>>4758236
If I had started drawing when I first wanted to learn to start drawing, I would have been drawing for over a decade now. I probably won't start drawing now either because I'm just not willful enough, I am a loser and will always be a loser.

>>4758249
Fascinating, young man.

>>4758249

Lose the loser mentally Anon. Just try to find something you really like to draw. Copying is totally fine, it's tracing that is the enemy you should stay away from. Also don't push your self for it to be perfect just try to relax and enjoy yourself.

My problem is I never finish anything. I don't think I've ever actually finished a picture. Its like, I know I could finish it, but I've already got all I can out of it so I stop.

Feels bad, man.

>>4758272

Every time I try to draw something I give up right away after some traces, because it's looking awful. I know that I shouldn't simply stop and should just keep drawing, but it's so hard to keep going forward like that.

I'm not >>4758249

In before study anatomy for years and later apply style.

>>4758301

Stay away from tracing if you can. You will grow faster drawing it from eye. Also don't be afraid to rub it out 15 million times. When I first started I did a small drawing which took hours and I used the rubber alot, but when it was finished damn I was proud.

>>4758295

I get that feeling some times but I just grind through it. I'm not really too sure how to help you with that. Mabye you aren't drawing something enjoyable? I know when I'm doing studies I get bored really damn fast.

Ah, it's annoying though, the problem with doodling, is you do it (..or at least I do it) whenever you could between something 'important'. Math classes and the like.

Now, with virtually unlimited time do draw anything, (Virtually a NEET here) I find it difficult to bring myself to draw anything, too busy now distracting myself from drawing (which had been a distraction from working) with MMOs mindless banter on IRC and listlessly browsing the chans..

And it always aggravating. So much crap bottled up in my head I want to draw, and I have difficulty getting it down on paper.

Any suggestion for that?

Why use flockdraw when we have our own paintchat?

>>4758327
Take thumb out of arse

I tried. I'm still shit. I'll keep trying but I'll always be shit.

>>4758301
I had this problem before. Try to focus on slowly copying the lines of whatever you're drawing. Try to make the lines curve the same way. Take it very slow. Also, try copying something simple like this image.

>>4758327

Willpower. Try to stay away from distractions and just focus on a single task. You have the want you just need to apply it.

Something that might help you if you have a graphics tablet is drawing with the other hikkis on flockdraw. Right now it's being trolled by eraser-kun and he shows no signs of letting up.

What about drawing with a mouse? No matter how hard I try, things I draw like that always end up even worse than stuff I draw with a normal pencil and stuff.

>>4758338

Looking good man, keep up the hardwork.

Stop going to that shitty flockdraw, /jp/ has its own pchat.

I really wanted to be a flash animator actually, have some really nifty ideas that I just wanna put into action, but it's too much of a time investment and I really need to establish financial security first.

>>4758345
Why are you surprised at this? Shouldn't it be obvious that you'll draw a lot better with a pencil than a mouse?

>>4758348
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>>4758345

Mouse drawing is hard but it's possible, takes some dedication. This picture might help you. And yes it's from deviant art but the information is correct and will help you out.

Alright, OP. You've managed to work me up, I'm going to try and get a schedule going of at least half an hour drawing a day.

>>4758348

flockdraw is quick and dirty. Also acts as a filter for trolls for pchan.

>>4758350

Financial security then relization of dreams. Some day eventually becomes today

>>4758340

Ah, of course, drawing with others is always more fun than drawing alone, even if you're the only one drawing and the others are watching.

..Well, maybe not so much the latter.

>>4758345

You'd be surprised what you can do with a mouse. I'd much prefer it to a tablet when it came to finer detail stuff.

>>4758338

Quit being so modest. That's quite good, and I like how the hair turned out, as inane as that may sound.

>drawing with a mouse
please don't

>>4758323

Yeah, maybe I should just force myself to finish something. I guess its just lack of ambition and motivation in my case.

Pic related, I did this back in September or whenever that game came out. Never finished it. I've got folders full of this stuff.

Easiest way to check for mistake or when you have that feeling that something looks odd, flip your draw/flip horizontal. It will be so damn obvious you feel like bunching yourself in the balls for not noticing it before.

>>4758249
よ、 俺

>>4758357
>breizer
>breizer

Someone is a retard who can't spell "bezier"

Alright. Even though I am still terrible, I do enjoy a doodle every now and then. If I do practice hard, all I want to do is draw moe 4koma comics. Things like Kbub. I'll give Fun with a pencil a try OP.

I wish I had your mentality, OP. I tell myself everyday to just start doing it and work at it even if I realize at first it will suck, but I just can't. The thought that I will fail and will never be able to make anything decent cripples me completely. I collect images as references and study what I like about them and how they must've drawn it, and how you could reproduce an effect, etc. but I just cannot bring a pencil to paper. I've been doing this for over 5 years now and I'm still sitting here not getting any further. I just never feel "ready" for it and I probably never will.

>>4758956

Go with photoshop then. If you can't create, than manipulate.

>>4758988
I have used Photoshop in the past, though I have no interest at all in shopping images (I know some people can make good shops, it just doesn't interest me enough to create them). I've thought of colouring what others have drawn but I don't like it, it just doesn't feel like it's my own (because it's not, obviously). What I have done in the past is: someone made a sketch for me, I inked it in Flash and then did (shitty) shading in PS. I have in the past doodled sketches of very basic cartoon characters but anything more complex always looked horrible. By now I have too much doubt that I could ever become decent that it stops me from doing anything at all.

It also doesn't help that my room is a mess, my desk is a mess, my computer is a complete mess and my head is a mess also.

What she said.

>>4758956
>>4759042
I have three tips, since I was basically in the same boat for a long time:

1-Only draw things you like (whether that be touhou or whatever). This way your drawing will have some meaning to you even if it's ugly.

2-Draw very simple images and only copy images when you first start out. This way you can see some success and understand what you're doing wrong much more quickly ( something like "huh, there isn't enough room for the eyes, I guess I made the face smaller than it was supposed to be".)

3-Listen to music that you really enjoy while drawing. This makes any task more enjoyable, so it'll help you get the urge to start.

Last time i was on flockdraw /v/fags came and scripted it and erased everything... And hes still there

Its been two days

>>4759770
Thanks, yes I should start with simple things first, and I actually do tell myself that there will be failure and I shouldn't be disheartened by it. Actually, accepting failure and that it doesn't mean that if you failed once you have completely failed or will keep failing is something I'm trying to learn. Same with that I need to tell myself I don't have to finish things in one go, that some things take a while and that, regrettably, not everything will end up perfect.

I listen to music a lot, but I get distracted by it when doing work, so I usually don't do anything except maybe casually browse while listening to music.

Pretty much what everyone is saying here, just draw and you'll eventually get better eventually.

I started off with heads and I've mostly got that sorted now, but I'm moving onto bodies and I'm back to being absolute crap.

Doesn't mean I'll stop, I'm starting to practice drawing them as well (although if anyone has any tips I won't complain..)

>>4760301
>I started off with heads and I've mostly got that sorted now, but I'm moving onto bodies and I'm back to being absolute crap.
Same here. It's embarrassing to post such failures in the OC/drawthreads (and I occasionally get grilled for it), but oh well.

>>4760377
You're anonymous, Anonymous. Just don't give a shit.

http://chat.pixiv.net/
I find watching some of these will spur me into drawing some malformed animu shit.

hey OP post you're drawings and doodles.

I draw from time to time. I'm pretty good at drawing but not super awesome at drawing.

reporting /jp/ unrelated thread

>>4760761
reported, read the rules faggot

PaintTool SAI is a good drawing program, by the way.

>>4760795
Indeed.

>>4760769

reported for abusing the report system, enjoy your ban. forwarded to moot.

great work guys.

I've actually been trying to get serious about my drawing recently. Right now I've been copying some images and stuff. Should I just keep doing this? I'll end up working on something for an hour a day mostly, it turns out alright.

>>4760862
Practice makes perfect.

Illustrator is nice for people like myself that can't draw..

>>4760870

Thanks, I felt giddy once I got my first one done it turned out better than I expected. I'm just hoping I'll get somewhere if I continue.

I've always thought about improving my drawing skills. But I want to know if there's a disadvantage to not taking any art classes. All of my art have been self taught or through observations, but I've never had the chance to properly learn how to color,shade, or tone things correctly. Looking at myself now, my drawings have improved, but not in the direction and pace I want it to be at.

I want to restart all of that so where should I begin? How many hours a day should I practice? Which fundamentals are the most important to learn and master first before going on to the advanced parts?
Should I even bother with color, or just stick with black and white/pencil tones?

>>4760890
Same happened with me bro.

>>4760893
Here's something more recent I did. I'm at the cross roads of still trying to draw things with actual structure and form or branching out to do something more abstract.

Been doodling for a while now. I started with very rough sketches just to learn how limbs are connected to the torso. Also practiced with different poses. Damn hard at first.

>>4759770
>3-Listen to music that you really enjoy while drawing. This makes any task more enjoyable, so it'll help you get the urge to start.

I try to choose what to listen to because the music WILL influence your mood and what you'll wanna draw

Take it from an "artist" in slump;

DO NOT NEGLECT DRAWING FROM REAL LIFE. SPEND ALL YOUR TIME ON ANIME AND MANGA AND IT WILL FUCK YOU OVER, LEARN ART THEORY AND THEN YOU CAN SPEND TIME BREAKING RULES AND STYLIZING.

I really need to start up again...

>>4761506
Its better to be able to draw in many styles than stick to just one style amirite?

>>4761506

It's an advice for people who are serious about art.

The average /jp/ drawfag just likes to doodle stuff and take it easy. They can revisit theory if they want something more than that.

>>4761506

True, but I think people should just draw what they like first to get started.

I wish I knew our paintchat.