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    1.2 MB Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:07 No.7278014  
    I need some advice.
    I've been having depressions for quite a while now and really consider killing myself. But before I do that, I thought I would try therapy first.

    So, is there anything I should look for when choosing my therapist?
    >> KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ 04/27/11(Wed)08:08 No.7278016
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    Whats the reason you're depressed OP?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:08 No.7278019
    >>>/adv/

    Delete this thread and get out.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:09 No.7278021
    >>7278019
    Sadly, mental disorders are /jp/ related.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:10 No.7278022
    Go for a 12 years old perverted loli genius whose idea of "theraphy" is bringing you to the torture chamber underneath her clinic and setting you straight by repeated whipping.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:10 No.7278023
    >>7278021
    No they aren't.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:11 No.7278025
    >>7278014

    If you really want help, OP, I suggest you start giving us some information about yourself.

    How old are you? Who do you live with? What's your occupation? Why do you think you're depressed?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:11 No.7278026
    >>7278021
    But you have to leave your room to go to therapy, so it's not related.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:11 No.7278027
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    Don't worry about wasting your money on therapy. Just follow this pic's advice.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:11 No.7278028
    >>7278016
    Life's shit. I'm shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:12 No.7278029
    >>7278019
    /adv/ is a place filled with terrible normalfags who make fun of you when you mention your fetish
    >> KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ 04/27/11(Wed)08:14 No.7278034
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    >>7278028

    well let me then ask the questions

    How old are you
    Do you go to school,uni?
    You have a job?
    Friends?
    Relationship?///Girlfriend?
    Hobby?
    >> Komeiji Koishi is my master !xIXo1SmYf2 04/27/11(Wed)08:15 No.7278035
    >>7278028
    It's all a matter of attitude!
    No matter how "miserable" your life is, with enough apathy and the right thoughts you can ignore the expections of society and enjoy a life of hedonism and maybe escapism.
    That's how I do it, and I'm pretty happy
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:16 No.7278038
    >>7278034
    I'm 29, no job, no education past high school, NEET since 2004.

    Not even going to answer the last ones.
    >> KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ 04/27/11(Wed)08:18 No.7278043
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    >>7278035
    He just needs a friend or a girlfriend.
    Even how much people say " hurr derrp I enjoy to be alone"

    OP
    The best feeling in the world isn't to hold a bag of money, to play the best games, watch your favorite anime.

    The best feeling is to wake up in the morning next to the person you love in the same bed and that she loves you , or to meet up with a friend and have a drink and talk about funny shit or daily life.

    Or when you are sick , you have people who care about you.
    >> Komeiji Koishi is my master !xIXo1SmYf2 04/27/11(Wed)08:20 No.7278050
    >>7278043
    That's silly.
    I think that most people need friends or a girlfriend to be happy, but it's not like that for everyone.
    For some people being alone or having online friends only is enough.
    >> KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ 04/27/11(Wed)08:23 No.7278053
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    >>7278038
    There are a few things you could do
    1. is to kill yourself
    2. if you feel your life has no meaning, try to use your life to help other people in africa or some other shit place
    3.Tr to change a few things in your life


    Dont rush with big changes
    start with small
    Try to go outside and walk a little and think how did you get up in this situation and how could you get out.

    and don't forget, don't blame others or the world that your life is shit.
    Blaming will solve nothing
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:24 No.7278056
    >>7278038
    I'm 23 and I guess I'll be like that too in 6 years. So far I've been able to live like >>7278035 Don't know if it'll last till 30s.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:24 No.7278058
    I dunno where you live, but shit can get pricey really fast. Make sure you know what you sign up for.
    Also: Therapy is bullshit, meds might help.

    Trust me on this.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:24 No.7278060
    >>7278043

    >The best feeling is to wake up in the morning next to the person you love while she's fucking your best friend in the same bed.

    Fixed that for you. Delicious NTR.
    >> KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ 04/27/11(Wed)08:26 No.7278063
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    >>7278050
    Calling you bullshit on that one
    I have online friends too that I like.


    but but

    Trust me there is nothing more valuable in life then friends or a boy/girl that loves you.
    The feeling that somebody cares about you , is something wonderful
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:28 No.7278066
    >>7278063
    Who would care for a disgusting neet like OP?
    I'm OP btw.
    >> Komeiji Koishi is my master !xIXo1SmYf2 04/27/11(Wed)08:28 No.7278067
    >>7278063
    Not if you are mentally crippled like me.

    >>7278056
    Ah I see , such a lifestyle is not for everyone.
    One has to be pathetic about his own future in order to live this life.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:28 No.7278068
    >>7278038
    Is there anything you enjoy doing? Anything you want to work towards? On the more general side, start exercising (walking through parks is nice) and eating a clean diet will help you feel better if only temporary,

    >>7278056
    I'm 21 and doing the exact same thing and I don't think I can keep doing it for another year; I feel too much for my financial security.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:30 No.7278070
    >>7278063
    Not op, but I have a huge inferiority complex due to my health problems and childhood traumas. So when someone, except my mother, cares about me I feel like they do this out of pity, that I don't deserve it, so I hate it and prefer to do everything without anyone's help.
    >> KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ 04/27/11(Wed)08:31 No.7278073
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    >>7278060
    So what even if it happens , Life will not hold your hand and carry you trough the days.

    Shit happens move forward, its never too late to get new friends,boyfriend or girlfriend.

    I was cheated by girls too, disappointed by some friends.

    I just moved on.
    I am in a relationship for 4 years.With a girl who never asked me for money.
    Yes its hard to find the right people , no one said its easy but its not impossible.

    Anyway I am off for a coffee now with a friend I will be back in 2 and half hours
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:31 No.7278074
    Different question: Has therapy helped anyone? Or is than just an urban legend?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:34 No.7278080
    >>7278063
    Just because that's the case for you, it doesn't make it the case for everyone else.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:35 No.7278081
    God, fuck off you retards. Depression can be serious shit.

    OP, if your depression if anything remotely as serious as I think it is, you have two ways of dealing with it.

    One is to break the habit that got you into your depressed lifestyle; being a lonely NEET with no goals and nothing to do with your life is bound to make you insane. I've been there. If you think you can do something about it on your own, like getting a job that makes you happy or something else that drastically changes your lifestyle, go for it. I just do not recommend seeking for a relationship as a way to heal yourself. Depending on your personality, it can even work to an extent, but it's far too much of a gamble. I don't think that last one is a problem for /jp/, so I won't elaborate on it.

    If you can't do anything about it, or at least you think you can't, you can probably start with any run-of-the-mill shrink that happens to be easily accessible, say, like a college shrink or something. I don't know how it is in the US, maybe the reaction of any idiot with a psychology degree there is to stuff you full of meds, but at least here, those people will just try to asset how serious your case is and then recommend someone "serious" if they feel you actually need an expert.

    Good luck, OP. Please don't give up. As someone who considered suicide for a long time and then saw a close family member commit suicide after that, there's nothing glorious or romantic about it.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:37 No.7278084
    >>7278063
    >The feeling that somebody cares about you , is something wonderful

    Right, and if he doesn't have that, you're kind of rubbing it in there. I'd like to love and be loved too but it's not about to happen.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:37 No.7278085
    >>7278068
    >Is there anything you enjoy doing?
    I don't know anymore. I guess not.
    There were things I enjoyed and could think of as meaningfull, but that was ages ago.
    Right now, all I'm doing is trying to survive the day. Escapism has stopped being fun a long time ago too.
    I guess I could try getting a job/friends/whatever again, but... why bother?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:38 No.7278089
    >>7278085

    >again

    So you had all these things? What happened? Stopped caring?
    >> >>7278081 04/27/11(Wed)08:39 No.7278091
    Like it wasn't obvious enough, do not listen to that idiotic tripfag. I didn't elaborate on that because you probably aren't going to try, but seriously, do not attempt to get into a relationship just to "feel better" without at least taking serious steps to fix yourself before.

    Getting into a relationship depressed is just asking for trouble, you are not ready for starting one until you're AT LEAST the process of fixing whatever's wrong with you, to attempt so is highly dangerous and you can seriously hurt yourself and/or other people in the process.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:40 No.7278092
    If you're feeling like killing yourself, do it, don't miss the opportunity. Don't listen to all these pro-life fags, they're just trying to justify their own existence. People are always talking about things you lose when you die, but when you're dead you can't feel regret anymore, so what difference does it make?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:40 No.7278093
    >>7278085
    >Why bother
    That's such a stupid questions.
    You are asking for help and then you say "why bother"?
    I tell you why you should bother.
    Because there is no other way.
    If you are unhappy with your situation you either have to change something or just kill yourself.
    That's why you should bother.
    Sure you think that those things won't make you happy now.
    But not having those things doesn't makes you happy either, so I think you should at least try them once before saying that they wouldn't help you
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:41 No.7278095
    >>7278063
    >nothing more valuable in life then bla bla bla

    That may be true for you but don't try to push your values on other people, I've never had a gf and I almost never meet with my "friends". But I'm perfectly happy as long as my computer runs and I have internet. Other people just bother and annoy me so I love being alone.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:42 No.7278100
    >>7278092
    One up for that.
    I wish I had the courage to just go.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:44 No.7278102
    >>7278093
    I want to add something to my post:
    Oh and if those things won't make you happy you can always just search another thing to make you happy.
    Try to murder people, get rich , fuck bitches , rescue 3rd world countries , donate organs.....

    Sooner or later you will find something to stuff this hole inside you
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:45 No.7278105
    >>7278081
    >being a lonely NEET with no goals and nothing to do with your life is bound to make you insane.

    This is such bullshit. I've been NEET for up to five years at a time and not once have I ever questioned my sanity, let alone my contentness or quality of life. I recently quit a job as a matter of fact, after realizing it made me feel down. I worked there for a week. Now that I'm NEET again I can tell that I've become the cheerful and easygoing person that I used to be. It's all about the person. For people who don't like being alone, the people who desire to be around other people but for some reason can't, well that sucks for you. That's your problem though. For people that love being alone, a NEET lifestyle is the best thing you could ask for. I've got no job, no education, no friends, no nothing. That nothingness is very reassuring in a way that you know that if there is something you want to do, you could do it and no one or anything will stop you. That's how I look at my life. If there's something I want, I find a way to get it.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:49 No.7278115
    Try that: http://www.sedona.com/
    It really helped me.
    Pirate some courses from demonoid or whatever and give it a try. It's great because you don't have to leave your room for it and you have enough time too, right?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:51 No.7278122
    >>7278095
    This. It happens too often that people try to force their definition of happiness onto you. I have not left my house for 5 to 6 years and have not once felt lonely or unhappy, yet people assume that I'm depressed and desperately need therapy. I like how I can be myself while socializing online, whereas in the real world I feel like I'm obliged to play one big game of pretend.

    Find your own happiness, OP. You could try therapy, but it did not change me in the slightest. It helped my mother though, so it might help you too.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:51 No.7278123
    >>7278093
    >If you are unhappy with your situation you either have to change something or just kill yourself.
    You probably don't understand the meaning of question "why bother?"
    I'm sure that many people here will choose to kill themselves. That's the level of apathy here.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:53 No.7278131
    >>7278115
    I'm quite skeptical when it comes to registered trademark methods of improving your life.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:53 No.7278133
    >>7278122
    >I'm obliged to play one big game of pretend.

    This is my problem as well. I think I could make friends in the outside world if I was willing to open up to people even a little.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:55 No.7278139
    I honestly don't understand people who want to kill themselves.
    I have a very crappy job, am always alone and have no future whatsoever but I sill love my life of watching anime reading manga/VNs playing games. I've been doing the same thing for almost 10 years but I feel like my whole life is just not long enough to satisfy my need to play/read/watch everything I want to.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:56 No.7278143
    >>7278089
    I lost my job, took it easy, enjoyed the neet lifestyle a little too much and you know... time flies.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:57 No.7278144
    >>7278123
    Oh sorry then I misunderstood your post.
    If you think that killing yourself is the best thing to do then I won't stop you.
    It's your decision.
    I just thought that by "why bother" you meant to
    cry around how nothing will ever make you happy and blablabla
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:58 No.7278146
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    Fuck OP and his problems, now it's portal thread.

    Does anyone have picture with bleach?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)08:58 No.7278147
    >>7278131
    Yeah man. I guess many people get turned off by that cheesy marketing stuff. It's too bad really.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:01 No.7278156
    >>7278146
    Fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:02 No.7278159
    >>7278139
    >I honestly don't understand people who want to kill themselves.
    You can't understand it because you're not depressed. Depressed people can try to justify it as "life has no meaning, so killing yourself is irrelevant," but the fact is, a mentally healthy person won't even consider doing that.

    When a person wants to kill themselves, no matter how they try to look at it in a rational way, that fact alone is enough to say there's something wrong with their mental health. Humans are designed to want to live no matter what, and that's how we act unless there's something wrong with us.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:03 No.7278160
    I dread the day when escapism stops being fun for me. I would really have nothing if I didn't enjoy reading VN's watching anime and fapping to loli doujins anymore.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:03 No.7278161
    >>7278092
    >don't miss the opportunity

    What? The only time the "opportunity" of death isn't there is when you are already dead.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:03 No.7278164
    >>7278139
    What type of job do you have? I'm currently a NEET and I would be satisfied having an income just so I can secure my future (through a large asset portfolio) and buy more escapism. I was thinking something like nightfill at a supermarket.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:05 No.7278168
    >>7278123
    Except that no one kills themselves out of apathy. Just having no reason to live is far from enough to motivate people to kill themselves. What I find stupid is when people use suicide as a comfort, thinking to themselves that no matter how bad things get, there's always a way out, so it's not that bad. In reality, these people won't have the guts even when their lives go to complete shit. When they get to the point where they promised to kill themselves, and actually have to confront the idea directly, they either end up realizing they can't do it and regret letting their lives go to shit because they were planning to die anyway, or they keep putting it off, making up some excuse for not being able to do it right now, but promising to definitely do it in a few years.

    Either way, all they do is make themselves more miserable while fooling themselves into thinking it's not that bad since suicide is always an option.
    >> Komeiji Koishi is my master !xIXo1SmYf2 04/27/11(Wed)09:06 No.7278172
    >>7278139
    For me it's curiosity.
    But I know that I will die sooner or later anyways, so there is no point in killing myself now.
    But I'm kinda looking forward to the day of my death
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:07 No.7278173
    >>7278159
    It's just your animal self-preservative instinct. But you're a human, so you can overcome it with your rational thinking, just like other instincts.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:07 No.7278174
    >>7278160
    When that time comes you have to realize that there are a lot of possibilities to fill the void. Try stuff you have not yet done before, finding a certain game genre you really like is a good way to start, because new games will never stop being created. A sport could help, too. There are a lot of ways to have fun in this world, don't limit yourself.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:14 No.7278191
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    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:14 No.7278192
    >>7278164
    Software tester, games mostly. Low pay, horrible hours and may be stressful for some, but I don't mind it. The good thing about it is that sometimes I get weeks at a time with nothing to do but browse the net and play games.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:17 No.7278204
    >>7278161
    By the opportunity I meant the moment when you're desperate enough. Just apathy and depression aren't enough to kill oneself. That's why I'm just shitposting on /jp/ and feeling sorry for myself all the day instead of being dead. You actually need something to push you over the edge.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:20 No.7278211
    Treating this is a general life advice thread, I was wondering, how viable would it be to get a job that allows you to work from home and move to a place where you can have a really good living standard for a really low price, like the Philippines, and just taking it easy for the rest of your life with minimal effort to pay for rent and food, and technically never needing to leave your house?

    I mean, it's not like anyone on /jp/ would have to worry much about minor details like having to move away from friends and family.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:25 No.7278231
    >>7278192
    That does sound decent, to me anyway because I don't mind bad times or pay, as long as they're paying me the minimum wage and giving me enough hours. Though I'd probably crack under that type of job...

    >>7278211
    The only 'work' I tried from home is currency exchange, Wouldn't recommend it, its basically like gambling and even then, the pay-out is really slow if you're playing it safe.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:26 No.7278234
    >>7278211
    Not a clue, but that sounds awesome; except
    >Philippines
    Enjoy your earthquakes and tsunamis
    >> S BENZ 04/27/11(Wed)09:27 No.7278237
    /jp/ the only board in which the 'membership' wants to actively decrease!
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:27 No.7278240
    >>7278231
    How do you go about currency exchange exactly. Do you just live near an airport or another international hub and head down there every couple months to exchange a couple thousand *derpsderps* for a couple ten thousand *herpherps* and then re-deposit into your bank account and then...

    What? Do currency values really even shift often enough to generate income anyway?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:31 No.7278252
    >>7278240
    It's done online through a broker. Basically what you're doing is betting if the currency will go up or if it will go down. For each $0.0001 change in the USD, you will profit or loss depending on how much you put down. It's been a while since I've done it but I only used the smallest amount, which was like 10c profit for every 0.0001 change.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:31 No.7278253
    >>7278234
    Well, mugen still lives, so it can't be that bad.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:34 No.7278262
    >>7278252
    This is done in currency pairs, so USD compared to say.. the yen or something like that. How much you gain or lose per 0.0001 is up to you, eg. 10c, $1, $10, $100, etc. but you have enough money to bet for that amount. Something like $10 if betting 10c, $100 if betting $1, etc. It is quite complicated.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:35 No.7278266
    >>7278262
    How much money did you make in a month doing that? O_O
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:35 No.7278267
    >>7278211
    If it worked that way there would be no poor countries, because everyone in these countries would look for online job from richer country.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:35 No.7278269
    >>7278266
    Fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:36 No.7278270
    >>7278266
    -1000$
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:36 No.7278271
    >>7278253
    >mugen still lives
    That's exactly what's wrong with the Philippines.

    On the other hand, I have never seen Arisa post again. There's no fairness in this world.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:36 No.7278273
    >>7278266
    Like $10 a week if I was lucky. It's too slow and risky in my opinion.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:38 No.7278277
    >>7278273
    Figured...

    Owell, I still have some more time to do nothing with my life, still plenty of time to come up with a way to make money, still time, still time...

    And if all else fails there's always the "sucking dick in an alley" plan to fall back on.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:38 No.7278278
    >>7278267
    Except they do. Not everyone, since not many people actually know enough English and have other useful skills. And not everyone gets lucky always too, but it works.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:44 No.7278291
    >>7278211
    I did have a kind of "online job"; farming money in mmos, Anarchy and later EvE, and selling it. Used to make like 300-500$ in a good week, got a few accounts banned but that didn't stop me. What did stop me was inflation and stupid chinese farmers driving the prices into the ground.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:44 No.7278292
    >>7278267
    But if you're born in a rich country, isn't it just a matter of getting a job before moving? I guess there might be some issues in regards to citizenship, which is why I'm asking, was hoping someone could enlighten me on how to make a plan like this work.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:49 No.7278298
    Someone tell me which offline job I should get.
    Anything that needs zero qualifications.
    I can't shoulder the responsibility alone.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:51 No.7278302
    I have a very silly goal. I live in Australia and our banks generally give 6%ish return on term deposits, so I'm trying to drag myself out of the house and find a low-paying job so I can start saving. I figure at 6% return, if I had a large enough principal amount then I could just live off the interest. Something like 500k would give $30k/year pre-tax and whatever I don't use (most of it, going to live with parents for ages) will be reinvested back in. Granted it'd take me until I am 40-45 if I'm lucky to pull this off, that and I still have to work through my huge anxiety and getting out-of-the-house problem first.

    I think too far ahead in the future.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:52 No.7278306
    >>7278298
    Street-sweeper, loader.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:54 No.7278310
    >>7278302
    Ever heard of inflation?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:55 No.7278312
    >>7278310
    Don't kill the mood.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:57 No.7278319
    >>7278302
    This essentially would work if you don't piss away your money like most people in the western (and fuck it, probably eastern) world do. Most people would have already saved enough money to live in modest living conditions after one or two decades no matter what shit job they're working, but everyone spends money on stupid shit that they don't need.

    My father get's paid a six digit salary, and has for about a decade. Before that, he was making between 45K and 80K. He is now in his early 50s with two mortgages on his house and almost no money to his name because he pisses away his money on expensive cars, animals (no I'm not kidding, he buys horses, sheep, goats, etc. just for the fun of it), expensive computers that he doesn't really use, expensive ass furniture (again, I'm not kidding)....etc. etc.

    Just four months ago he bought a fucking greenhouse saying that he was going to grow vegetables and shit in it to eat and cut down on grocery costs. ... He has yet to grow a single damn thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)09:58 No.7278321
    >>7278310
    Yeah, it's roughly 3% per year in Australia. As long as I keep my expenses really low I should be okay, but I doubt I'll really buy thousands of dollars of anime/vn goods. Only problem is when my parents pass on.
    >> wtH !HELLB/V.96 04/27/11(Wed)10:01 No.7278329
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    well i go to therapy...didn't really choose my therapist because one of the higher ups must have chosen the best match for me...so i guess it depends on the problem. it's HELL but it HELLps =/
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)10:03 No.7278332
    >>7278319
    Yeah people adjust to their income and spend accordingly. But knowing that, I'm still shocked hearing stories like yours.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/11(Wed)10:05 No.7278338
    >>7278319
    I wonder how better we're off financially by simply not being interested in drinking and partying every weekend.



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