I thought it was Shannon who was supposed to be the fatty. George was the pussyface.

FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT
FAT... I FEEL G.O.O.D

Unrelated
Is Batora's family white or japanese

do not want.

>>5754351

They're japunaise, but the guy calling the shots is a giant reverse weeaboo so he forces everybody to give their kids common American names like Krayss and Kyrie with his decrepit lunatic magics.

Gabe Newell?

George isn't fat, as Shannon joked that he might get fat. He also does matrial arts. Just because you are fat you shouldn't let it out on George.

>>5754365
>Bad Wigs
>Fat people
Only the Jessica seems okay.

>>5754351
Spanish.

>>5754341
That's right Shanon is fatty
George is skinny

Is there anyone who likes George? Other than R07?

>>5754403
Here

>>5754332
>implying you aren't fat aswell

Best Cosplay of George i've ever seen
because he can
FAP FAP FAP

>>5754418
...Why?

All of the george haters, are really FAT

>>5754429
I think he is realistic. Admiting that he looked down on the cousins. he is pretty down to earth and has cool moments. Fighting Gaap and Eva Beato. He can keep his cool and also seems to work hard for his goals. Sacrificing his family for Shannon isn't exactly nice but hell Kinzo would have done the same and you all love him. Also I can understand it somehow... If I were given the cance to somehow get with the girl I love I would sacrifice quite a lot and not play the moral fag. Going openly after one's desire is something I admire.

>>5754420
>implying I can eat something other than dry bread and fruits.

>>5754494

George is the most obviously evil 1986 character after Kyrie.

>>5754343
Someone draw this. Please.

>>5754526

>>5754365
Erika looks like a hooker. Is the fucker on the right supposed to be GM Battler?

>>5754429

>>5754365
>Kanon
>Wearing blush
>Padded bra
Shkannonfag detected.

>>5754537

Only Japanese people should cosplay Japanese characters.

>>5754365
What the fuck happened to Beatrice? More like Golden Slut now.

>>5754518
You might call him evil I don't care I still like him. Maybe because he isn't portrayed like a complete moralfag.

>>5754561
Golden slut? More like golden transvestite

posting superior

What bothers me in Umineko cosplayis that people who do it instead of buying a real suit they prefer to make their own shitty suits

>>5754592
But if you buy your own suit, there is no love that goes into making it. Without love it cannot be seen.

>>5754566

'Not being a moralfag' doesn't have to entail 'being willing to kill your entire family for LOVE'. That's just crazy.

And for those who say "Ryukishi is willing to justify murder as long as it's for LOVE" need to play Higurashi again.

>>5754580

But she's Japanese. Dlanor is supposed to be British.

>>5754606
Obligatory

>>5754502
>implying it's only the food that makes you fat

Why do cosplayers are always
FAT
FAT
FAT?

>>5754607
That's like your opinion. Those people who might have been really important to him were dead anyway. So why not choose the rest who you don't care about instead of your loved one or yourself. I find that answer a lot more reasonable. Self sacrifice is something not everyone can do or is willingly to do. not everyone can be Jessica.

>>5754494
This guy is the next head of the ushiromiya family

How many threads are you going to make about George being fat?

>>5754690
>Fat butthurt George lover

>>5754706
I think OP is the butthurt one.

>>5754672

Murder is justifiable under very few circumstances. Doing it so you and your loved one can live together is not one of them.

Can't George family afford him a liposuction/personal trainer?

It's on the news all the time people who kill because of their lovers are cheating on them

>>5754627
It's the main reason behind it. You can lose kilos of weight by changing your eating habits.

>>5754736

And this makes it OKAY...?

>>5754720
It may be wrong, but you can also do it anyway, mostly by not giving a shit.

>>5754624

>>5754754

...Which makes George a bad person.

>>5754737
Eh. The people who are insanely fat could obviously do that, but saying changing what they eat will change that is a little shortsighted. Even if they eat what's generally healthy for a person, what's generally healthy for a person is based on what physical activity is expected of the average person. So actually burning calories they consume is a larger part than eating less. When you eat is also very important. Fat people who don't eat around others during the day for long periods, but only alone at night since they're embarrassed are doing it wrong. What's funny is the more often someone eats, the better their metabolism will be. To a certain point.

>>5754775
That all depends on whether he actually killed anyone or not. It's the action that counts, not the thought. Compared to some other people, he's usually around Battler too much to kill anyone.

>>5754783
Oh, that one I didn't have

>>5754792
>It's the action that counts, not the thought.

I... disagree with this. Even if he never killed anyone (and he usually can't for the reason you cited), the fact that he's WILLING to do so proves that he's a bad person and could easily be a mastermind/working for the mastermind.

>>5754751
You are saying that that it isn't okay...
It of course isn't okay but I can understand doing it. I don't think I would do a revenge murder because that wouldn't bring me anything but choosing myself and the women I love over some family I don't really care about that much...Hell yeah I would

>>5754796
And I didn't have yours

>>5754796

>>5754800

Then you'll get caught, go to prison, and be separated from your loved one anyway.

Your ideals might SEEM noble but in the end it's better to not kill anyone at all.

>>5754799
He says he's willing to do so, but until he does it, he can't be judged. People seem to take that 'pieces can't act against their natures' thing Dlanor said that one time a bit literally. In that case, all the cousins are capable of killing for certain purposes.

>>5754814
Not everyone who kills is caught.

>>5754822
Another one I didn't have!

>>5754816

Every single person on the island (except, perhaps, Battler) is capable of murder, yes.

>>5754818

If you were in George's exact situation, yes, you would be.

And you never know if you WON'T be caught. Even if you have the chance to escape conviction, the guilt will be following you for the rest of your life. You'll never truly be free, and eventually your pink narration will change to a deep red and you'll start seeing aliens.

It's not worth it.

>>5754365
Battler towards the right isn't that bad.

>>5754836
Even Maria?

>>5754814
If I let get myself get caught that is. Also if I were to believer your words I am fucked anyway. Two options get me nowhere. Myself dead or my loved one. Both are shit without no hope. But killing the rest...that way I might have a chance.

Also you seem to forget that...even though I think I will do that and even try doesn't mean I really can. I never shoot someone before...I don't know how it feels like to kill someone. I could now proclaim that I'm gonna kill the whole family and relaly believe that this is the right choice but if I am really able to kill them is another story.

>>5754846
The original picture where?

>>5754846
Wow, another one!

>>5754840

Maria could and would kill her mother, given the chance. Ep4 proves this much.

>>5754844
>If I let get myself get caught that is.

The police are far, far more competent than fiction gives them credit for.

Wait, so there are people who still haven't realized that George is the culprit?

>>5754870
And like I said that way I at least have a chance may that chance be slim..as long it isn't 0% I will take it. And the bigger the risk the better the outcome

>>5754878
stop forcing this you double witch

>>5754878

I know you're just trolling, but he has very little opportunity to kill anyone in most episodes.

>>5754865
I'm not the one who draw them, so I don't have the originals

>>5754868

>>5754879
>And the bigger the risk the better the outcome

The only people who believe this are delusional nutjobs, chronic gamblers, or witches.

>>5754906

At least she's Asian.

She just needs to be about, oh, thirty years older. Then we have accuracy.

>>5754906
Natsuhi is Supposed to be in her 40s/50s

>>5754912
>>5754914
Sry but it's the only one i've got of her

>>5754897
Another Nanjo

>>5754720
>Murder is justifiable-
No it's not. 'Justifiable' murder is called homicide and is only justified when it's self defence.

>>5754926
last one

>>5754870

Maria killing Rosa? how? I doubt Maria is physically capable of harming Rosa in anyway, Rosa would knock her out before Maria can even do much damage. Also Maria does love Rosa. In EP6 Maria went Batshit insane and attacked Kanon when she found Rosa dead.

>>5754365
Laugh at them all you want, but you all know you would dress up with a Battler Cape at home.

>>5755010
And in eisode 4 she killed her repeatly.

I've filled the Gaap's in this one

>>5754886
In every episode at midnight, he meets with Sayo at "same place, same time" before victims start appearing.

>>5754962
DIABEETUS

>>5755038
That was the bad witch.

>>5755038

She apparently was killing the 'Black Witch' that is possesing Rosa.

>>5754952

That's why I said "under very few circumstances". Finish reading the sentence, dipshit.

Also, laws =/= morals. What is justifiable under a legal system and what is justifiable under a moral system are two very different things and you won't become an adult until you understand that.

>>5755010
>how?

Go read Crooked House.

As for Maria loving Rosa... well, as I recall from spoilers, the Maria in that Ep6 scene is MARIA, as Sakutaro is alive for her. For Piece-Maria, Sakutaro is dead and it's all Rosa's fault and Rosa deserves to die for being a terrible, terrible mother. You can't tell me you've forgotten Ep4 already.

Note that I am not saying Maria actually DID kill her mother, but rather that she COULD. Everyone except Battler has a 'reason' to commit murder. Hell, I'm not even sure Battler doesn't.

>>5755053

...Which is Maria's justification for it, yes.

>>5754580

Someone post the other good Dlanor cosplays.

>>5755092

Please?

>>5754925
The George one is wrong
This is the correct one

>>5755146
When are you going to nerf that fucking sentry shield, George? Shit's ridiculous.

>>5755151
l2kill engineers
next you'll say mediguns are OP.

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5714106#p5715160 this is the thread that has the pictures I'm talking about, of Dlanor cosplays.

>>5755146
>>5754925
Someone please shoop George onto Wayne Knight's pic.

>>5755190
It's really shitty but here it is

>>5755307
Someone shop the cloak and golden eagle.

http://www.ipodsforeducation.org.uk/?ref=1335

>>5754886
No, actually, George does have a very likely chance of being the true culprit. It's either him or Jessica.

George kills his whole family, lives with Sayo, and has a happy end!

>>5755410
Then she divorces him and keeps all the gold to her

George is one of the only 5 people who aren't confirmed to be one of the first victims!

>>5755433
List of reasons to kill George right off the bat
>
>
>....
He's dumb, has no relation to the events and is fat, why kill him when you can kill Rudolf, or Kyrie?

>>5755450
>has no relation to the events
So what is his relationship with Sayo?
inb4 there'snothingstrangeatallaboutSayo

>>5755461
Just saying that Sayo never told him anything, would YOU tell him something? He'd spill the beans early thanks to Eva.

>>5755468
>He'd spill the beans early thanks to Eva.
Nothing of the sort, George is an independent man.

>>5755484
that has a 8 out of 10 in the weird relationship with your mother scale.
Anime boob diving was excellent in that regard.

>ep2
>The servants are trying to tell what happened to Kumasawa and Nanjo but they can't
>George looks at Gohda
>Gohda starts telling the story

Milk

>>5755492
George wants revenge against the family because all his life he has only been just a tool for Eva to acquire the headship.
Alternatively, he killed just for love.

>>5755515
This only makes it more clear that George is a big fat baby

>>5755518
If George is the culprit, I'll go to Japan to break the author's legs.
Shkanontrice was just a few punches in face and back, also a kick in the ass.

>>5755529
Too bad because it's the truth!
George is the real culprit and Sayo is his most important accomplice!
Alternatively, just swap their roles!

Why is everyone so disrespectful towards Ushiromiya George?
He is the demon king, you know...

Seriously, George is such an obviously evil dude that the main argument against his guilt is how unsurprising it would be. He's the only person in the cast who I really could see killing everybody else to get money or freedom, without having to assume insanity.

>>5755557
>Why is everyone so disrespectful towards Ushiromiya FAT?
>He is the FAT king, you know...

If Lardass and Shannon love each other so much, how come they've never been chosen for the second twilight?

>>5755590
Too easy.
Either shannon is dead and/or george is with the cousins.

>>5755529
>Theory I like
This is a quite plausible theory with lots of foreshadowing, let me explain...
>Theory I don't like
GODDAMN, THAT'S BULLSHIT! STOP MAKING SHIT UP, THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S TRUE, FUCKING RYUKISHI!

Seriously, what's wrong with Umineko threads, they are like console wars. But with theories.

>>5755518
>George wants revenge against the family because all his life he has only been just a tool for Eva to acquire the headship.

Yeeeah. I know this is a possible motive but...If this was the case then really the only people george should take revenge agaisnt is Eva and possibly Hideyoshi. The same can be said with the love motive (As if the rest of the family gives a shit about his love life)

>>5755500

>>5755334

>>5755597
I can't accept they have foreshadowing and whatever, taht doesn't forgive the author for using a cheap, contrived, corny and retarded move to give an answer.
That's why.

>>5755568

Correction: Eva too.

Like mother, like son. Those two are cold blooded motherfuckers.

Kyrie's another one, but the list pretty much ends there (Natsuhi would be crazy enough, but she was redtexted to be innocent).

>>5755500
>>5755600
Okay, I laughed.

>>5755609
>can't
can*, way to change the meaning

>>5755611
>Kyrie's another one
Kyrie dies first twice, though, whick makes for a really shitty mastermind.

I'm laughing my arse so hard.
What do you guys have against poor George? I mean, sure, he's a bit chubby, but hell... I'm laughing so hard.

>>5755598
>The same can be said with the love motive (As if the rest of the family gives a shit about his love life)
Joji-sama... let's go... to the Golden Land...

>>5755633
He doesn't fit, literally, in umineko.
Without him we get a BeatoxBattler end with Jessica as a lesbic bro. Where do you fit George there?

I wish I had that screenshot from ep2 where George swears that he will take Shannon for himself and wouldn't allow anyone else to touch her.

he is only a miserable FAT16, the future lies with FAT32

>>5755633
>What do you guys have against poor George?

It's a mixture of several things. I dislike him because of how hard R07 tries to force the reader to like him by heaping praise on him... him and his "maturity" that mainly shows as barely-disguised uncaring selfishness and a knack for steering the conversation away from awkward topics that need to be addressed sooner rather than later.

>>5755633
They just haters gonna hate.
They don't like him being the culprit and keep being in denial.

>>5755649
Dude, why all the hate for poor George. It's a love square not a triangle. No hate for Jessica, just because she has tits and ass? You should be ashamed! Back up a bro, back up George!

Also, I'd also blame that slutty maid for swagging her arse at George and Jessica. I mean, come on, neither of them could get any until she decided to whore herself around.

This is when Battler should pull a Shiki and put that maid in her place.

>>5755663
>R07 tries to force the reader to like him by heaping praise on him
Ryukishi isn't forcing an opinion on any character.
Hell look how Erika turned out.
>him and his "maturity" that mainly shows as barely-disguised uncaring selfishness and a knack for steering the conversation away from awkward topics that need to be addressed sooner rather than later.
And this is why I don't understand how people can't see that he is tremendously suspicious.

>>5755665
You are confusing him with Shkanontrice, the worst culprit of a mystery ever.

>>5755675
Because Jessica can actuallly be a bro, George would try to NTR Shkanon.

>>5755680
But I told you.
George is the culprit, not Sayo.

>>5755692
I don't know which is worse, everyone would be happy if George was the only one to die in the last ep.

>>5755701
>I don't know which is worse
Well, good sir, it seem you are lacking in love!

>>5755675

>No hate for Jessica, just because she has tits and ass?

Jessica is liked (better than george the least) because she is Moralistic and down to earth. She doesn't want or is willing to kill her family for her love which unlike George.

>>5755719
I can't trust an author that makes Stephen King's ends look intelligent.

>>5755719

I have hate, that's kind of like love.

>>5755680
What?
Turned out that your favorite theory was wrong?

>>5755725
>She doesn't want or is willing to kill her family for her love which unlike George
Kinzo would be proud of George.

>>5755688
When has Jessica been a bro? She may be a nice person, but other than that, she seems to b dumb as fuck. (Keyword: Seems - I don't know if anything lies behind her seemingly blatant stupidity,)

I swear man, I don't know what could be worse, getting NTR'd by your fat cousin, or by your female cousin.

>>5755726
>I can't trust
Stop reading or stop theorizing, then.

>>5755732
Explain to me why she isn't a shitty villain and a cheap way to bypass the red. LOL I CAN SWITCH PERSONALITIES AT WILL AND CAN EVEN KILL THEM!
It made my suspension of disbelief stop working.

>>5755736

Yes he would have been. Probably the only one who would like George for this aspect.

>>5755725
You don't like him because he seems to be screwed up but at the same time you don't want him to be the culprit?

>>5754580

No one has more?

>>5755753
Remember Sakutarou?

>>5755725
>She doesn't want or is willing to kill her family for her love which unlike George.

BUT SHE ENDED UP KILLING HER FAMILY EITHER WAY IN EP6!

Putting up an argument about morals but then not keeping up with it, simply because is not convenient fr you is not being a bro, that's being a flat out hypocrite. At least, fat George is honest!

You're all just Jeallyous of Joji-kun
because he is rich, smart, and has a hot banging girlfriend

>>5755772
The plushie was broken=Sakutarou died
That makes sense as he was never a part of Maria's personality, just an imaginary friend in plushie form.
What I posted doesn't make sense, however.

Please post more pics of Fat George faggots. Those were killing me.

Mexican Hideyoshi would be welcome too.

>>5755784
No, his life is actually pretty shitty.

Is there a John-style pasta for George?

>>5755787
>That makes sense as he was never a part of Maria's personality, just an imaginary friend in plushie form
Oh really? Sakutarou was acknowledged by the red text.
And at the scene with Rosa, he was talking through Maria's mouth.
How is any different from Shkanon?
The only difference is the vessel, Sakutarou has a stuffed animal, while Shkanon only has her body.

>>5755773

Jessica was reluctant to do it and would have backed out if Kyrie did not tell Jessica about the hell she had to put up with for 18 years. Which did give Jessica the motivation to kill for her love and therefore went Terminator mode (or 'possesed' If you want to call it that way)

She was also the only one who was agaisnt the whole love trial at least in the beggining....

Who would Shia Labeouf pla?

>>5755813
I know broski, but all she did was talk the talk, she never walked the walk. The former is mere hypocrisy.

>>5755812
You missed the part of 'Sakutarou is Maria's piece'?
He isn't Maria, he isn't a part of her personality nor another new personality, again, it's like saying your imaginary friend is another personality, while it obviously is just something you made up.

>>5755815
The new guy from Episode 7

>>5755824
MOAR!

>>5755836o
Oooooooooooooh...! You're Wright!

Battler is still missing, though.

This thread is making me giggle, I take my leave.

>>5755829
>You missed the part of 'Sakutarou is Maria's piece'?
Okay then, then let's just say that Kanon is just Shannon's piece, and Shannon dresses as him to fulfill his role.

>>5755836
Which one?

im impartial about george but he's suspicious as hell when he climbs out the window in ep 3, what makes you think he doesn't do that every episode and comes back after the killings

it was already proven that jessica/battler are too asleep to notice anything, he's the guy with the power to move the bodies also who knows what type of things he hides under his fat

>>5755854
That sounds even more ridiculous than DID, dude.

>>5755884
>Hey Shannon, let's meet outside, same place, same time.
>Victims start appearing.
Seriously, the meeting of these two is almost the starting signal for the killings.

>>5755899
But it would be the same as Sakutarou, which you have no problem with, right?

If Wright and Van Dine don't start fucking up the fantasy shit I'll disappoint

>>5755923
The best thing about Van Dine is that even he can't deny the possibility of Shkanontrice being the culprit, since the Beato personality isn't a servant!

>>5755931
N-NO!

>>5755908
Actually I have a problem with that.
Sakutarou was only alive when Maria was with him, the memories it had weere shared with Maria and could only work with her alongside.
Clmpletely different from a real case of DID, like Shkanon, one of them completely disappears to let the other take control. All Maria did was imaginig a voice and putting it to voice a doll, which is esentially different from Shkanon.
nd let's remember that kanon and shannon have the exact same status, thanks for that ep6.

>>5755908
No, because kids playing with stuffed dolls and imagining they are real is fairly normal. People doing that on themselves is flat-down ridiculous, don't you agree?

In addition, for the Sakutaro argument, we have the whole thing about his host - i.e. the stuffed doll being dead, making Maria believe he's dead, which works. What would cause Shannon, Kanon or Beatrice think their other personalities are dead if their host is their own body, and if it dies, they three of them die along with it? It makes no sense at all! Don't you agree?

The whole deal about love is to have trust on the author, why not trust R07 can pull an actual good explanation on this whole matter?

>>5755931
FUCKING VAN DINE OUGHT TO HAVE DENIED FURNITURE!

>>5755948
>Clmpletely different from a real case of DID
I doubt that you could call it a "real case of DID", but my point is that, even Sakutarou WHO WAS A FUCKING IMAGINARY FRIEND was acknowledged by the red text (they even use the word "revive" instead of repair, which would be the correct term for a stuffed animal) so why not a personality?
>>5755962
>What would cause Shannon, Kanon or Beatrice think their other personalities are dead
The person Sayo ends up falling in love with.

>>5755848
There was one with Battler, unfortunately I don't have it at the moment.

>>5755973
You have a problem with furniture?

Van Dine's 6th
>6. The detective novel must have a detective in it; and a detective is not a detective unless he detects.
>not a detective unless he detects.
you lost me

>>5755962
>The whole deal about love is to have trust on the author, why not trust R07 can pull an actual good explanation on this whole matter?
The whole deal about trust on the author isn't about hoping that he will write the ending you want, is about not doubting the hints he has given you so far.

>>5756058
The guy sure worried about the wording.

Robert Pattison as Battler

>>5756082
This one's shitty, there was a different one.
Also anyone has the pic with the cast of "Charmed" as Asmo, Beelzebub and Lucifer?

Van Dine's 8th
>A reader has a chance when matching his wits with a rationalistic detective, but if he must compete with the world of spirits and go chasing about the fourth dimension of metaphysics, he is defeated ab initio.
Van Dine's 11th
>11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit.
Van Dine's 16th
>16. A detective novel should contain no long descriptive passages, no literary dallying with side-issues, no subtly worked-out character analyses, no "atmospheric" preoccupations. such matters have no vital place in a record of crime and deduction.
So he's gonna pop two or three veins when he sees that R07 fucked with pretty much half of his rules?

>>5756094

>>5756015
>The person Sayo ends up falling in love with.

Man, seriously, this sounds terribly as if you're pulling on straws. To begin with, if we assume this whole game has been set-up by Sayo in order to have Battler remember something, doesn't that mean that, from the beginning, he's her main choice?

Additionally, how does this work in EP1? In EP2 Kanon died first, followed by Shannon. In EP3 both of them died, same in EP4. In EP5 none of them die. In EP6, George and Shannon won the love duel, but, if we follow Shakanon(trice), she still went to save Battle's ass from that closed room. Hell, she even went down a window in the middle of the storm!

>>5756103
>11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit.
This one is still intact, good sir.

>>5756105
Thanks.

>>5754796
Eva the Vampire Slayer

>>5756058
This means that the character chosen as the detective has to go around and play his role. He cannot remain laying his ass down doing nothing, while waiting for answers to come to him.

>>5756114
>doesn't that mean that, from the beginning, he's her main choice?
I don't think so, she fell in love with George after she was "betrayed" by Battler forgetting the promise and not returning for 6 years. Battler returning unexpectedly probably just made her want to make him remember the promise, not out of love but hurt feelings.
When Battler remembers though, the spiteful Shannon started to remember why she loved Battler (symbolized by Beatrice the younger) and the Beatrice part of soul acquires the same "weight" as Kanon and Shannon.

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>>5756114
>how does this work in EP1?
We never get to know if Shannon or Kanon are dead.
>In EP2 Kanon died first, followed by Shannon
If Jessica dies, of course, Kanon would die as well, as the reason for his existence would be lost (ep6 symbolism, I know...)
Same for Shannon.
>In EP3 both of them died
Battler wins.
>EP4
Battler wins.

Regarding ep5 and 6... those gameboards are very confusing to say the least, and they are interrupted mid-game, so I don't really know.

>>5756066
The problem with the hints is that the whole Shkanon(trice) thing is far too contrived, that'd I'd rather think I'm viewing things wrong, and that the author has an actual intelligent answer waiting for he who seeks for it.

That, my friend, is what I believe love is.

>>5756174
That's not love, that's just being delusional and projecting your expectations that are far too big on this game.

Love would be accepting Umineko and R07 even despite their shortcomings.

>>5756166
But in EP2 we were never told she was dead. In fact, many things seem to point out she wasn't dead.

Also, what marks whether she falls for one of the characters? In EPs 1 and 2 she accepted George's proposal, yet George got killed in EP2 nonetheless.

Battler was right.
Those humans started complaining again about how this isn't a mystery...

>>5756203
>But in EP2 we were never told she was dead. In fact, many things seem to point out she wasn't dead.
But if Sayo thinks she is dead, then game over for Kanon.
>In EPs 1 and 2 she accepted George's proposal
Following your same reasoning, we are never told that George proposed marriage to her.
For all we know, they could be plotting the killings.

>>5756191
Nuh-uh my friend. See?

>expectations that are far too big on this game

That means you have no faith that R07 cannot write an answer without relying to extremely convoluted devices like multiple personalities that can be created and killed at whim.

>>5756208
EP5
>it's a mystery, guys, see how I'm constantly referencing mystery novels and using the rules for mystery fiction to write it
EP6
>wait why are you guys trying to solve it like it's a mystery?
oh boy I wonder why people are complaining, better put that in the game text so I look smarter for having anticipated them.

>>5756232

I know I've said this before, but he CAN be internally consistent even if the answer is impossible to guess. Higurashi can prove that.

The problem with Shkanontrice isn't that it's impossible to guess, but that it's stupid.

>>5756238
>it's a mystery, guys, see how I'm constantly referencing mystery novels and using the rules for mystery fiction to write it
Yeah, the fact that it was the bad guys the ones who were doing this sure HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH IT.

>>5756242
Explain right now how it isn't consistent.

>>5756246
they were the detective side, don't bring childish definitions such as good guys and bad guys into this

>>5756266
And they also had no love.

>>5756228
>But if Sayo thinks she is dead, then game over for Kanon.

But chances are really high Shaknon is involved in this ploy. Are you going to tell me Jessica hypnotised Shannon into thinking she's dead so Kanon would die or something like that?

>Following your same reasoning, we are never told that George proposed marriage to her.
>For all we know, they could be plotting the killings.

Then this would mean that Fat George and Sayo were always together since the beginning and that she had already chosen from the very beginning. Not to mention this scene has been shown in several games already.

We should also take into account, there's also this whole scenario she's created so that Battler remembers something!

Seriously man, for a theory, this is too contrived.

I'll agree you can pass it with the Red and the Knox Rules, and maybe even Dine depending on how you pull your way through it, but it's just too contrived. I won't deny the possibility, I'm just point that one fact.

>>5756254

The following things are inconsistent across episodes and even inside episodes:

The definition of furniture and how it relates to multiple personalities.

When and how personalities die, and when they're counted as people.

Multiple personalities themselves.

What the red text is supposed to be.

Whether or not dead people count as people.

Whether or not what the detective sees can be regarded as true.

How many people know about Shkanon(trice) and why they'd never bring this up in conversation.

Whether or not the games are reality or fiction.


That's all I can think of, but I'm sure there's many more. The trick here, in any case, is to find a way to have all of these things make sense.

>>5756272
Lambda is full of love you faggot.

Also, the whole deal about trust between reader and author was stated by people other than Bern and 34, Dlanor said the same, which Battler took to heart and solved the bloody game!

>>5756302
None of these are inconsistent.

>>5756288
>But chances are really high Shaknon is involved in this ploy
Then let's just say that for some reason, Jessica refused Kanon's love (discovering crossdressing maybe counts). Kanon has no longer a reason to live.
>Then this would mean that Fat George and Sayo were always together since the beginning and that she had already chosen from the very beginning
No, because Sayo is still leaving Battler for the end.

>>5756311
>Lambda is full of love you faggot.

Evil love.

>>5756316

...Yes. They are. There has never been an in or out of game explanation for any of these things that I've seen.

HEY
HEY
HEY

>>5756302
All of these things have been addressed, somewhat, even if you think the explanations are rubbish. Explanations have been had, I think.

>>5756344

...They have been addressed, but the explanations and definitions keep changing. That's my point.

>>5756311
Lambda was on the detective side in episode 5?
Also, the conclusion Battler reached was that "Beato made her games solvable" but she didn't leave a step by step guide about how to solve it.

>>5756324
That would only be the case if Kanon's meaning in "life" was to love her. So he was created for her...whcih is highly unlikely and stupid.

>>5756238
>wait why are you guys trying to solve it like it's a mystery?
HE JUST TOLD YOU THAT FANTASY SCENES WERE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS ANY OTHER, GODDAMN.

>>5756324
>Then let's just say that for some reason, Jessica refused Kanon's love (discovering crossdressing maybe counts). Kanon has no longer a reason to live.

Then why is she playing dead? (Let us assume she is.)


>No, because Sayo is still leaving Battler for the end.

Then why did she create all these personalities in the first place, if Battler is her only love? Spares?

>>5756352

The Knox Rules are the step-by-step guide.
By the way.... I've felt for a long time that there's an essential element that none of us have ever managed to grasp, and that's what Battler found that allowed him to solve the mystery.

Any ideas for what that essential element might be?

>>5756356
>So he was created for her...whcih is highly unlikely and stupid
Why?
For all we know everything regarding Sayo and her beautiful mind started because of love.

>>5756369
>Then why did she create all these personalities in the first place, if Battler is her only love?
You are assuming she has complete control over her emotions, which is obviously not the case.

>>5756341
Fits just perfectly

>>5756370
Love

>>5756350
When have they been changed? Can you provide an example?

>>5756352
She didn't leave a step-by-step guide to solve it, which is why Bern called for the Knox, which Battler did use to solve the mystery.

>>5756375
Because it was stated that Kinzo created Kanon and Shannon. If it were only for Jessica...than Jessica would have created Kanon.

>>5756370
>The Knox Rules are the step-by-step guide.
Maybe, but you could never solve it using only those rules.

>>5756375

That movie isn't about DID, but schizophrenia. Learn your disorders: One is objectively proven to exist, the other is not.

>>5756407
I keep telling you, I don't think Ryukishi is using any kind of real life disease nor do I care.
What's important is that Shannon and Kanon are the same person.

>>5756386
She probably doesn't. No one probably does.
But she clearly has preferences. Why create personalities at all?

I mean, seriously, Battler leaves the island for 6 years, period in which she fell for George. Okay, that's understandable, she moved on. BUT NO! She also created another personality that, apparently, fell in love with Jessica (assuming, she didn't create it, because she wasn't already in love with her). And then, when to make things worse, when Battler returns, George and Jessica can go fuck themselves, unless Battler cannot remember.

Hell... those are some seriously hellish inner conflicts!

>>5756392

Somehow, I expected to hear this. But no, that's not it.

It's something bigger. Gotta be. Something we're just refusing to see...

>>5756395

Examples?

Genji is referred to as "furniture", yet doesn't seem to be an incomplete being. No, Ronove does not count, he doesn't exist.

In Ep6, red text suddenly went from "the only objective truth in existence" to "something that can be contradicted".

>>5756401

Not "Kinzo", but "Father". "Father" could be anybody.

Although, if it is Kinzo...

>>5756440
In the episode 2 tips it was stated that they were both created by Kinzo.

Sayo is Nanjo's sick grandaughter, and they are trying to treat her disorder on the island.

>>5756433

A disease that doesn't exist would break the Knox rules.

Furthermore... I think my biggest problem is not that it's DID, but that it's Shannon/Kanon/Shkanon who have it. They're easily the most boring and uninteresting members of the cast, and it's such a shame that the story focuses on them so much when there's so many excellent characters that are painfully underdeveloped.

>>5756449
And in ep6 they say they were created by "Father's sin".

>>5756449
The Tips say many things, like witches existing, and things like that.

>>5756457
Shutter Island?

>>5756463
They're furniture, i.e. tools of the family. They may be used to get round the red text, but I doubt they'll be the ones pulling the strings.

>>5756449

The TIPS also state that Kinzo (and Ronove) created Genji.

...How reliable are TIPS written by a witch again?

>>5756463
>A disease that doesn't exist would break the Knox rules.
Fool! I'm not talking about a disease, I'm talking about love!

>>5756485
Love is a disease that doesn't exist.

>>5756484
Beatrice wants us to solve this, we should be able to trust the tips.

I thought we were through this already.

>>5756483

/jp/ seems convinced otherwise.

Aren't you, /jp/?

Sayo is the baby from 19 years ago (episode 6 confirms that Beato is 19 years old).
It's a baby Kinzo had with his mistress, so Kinzo "created" them.

>>5756491

The TIPS are patently unreliable. You should know this already.

>>5756484
Yup, all furniture was created by Kinzo. Remember Kanona and Shannon are not the only ones who are furniture and non-human...
So Genji must also be DID butler.

>>5756463
They're only boring because Ryu is a bitch and doesn't want to give anything away. Had Ryu not decided to spend almost all the time they are on screen talking about their yearning for love, and instead actually develop them as characters it wouldn't be bad.

>>5756490
Touché

>>5756513
You are all lacking love.

I swear, I'll take brain parasites over fiction-DID maid any day. At least the former was fun.

>>5756520

No, I'm lacking in whatever brain lesions that would allow me to enjoy such shitty, overdramatic, teen-fanfic-like characters.

>>5756534

The former made for a good story, especially for conspiracy buffs.

The latter is just dumb.

>>5756520
1. DID & any other potentially contrived answers
2. Love

Choose one

>>5756549
Love
anything is better than DID. Fuck, I even would take magic over it.

>>5756561
>I even would take magic over it.

It's funny, because I've always thought it is the magic side the one that has been moving the story. In my opinion, they have been the characters who have kept the story interesting after EP1.

>>5756585
Escapism is always more attractive than reality.
I hope Dine will be the equivalent of Marsh and that he will go "fuck your delusions, it's time to wake up".

I'm hoping for a loveless end where Battler is overheard by Beatrice mocking some girl he use to know on the island that had a crush on him. Beatrice snaps and becomes the real culprit, killing everyone minus Battler whom she decides to rape until he loves her back and becomes a devoted toy.

>>5756610

Could be Ep7's end.

>>5756603
If that's what he does, hopefully he'll also smash all the DID thing. That's as good as fantasy.

>>5755753
>Explain to me why she isn't a shitty villain and a cheap way to bypass the red. LOL I CAN SWITCH PERSONALITIES AT WILL AND CAN EVEN KILL THEM!

"Personalities" in Umineko can exist just due to the others perceiving a person in a different manner. That's explained very early on by George while talking about Jessica. It's not red text obviously, but I don't see why he'd use that weird concept for personality if Ryukishi weren't planning to use it. So, they don't need to be actual internally distinct personalities.

If you consider that, then multiple "personalities" aren't actually unbelievable in this scenario. They just mean that people perceive a single person with multiple personalities, effectively making that person into multiple ones for the red text.

>>5756610
Explain to me what part of that is loveless?

>>5756767
Battler has no choice in the matter.

You are now realizing that voluptuous healthy WHITE Beatrice is the best Beatrice.

>>5756829
No shit, Beatrice is a Nazi after all.

>>5756761
And how does that makes it any less cheap. Sure, he may have dropped some very subtle hints, which no one picked up until EP6, because, before that, all there was going for Shkanon was that Battler had never seen them together in e EPs 1-4.

Honestly, the whole deal with personalities, no matter how you may try to explain it is contrived, especially after using the Red to count them as people.

>>5756761

Doesn't explain how you can kill them.