You sound pretty normal to me.

I'm a recovered normalfag. /jp/ turned my life around.

The depressingly sad thing about this is that you are really trying to get a real discussion out of this.

Make friends through university. Join a club or something. Then you'll end up making more friends and going out and stuff. Hell, even I did it.

Just don't fail. I failed and now my life is shit and I'm pretty much full-on hikikomori.

You honestly think there are people on this board in a better situation than you?

>>8140762
Well, I can hope. I'd love to hear from anyone who managed to balance out their /jp/-related interests with independent living.

See your body, yes this thing. Use it to go outside, get it? Now you're in the house outside of your room, go outside again, then you successed ! The hardest step is obviously to shut down your CP....I mean ComPuter and get out of 4chan. It's hard but you can do it.
>no driver's license
go for it, NAOWWW!!!

>>8140749
Why do you skip classes?

This is the end of 4chan, everyone here is either on the same level or worse off than you.

try /adv/ again and this time pretend to be a girl

>>8140771
Because I'm both lazy and frightened. I find it hard to make the effort to get out of the house, and I really don't like being in groups of people.

>>8140773
> try /adv/ again and this time pretend to be a girl
This is actually a really good tip.

Yes, come to the board full of shut-ins asking for help on how to not be a shut-in.

>>>/adv/

Just take all your classes online. You won't have to get up, see people, or anything.

>>8140774
So it is fear of the outside that keeps you in the house rather than, say, inertia, apathy, or computer addiction.

>>8140782
I tried doing that but dropped out once I learned that it required group chats.

>>8140773
>>8140778
You guys are already vastly more helpful than /adv/, so don't sell yourselves short.

>>8140769
That's the one thing I actually am going to get off my ass and do, but it's a long-term goal. The problem is that the province I live in has a stupid graduated licensing program that means I won't be able to drive on my own for a fucking year. I've convinced my parents to pay for driving school, but vehicular independence is still going to be 12 months away.

>>8140782
I would if I could.

>>8140784
Well, I'd say it's a little of everything, but it really is the fear that keeps me inside and feeds my other addictions.

Thank you so far, guys, it's nice to just talk about this even if I'm not getting much serious concrete advice.

Set yourself a small goal for each day and move up from that. Get out of the room, dine out, go to a new store. If you're nervous it's okay. A lot of times I got showered and dressed only to freeze with a panic attack at the door. But it's a step.
Try to change your routine and explore new things. Open up so you can escape the rut you're in. Since you're in university try to join a student club. You don't need to be extroverted, just be there and try to enjoy your time.

Repeat this as a mantra: "They don't care". Nobody does. You might think people outside are scanning you, looking for any defects or flaws. That the cashier is silently judging you for mumbling a few words. It's you, you're judging yourself and externalizing it. There's no need for that, you have to accept that however bad you are at the moment is just a momentary thing and you're working towards improving yourself. And most importantly, you're just another guy out there, people are focused only on themselves.

Sleep regularly. Try to do some light exercise, just as much as you can take. If you feel judged at a gym, just do some jogging or push-ups in your room.

Try to get more sunlight, it will improve your mood and energy. Lack thereof is the cause of many cases of Seasonal Affective Disorder.

If you think talking to a therapist might help, seek one out. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy worked for me since it was very goal based instead of talking randomly about your thoughts and feelings. And the end result is that it changes the way you perceive and think of the world.

You're not alone. Hang in there and survive this rough patch. Things can improve but you have to take the first steps. Your willpower will waver and you will feel like rubbish, but if you keep your mind focused on just the small goal at hand you will accomplish it.

Godspeed.

>>8140791
Being helpful is a mark of shame on /jp/. It's supposed to be all assholes all the time.

Does music help calm you down? Do you own a portable music player of any kind?

Just go to classes and don't fail that's the most important part

or you'll end up like me who couldn't even finish Highschool in a low-wage dead end job.

It's not really much of advice though,
I know that situation of not being able to go to school because of social retardation.
Maybe go to a psychiatrist or something they might help I don't know.

>>8140798
Thank you so much. All very good advice. How about long-term goals like moving out and becoming independent? Got any suggestions on what order I should accomplish that sort of thing in? Do you think I should take some time off school to work?

>>8140802
I never thought of that. I'll try loading some classical music (I love Tchaikovsky) onto an mp3 player and see if that helps me in public.

find a better major


i didn't quit Physics for shit and giggles

Who gives a shit.

>>8140817
I'm doing History. There's pretty much nowhere lower I can sink. I already failed out of university once (took Engineering, god fucking damn that was a mistake) and managed to gain re-entry through community college courses. The best day of my life was when I got the acceptance letter, but of course I'm well on the way to fucking it up all over again.

>Are any of you out there recovered shut-ins?
>recovered shut ins
>/jp/

>>8140815
Most people who quit college to work never end up going back.

I have a similar story to yours, anon. Still working on it. I'm going to school full time now, though, and not skipping classes.

I tried applying for jobs for awhile. I got calls back on my applications but when it came time for the interview I would have panic attacks and throw up. Pretty shit. Maybe I'll try again soon.

>>8140815
Focus on the task at hand. Right now that is finishing your education, no matter what. It won't make looking for a job any easier, but you will find out soon enough that due to the current system you require a degree for even basic jobs.

There is no shame in living with your family as long as you're not expecting them to provide you with everything. You might be taking a slightly longer road towards becoming an independent adult, but you will get there.

I really do not recommending dropping off, I've seen it time and time again. People living in regret because now it will be difficult, if not outright impossible, to continue their education after taking some time to work.

To accomplish your long term goal you first have to conquer your social anxiety problems. With that comes confidence and the ability to interact. Try to do some networking then in your area of study since most jobs are NOT advertised, you get them through connections and knowing the right people. And qualifications of course...
With a job you will get some degree of financial independence and freedom. Organize a good budget and start saving. Try to separate a slice for hobbies though.
Do not get into debt, for the love of god, do not get into debt.
During all this you should look for residence. It will be shit and small, but you'll have achieved yet another milestone.

I know this is all very general advice and it might not apply to your situation or your location, but it's somewhat of a guideline. Become a self improving version of yourself and soon enough you will find that it's quite addicting, the rush of accomplishing milestones.

Hope this helps, and don't be afraid of making a mistake. You can always recover from a misstep and it's far worse to never try anything due to the fear of failure.

>>8140855
Reported, go back to /a/

>>8140749
Not quite a NEET? Not a NEET at all, you sounds like those kids saying that they are hikkikomori "during their summer vacations". But honestly, I can't help you.
>>8140798
But this guy got a lot of good ideas. I tried to make myself a schedule but I don't even follow it.

You would think that if someone recovered from being a recluse they wouldn't be on /jp/

If your parents love you enough tell them that you want man the fuck and need their help, tell them what they must do and that you they mustn't care about your outbreaks and keep forcing you to do shit and work, if you feel unpleasant about this tell them to start in 1 week, so you can finish your last deals, you will either win and become normal or get depresed and hang yourself, but both of them are better than your actual life.

You sound a bit like me OP, except I'm a few years younger and I barely attend classes except if I have to, and I try to focus entirely on school work.

In my opinion, I could live my entire life in solitude and I'd be happy, because I absolutely hate being around other human beings. So, hopefully I end up in academia, or government, in a cubicle somewhere, so I don't have to deal with other human beings on a personal level. That'd be nice. Also, cool story bro etc.

>>8140749
I do the same OP, except I'm 19 and don't live with my parents.

In the Summer I hope to go backpacking. Traveling is a hobby and interest of mine.

>I'm not quite a NEET - I go to university
>I go to university
NEET doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>8140932
Not OP but
>NEET
>not in education, employment, or training
>education

>>8140934
Why did you just repeat what I said?

>>8140946
Because you can't fucking read. He said he is not quite a NEET because he attends University.

>>8140952
I know what he said. I highlighted the fact that he thinks he's a NEET (he said not quite).

He probably thinks it means hikkikomori. You've misunderstood me.

>>8140958
You're a fucking idiot.

Am I a true hikki or just a wanna be NEET?
* Not in education, employment or training
* Spends over 23 hours a day in his room

BUT

* Occasionally talks to roommates
* Leaves room several times a day, for food/laundry/showering etc

Where is the line drawn between being a true hikki and a wannabe?

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>>8140961
> wannabe
If you *want* to be a hikikomori (???) you're nowhere near one.

>>8140960
I don't think so. You're just upset that you made a mistake, it's okay though. We all make mistakes.

>>8140969
He said that he is *not quite* a NEET. This means he is _not_ a NEET.

For example: "I am not quite at the store". This means that I am not at the store.

I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me at this point, or if you're legitimately stupid.

>>8140969
>>8140958
>>8140932

>>8140958
I said not quite because while I am ostensibly attending university, I rarely make it to more than one or two classes a week. And unless I turn things around, I'm well on track to being a real NEET.

So, anyway, does this sound like a decent plan to turn things around?
* Attend all classes through the end of term
* Sign up for therapy at the university
* Do one piece of coursework a day, but be upset about not finishing it in one day (I have nine days before my final essays - one 2000 word and four 700 word - are due)
* Study for my exams (the one thing I actually never have a problem with)
* Get learner's license immediately after exam period ends
* Sign up for courses as soon as grades come in, if I didn't fail
* If I did fail out, sign up for community college courses ASAP
* Clean up my mess of a room during the holidays (giving myself one small goal a day to keep me from being a total slob)
* Sign up for driving school and pick times that work around my school schedule
* Apply for jobs on the off-chance that I can find one that doesn't conflict with my schedule, but not worry too much if I can't fit one in

Of course, it's easy to write about what I should do. Actually carrying it out is another story...

>>8140982
Er, that should read
>But NOT be upset about not finishing it in one day

OP, shut up. No one cares.

>>8140999
You're one to talk.

>>8140982

Hey bro, I'm >>8140923
If you're having problem getting work done, I suggest getting some stimulants, or if thats not up your alley, drink lots of caffeine and buckle down on the self-discipline (which really is the hardest part). After a few weeks, you'll find yourself more productive than you've ever been and getting work done will just be second nature.

>>8140982
Not NEET at all here but I go to University too.

You obviously can recognize your shortcomings and you're in University. Pick yourself up and go to all your classes. Pass all your stuff so you're actually progressing somewhere first.

Don't give yourself the option of going to community college just because you didn't put in proper effort for University.

I don't think it's urgent to get a driver's license but it's definitely something you want to have.

tl;dr : Doing something will lead to something. Nothing leads to nothing. Posting on /jp/ about your problems isn't going to do anything. Good luck.

>>8140749

No idea... I guess I just learned to deal with people, and even then I still don't go out and socialize much. Mostly I just go to work and come home in an endless cycle.

I was exceptionally bad in high school, to the point that I would spend multiple classes shut in a bathroom stall... Eventually I simply dropped out.

The few years I spent as a shut-in after dropping out were probably my worst... I didn't do anything but play video games. It's a long story, but I did eventually get my equivalency and finished a two year degree at a shitty little community college with minimal interaction with other people.

I can go out and socialize if I absolutely must, but it always ends up exhausting me both physically and mentally. It's so much work just to bullshit your way through life and cover up who you really are.

Why would you want to stop?

Don't you want to take it easy all the time?

>>8140749

I did it and so can you

You sound like me last year.

I saw a counselor. Got referred to a doctor. Talked to them for a few weeks. Felt better getting shit off my chest. Got prescribed meds to help me out. Started leaving my room and talking to friends again. Felt even better.

Now things are good. Great, even. I guess you could do that if you feel comfortable with counseling.

>>8140766
>I'd love to hear from anyone who managed to balance out their /jp/-related interests with independent living.
Go on disability, live frugally. If you play your cards right, you'll be able to eat healthy, pay for a decent internet connection, rarely have to go outside and have some money left over.

>>8141148

what kind of meds? anxiety?

>>8140961
Not unless your roommates are your parents. Why do you care? Just call yourself a shut-in.

>>8140749

only advice i can give you is to eat well, sleep well, and start exercising alot more than you do now, even if its just walking around a lot. also, stop smoking and drinking if currently do. this will all increase your motivation and set your mind straight on exactly what you want to do and how best to do it.

dont be afraid of failing, everyone gets their feet wet sometime, if you're afraid remember what some other anon itt said about how people only care about themselves and more-often-than-not don't give a shit about what you're doing or how dumb you think you look.

>>8141165

Yeah. Anxiety and depression. They helped me quite a bit.

Honestly, once you start getting out and going to class, things start to feel better. You actually feel like you're accomplishing things, which in turn leads you to feel better.

I know it sounds easier than it really is, and I know how hard the first step is. You just need to do it.

I'm of my best trolling has been done on /adv/. They fall for anything. I've seen one more than a couple of them be used as kopipe on other boards. I feel kind of like a published author.

>>8140749
I was going to give advice for a NEET or hikki but honestly you're better off than most. I will say that letting yourself fail university is the most stupid thing you can do right now.Unless by university you actually mean some 2nd rate college. Getting a proper degree takes years and if you had to restart a new degree program now you would be 30 before you finished. Think about that before you consider dropping out.

I only just started university after years of being a hikki. It's tough but I don't let other people and their problems interfere with whatever it is I need to do to pass.
Attend lectures. -> Go home. -> Lock door.
Do exams. -> Go home. -> Lock door.
It really isn't more complicated than that. Since /jp/ is pretty terrible at the moment, good threads rarely update so you can keep up with them every now and then, and just ignore all the spam threads.

>>8141240
How did you avoid giving speeches?

>>8141267
So far it was only required with group tasks, so I delegate the speech'ing to someone else and do the majority of research instead.

Group work can be terrible but just split the work, do more than your share just incase, and combine the results at the end. Don't leave much room for discussion, have it already planned out before you start the assignment.

Not sure what I'll do if solo speeches are required. Probably rush through it and let my other grades keep me afloat. If you picked a highly social and extrovert course, that's your own problem.

So you guys say it's better for people to finish university if they already started it. While I understand that it's the most logical choice, what if you are doing bad and have a bad GPA? Is it still a good idea to get a say, 4-year degree then? What if you wanted to shape up but it's too late to get a good GPA to go to grad school or something?

Also are meds really good for battling high anxiety/not being able to focus and study?

Just wondering.

>>8141525
I did coke towards the end of my 4 year degree out of stress.
I don't think it helped, but it didn't hurt either i think.

Seeing is how I'm not a complete retard, I can switch from an introvert persona to an outgoing one at will when the situation requires it.

>>8141533
> I can switch from an introvert persona to an outgoing one at will when the situation requires it.

This. Working in a large store and having to interact with customers and employees all day has taught me to be very good at this.

>>8140749
>hikkikomori
>shutin
Go to school?
Ride bus?
How about you go back to >>>/a/.

>>8141533
>Seeing is how I'm not a complete retard

I beg to differ.

you can try this book OP

http://www.amazon.com/Shut-Stop-Whining-Get-Life/dp/0471654655

you can find it in filestube, I don't agree with all the contents in the book, but some parts of it can be very inspiring

I am reading it myself, I am like you same age, but I am not studying anymore

B0$$, get in here and tell this fake nigga OP

Move from your city, live for yourself or die in the process. It's not really that hard, what do you have to lose? nothing.

>>8141596
Beg in one hand and crap in the other and see which piles up first then.

>>8141557
Agreed. I'm pretty good at pretending I'm a normal, which is why I can get jobs.

Why would you want to stop?Stay here with us OP we will take good care of you

I wouldn't say I turned my life around, OP.

I just couldn't take being broke anymore so I sold out and decided to rejoin the rat race.

It's horseshit.

My advice is if you can get away with it stay in your room forever.

Quite a bit of the advice is rubbish because it would lead to financial ruin.

Moving out costs money. Auto insurance and petrol costs money. An entry-level job, assuming that OP hits the lotto* and finds one, would barely cover the above, and he would quickly go into debt if he is profligate and indulges in luxuries such as eating and the use of electricity.

My word to OP - take a semester off, re-evaluate things, and consider learning a trade. It's not the end of all things to drive a truck.

*by 'lotto', I mean that a higher % of applicants got into Harvard than hired at McDonalds for part-time work.

>>8141678
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>op you sound a bit like me
For fuck's sake, shut up.

eh. i dunno op you sound like you have it ok. you may break down and go full shut in after awhile. im going on 7 years. i got on disability and i could get my own place if i wanted to. i have medical and dental. i choose to stay at home. at this point i dont care.

I hate working but it's necessary

I wish I could find a job where it allows me to do mindless hard work for half a year and then gives me the rest to return to my hermit lifestyle.

I already sort of do this by quitting and finding new jobs every year but it would be nice to make a living wage and it's getting harder to get hired with my shady track record.

>>8141711
I hope to be in your situation in a few months. I applied for disability a while away

>>8141637
This is a great read so far. Not exactly polite but I'll keep plowing through it.

>>8141678
Everything costs money. I'm actually extremely frugal, and I think I could do okay (though not exactly well) on minimum wage so long as I had full-time employment.

I'm considering learning a trade, but this thread has given me motivation to continue with my degree. I can always sign up for an apprenticeship after I earn my B.A.

>>8141711
But the thing is, I'm _not_ happy. If you're happy, I wish you the best of luck in your life. I don't want to be a shut-in. I don't enjoy this life. I just had (past tense, since this thread has actually given me a ton of good advice) no idea how to change things. Thanks, guys.

>>8141713
oh yah? i posted awhile back on how to speed up the process. i got mine within 6 months after a short stint in an institution. they just raised cost of living too so i expect to get more moneys. feels good man.

>Are any of you out there recovered shut-ins? How did you turn your life around?
I wish I had turned my life around

Just kidding. I love living like this.

>>8141712
This is actually what I have started to do this year.
I have been getting short term contract work, mostly 3months/6months rolling contract job.
Took like almost 2months off earlier, now I am halfway through my current 3months contract. Cant wait to be a NEET again.
Bad thing about this is the need to travel, cant really stay at the comfort of your home.
Staying in studio without anything but your laptop sucks. I miss my figs.

I dropped out of highschool and was a shut-in from ages 15-18. I "turned my life around" by not giving a fuck what people said and thought it through. What did I want in life? At the time, I wanted to go on a trip, so I got a job. I worked until I had enough money, and then I went on that trip. When I got back I took some classes and got that same job back. That's when I realized things were better back when I was able to do what I wanted, instead of living my life around a work or class schedule.

So what did I do? I finished the classes and I quit my job. I've since gone back to being a shut-in, perhaps even "worse" than before. I sleep much later than I ever have and nowadays I'll turn around from a store if the parking lot is more full than I'd like because I can't seem to relax around people anymore. I also now realize that life really is perfect when you're left alone with your thoughts. I could go on and on about that last point, but I'll spare you the trouble of reading any more of my posts. The thing is, I feel content living my life like this, so it's what I'm going to keep doing. There isn't one thing I would change in my life at the moment. It's perfect for me.