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Is this legit?

>>8323138
No, it's a virus. Report, sage, move on,

It's not the "Answer booklet".

It's confessions from Yasu and some other ditherings of beatrice and shit.

No answers
No explanations
Meta destination.

>>8323138

It's legit, but it's full of fucking kanji. Ugh.

>>8323148

R07 can eat shit, then.

>>8323148

Seriously?

>>8323148

Well, if it actually solves the biggest mysteries of who Yasu/Beatrice is, how Shannon and Kanon figures in, and why she really did it that nobody seems to get, then that would be even better than solutions to 1-4 closed rooms. But is that what it is?

ITT: people who thought they were reading a mystery best-seller.

Looks like umineko is really the baby-first vn of his own fanbase.

>>8323182

It doesn't solve who he/she is. We already know who he/she is. Why would you need more?

Yasu is the grandchild/child of kinzo who was flung off a cliff by natsuhi whilst still a baby. It disfigured him/her so horribly they are no longer able to physically love. Yasu is also kinzo's true heir since he/she solved the epitaph and gained the title of beatrice. In doing so yasu was trapped in a fate he/she didn't want so they set up the bomb to go off on the 2nd day of the rokkenjima conference. Shennanigans (possibly) ensue and shit gets blown up.

I'd just like to know what the hell it actually is. It looks like it has dialogue sections and bolded sections, but fuck if I know what those actually say.

I don't even really care about what the specifics are, just what, overall, the booklet actually is supposed to be.

>>8323565

Don't forget how George stole Battler's letter to her.

Fuck. I want to play Ougon before 2012.

>>8323629
It is at least supposed to answer all the closed rooms. I wouldn't listen to all the people saying it says fuck all until it's actually translated. People say all sorts of shit.

>>8323639
In the interview R07 leaves this open. Either you have love for Battler and it was George, or you have love for George and it was Battler, or maybe it was even Kyrie who just told Battler to write to his cousins.

>>8323663

George is presented as more and more of a cunt as the games progress; that interview reeks of R07 backpedaling.

No, it was George who hid the letter, because he's a huge shitstain.

>>8323698
It was George who hit the letter to you because you're the guy who goes on and on about how much he hates George in every single thread.

>>8323707

It was George who hid the letter because he's presented as a manipulative and selfish person. I am trying to make sense of the storytelling while ignoring the HURR WITHOUT LOVE IT CANNOT BE SEEEEEENNN bullshit that only has to do with a theme in the story and nothing to do with how it is actually told.

R07's interviews are the absolute worst part of Umineko and I've learned it is probably wise not to listen to anything he says.

Furthermore I don't exactly like Battler either, but I find it really hard to believe that he'd forget about Shannon after only, what, two, three years?

>>8323629
It's a new gameboard by Meta-Beatrice, but for this one she left in the parts that show how the tricks were carried out and how she manipulated everyone into cooperating with her. The tricks are minor variations of the ones from EP1-4. The bolded parts are notes from Meta-Beatrice explaining why she set things up in a particular way. There's also a foreword by Dlanor explaining how she was entrusted with the notes and why she's publishing them.

>>8323642
I know that feel.
Also, this is like the third thread about this.

>>8323565

We don't know who he/she is if you're calling her he/she. That's kind of the point.

>>8324099

That could be really interesting.

Does this finally explain how Shkannontrice works, if it wasn't a red herring in the first place? Or what Yasu/Beatrice's birth sex is?

>>8325272
>if it wasn't a red herring in the first place?
Are you seriously saying this?

Episode 6 was years ago. Years. It's time to move on.

>>8325291
And nothing has been confirmed in those years. But skshitters still act like they've won.

>>8325291

Yeah, but then 8 implied a lot of stuff was bullshit and could be coloured by Ange's misconceptions, made up plot devices by Ikuko, or post-Battler's faulty memory.

>>8323565
I thought it was Kinzo that set the clock to blow, but died before he could reset it, so no one knew they were sitting on a ticking time bomb.

>>8325333
Are you also same the guy who ignores interviews because they inconveniently confirm shkanontrice in completely certain terms? Good god you're deluded. What's to stop you from writing off Confessions for the same reason?

I mean, check out how deluded this guy is. Someone.

>>8325345

No, it was beatrice/yasu who set the clock.

That's why she suicides at the end.

>>8325345
The clock can probably be set 12 hours in advance, Kinzo's been dead much longer.

>>8325272
>Does this finally explain how Shkannontrice works,

Yasu has DID, Shanon/Kanon/Beatrice are their personalities which were based off some shitty fiction characters that they and Maria came up with.

>>8325352
Shkshitters are the deluded ones. Time passing does not magically give you evidence. It is still possible for it to be a red herring.

Someone else argued to prove that closed rooms don't need shkanontriceshit earlier in this thread but people don't want to listen to his arguments because they're too set in their answer to think.

The culprits are the grandchildren. Jessica doesn't exist, she's a delusion that Natsuhi thought up. Krauss just goes along with it because he doesn't feel like dealing with Natsuhi's crazy.

>>8325407
That wasn't in this thread. But I know what you're thinking of, and it's not that people stopped thinking, it's just that his solutions were pathetic and the real solutions have already been given out anyway. I can't believe you're still going on about this shit. After episode 6 is one thing, but after 7? After fucking 8?

>>8325391
Uh, hellooooo?
The DID thing have been abandonned since ep7 and replaced by Yasu and his imaginary friends.

I don't know shit about closed rooms, but I do know that you can just lock a door behind you when you exit it. And a kid can easily fit through a crack in a door that's still on a chain.

>>8325417
Where's the proof that Yasu doesn't have DID? Cause the interview hinted that they did.

>>8325415
Shkanon(trice) never made sense. Interviews don't change that, the real author of umineko was likely BT anyway and when he died Ryukishi changed the answer. Interviews are ex-game material, you can't use them for the answer. They don't mean anything and are just trolling. Remember when he said erika wasn't evil in an interview? Just misunderstood? What happened to that?

>>8325415
Well, to be fair, 8 doesn't help in any way. As for 7, it's quite complicated, but it's still doable, and more credible. But yeah, if it is a stupid lolshkannonDID, it IS stupid.
Not this anon, but I just can't stand people who are annoying people that are still thinking as if they had the holy truth.

Can people stop calling Beatrice an alternate personality of Yasu? Not once in Episode 7 were Yasu and Beatrice shown separately. Yasu evolved into Beatrice, she's not an offshoot. They're different names for the same character(as is Lion, technically). The character is still Beatrice, and Ep. 8 tried to drive that in. The Beatrice we see in 1-4 is Yasu in the same way meta-Battler is Battler.

>>8325419
If you read the interviews you'll see the closed rooms weren't about how people were able to slip out. The whole idea is that they're perfect closed rooms, and the way they work is that they're closed rooms at the wrong time, or the culprit remains inside.

>>8325426
quote?
And read the novel, and learn about what DID is. It's clear enough. I seriously doubt Yasu/Kanon/Shannon even have one symptom of it.

>>8325407
>Someone else argued to prove that closed rooms don't need shkanontriceshit earlier in this thread but people don't want to listen to his arguments because they're too set in their answer to think.

Well, we'll probably find out when this is translated.

>>8325417
>Uh, hellooooo?
Why is it that only people in Umineko threads type like massive faggots?
Even though you're right.

>>8325363

The mechanism was old, it could just have gone off on it's own. Beatrice was probably entrusted with keeping check on it after Kinzo died, so blames herself.

>>8325426
People with DID don't have control over their other personalities. Each personality has the same level as power as the others, in a way, they aren't subservient. They probably can't even talk to their own personalities, but I don't know about this, DID is a questionable illness in the first place and anyone diagnosed with it might not really suffer from its supposed reality at all.

Yasu clearly has control over Shannon and Kanon and Beatrice, their "personalities" talk to one another and can be manipulated. See the part where Yasu changes the world to give Beatrice Shannon's love for Battler, and change her appearance in doing so.

>>8325474
By the way I'm not saying Kanon, Shannon and Beatrice aren't all the same person, obviously they are, but how it works is that Yasu acts out each personality, not that she has DID. You can become attached to personalities you act out, ask an actor.

>>8325474
Anti-shkannon here too, but:


>>People with DID don't have control over their other personalities.
To be fair, this part depend of the person. A lot. That's also why DID is so hard to diagnose.

>>Each personality has the same level as power as the others, in a way, they aren't subservient.
Yes and no, there are more "intrusive" ones. But yeah, talking about a domining persinnality is stupid in the first place, it's not someone else in your mind, it's something that was created for a purpose.

>>They probably can't even talk to their own personalities, but I don't know about this, DID is a questionable illness in the first place and anyone diagnosed with it might not really suffer from its supposed reality at all.

Again, it depends. In EVERY case, it is not talks like Shannon and Kanon. In fact, it is often referred as schyzophrenia, but ""from the inside"". In anything, it makes you crazy because you "hear" things in your head that just are not. Co-conscious personnalities are not that rare, but being able to talk with them kind of is.


>>Yasu clearly has control over Shannon and Kanon and Beatrice, their "personalities" talk to one another and can be manipulated. See the part where Yasu changes the world to give Beatrice Shannon's love for Battler, and change her appearance in doing so.

That's the biggest problem. Even with everything I said earlier, you don't "switch" your personnality at will, without some kind of trigger. Moreover, the love duel thing is kind of stupid too. you don't assimilate other personnalities like that. AT. ALL. That's just stupid.

And THE biggest problem is that sometimes, there is just NO reason for them to switch except for denying the red. That they should not know in the first place. It's no wonder it's called a wonderful and lazy plot device; that's exactly what it is, even in-universe.

So let me get this straight. There are people who doubt that Beatrice/Kanon/Shannon/Gaap/etc are all products of the same human? In this very thread? More than one of them? Which Umineko were you reading? And how high were you when doing so?

>>8325544
There was someone today saying some shit about nothing after episode 5 counting.

So that Umineko. Which is the only way I can see it being justified, really, despite the overwhelming amounts of foreshadowing you can see in hindsight.

>>8325544

That image is part of what I'm talking about - Beatrice should be lit up just like Yasu, they're the same personality.

>>8325544
Kanon being shannon can be twited somehow, but everything else is kind of sure. Then again, the problem is the people thinking about LOLDID when umineko's whole story = Yasu trying to win an award.

>>8325566
I disagree, Yasu is the master behind all the personalities being acted, this includes Beatrice. Yasu is everything there. Even before she became a witch, Yasu had an imaginary friend Shannon, but that Shannon was part of what makes her up.

>implying fiction DID is the same as actual DID

Who am I quoting? This whole fucking thread.

>>8325511
>Moreover, the love duel thing is kind of stupid too. you don't assimilate other personnalities like that. AT. ALL. That's just stupid.

Tell that to the people that made that horrible horror movie in which people are being murdered one after another, with the twist being that the "people" are actually the personalities of a deranged serial killer being killed until only one remains.

>>8325623
Is he really a deranged serial killer or just a deranged personality killer

>>8325623
There's nothing more horrifying than insanity.

>>8325588

But Yasu and Beatrice are the same personality. Again, all other personalities appear seperately. We never see Yasu and Beatrice appear seperately. Yasu grew up to be Beatrice. Episode 7 clearly shows she *became* Beatrice. She didn't become Gaap, or Shannon, or anyone else.

>>8325787
Forget about the names actually used for a moment and realize you have to have a name for the human that all these acts make up. That is what I've been calling Yasu, and it's different from Beatrice, which is only a part.

>>8325623
Identity? (Quite a good movie if you don't care about this btw)
But since it is so vague, it doesn't have the same problems. It could be a metaphorical representation and nothing else here, while in umineko there is this "each personnality is fighting for it's love" bullshit, like if it was some kind of demonic possession and each one was something individual or whatever.

>>8325833

But her name is Beatrice too. She becomes Beatrice, just as "Lion" becomes Yasu as a fake identity. It's not an extra personality or part she acts out. As far as she's concerned, she *is* Beatrice. The character we see in Ep.8 is probably the most accurate to who Yasu/Beatrice actually was around the time of the incident.

It's a very important distinction. Beatrice is a real person, not a pure meta character like Gaap.

>>8325838
There is no difference between that little child personality killing off the others until its just him, and Yasu's three personalities deciding to kill each other in order to decide who gets to be the top dog.

Same kind of shit happened in Sleepaway Camp too.

Basically, Umineko is just a mass collection of twist and plot points stolen from other works of fiction.

>>8325588
The imaginary friend Shannon was based off a real Shannon right?

>>8323127
Oh god, Dlanor is tiny. I want to die the death for her.

>>8325875

This and many other questions have gone unanswered.

>>8325891

Oh come on, who gives a fuck, it's not even important

>>8325861
Not the anon you were talking to, but RK07 stated numerous times in his interviews (and it was hinted in the games) that Beatrice (or Meta-Beatrice if you will) represents several people. She is a collection of 3 generations of Beatrices. That's why we are shown the scenes of Beatrice two as being part of her past. People like Natsuhi also see their own version of Beatrice.

The question about the distinction was raised in an interview recently and iirc the answer was basically you can think of it both ways. I just think it's less logical to think of Yasu transforming directly into Beatrice because of the huge difference in their personalities. One is a borderline dominatrix (no it's not all just an act), the other couldn't give Battler a call for several years. And I doubt the conditions during the late years of her life would allow her to transform into the Beatrice we were introduced to in the beginning.

George killed them all for his glorious dickgirl waifu, and for monies.

>>8326392
Ahhh yeah, mad money