I'm writing a book instead because I can't draw for shit.

Sure breh. Writing Katawa Shoujo as we speak.

I want to make a Touhou doujin.

I can't draw yet.

I can't really write either.

Reading the scripts I come up with reminds me of shitty fanfiction, so I always end up deleting them.

>Writing a script
>Can't draw
>Can't make music
>Got a co-writer, programmer, three proof readers.

IF NOTHING ELSE, THE DAMN SCRIPT WILL BE GOOD, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

>>3939618
Pretty similar to this. I can't draw that well, but I can bring up my art. However, I can't color for shit so I might as well make a light novel or choose your own adventure thing than a VN.

>>3939632
A doujinshi is easy, just copy poses from porn and other doujinshi and make them look like the character you want them to. If you can't even draw what you see in front of you, you should cut off your stupid, useless hands.

I was, but we all know how that virus vn worked out.

>>3939646
Unless you mean tracing, "drawing what you see in front of you" is a nontrivial task.

>>3939646
But I want my art to be as expressive as Inoue's art.

>>3939659
Better start practicing then, and then some.

I tried making some sprites before because I can only draw, but then i realized it was a lot of work and stopped.

>>3939680
But your character's walk animation must have a minimum of 20 frames.

>>3939616
Well, I aced my literature classes so I guess that I am not that bad of a writer.
I also know a bit of programming and I am capable of writing(in a programming sense) my own game and/or VN engines.
No one would wan't to read/play anything with my current level of art though, so I haven't really bothered that much.

I could always get someone else to do the art needed but I haven't really bothered, besides I like to follow my own pace and I do have other hobbies besides programming and writing.
I guess I will do something sometime though, and I guess that I could always try to adapt one of my written novels (You know one of those things written for books) into some kind of VN-ish thing.

All my good ideas end up being ripoffs of other stories once I write them down.

>>3939722
A "bit" of programming? If that's the case, I think you're underestimating how much work a worthwhile engine would take to make.

I attempted. However artists are some the laziest fuck for brain shit-slammers to walk the Earth. Every one I recruited quit, was just bad, or lazy.

http://www.csanimefan.com/ggs/wiki/graphicnovel/index.php?title=Main_Page

That's the sum of my work. A short 8 minute demo.

>>3939746
That's actually not a half bad premise.

>>3939735
>A "bit" of programming?
I guess I should have worded myself differently.
I have in fact taken several different levels of programming classes and I am in fact very capable of writing such things.
I wrote "a bit" cause I know quite a few people who are better programmers than I am, diserarding the fact that I ayn't that bad myself.

Reinventing the wheel is stupid, so I'm sure he didn't mean to write his own engine for a single VN.

>>3939756
I've changed it up more recent. Decided to give it a 1984 theme. The government had actually isolated the city (and many others) and is currently using the population for mind control and other experiments.

One of the endings I envisioned was for the main character to escape on a old train, only to arrive to the next city and find it abandoned.

Also wanted to toss in a few of these bad boys lurking around in the shadows as agents for the government.

Ofcourse the person playing the game things it's all supernatural events till the very end.

>>3939769
That sounds mildly similar to an idea I had.
Except in my case it was psychological experimentation itself that was causing the illusion of isolation.

>>3939768
>Reinventing the wheel is stupid, so I'm sure he didn't mean to write his own engine for a single VN.
I wouldn't really call it "Reinventing" but at least I would use my own written software over Renpy and Onslaught and the likes anyday.
Using my own software/engine gives me a sense of freedom not present If should have used one of the other engines.
I am able to re-write or re-shape my own software anytime I want, which comes in handy if I would ever feel like implementing something not commonly seen in "standard" VNs such as obscure gameplay or whatnot.

I am a writer so making a VN is one of my ideas.

>>3939616
>stroke of inspiration
Had that yes, but I'll never ever write something, I hated Croatian in school because I had to write shitty stories and whatnot, English was a lot easier since I can actually write readable English compared to the rest of my classmates so writing a crappy story gave me an A.

I'm somewhat considering making a visual novel. I can't draw at all, but I could probably compose some decent music. The problem is the script. I have an idea of what I want to do thematically and have some good ideas for characters, but I can't think of an intriguing premise for the life of me.

I haven't really given it too much thought though, who knows.

I've wanted to write a VN about a young doctor and his loli ojou-chan patient in an 1800s setting but I feel like this has been done before...

And no, no ero scenes.

I have this idea about magical girls that fly and shoot bullets.

>>3939822
No cripple sex? Whats wrong with you man?

>>3939830
Illness moe

I always wondered why everyone only talks about making a VN or doujin.

If there are so many writefags out there, and judging from the drawthreads, quite a few drawfags on here too, why not settle for making a light novel? It would also eliminate the problem of having lazy artists pull out since you'd only need a few illustrations, and the writefags would provide the rest.

>>3939822
>A doctor not taking advantage of his loli patients
What is wrong with you!

>>3939759
I'm a half year off from finishing a degree in computer science, and can work competently in six languages (and less so in several others). I would hesitate before even considering beginning of preliminary design to a VN engine.

There's no point unless you can do something that includes all useful features of an existing engine AND includes features that would be nearly impossible to add to an existing engine. Considering Ren'Py supports Python, the latter condition is pretty unlikely just taking that as a sample.

I am visited by impressions more than ideas. Try as I might, the impressions rarely congeal into anything concrete enough to get drafting about.

I still do entertain the occasional fantasy about actually pushing something out that will convey these impressions in an organized and remotely interesting fashion, but I am aware that they are fantasies.

I'm actually working with a bunch of other people to start a VN project up. It's about a male highschool student that works as a host in his free time but has to keep it a secret. Everything is still in early development but the team seems pretty fired up about it.

>>3939845
Novels are a lot more work than internet fanfiction. Even light novels.

>>3939845
Well, in my case it was the idea of doing multiple storylines at once. I heart routes and shit.
But you do have a point there. Maybe I should put it on my list of shit to do.

>>3939856
Gee, i wonder where ive read that before...

>>3939845

I like sound effects and bgm, something light novels do not have.

>>3939867
Yeah we all know the idea has been done to hell but we decided to do something simple for out first project.

>>3939859
>Novels are a lot more work than internet fanfiction. Even light novels.

Yeah well that's a given, but it'd be far more do-able than a VN (where you'd need programmers, musicians and plenty of, or a very dedicated drawfag) or a doujin (which would have an even larger problem with getting drawfags on board, and keeping them on board). I'm guessing one of the reasons nobody is doing this is because people wouldn't be interested in something that is 90% text and 10% images, but it's worth a shot if anyone is willing.

>>3939878
Anon with the incomplete project here.

Need help? I know RenPY, Photoshop, and a few other things.

Drawfag here. I've drawn for some oelvn project. But the writers write shit and the rest are acting like jackasses, so I ragequit even when they made some progress.

Now I'm confused whether whoring yourself and do any job available no matter how shit it is, is more viable option than doing nothing. Or if sticking with one stance is more important.

>>3939885
Eh, it's not really that much work, because everything but the writing is pretty much modular. A writer with no programming skill at all can still make a story in Ren'Py and hey! It's a kinetic novel. Then he can worry about art or music. He can even do all programming himself if it's no more complicated than a game like Tsukihime. Or even Kagetsu Tohya (if he's very good at thinking in flowcharts).

If he can write a light novel, then he can write a scenario for a kinetic novel, and vice versa. There's no essential difference. One of them is just seen as more fun because more can be added to it, and because it poses as a game.

>>3939850
>Ren'Py supports Python
Oh yeah, I had actually forgotten that.
But I am capable of writing such things.
This isn't just speculation, but something I know that I am capable of.
I have worked with people and written such things before and I know that I am capable of doing it myself as well.

But it is ok if you don't believe me, looking at this thread now, I must say that it was a kind of a pointless thing to discuss.

There are many different fields within programming, and while it may be true that by being good in one you automatically becomes better in other fields as well due to it raising your overall programming level, but this doesn't change the fact that some programmers are more suited for different tasks, even if their levels are different.

>>3939886
Well so far we're basing it all in renpy. We have an "artist" but he isn't very good.

Somebody said they would start composing music for us but if he drops out I'll have to try to do what I can with the sound department.

>>3939921

Anon with dead in the water project again

Drop me a line if you'd like another hand.
ritter.of.munster@gmail.com

This is what I put together by myself
(The only thing I didn't do was the artwork).
http://www.csanimefan.com/ggs/wiki/graphicnovel/index.php?title=Main_Page

>>3939913
It's not that I can't believe you're capable of it, even with narrow experience, but that you won't find anything you'd need it for that would be worth the effort, as opposed to spending the effort to learn to do those extra things in Python.

Now, if you were REALLY good, then the initial investiture would be a small price to pay for complete control of the engine, making the existant options irrelevant. But that's more like "if you've already done almost exactly the same thing several times."

Also, if you wanted to do something that was too processor-intensive for a 4GL like Python, but I can't imagine such a thing being necessary in a VN. Preprocessed images, etc, are preferable to runtime work.

>>3939946
Ah, now I understand what you are saying, and I see your point.

And If it really would only be me, myself working on it then it would also probably be true, but as I know lots of other programmers it oculd still be somewhat more useful to have your own engine if we were to ever work in a group.
As a group our level combined could probably be enough to make a custom made engine worthwhile.

kinda, I'm working on one with some e-friends but it's going very slowly because all of us are super lazy.

I could write my own VN engine but I felt like that would be a waste of time. I'm using Ren'Py but I considered ONscripter too. Ultimately I went with Ren'Py because... well, python is way better than NScripter's shitty little scripting language.

http://www.visualnovelty.com/
The lazy man's VN engine

Seriously, putting out a ranobe would be a lot easier. You only need a drawfag and a writer. I might do one if I ever get decent at drawing.

Hey, Hazama!
Guess what? Fuck you!

>>3941724