killed. That's when Satori moved them to old hell, and that's where they took up residene. From then until now, the only interaction Koishi has had with anyone is with her sister, corpses, and her pets. Eventually she went insane from all of that bull shit, and closed her third eye, which would cause her to lose the ability to read minds. Little did Koishi, or anyone else, really, know, closing her third eye gave her an even more horrific power, and caused her to become an emotional carcass. Everyone still fears her and her sister, and no one wants anything to do with them. Not even Marisa is carefree enough to actively seek them out, or even talk to them in passing.

>>8912758
I have no words for this shit...

>>8912753
She was nobility, these things are a big deal to them.

Besides, it's a cycle. Since they keep beating the shit out of each other, and they seem to enjoy doing it, both Kaguya and Mokou seem to be unwilling to break the cycle.

Maybe if they stopped fighting, they would forget about each other, after all they have all the time in the world to do so. But as I said, neither Mokou nor Kaguya seems to want to bring and end to this.

>>8912758
Okuu can be many things brother, but the true Utsuho is only one and she's fucking nuclear.

>>8912770
Wow, Satori's hate for humans really make sense now.

>>8912773

What's the problem with that interpretation? We literally know next to nothing about her personality after SA.

>>8912753

Well I could be remembering wrong, but isn't their whole feud basically just for shits and giggles by the time IN rolls around?

They seem to treat it more like just a means to pass the time some.

>>8912787
We aren't forcing a fucking mindset, but we aren't saying lions are pussies either.

>>8912786
She has the right to outright hate people, unlike some other human hating 2hus. I do wish, though, that both parties could partially forget the animus that went on between them, at least a tiny bit, but I doubt Satori would ever forgive them. That's why she even shows hostility towards Marisa and Reimu in SA, but I do suppose that could also be attributed to them barging into her mansion and shooting the place up. That seems to aggravate people quite a bit these days. However, I don't think living in Hell is all that bad if you're a human, as you get to live with pic related, but we have no idea how long Koishi has suffered. I doubt they are much younger than Yuyuko, and they might possibly be as old as the mountain goddesses.

>>8912790
That's basically what I imagine. Mokou is reasonable are well-adjusted enough to not be carrying on the feud out of pure spite, even after all of those years. Maybe some remnant of their past animosity still resides within both of them, but I'd imagine that they would make a good pair if they ever had to join a team event. I think that they actually really enjoy dueling with eachother, because, to them, a good danmaku fight every now and then is fun, and they don't duel just to fuck each other up.

>>8912801

Wait, are you comparing Okuu to a lion? Or am I completely misunderstanding you?

>>8912829
I'm sure as hell can't imagine Mokou and Kaguya being "friends", but with given time, I guess they could grow at least to respect each other as rivals, or some shit like that.

>>8912838
Nah, he's just lyin' to ya.

>>8912838
Okuu is a hellravenlion. Gaoo.

>>8912838
nigga please

>>8912844
They may as well get to like each other, because they'll be spending eternity together.

no panties kogasa is canon

>>8912844
>>8912855
Double dubs.

Anyways, I was getting at the fact that they don't outright hate each other any more. Sure, they might never become friends, but I can see them actually enjoying each other's company out of sport. They have an eternity to work out their differences, so there isn't a limit to what they could work out.

>>8912849
>>8912845

i'm being serious guys!

>>8912770
Wait, what? I read both Satori and Koishi's profiles and didn't see anything about horrific hate crimes, just that they retreated to Old Hell because humans and youkai were unfriendly towards them. Am I missing something?

Their story is still pretty tragic, though.

>>8912875
You don't look like you are being serious though. That's what came to mind, I was trying to do a pussy mention so I used a lion as a reference.

>>8912858
So she's a fundoshi kinda gal.

Bueno

Best Photobomb or Bestest Photobomb?

>>8912858
The biggest surprise she could give to someone

>>8912904
Kisume is still cute and small, though.

>>8912889
It's him SUPAR exaggerating (or getting a different translator)

Also WTF captcha stop giving me rel world images to figure out

>>8912886
>>8912872
I wasn't trying to derail into a dub thread. Stop this at once.

>>8912889
That's pretty much the gist of it. Both of them are tough enough to put up with intense hate, but what would really cause them to have to move under ground? Yuuka suffers from intense hate, and she lives above ground. So does Nue. What other reason, besides physical danger, would cause them to actually get the fuck out? It just seems logical that humans of the time would try and get rid of them. This is why I'm hoping for more elaboration of exactly what they went through with SoPM.

>>8912920
Nigger, you have it easy. Captcha is giving me pictures of doors, without any numbers or letters on them.

>>8912858

>>8912894

I just wanted to hear what your interpretation was of her on contraire to >>8912758 if you're the same poster as >>8912773. But I just wanted to make sure I wasn't mistakenly taking your words too literally.

>>8912925
Pics or GTFO

Also on the sisters perhaps they would be getting a chance to have some administrative say or the Yama wanted em. And you don't say NO to a Yama giving you a direct order

>>8912468
Have you played SA?

>>8912919
Cute, small, sporting a shit-eating grin and photobombing motherfucking Yukari Yakumo, of all beings.

My first level midboss can't be this troll.

>>8912939
I'll post a pic of one when I get one. Usually I just type the actual word needed for captcha to authenticate the post and move on.

Yama wouldn't put them in old hell, and you'd think something as major as Shikieiki talking to them would've been brought up at one point or another in Subterranean Animism. I seriously doubt that anyone governs Satori, and it's plausible that even the Yama herself fears Satori/Koishi. Being the judge of hell (new hell, not old one) doesn't exempt you from wanting to avoid beings who could read your mind/control your subconscious.

>>8912938
I see Utsuho as she is, that's why I liked her in the first place. But I am not going to force someone to think about Utsuho in a certain way even if it's the opposite of Utsuho's nuclearity.

>>8912858
>>8912936
Canon lewd

it's probably more along the lines of them moving to avoid trouble long before it escalated to hate crimes. if you could read minds you would avoid these things.

everything past "they moved because they were a bother" is open to interpretation, though.

The bigger threat they are the bigger challenge it is to become friends with them. I like that challenge

>>8913021
So does Reimu.

>>8913025
I don't think Reimu really gives a fuck about youkai. Marisa would be the one you're looking for.

>>8912981
>Canon lewd

You act like you're surprised.

>>8913033
Stop that.

>>8913029
I think you're wrong. If she didn't she wouldn't befriend them. I can already tell we wont see eye to eye. Discussion over.

I bet Nitori has a canon lewd butt. I'd steal her ass ball if you know what I'm thinking.

>>8912858
Since she feeds on surprise, do you think she's showing those lewd bare legs and jumping that way on purpose? That would make Kogasa the first Touhou officially using sex appeal to survive.

>>8913056
Stop that, Kogasa is not lewd.

>>8913060
Kogasa's profile picture is objectively lewd.

Heck, I realized I just fapped to Touhou official material. I never thought this day would come.

>>8913037
She's reacting to her friendship/threat levels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKFORPJFMxc

>>8913080
Good, work your way up to ZUN art.

>>8913131
CHIYURI NOOOOOO!
WHAT HAVE I DONE?!

>>8913041
You'd never get close enough to her to manage that in the first place.

Where the hell are all these people coming from? It's as if /a/ and /v/ invade the place every time there's a new Touhou release.

>fanbook

>>8911377
I wonder how that circle that was doing that series where Moku was trying to date Mystia are going to handle this?

>>8913250
Because those are the most popular ones outside the fandom. Or the only ones people have heard of, for that matter.

>>8913250
Ehhh, we know Murasa quite well, because I frequent both /v/ and /jp/, and I figured she'd be one of the 2hus /v/ would find most acceptable. They also know Marisa quite well, but most of them only know her as Get-out-of-/jp/-tan.

>>8913263
Damn. I have friends who come from Astoria. I wonder if they know Tokiko in real life. They tell me everyone who lives there knows everyone...

>>8913257

Uhh. If you're referring to Mitsumoto's Night Sparrow Love, that series ended almost a year ago.

Took like 2 years to finish besides.

>>8913333
You fucker. Don't encourage this shit, even if you get quads.

Anyways, what's the Shou article gonna contain? Shou is so forgotten it isn't even funny.

>>8913357
Ourselves, Aya, and Sanae.

I wish the moon runes weren't in such small font. I want to translate Hina's.

The picture leaves me worried that she's less friendly than previously supposed; or maybe she's come to terms with her isolation and doesn't care about keeping that smile on her face.

>>8913380
Maybe she is sad because she is lonely

>>8913389
Maybe she's sad because Nitori got a bad rating and drowned herself.

>>8913366

>Aya

what? /jp/ fucking loves Aya.

>>8913389
She looks more pissed than sad, though.
Maybe you're right.

>>8913402
Not after she caused Nitori to get a bad score through her slander, which led to Nitori drowning herself, and causing Hina to spiral into agonizing depression, and making her curse everyone not in Gensokyo so that they may never set foot in the holy land again.

>>8913409

She looks pretty normal to me. Doesn't strike me as being angry or sad.

I'm starting to not care anymore, It's nice that ZUN is filling out some of the newer cast but I pretty much hate 90% of the characters on that list, I wish he'd fill out the old ones more first there's still a lot of ambiguous things about them left unanswered.

>>8913422
He will probably eventually get to it. Cant be to picky.

>>8913422
The only old ones really worth elaborating more on are Keine, Medicine, the Prismrivers, Yuka, Shikieiki, Komachi, Iku, and Tenshi, but I suppose the last ones aren't exactly 'old'. He already elaborated enough on the Eintei cast, and we don't need any more EosD comebacks. They already got the spotlight enough. Alice has been in several recent games to boot, as have have the rest of the PCB cast, minus the Prismrivers, Letty, and Lily.

>>8913095

>>8913464
I wish that sort of art were more common

>>8913435

Okay...

>>8913528
Whats being discussed in here isn't a new touhou game.

>>8913531
George Lucas, from his dance party with Han Solo.

>>8913538
I think you had an interpretation problem, friend. I said /v/ was busy discussing info on new gaems, such as the next Smash brothers.

>>8913528

I frankly think they all need to be expanded on. The problem is that they're so overexposed (sans Flandre and Meiling), that everyone would just groan at the sight of more SDM crowd content. It's an annoying situation where I can only expect disappointment.

As for Meiling not being "interesting enough", well no shit, she's practically non-existent as a character.

>>8913566
I'd be much more interested in one shoes Kisume wears if any, than anything about China.

>>8913581
what, not one. I don't know how I did that.

>>8913548
/v/ is too busy screaming viral and posting gay porn to play video games.

>>8913566
I think the underused characters from the older games need to be brought forward again, but I can't imagine a good way to do it without the overuse of the popular ones like you said.
Especially since I imagine it would lead to cries of "why isn't X Touhou in this?!"

But...but...why!?
Her era...her fans...

>>8913566
I don't believe they need to, though, as every single one of them, minus Rumia and Flandre, have returned at least once, with Sakuya returning multiple times.

It's also not just that, but there is so much faggotry surrounding those characters. PA-*Knifed*, China got knifed for slacking XD, Flandre is the most powerful ever!, and some other annoying bullshit. EosDkiddos are the main reason Touhou gets so much flak, and that's because that's the game that the secondaries flock to. Well, that and MoF, but MoF has fantastic music, and interesting characters, so I'll let that slide. Honestly, EosD is to Touhou what Red and Green were to pokemon. They were what made the series what it is, but they are the outright worst games in the series, but that comes from the fact that they are the oldest, and the creators got better as time went on.

>>8913585
We play games every now and then, but replace gay porn with calling eachother Sonyggers and Nintenyearolds, and you've got a deal. And, as I said before, bring back Medicine, the Prism Rivers, and Shikieiki, and not very many people will complain.

>>8913596

This. This is some serious BS. There's no damn reason Tenshi couldn't have gotten a profile.

I'm not even that big a fan, and I think it sucks.

>>8913596

Wild and horned hermit is not complete.

Tenshi and Iku MAY have a major reveal there. Zun being sneaky. Also we don't know what his notes say

>>8913607
I understand Kisume not getting a page, I can almost understand Iku due to being less popular. Though no Tenshi and Momiji is bullshit.

>>8913596
because tenshi a shit

>>8911741
>drown them all

That part never actually happened.

>>8913602

Ugh. I hate all the stupid goddamn memes surrounding EoSD. I hate that idiots flock to it so hard. And I hate that you're pretty much right.

I didn't choose for the SDM to be my favorite house. EoSD wasn't the first game I played, the doujins weren't the first I read, the songs weren't the first I listened to. But here I am, having to put up with this bullshit.

>>8913602
>>8913649
Pretty much everyone here (that's sane (as far as /jp/ goes)) dislikes the Touhou memes.
I never really got why EosD was such a big offender in that regard, damn near every character in that game has an especially annoying one.

>>8911951
>she's jailed to Former Hell until forever

That's why she goes aboveground for parties, eh?

>>8913648

But that's wrong, you big dummy.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Minamitsu_Murasa#Official_Profiles

>>8913657

Most likely because it's the oldest group, they've just had more time to develop retarded memes.

I think it might be important to note here that what I took the time to post here as of this point was only a "partial leak" of Symposium of Post-Mysticism.

It's not the entire thing. Whoever was scanning the images of SoPM seem to had stopped so I couldn't put any additional information.

So there may be a chance.... a small chance there may be additional characters that I didn't post that may get revealed when someone buys the book. And when they do, hopfully they or someone will put the book up and show us everything the book has to offer.

So yeah, what we got here was simply a "preview" for tomorrow.

Hope you all have luck finding the remaining information, I shall be doing the same myself.

And I will buy this book, cause it's already shows alot of promise.

>>8911615
So Parsee, Satori and Koishi don't like humans at all as opposed to Yuugi and Okuu where it's unknown.
I wonder what stance Okuu takes knowing that both of her mistresses dislike humans.

>>8913692
She probably doesn't even understand what being a human means.

>>8913657
>>8913675

PCB has been around for nearly as long, and there are like what? 3 memes? Crazy Merlin, CHEEEEEEEEEN, and SUPPA Tenko. I guess you could say Yukari herself is a meme, but c'mon. And don't even start that Tsundure Alice bullshit. She's a PC-98 character, and that shit only started in IN. PCB had nothing to do with it.

IN does have a couple of them, though. Kaguya being a NEET is one of them, and I do suppose it holds some merit (plus /jp/ seems to like it), but then there's others, like Useless Bahny so fny lololol, Tsundere Alice, and CAVED. Still not as much as EosD or MoF, but pretty damned bad. PofV and UFO have no memes attributed to them, and if there are, it just goes to show you how unpopular they are.

>>8913688

Well the thing is that we already saw this page >>8909183 which seems to pretty clearly point out "We didn't give these characters real profiles, here's some blurbs from ZUN on them.

>>8913701
>SUPPA
Please, no.

>>8913698
Koishi doesn't dislike humans. In fact, she wants to be around them, but only the special ones. Also, most people consider her to be part of Marisa's harem.

>>8913701
PofV kind of spawned Ayayaya being crazy

>>8913692

I suppose it depends on who has more influence over her, Orin or Koishi+Satori. Best friends however tend to share the same values or stances, because that's what makes them friends a lot of the time. This of course only applies though if she herself has no strong independent reasoning for liking or disliking humans.

>>8913733
You realize that Koishi wouldn't influence her opinion on humans at all, right? Koishi has probably never interacted with humans, because her sister wanted to protect her. Don't try and slander poor 'ol Koishi. She has a lot of bull shit to put up with as it is.

>>8913675
>海に投げ出された
>flung into the sea

That's not "drowned". Read carefully, and don't fill what isn't written with your imagination.

>>8913747
>throw people into the middle of the ocean with nothing to save them
>not expecting them to drown

>>8913760
you're not quoting anyone, stop that.

>>8913746

Have you even read the earlier peoples posts at all about the translations of their profiles?

>>8913768
I'm pretty sure most of those are rushed/mistranslated. Not assuming anything until the book itself is released.

>>8913773

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that they have the same level of human friendship as each other.

Holy fuck why does it take years for firefox/4chanx to reload the page after a quick reply? It obviously has to do with the number of posts in a thread, but that's all I can figure.

>>8913784
None probably means that she has had no interaction with humans, not that she despises them.

What's with all this Cloudflare nonsense? is images.4chan.org down?

Usurper gods of Hakurei do not exist, this is as it should be. >:D

Also remember - the purpose of Akyu & Keine is literally to keep the other humans scared and semi-ignorant so youkai can survive. So it's no surprise if they're playing up threat levels.

Anything on the religious strife shit yet?

>>8913747

Wow, you're really going to argue that a bunch of humans flung out into sea just got away okay? Just ignoring the fact that if any of them had seen what happened after that and survived, Byakuren's entire plan would've been out the window right away?

Sheesh.

>>8913733
Seeing how Okuu fits into the loyal pet type, I think Satori as her mistress has far bigger influence on her.

>>8913805
>>8913727
No, if she had no interaction it would have been the same as Yuugi. That's not the case for Koishi however.
The only two humans she is interested in are Reimu and Marisa who both aren't exactly prime examples of your usual human.

>>8913845
> keep the other humans scared and semi-ignorant
That's wrong. They are trying to do exactly the opposite.

>>8913845
>>:D

Shut the fuck up.

>>8913893
I think the more correct term would be "drawn to them", since we established she acts purely on impulse.

Also, Koishi is watching you as you're reading this right now, but you won't notice her if you turn around

>>8913984
Stop giving me reasons to look behind me, its bad enough that my closet door is a giant mirror.

>>8914012
It's okay, either way you won't notice her if you turn around

>>8913916

Keine's BaiJR article.
Sections of PMiSS re: belief in youkai, and all the credits to Yukari.
They're adhering to the party line pretty close, if you ask me. But it's not like I haven't been wrong before.

>>8911975
I see nothing wrong with the threat levels listed. This is threat levels to HUMANS. If Satori mind fucks you, you are fucked. That is the end of it. Considering that Satori is not very friendly and the reason why she is isolated is because people fear the satori race, I don't see why she would not repay in kind if you meet her.

>>8912960
>Yama wouldn't put them in old hell, and you'd think something as major as Shikieiki talking to them would've been brought up at one point or another in Subterranean Animism. I seriously doubt that anyone governs Satori, and it's plausible that even the Yama herself fears Satori/Koishi. Being the judge of hell (new hell, not old one) doesn't exempt you from wanting to avoid beings who could read your mind/control your subconscious.

Old Hell is no longer part of Eiki's jurisdiction. She used to govern that area, since it was part of hell. It is beyond me why you assume those abilities work on her. We already know none of the 3 fairies' abilities work on Komachi.

>>8913893
It's known that Koishi has had next to no human interaction, thus the 'none' part, but there aren't records of Yuugi interacting with humans, so it's a big fat "I dunno".

>>8914124
Not really. Satori can only read minds. Koishi is the one that can control your subconscious.

And to the second part, how do you go about thinking that the fairies are as strong as Satori? Satori has been alive for a long ass fucking time, and is probably proficient enough at using her power that she could read Yama's mind with ease. The 3 fairies are young, and don't have very good mastery over their abilities, which is probably why Komachi noticed them. If Yukari herself is afraid of Satori, you damned better believe that Satori would have absolute mastery over her power.

>>8911438
Satori has no right eye.

A few things from the little bits translated.
Yamame apparently if you meet her you have a high chance of getting afflicted by a unknown fever that weakens you. If it isn't treated you can die, it also spreads via human touch. It's not clear if it's deliberate on her part.

Seiga isn't really a part of Miko's group anymore, she runs around Gensokyo bothering people she finds interesting.

She is quick to approach humans, and will leave if she gets bored. She is an exceedingly troublesome hermit.

She does not treat others with particular care, so take care not to be manipulated by her. Even if she approaches you with good will, if you refuse to deal with her, she should get bored and leave.

Regarding her wall removal, it seems that both walls which can be removed and those which cannot exist. The harder a wall, the easier it is to remove, but soft walls are protected. Therefore, it may be a good idea to surround your valuable items with a layer of a material such as rubber. Then again, since she does not desire material things, perhaps there is little need for such worries.

Bites from Kyonshi will create more Kyonshi. A non fatal wound creates a temporary one, fatal a permanent one.

So regarding PoFV characters. They have their character background in PMiSS. But not news articles. Do they have it in the new book?

Maybe it's just me, but Kyouko's and Mystia's glasses reminds me of Polysics.

>>8913890
What proof do you have that they didn't? Stop assuming things.

>>8913890
Well, yes. Byakuren could have just abandoned them I guess, but her plan was to befriend and pacify the youkai. I think you're just assuming they died because the crew of previous ships probably died. Byakuren was sealed away because she was helping the youkai, so at some point yes she was "figured out". I don't think she ever did any of this secretly, after all.

>Bites from Kyonshi will create more Kyonshi. A non fatal wound creates a temporary one, fatal a permanent one.

Gensokyo would be a good setting for a resident evil game.

>>8914722

>>8914201
Welp you made my day, she for some reason gave me the impression she doesn't really stay with the person she managed to convince once her objective is complete. So it would make sense, that Seiga's doing her own thing now.

Kinda of wander what kinda of deals she tries to push upon you (hehehe).

The main thing that impressed me was her wall removing skills explained in detail.

As for Yoshika yup Resident Evil: Touhou edition!

>Caring about used good

>>8913435
Amen.

A STICKY?!
THERE'S STILL HOPE LEFT IN THIS BOARD!

So, exactly how do the threat levels work? I mean, the logical assumption is to believe it's reflects how dangerous the character can potentially be (and by extent, how strong they are), but looking back at PMiSS, Eiki's threat level is Very Low. I don't think anyone's going to argue she's a weakling. So, uh, huh?

>>8914820
I think it's more of "if you were to bump into this person/youkai in a dark alley, how safe would your anus be?".

>>8914495

There's making assumptions and then there's forming logical conclusions. Figuring that the people on those ship drowned is far more the latter than the former, given the surrounding circumstances.

>>8914828
Makes sense with Yuugi at least. I mean, check out that horn.

>>8914834
Yuugi would be more likely to have a drinking party with you than she is to kill you.

>>8914820
I'm assuming that threat levels work based on how feared the character is, and how powerful they really are. That's why Satori is sky-high on the list; she's feared by almost fucking everyone, but she isn't dangerous enough to be on Yuuka level. Yuuka has fear factor and power. Yuugi has fear factor, but not very high intent-to-kill. Murasa has a ton of fear floating around her, as does Nue. Rin, though? She isn't very feared, and she doesn't exactly kill people all that often.

The way I see it, there are only 4 things that go into threat level.
>1. Maliciousness
>2. Fear
>3. Actual strength
>4. Reputation

The last one is kinda iffy, but a youkai can insight fear without actually having a bad reputation around the humans, see: Kogasa. Maliciousness is more or less how willing they are to kill. Someone like Yuugi probably doesn't enjoy killing people as much as she does drinking/sporting with them, but, as an Oni, she has a really bad rep.

>>8914831
The surrounding circumstances being "it's Byakuren and she's bad" (I assume the invalidity of "it's Byakuren and she can't save them from drowning being a shitty mage that she is" is clear). Long explanation short, circular reasoning.

And there's not even proof they were in the danger of drowning in the first place.

>>8914858
That makes sense so far. Can you explain Eiki's threat level being Very Low? No rep for caving people's face in?

>>8914864
> Can you explain Eiki's threat level being Very Low?

If you'd bump into Eiki it's extremely unlikely that she'd attack you. She'd probably just give you a lecture on everything you did wrong in your life

>>8914864
I don't see how she could be evil or malicious, hell she might even be more merciful than someone people would like to think

>>8914858
you forgot
>5.Softness
>6.Lewdness
>7.Rudeness

>>8914864
Lectures aren't a threat.

>>8913890
It did. And the whole thing happens in a sentence, so there's no context to go by whatsoever and nothing about the situation is explained. Speaking of which, she's not perfect but her in-game dialogue goes through a lot to promote equality between humans and youkai. Don't see how that's hating humans or hating anything.

Meanwhile, Miko's entire backstory revolves around deceiving and subjugating half a country's worth of people so she can keep them under her thumb. Then she starts a war with the other half she can't control. The whole thing becomes a long, bloody protracted war simply so she can be immortal. She botches that and then uses her best ally as a guinea pig for pseudo-immortality. Then she's a presumptuous bitch to Youmu. Her friendliness with humans is listed as "very high". What, so she's real good with people until she wants them to die because they don't want to lick her boots?

>>8914864
Low probably stems from her gigantic power, but no maliciousness, no fear surrounding her, and an amazing reputation. Remember, humans don't know very much about her, but what they do know probably paints her as merciful and just, which would make her pretty popular among them. I doubt Shikieki has ever harmed a human much past a light thwap on the head.

Also, these are probably based off of what people have told Akyu. She could have never met Satori herself, so, going by legend, assumed that Satori was one scary mother fucker and called it a day. Her only 'reliable' sources are the Shrine Maiden, the Witch, the vapid Crow Tengu, Keine, and Yukari. Only one of those 5 or a reliable resource, but I do suppose Marisa and Reimu could both stem a Youkai's threat level by telling AKyu "Nah, they're actually pretty cool." Aya, and Hatate, to a lesser extent, are likely to take slanderous and incriminating photos, and Aya is prone to being over come by stupidity (berating Yukari for thwapping Ran over the head for picking a fight). Keine also doesn't get out much, and can be pretty shady if you ask me. It's safe to assume that most of the threat levels things are inaccurate, but give you a general idea of how humans view those Youkai. Satori probably isn't threatening at all, but that doesn't stop humans from passing down bad legends about mean old Satori.

>>8914874
If that were the case, Murasa would be low/very low on the list.

>>8914907
And they say /jp/ is full of shit. Thanks, dude. That makes perfect sense.

I think threat level is in terms of society as a whole. A Necromancer who can literally create infectious 'zombies' is Very High, as is someone who gives of misfortune, and someone who spreads plague. The godesses are obviously not weak, but they have an almost symbiotic relationship with the humans so society can take it easy in regards to them.

>>8914904
My theory about threat level also applies to friendliness. What slander do you think humans have passed down/written about her? Even if she was a bitch to Youmu, do you think Akyu would take her word for it? Do you think that she simply let people slander her reputation? Toyosatomimi might be a bitch, but she's a tactical bitch. What she lacks in an (useful) ability, she makes up for in tactical and magical prowess. You could say something similar about Kanako, what with her starting a war with Suwako and all, but she remains friendly to humans.

However, Byakuren is kind of a bitch towards humans. Marisa even calls her out on her shit, saying that humans are the ones being bullied, and that's just fuel for the fire. Byakuren AND Toyosatomimi are both immoral and flawed, and that only strengthens their rivalry. They take Kaguya vs. Mokou level feuds to a whole new level.

>>8914915
Most boards are like that. People at 4chan tend to downplay anything positive about any board, and focus only on the shit in each board, which becomes a defining factor. That's why /v/ is known for hating video games, /a/ for hating anime and manga, and /sp/ for never being on topic. I know one of the biggest mentalities behind it is that it off puts those that they don't want to interact with.

>>8914921
Not to mention's 4chan's rep as a whole. It's like we discuss eating babies on a regular basis or something. Sure, there's shit, but there's gold too if you care to look for it.

>>8914920
That's only half of the problem. It's not that she can do it, it's that she can do it, and has no qualms about doing it, and has a bad rep to boot. The goddesses are usually very friendly to humans, as they need faith, but I assume that they end up liking humans after spending so long pandering to them for faith. They're obviously not going to attack humans either, as, once word gets out that a Goddess maliciously attacked a human, they're gonna lose a ton of faith.

Also, another important thing to note is the 2hu's age. If Yamame were a lot older and wiser, she wouldn't be spreading around plagues, and she would probably earn herself a good reputation. The opposite is also true; once a youkai gets strong, it gets deadly. Yuuka is known to be a walking murder machine, but that's probably just her reputation speaking for her.

>>8914929
As someone on /v/ explained, "People on 4chan or the gamers of olde. We are the social rejects, the people who never really interacted with anyone but our kind, but gaming has been over run with normalfags. 4chan is our last bastion; our final homeland. We must do everything we can to ensure it remains that way." I understand this mentality, and am fine with it since I'm not exactly the most outgoing individual myself, but it is potentially deterring to people you WOULD want to chat up.

>>8914929
Less meta more Post-Mysticism.

I'll never get these names.

>>8914935
sym·po·si·um   [sim-poh-zee-uhm]
1.a meeting or conference for the discussion of some subject, especially a meeting at which several speakers talk on or discuss a topic before an audience.
2.a collection of opinions expressed or articles contributed by several persons on a given subject or topic.

Post-Mysticism can be taken to mean "After the Magic," so take it to mean "We're talking about magical people that started an incident once." It feels that role quite nicely.

>>8914935
More Post-Mysticism it is.
Wasn't the book supposed the have articles on the religions as well? Have they been scanned yet?

>>8914942
Fills*

Ah fuck I'm tired. I was getting ready to go to bed, but then discussion started up.

>>8914945
Assume that they're coming with the actual book. If everything was leaked, no one would want to buy it, other than to support ZUN. Besides, all that we really have, as of right now, are shitty machine-translated articles.

>>8914950
>no one would want to buy it

Except some people like having physical copies, like me.

Did ZUN make this english title? He sure knows some uncommon words.

>>8914942
>Post-Mysticism can be taken to mean "After the Magic,"

Mysticism is nothing even remotely similar to magic.

>>8914957
I was using 'magic' to describe all of the shit that went down during the incidents. I know how to use a dictionary right and fine.
mys·ti·cism   [mis-tuh-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
the beliefs, ideas, or mode of thought of mystics.
2.
a doctrine of an immediate spiritual intuition of truths believed to transcend ordinary understanding, or of a direct, intimate union of the soul with God through contemplation or ecstasy.
3.
obscure thought or speculation.
"We're talking, out of our asses, about magical people that started shit up once."

>>8914933
All touhous could easily grind any human to a bloody pulp if they went berserk, but most are civilized enough and can control their own strength and abilities and thus aren't a threat.

>>8914964
>I know how to use a dictionary

But you seem to lack the contextual knowledge necessary to understand the definition (and the humility necessary to consider correcting your superficial understanding of it).

This may be more informative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism#Modern_understanding

>>8914964
I think it may be:
"A meeting discussing our previous experiences with God/religion"

>>8914985
Or it could be "ZUN thought this sounded cool"

>>8914972
There are very few youkai who WOULDN'T fear an angry mob of humans. Only those whose powers could wipe out a large area with ease are safe from humans, and those aren't exactly common. They have to be civilized enough so that humans don't just take them out.

Still, do you think that humans wish for war? I doubt it. I'm sure it's a situation similar to MGQ, in that most people want piece, on the only ones causing strife are the ones that don't know any better (Rumia, Medicine, Cirno), and the radicals (Toyosatomimi, Ilias Kreutz, and the whole shabang).

>>8914979
>Modern understanding
The way I put it into context is fine. Even my sleep-deprived brain can make full sense of that. But >>8914985 works fine as well. ZUN never really elaborates on names (see Koishi's theme).

>>8914987
This, though, is the most plausible answer. It makes so much sense that I'm about to pass out from lack of sleep.

>>8914987
See the name of the new album for more proof of this.

>>8914993
While a group of humans might be safe from most youkai, a single human isn't, a single unprepared human is even less safe. How many humans live in Gensokyo?

>>8915021
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Human
If this article can be trusted then the average human from Gensokyo more powerful than the average youkai.

But "the average youkai" is probably referring to the cannon-fodder enemies we fight in the stages while the bosses are far above average youkai strength, even 2hus like Wriggle.

>>8914985
That's closer, at least for the "mysticism" part. The "post-" part, however, shouldn't be "past experiences" but rather "something that goes after".

Gensokyo is now home to many differing "religious" traditions, and has always been a dimension that basically turns the supernatural into the natural, making them, basically, all correct and all mundane. What follows is the loss of the special status mystics hold, both as holders of unique knowledge and ultimate truth. What happens is, I assume, everyone getting together and trying to figure out "well, what the fuck are we going to do now? And no infighting, we're now in the same boat, remember?"

...I just missed them, or Imperishable Night cast have been left out, apart Mystia?

Should I get this? I've only ever played the games, never gotten into the secondary stuff.

>>8915113
Starts at Mountain of Faith. It includes everyone afterwards.

>>8915123
There are more important things to buy first. Buy the original games if you still don't have them.

If you already have the games, then sure, go ahead. This is the first non-game Touhou item I'll buy because, fuck, this thing is beautiful.

>>8911615
Yuuka is still the only Touhou who has a threat level of extremely high, if that is right.

>>8914985
I always assumed the mysticism just referred to (Mountain of) Faith, so it's information about everything that happens in that game and after.

You know what?

I'm angry and disappointed at the japanese fanartists. Since the first leak at the defunct >>8909155 I've been hounding Pixiv for the first fanarts about the new content.

And there's nothing so far! Just the usual assortment of Remilias, Flandres and kawaii shit. Am I just being too impatient?

Truly these are good times, where the gentlemen of /jp/ discuss new material and make their Gensokyo take form

I think "post-mysticism" is a reference to the modernized era that led to Gensokyo et cetera. Whether it has anything to do with the talks or not.

>>8915265
Yes. Most Japanese fanartists are shrinemaiden-tier secondaries.

>>8915391
It's not like the average /jp/ poster is any better nowadays

>>8915399
Believe it or not, he is.

>>8915265
>kawaii shit

>>8915391
Well, here's something to get the party started

>>8915123
Does it include Hatate and Momiji?
I didn't see their profiles posted here.

>>8915265
All I know is lots of bad things are going to happen to kyouko. Again.

>>8915058
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Human
That article can't be trusted. It has no sources for that statement and according to the only sources we have even young youkai overpower humans physically. Not to speak of their abilities.

>>8914858
>Yuugi would be more likely to have a drinking party with you than she is to kill you.
If it's someone who can hold their own against her like our heroines surely, but you know what happens if you lose a game to a oni.

>>8915419
The party doesn't start until the H comes in.

Welp it's nearly 1 AM in Japan now and the book should be avaliable now. If your in the local Japan area, maybe you can buy it come in the morning.

Otherwise, shop on the internet. It'll be good to get all the Touhou info ASAP.

地霊殿には数多くの動物が棲んでいるという。
Given that, why is art of animals in chireiden so rare?

>>8915589
Because that would involve making original characters?
I'd assume that most pets in Chireiden have their human forms avaible just like Okuu and Orin since in the touhouwiki article about chireiden says that they do stuff like helping out in the garden.
I'd say they are similar to the faerie maids in the SDM in that regard.

Then again I don't know how reliable that article is

>>8915592
You know, how about we take it easy and enjoy the discussion about this? Particularly, I would love some details on Nue's profile, but the thread is too big so it would take some time to search for it.

>>8915600
Well, as far as I know, the reliable sources would be ZUN interviews (when he's not drunk), the official profiles or the instruction manual profiles, in-game dialogues and of course the print works. So, if you search long enough, you can easily find if the article is reliable. Usually the Touhou wiki articles are very reliable, though, so it's probably true. Also, considering that Okuu doesn't do much (as far as I know), maybe the other pets are just powerful as her, or much worse, and they do simple jobs too.

Liebe, commando Kogasa, big tits Byakuren.

So many great things are now canon.

>>8915612
I'd say most pets who work in the mansion are weaker than Orin and much weaker than Okuu since Okuu got her godpowers and working in hell sounds alot more difficult than cooking and cleaning

>>8915618
>So many great things are now canon.
Which is funny because they weren't before so now ZUN is bending to the public.