Why do you fucking care?

Really? Because every Mexican on here talks shit about the Mexicans that go to America and don't seem to consider them really Mexican.

If you guys were so fucking pathetic and turned everywhere you go into a 3rd world shit hole maybe we would let you in

If immigration laws were upheld in the first place, like the ones every other country in the world has, there would be no bad blood. But unfortunately a flood of undocumented people is enough to cause resentment. No other country on Earth would have put up with massive illegal immigration as long as the US has.

Arizonan here.

I don't see what the big deal is. It's essentially making law what the Maricopa Sheriff's Office has already been doing. We got quite a few illegals. If they're citizens then it doesn't matter anyway. So fuck them.

>>849061
moderfucker is it wasn't for us your economy would fail into shit

>>849084
>Implying our economy isn't already shit
>Implying it depends on your mowing my lawn in the first place

If the Mexican immigrants who came here to live would just integrate and try to become American instead of trying to turn where ever they go to live in America into Mexico something like this would probably not happen.

at least you have a job while you are building that wall. Or is it only legal alliens working on it?

>>849090
They consider Arizona part of Mexico already. They need to be put back in their place, and this law will achieve that. Sorry, Mexifags. Your moment is over. Try not to cry too hard when your asses are deported.

What exactly is this new law all about?

HAHA OH WOW

American here, I still like Mexico.
Most illegal Mexican immigrants work at really bad wages at doing jobs that are really difficult like picking fruit, construction work, and being a janitor. I don't know why they even come here, honestly.

>>849097
Depends on which side one works.

It's simple... we kill the drug lords and corrupt officials =']

Problem solved

BRB, going to Mexico to help out

>The conflict over a sweeping crackdown on illegal immigration in Arizona intensified Monday as vandals smeared refried beans in the shape of swastikas on the state Capitol's windows.

lol'd when I read this this morning.

I live in Arizona and don't care either way. Lots of people who don't live in Arizona are pissed about it for whatever reason.

>>849076
White people are the ones that are illegal.

why do you hate us, what could the immigrants be doing so wrong for you to hate us??

Arizona is not to be taken seriously. They refused to officially recognize MLK Day until there was a mass boycott of the entire state.

>>849142
Illegal immigrants, not immigrants.

>>849140
derp derp

>>849142
This
>>849090

>>849142

Fucking hypocrite. Mexico has an even stricter border policy on *it's* southern border.

>>849112

Because Mexico has a lot of people and some of the jobs are worse than picking fruits.

My dad, right now, since he was recently deported has to work as an albanil which is sort of like a construction worker but in Mexican temperature and sans the automation technology you find in US construction jobs.

My Russian friend got deported by some stinky mexicunts that gained citizenship. Suck ass.

Most Americans don't hate Mexicans. It's those super-conservative people that get extremely paranoid because in 50 years, white people will be outnumbered by minorities. They feel threatened.

>>849186
Particularly in Arizona, which will be a minority majority state in a few years. Not that it doesn't feel that way already.

>>849137

Sauce!? lol =']

>>849156
Make it easier to become legal or stop bitching.

instead of giving all the jobs to china, USA should built factories in Mexica

>>849200
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/refried-beans-swastika-arizona_n_552201.html

Mexico needs a Fidel Castro

>>849217
The US already has a lot of factories in Mexico.

>>849206
>Implying illegals ever try to become legal

Nice try, bro. Thousands of people become legal citizens every day. Not that hard. Wait in line and do shit right like everyone else or get sent back to your shithole country.

>>849206
>Make it easier to become legal or stop bitching.
The difficulty of legal immigration doesn't give them a right to break the law. I might get denied a car lone to buy a car but that doesn't give me the right to break the law and steal a car.

WAAAAH MUSLIMS

WAAAAH MEXICANS

WAAAAH ASIANS

WAAAAH BLACKS

Is there any race you don't hate?

>>849238
Who are you talking to, exactly? Whites think asians are the model minority, and there's a black president.

>>849238
as long as they don't flood white countries it's ok

>>849238
Penguins.

>>849238
Also Jews.

>>849246
>black president

Uh huh... and how is that going for you dipshit?

>>849246

I'm pretty sure he's talking to the racist conservatives

>>849269
Fine.

>>849263

Penguins = Jews

and You seriously Albert Einstein and Carl Sagan?

Fucking retards in this thread.

OP-

Amerifag here. I like Mexicans, bro. Most of them in my home state are nice, and pretty good to work with. I'm fine with an open border, honestly.

I don't think OP is mexican. We don't give a fuck. Of course it won't mean anything.

Also>>849169
We gave amnesty to all illegals, including illegal american aliens (a lot from the giant american expat community) about 8 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U69xCa8ynm0

But it's not like this law applies to whites, right?

>>849292

You mean like this [North American Union.png]?

Yeah but first Mexico has to get rid of it's corrupt government.

>>849325
It applies to everyone who's an illegal immigrant. But obviously Mexicans are going to be the ones always stopped and questioned.

>>849328
Who told you we want in?

We are about equally corrupt since the PRI is gone. But we'll never trust you to form any kind of union. Pic related.

>>849295

The Mexican government knows all the illegals coming in through the southern border are just on their way to the US so it's only a temporary problem for them.

Stay classy Mexico.

>>849397
Not all of them. For many Mexico is good enough. We just don't go whining because we get to have somebody who does cheap landscaping.

>>849045
>export the shit Mexicans
>complain Americans have a bad view of them

Of course I understand that there are all types of Mexicans ranging from the very rich to the very poor. Unfortunately, what we get here in the States is mostly your poor. While I find your people hardworking, the children popped out of these hardworking folks tend to be gangbangers and basically waste of spaces. Can you really blame us for having such a low opinion when that is the type of people we are surrounded with on a daily basis? I know Mexicans like to cry racism (and there is some) but the walls didn't graffiti'd themselves.

Basically, the only thing to change our opinions is if you bring over more of your rich non-criminal people. Once we see that they are of a higher class, we will respect.

OP isn't mexican. Seriously guys, do what you want. We don't give a fuck.

It would be nice if you could stop snorting all that coke though. Some people is getting paranoid.

obey the law uncivilized spic.

law > your opinion

>>849477

yes im mexican fucking bitch

>>849518

and no, im not saying to disobey the law, im just saying that it feels bad to be so loathed by your neighbors

>>849813
Ok you're mexican.

Y que putas te importa? Quieres cruzarte? Como si no estuvieran haciendo eso desde hace años. Tenemos nuestros propios problemas, ocúpate de ellos. Es cierto que no conozco a nadie que le importe y estoy seguro de que no te enteraste justo hoy de que no les somos agradables. Ellos tampoco nos agradan y vienen aquí por millones.

>>849813
The USA doesn't hate Mexico. In fact, the whole world hates the USA, especially Mexico and Canada. Feels bad man. ;_;

>Arizona and USA have the right to make any law they want in their own state and country

eat a dick and read a history book.

Stop coming here illegally and fix your drug problems then we will talk to you.

>>849884

And what would that accomplish in regards to this thread?

>>849884
Either you're a trolling gringo or you're chicano. Nobody gives two shits about a fucking desert around here.

>>849898
You come here, illegally too. I don't give a fuck about it, I don't want to go there and I don't care if you wanna come too.

But it's our drug problem bitch. And it's not like it affects the whole country. Washington or Detroit are way WAY worse. Canada has started experiencing drug violence since the cartels here are having trouble. It was Colombia before. How many countries are you gonna cause trouble before you actually fix you shit? Yes I mad.

>>849898
Another American here. It's not Mexico or South America that needs to fix a drug problem. It's the USA. Because the majority of the drugs that are produced are becuase of the USA's demand. Most of it gets smuggled into the US.

First of all im honduran living in honduras with no plan to move anywhere else.

All i want to say, its that while we in honduras understand that Chiapas and MEXICO have the right to make any law they want in their own state and country and we actually respect that....

it really BREAKS OUR HEARTS that mexicans think of us so bad, that they have been building a wall almost the size of THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA to keep us away from their country for the past couple of years, and now have started to make laws targeted against immigrants of honduran origin, all the immigrants want its a new life where they can work and earn good money just like everyone else, HONDURAS IS SHIT RIGHT KNOW AND WE KNOW IT, but we cannot change because this democracy is a joke, its more corrupt that the fucking roman empire in their last days

FEELS BAD MAN

>>849902

why do you have a problem with my statements?

>>849909

i'm neither and i'm smart enough to realize everything affects me and my next of kin in one way or another.

>>849863
No everyone hates USA. I like it. I want to go there in the future.
I also like mexico, but many people there is racist, always northern and southern mexican figthing and all.
And I'm not a mexican, and I'm not an american trolling.

>>849965
Your next of kin are in another country by their own volition. If they don't want to be discriminated they can stay here and study or whatever. Or at least rise their kids right when they go there. When I was born Arizona wasn't Mexico, nor when my dad was born nor my grandfather nor my great grandfather and so on. We have never been of imperialist tendencies so we don't give a fuck about those territories. and we have always been non-interventionists so they can do whatever laws they see fit.

>>849989
>northern and southern mexican figthing and all

wat?

You take that seriously?

You're retarded. Also I has nothing to do with racism.

>>850020
*it has nothing to do

Dear OP

Not all Americans scapegoat Mexican migrant workers or illegal immigrants. The major problems with your country can be laid at the feet of my country. I'm sorry. Sensible people are trying to do what we can to change things. The new Arizona law stands a good chance of being challenged in court by those who are disgusted by it.

Sincerely,

Sensible American

In Europe we also need some kind of GREAT WALL to keep sandniggers away!

>>850152
Too late, PIGS are already inside.

>>849959
fail 0/10

Amerifag here

To all of those who think Mexico should not into U.S. because of their drug problems- do some research and try not to HHHRRRRNNNGGGGGG when you realize those problems are mostly a result of U.S. drug policy.

>>850198
another dude here

yeah you're right. the whole drug/ illegal immigration connection is fucking overblown. for fucks sake, arizona barely has an illegal population and they pull shit like this...

>>850193

>>850193


http://www.lavanguardia.es/lv24h/20061221/51297652838.html

>>850228
see:
>>849295

We gave them amnesty.

All our prisons are shitty. Whether you're a national or foreigner. Fuck off.

>>850228

>http://www.lavanguardia.es/lv24h/20061221/51297652838.html
lololololololo

>>849045
Arizona guerro aki. we don't hate you. it's the sarah palin trolls trollin'. most AZ gize really like you. anyone who has ever REALLY known a mexican knows they work like 80hrs without bitching. you gize are the best bros. sorry about fucking joe arpio

>>850265


>Migrantes de CA afectan el tejido social de México: Cecilia Romero

>"sí afectarán el desarrollo mismo de México, el tejido social en los estados fronterizos, lo cual se nos convierte en un gravísimo problema”"

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2007/11/20/index.php?section=politica&article=003n1pol

All illegal aliens should be rounded up against the new wall and shot in the back

>>850298

Fechas.

Aprende a leerlas.

>>849045

>its more corrupt that the fucking roman empire in their last days


No, that's not the problem, the problem is that Mexican society does not have a history of being engaged in politics, you vote for promises not a candidates positions or even intellect.

>>850293
>>850293
>they work like 80hrs without bitching
>we like you so much because you behave pack animals

Fix'd

>>850330
Ni sikiera es mexicano, no te das cuenta? Deja de responderle a un puto troll.

>>849295

all those american people ''offered'' were already LEGAL RESIDENTS IN MEXICO..

also, mexico knows that under US laws, US citizens LOSE their US citizenship if they accept it from a foreign nation automatically..

so almost none of the legal US residents in mexico would take it, since they cannot be legal dual citizens..

>>850349
Si no le vas a responder a trolls mejor salte de 4chan pendejin.

>>849813

Americans are welcome in Mexico if they have money and are not there to work.

I would gladly welcome anyone from Mexico in the US who meets the same criteria.

>>849045
Honestly I can';t get a job in construction because the unions here are dead because of mexicans as well as I have to speak near fluent spanish to get one under the table.......so til then, mexicans can just fuck off

>>849269

Canada hates us so much so they made the biggest trade partnership in the world with us! Yeah, canada is pissed at us. That's why Canadians(Other then french Canadians) and the u.s are bros.. Canadians are like the only people that are welcomed with open arms here. (Australians too, but they're getting a little uppity as of late),

>>850368

>>Americans are welcome in Mexico if they have money and are not there to work.

>>I would gladly welcome anyone from Mexico in the US who meets the same criteria

THIS...FUCK...THIS!!!! no one minds mexicans coming here to spend money or visit.. we mind you coming here to enmasse grab everything you can get.

mexicans would feel the same way if 25 million gringos showed up, bought all the cheap housing, took work from mexicans, bought all cheap vehicles..drove up rents, and made jobs rare..

thats why we are sick of you

>>850357
No idiot, they entered legally (not that is hard, we don't ask for a visa) but since we don't do raids and shit like that, they didn't regularize their stay. It wasn't even about citizenship but about regularizing their status without consequences, granting work permits and stuff.

Though I've seen expats, and they hate US. I wouldn't be surprised if some changed their nationality. Also it was for all immigrants including europeans, central and south americans.

You're and idiot who's talking out of his ass.

Anyways, America as a whole don't care much for illegal immigrants because they're off the records, speak very little English, usually different culture, and they fucking hump like rabbits with shitty kids they don't take care of.

If they stopped trying to turn the U.S into Mexico we'd be pretty cool.

>>850318

3 años es mucho?

hipocrita.

Los mexicanos son xenofobicos como los americanos.

son hasta mas racistas que los putos americanos.

no me vengas con putas excusas.

Si 10+ millones de imigrantes estubieran entrando a mexico ilegalmente, y si fuesen de una raza mas oscura, solamente dios sabe las monstruosidades que la poblacion mexicana comitiera contra ellos.

a si que callate estupido hipocrita.

INB4 'DURRR HURR CALLATE CENTRO AMERICANO DE PUTAS'.

you deserve EVERYTHING you are getting in the US.

The yanks are treating you kindly compared to what your government and society does. faggot.

>>850407
Americans come here to retire and benefit from subsidized medicines, water, electricity and gasoline. Since they're retired and quasi hippies they are the cheapest fuckers you've ever met. We don't give a fuck about them.

It's a million (or more) american expats here and 12 million illegal immigrants, only the half mexicans. Since you're 300 millions and we are 100 millions there are only 2 times more immigration from here to there, percentage wise. But you don't hear anyone bitching.

Also do what you want to do with your immigrants, just remember is against basic humans rights and we don't do the same shit.

>>850408

>>Mexican immigration laws-

"Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of
contributing to national progress." (Article 32)


Immigration officials must 'ensure' that 'immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance' and for their dependents. (Article 34)


Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets 'the equilibrium of the national demographics,' when foreigners are deemed detrimental to 'economic or national interests,' when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and
when 'they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.' (Article 37)


The Secretary of Governance may 'suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.' (Article 38)


Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:


Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)


A National Population Registry keeps track of 'every single individual who comprises the population of the country,' and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)


A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).


Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)


Foreigners who sign government documents 'with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses' are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

>>850470

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)


Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)


Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico - such as working with out a permit - can also be imprisoned.


Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,


A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally. (Article 123)


Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)


Foreigners who 'attempt against national sovereignty or security' will be deported. (Article 126)


Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law.


A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)


Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)"

>>850414
Wey se les dio dieron todas las facilidades para quedarse que más quieres?

Además de que solo la mitad de esos ilegales son mexicanos, 5-6 millones en un país de 300.

Tu oyes que alguien aquí se queje de los centroamericanos? Porque yo no, más allá de reportajes esporádicos. A mi ni siquiera me importa lo que hagan con los mojados. Pero es cierto que aquí hacemos las cosas de forma diferente.

>>Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

mexican LAW.. sounds exactly like the new Arizona Law...

hmmm... mexico=not only racist but hypocrite..

>>850408

according to the chicanos..

the ''amnesty'' is directed at ethnic mexicans, whose either have US citizenship, (but are hispanic) or their children who are hispanic US citizens and were born in the USA..

not white gringos being offered the right to work in mexico..

>>Mexico Offers Amnesty to Americans Living Abroad
Angela Kocherga - KVUE News
go to original
September 16, 2009

>>The Mexican consulate in El Paso has a pilot program to correct an old problem on the border - fake birth certificates.

>>Some Mexican parents of US-born children used fake Mexican birth certificates so their children could live and attend school in Mexico, too. The pilot program includes free legal services.

>>"That means the people can do it without any kind of fear, any kind of problem and they will be able to correct the situation," said Roberto Rodriguez Hernandez, Mexican consul general, El Paso.

>>Why do it now? Computerized records make it harder to hide the truth. And the Mexican government wants to get a better handle on it's own immigration problems.

Yes.... destroy each rother.

>>850470
>>850482

Correct allusions.

Art. 32. Nope.

Art. 34. Nope.

Art. 37. "the equilibrium of the national demographics" wat? of course no.

Art. 38. Doesn't even mentions immigration.

Art. 73. Talk about congress faculties. Doesn't mention police or public security. And only mentions that congress may make laws relevant to migration and naturalization.

I stopped there because these are obviously bullshit.

http://info4.juridicas.unam.mx/ijure/fed/9/74.htm?s=

>>850491
>>850491
>mexico=not only racist but hypocrite

Yes, our government is largely hypocritical in exterior relations.

>>850491
Or whoever wrote that is a raging idiot. That's nowhere in our constitution. See this.

>>850558

Who would inmigrate to Mexico anyways?

>>850523
Is directed towards everyone idiot. To regularize their situation.

>>850577
Venefags to name some..

Maybe if Mexicans weren't so poor, short, dirty and brown and actually decided to respect the law we wouldn't have to build a wall or enact the draconian laws like the one in Arizona.

You see us building a wall to keep the Canadians out?

>>850577

Me...

>>850583
God forbids.

>>850585
As I said do what you want, its your country.

But don't tell me we do the same shit with your immigrants or the central american immigrants that go through here.

>>850577
People who want to inmigrate to usa duh

JOSE CAN YOU SEE
BY THE DAWN’S EARLY LIGHT
SOME PEOPLE HATE YOU
JUST CAUSE YOU AIN’T WHITE

THEY’LL TAKE YOUR CHEAP LABOR
CAUSE THEY’RE FILLED WITH GREED
BUT THEY’LL NEVER HELP YOU
WHEN YOU’RE FAMILIES IN NEED

THEY’LL TRY TO DEPORT YOU
CAUSE YOU HAD THE NERVE
TO WANT ALL THE GOOD THINGS
ONLY WHITE FOLKS DESERVE

THEY CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS
BUT THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND
THE WORLD GREATEST SAVIOR
WAS ANOTHER BROWN MAN.

>>850585
No I don't see you building a wall in the north, although maybe you should seeing as how some of the guys that crashed into the WTC came through there.

>>850599
Negro por favor, they could buy a plane ticket or something.

Fucking central americans.

>>850482
>>850470
bullshit copypasta

>>850608
shut the fuck up communist

>>850593
Well actually you're the 16th leading country with most legal immigrants at 2823 in 2000 (last census). But I know many, many venezuelans living here, illegally. Also we are better off than you. What's the big surprise there?

Maybe you don't want to illegally immigrate, but others might.

I won’t be going to Arizona any time soon. Why? Because I’m of mixed race, and happen to look Hispanic. I can already see being pulled over, asked for my papers, arguing with a cop for 20 minutes because he doesn’t believe me, and finally getting let go only to get pulled over again 10 minutes later. And I was born in the States. I can only imagine the insanity a *legal* immigrant would have to go through.

>>850602
so far as I know that's a myth.

>>850608
Sure all it takes to be an illegal alien is to buy a plane ticket right?

Has any of you considered the economic consequence of spreading this Bill to other states? It is true, the Fed. gov. has failed to provide a workable “legal” mean for well meaning immigrants to enter the US and work. However, we will feel the consequence of this this bill in our wallets. Many of these “illegal” day workers help to keep the cost our fruits and vegetable low as well as construction costs. They are accused of steeling american jobs, but can please anyone tell me how many Americans you know that are willing to shovel dirt in the desert or to spend 8hr on their knees harvesting our veggies for the the same wage?? I am sure that there are many, but not nearly enough to meet the demand. And to the people that say that “illegals” don’t pay taxes beware that they DO!! Sale taxes count!! They pay cash!!

Umm, let’s look beyond the narrow prism of what is ‘legal’, and try to solve the problem in context. America needs immigrants, these migrant workers are helping our economy, and increasing the size, strength, and power of the USA. Without immigration, we’d have a shrinking population. Why do you think USA will be #2 to China in a generation?

No need to look at things so narrowly, what’s “legal” or “illegal”. How about smart vs. dumb, wise vs. unwise. HItler was elected legally, and his Holocaust was also illegal. Does that make it right?

>>850633
You could travel to the US as a tourist and stay there illegally.

But those long-ass trips they take are more realistic for the lower classes seeking to inmigrate illegally.

Among the venezuelan middle class it's a popular thing to do, though.

>>850634

But they don't pay federal taxes.

My parents did and look at where they are now... MEXICO!

>>850651
>But they don't pay federal taxes.

Cool story spic, we ALL PAY OUR TAXES TO THE MIGHTY IRS fuck your shit jose

>>850651

>implying you aren't all excited and happy about being here.

>>850649
Venezuelan middle class inmigrate illegally to the usa?
Can´t blame them , chavez is fucking insane

>>850638
I hope Arizona gets what they want and all the immigrants move out of state. I’m already seeing travellers that aren’t interested in visiting any longer. I’d love to see what they do when their economy collapses because none of the legal citizens are interested in doing their crappy jobs…including those saying the illegals are taking their jobs. Be careful what you ask for…you might get it.

People dont you understad that “illegals” whatever it is to you. Are not here to harm enyone but to better their lives. They are here to work the jobs that American people would not even consider not even if it was the only job in the world. from what I know AZ is much in debt as CA, now why in the world would you want to spend money on having “illegals” arrested and transported to their mother land.instead of giving them a permit to work and tax them, TAX THEM for the wealth of the state. Meaning they cannot leave the state of AZ. That makes more sense.

>>850649

>Protip: mexicans could do that too.

We don't do it because people who might emigrate to US don't get visas. Much less venefags.

>>850673
Because they're criminals.

Reading all the comments here, I see the USA becoming a fascist state before my very eyes. Someone here WANTS the USA to be like North Korea and Iran? Umm, since everybody here wants things to be all LEGAL and NICE, how about opening our borders and letting everybody in. If we’re so smart, creative, and hard-working, what do we have to be scared of? And by the way, increasing our population by a few hundred million is our only chance to stay #1 in the world, otherwise y’all won’t be speaking Spanish in 30 years, but Mandarin Chinese.

>>850662
>he doesn't even know that all the government has to do is enact policies that lower individuals reservation wage

>>850677
HURR DURR THEY STOLE OUR JERBS

>>850680
oh holy shit, this is so full of retard I'm not even going to reply.

>>850660

I'd rather stay in the US to be honest with you, but Mexico ain't that bad either like I said once before =]


Just needs more Koreans, that's all.

>>850687
Not my job, but they are criminals you can't deny that.

>>850682
lol keep dreaming i'm glad AZ will go to hell soon.

>>850677

Tax those who are capable of work.

Kill/Deport the ones who commit REAL crimes like murder and shit.

>>850697
>soon
AZ has been shit tier for while.

>>850697
>he thinks AZ will be worse off with fewer short, loud, dirty brown people

>>850680
THIS

>>850700
A "real" crime is anything that breaks the law, they show disdain and disrespect for the law by being here, arrest them all and let them do the paperwork.

>>850680
>Implying more mexicans that what you're already getting want to cross the border.

Seriously guys. It's not that hard. And that wall won't make it much harder. If you aren't getting more mexicans is because 97% of the population here don't want to do landscaping either.

>>850708
Yes I do, fuck your shit hillbilly Arizonan cunt.

>>850703
They have a few canyons and a pretty multicolor desert, that's it, so shit tier seems rather accurate.

>>850717
Now that I think about it. Crossing the border illegally is easier than getting a visa.

>>849090
See the problem is where they live is Mexico. America just stole it.

>>850700
then we will start with you ugly spic

>>850712

Haven't read the Bill recently but are the illegals that get caught still going to go to jail or are they getting deported immediately?

If the latter, then aren't you guys going to spend more on the illegals care in prison?

>>850718
>implying I'm from AZ

Your mad amuses me.

So illegals pay taxes? Thats the problem, aint it?

>>850724
No shit?

>>850712
Cool story friend, you know shit about criminal law.

>>850733
>implying there weren't hardly any Mexicans in the area we won/bought in the Mexican-American war.

>>850724

Not sure if it's accurate since I got it off /b/

>>850737

I have committed no crimes and I am a US citizen.
Next!

>>850694
dohohoho my name is jose and i will steal your job

>>850767
Get out you disgusting anchor baby.

>>850767
>spic thinks he's American

no way jose

>>850740
wow your responses are really weak

>>850752
I meant for somebody who can actually get a visa. You still have to go 3-4 days to the embassy, wake up at 4 am, it expensive.

Or you could pay a pollero 1500 dollars. Walk 1 hour in the desert and be in LA for dinner.

>>850774

>>850738
>>850767
CHICANO SPOTTED

>>850488

>>850786
>argentinian
>white

lol don't even think about it

>>850780
>he thinks I'm going to bother putting any effort into replying to posts like >Yes I do, fuck your shit hillbilly Arizonan cunt.

>>850765
lol no.

Every town in the southwest has a Spanish name. All those were inhabited. I'm Mexican and I don't give a fuck about those territories or wetbacks. But you can deny Mexicans have been living there since before murkans.

>>850795
>yet he replies to troll, uses greentext and faggot president pics

>>850765
fucking bullshit that's what americans think as truth

>>850804
>Mexican not able to read
>me not being surprised

>>850757
Are you honestly saying that breaking the law is not a crime? You just went full retard fucknugget.

>>850806
>implying George Bush wasn't awesome

>>850811
I'm a lawyer, but by all means please enlighten me. You must know better.

>>850774

Define American.. once you define it. quiz me on what it takes to become American.

>>850771

>implying I had a choice
Anyway, to /stormfront/ you.

YES YES THE LEVELS OF AMERICUNT BUTTHURT ARE OFF SCALE

>>850767
>I have committed no crimes and I am a US citizen.
>implying you never infringed someones copyright

>>850821
oh great more gook spam

>>850810
No I read it just fine. All those cities where inhabited and not just hardly. No one would found 3000 hardly inhabited towns. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Also "bought" don't make me laugh. The price was so ridiculous that your own press mocked it. And you didn't even made the payments after Santa Anna was thrown.

>>850823
Seems you've totally misread this thread and the whole situation. Spics are the ones who are butthurt that we're doing something about their bullshit.

>>850821

>>850833

>>850818
>I'm a lawyer
>it's not a crime to break the law

University of Phoenix online graduate detected.

>>850836
really? haha no, it's you guys not the spics

you are getting trolled and you don't get it

MEXICANS ARE WHITE
MEXICANS SPEAK A EUROPEAN LANGUAGE
YOU AMERICANS ARE FUCKING STUPID

>>850818
I hope to god you don't work for the state.

>>850837

>>850847
>Spics
>white

Thanks for the laugh.

>>850818
Could u please bive me your full name?

>>850844
>>850852
Oh really? Care to explain why? Amuse me.

>>850853

>>850847

HAITIANS ARE WHITE
HAITIANS SPEAK A EUROPEAN LANGUAGE
YOU AMERICANS ARE FUCKING STUPID

>>850840
I already said it. I don't give a fuck about those places. I just corrected your stupid claims.

But you're like a kid chanting "lalalala i can't hear you". Good for you.

>>850861

>>850856

pretend laywer ur dad is so d.u.m.b he he had 2 look at ur virgin.a cus he wasnt sur wat u was

>>850856
I hope you don't work for the state because I would hate to have you as a lawyer.

>>850865
i want to cum all over her face.

>>850863
>>850847
Not even "white" mexicans consider themselves white. Drop it guise.

>>850825

I meant TRUE fucking crimes, not ones that everyone fucking does!

>>850830

Fuck off, dear sir.

>>850856
U. of Phoenix graduate cuz you're full retard son.

>>850867
>>850869
You didn't refute me, please teach me about Law, you know better, right?

>>850881

i hate gooks
i think they should go back to where they came from

>>850881
>every does it so it isn't a crime
sure is spic logic in here

>>850881
I hate you.

Just a little.

>>850888

Well, what do you want to know? Yalefag here

>>850888
If you think that it isn't agains the law to break the law then I sure do know better than you,
- lesson 1: If you break the law what you did is a crime.

>>850883
You call that an University? Please, don't make me laugh.

>>850892

>>850888
I don't know what ur arguing about bitch, I just don't want your ass as my attorney.

>>850892

I didn't mean to bring Soshibros in here. I thought they all moved to /mu/

>>850891

Prove me wrong.

>>850897
Weak. No, really. You don't grasp the concept.

>>850898
No I don't, but if you're that guy claiming he's a lawfag then I'm sure you do.

>>850673

>>They are here to work the jobs that American people would not even consider not even if it was the only job in the world.

there are hundreds of (american) people who turn up for EACH shit job working in a poultry plant killing chickens all day/..

all that mexican illegals do is BID DOWN what the plant has to pay..

By the 22nd and 23rd centuries, the mixture of races in the United States will be that Hispanics and Asians will be absorbed into the White European population whereas Blacks will continue to be, by and large, a separate race.

>>850900

>>850911
prove him wrong lawyerman

>>850920
this.....DO IT FAGGOT

>>850913
and your point was?????

stupid redneck

>>850924
fucking spic

>>850919

Guise, I think we are getting off topic here.

>>850924
I've never even lived in the country.

>>850934
Sexily off topic.

>>850932

>>850942

>>850924
>and your point was?????

His point was painfully self evident.

Mexicans =/= white

>>850946

>Lose argument
>Spam thread with gooks

>>850906
I won't follow the flock.

>>850962
Who lost?

>>850947
What point? Wikipedia copypasta? That's it?

>>850962
>implying I am spamming the thread

Seriously, it's NOT me.

I lost all my other proxies =[

I am dying to go to Arizona, get pulled over my some racist, honky tonk white trash police officer so I can speak in perfectly, fluent english and tell him to suck my d***.

as for all these idiotic people that don’t see how it’s racial profiling,leave your “small town mentality” for some real world actuality.

>>850974
>>850974
>Wikipedia copypasta

Watcha talkin bout nigga?

>>850983

i wish i could be there for his to reply...

''O rly?..sir''

and proceed to measure your license plate frame, for which you will recieve a 250 buck ticket..
along with the other easy one- a ticket for having dust on your lic plate.. (in the desert) obscuring the plate surface..

enjoy your 500 dollar ''fuck you''

LOL

Hello friends, Jose here:

Stop making it hard, don't spend more money on trying to catch me and sending me back to my country because its a lot of us and its a big chance your not going to catch me. you couldn't catch me at the border so what makes you think your going to catch me now. I am just here to work and if possible,I would not mind contributing to this hurting economy. I will do the jobs that you normally would not want to do from cutting your grass to flipping them burgers. So please make it easy on your self and Immigration.

Yours truly

Jose
Illegal Immigrant

>>850983

I think it would be funnier if you get pulled over, switch seats in passenger seat is empty, speak Spanish, say you don't speakie the English and then present your ID/License

it’s amazing how many of you idiots still think illegals get most or any of the benefits you speak of. Countless of immigrants with tax id #’s pay do pay taxes… yet they can’t file a tax return… so they don’t get anything back. Yet you want to complain. Stealing jobs… right.. because the bum @ the fwy exit with a cardboard sign always looks so mad that he’s not the one selling roses… ignorance is bliss.

I hate Arizona, I lived there for a few years with family. I'm a legal immigrant from some shitty asian country, but most of my family here has been in the US for over 30 years or so and has become mostly "americanized".

It sickens me that my grandaunt talks shit about Mexicans even the ones that aren't illegal, they treat Mexicans like they're the only ones capable of committing crime. What's funny is she pretty much sucked a white dudes dick and lay her pussy for some greasy white man just to get in the US and she feels like the USA owes her something.

Same bitch hates people for using government provided help to poor people, WHICH IS FUCKING HILARIOUS BECAUSE SHE WAS POOR AS FUCK ONCE AND WAS PRACTICALLY BEGGING.

I hate hypocrites, I wish she would die soon.

You Murrikans do know that most illegals Mexicans don't actually go to your country over the areas that the wall is covering.....Right?

>>850999
In honor of this post I'm going to make a call to ICE about a local meat packing plant that has seen a sudden influx of brown employees.

>>851011
BITCHES AND WHORES, SON

>>850833

You guys declared war on the US. WTF did you think was going to happen?

>>851030
>>851030
What are you going on about? We started that shit....we started it right.

>>851030
HAHAHAHA go back to school son

>>851020
DO IT FAGGOT

>>851020
Tape it and put it up on youtube then post link here.

>>851041
>>851038
The Mexican military crossed the border first. Can reasonably be considered an invasion/de facto declaration of war.

Let's go annex Mexico and Canada.

>>851030

Why are we talking about the past?

Shit already occurred. GET OVER IT, BOTH OF YOU!

>>851038

Hmm

Texas revolts
You try to subdue the rouge state
You took a siesta at San Jacinto and lost.
Texas gains independence.
Texas joins the US.
Mexico declares war because they didn't want it to happen.

>>851055
No it didn't, you fucking liar. It's funny you faggots try to justify your belligerent actions.

So, why can't USA take in more immigrants? There is 300 million of you, which is a pretty low number considering that your country is as almost as large as Europe. There are over 700 000 million Europeans.

//Clueless European.

>>851055
We annexed disputed land illegally knowing the consequences and built a fort on REALLY disputed land within sight of a Mexican army when Mexico failed to declare war....We started the shit dude, get over it.

>>851020
Butthurt friend?

>>851062
I'm American you fucking retard.

>>851049
Need to gater info on the place first, type up why it's suspicious, etc. I figure they'll want all that.

Just learned of the number the other day but I'll be making the call.

So if an American gets displaced from an illegal working, American gets unemployment forever, illegal gets money and sends it back to Mexico. Some of it the government gets.

Barring medical/school, is the taxed money enough to cover the unemployment?

Arizona signed the toughest illegal immigration law in the country which would allow police to demand identification papers from anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. I know there are some people in Arizona worried that Obama is acting like Hitler but can we all agree there is nothing more Nazi than saying “show me your papers.” There’s never been a World War II movie that didn’t include the line “Show me your papers.” It’s their catch-phrase. Every time someone says, “Show me your papers,” Hitler’s family gets a residual check. So heads up Arizona, that’s Fascism. I know, I know, it’s a dry Fascism, but it’s still Fascism.

>>851068

Have you been to Arizona, California and Texas? It's as bad as Europe getting taken over by the muslims, are you enjoy Muslim Europe?

>>851075

>On the morning of April 21, Houston held a council of war, and the majority of his officers favored waiting for Santa Anna's eventual assault. Houston, however, decided in favor of his own surprise attack that afternoon, concerned that Santa Anna might use the extra time to concentrate his scattered army. With his army of roughly 900 men, he decided to attack Santa Anna. Most of the assault would come over open ground, where the Texan infantry would be vulnerable to Mexican gunfire. Even riskier, Houston decided to outflank the Mexicans with his cavalry, stretching his troops even thinner. However, Santa Anna made a crucial mistake — during his army's afternoon siesta, he failed to post sentries or skirmishers around his camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_San_Jacinto

No not really.

>>851069
>Texas
>disputed

no

YES

YES

MORE BUTTHURT

IT PLEASES ME SO MUCH

AMERICUNTS ARE SO BLIND BY HATRED

>>851083
>HE USES WIKIPEDIA

>>851068

>>So, why can't USA take in more immigrants? There is 300 million of you, which is a pretty low number considering that your country is as almost as large as Europe. There are over 700 000 million Europeans

significant numbers of your populations can all read and function to a rudimentary level.. most obey rules..(except albanians/checens/gypsy)

what we are getting in the USA is basically 20-30 million gypsy-quality immigrants..

cant read/write
no education
dont produce/create anything
want to backfill into area others already created

this does not benefit ANYONE but the illegals who are desperately poor and can only slave-
imagine europe if 15% of its population,

and say 40% of the population in all your large cities was entirely GYPSY..

that american currently

>>851084
Yes it was.

>>851092

MEXICO SHOULD JUST BECOME AN OVERSEAS PROVINCE OF SPAIN ONCE AGAIN

I live in Arizona. An illegal alien crashed into my car and drove off as fast as he can. I love the new law.

>>851083
Yeah, I am, have been since I was born.

>>851084

Lol yeah it was, the Mexican senate never recognised the borders of Texas or the treaty Santa Anna signed and under the articles Santa Anna imposed and promoted (the ones Texas threw a hissy fit over) he didn't have the power to give away chunks of Mexico without approval, dictator or not......So yes, Texas WAS disputed.

>>851097
>Implying the white Irish, Italians, Russians, and Jews weren't the same way when they immigrated to the US.

>>851069

Texas was a soverign country that legally allowed for it to be annexed. Mexico, for all intensive purposes, had no authority. Santa Anna was only butthurt for being captured by Texans.

and looking at his underwear....lol

>>851106
You are so full of bullshit friend.

>>851069
This gringo is right. Mexico didn't even had a proper army back then it was practically in the middle of a civil war, we wanted to avoid war at all costs. You guys started it. I don't give a fuck, california is yours now, why do you go to such lenghts to justify your actions?

>>851110
Santa Anna wasn't in charge of jack shit when the U.S.-Mexican War broke out, his faggotry is irrelevant.

>>851106
>>851101
Not our fault Mexico couldn't accept the fact they lost. Polk let them know where the border was and they crossed it.

The gringo butthurt in this thread is delicious. Oh my god its so delicious.

>>851111
No I'm not, research this and you'll arrive at the same conclusion.

>>851113

Because for some reason 12 million of you guys still don't understand the California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas is ours.

>>851108

that was when almost no one had a college degree ,

literacy was NOT the norm,

and 90% of the population worked at manual labor jobs..

none of that is the case anymore, so we require immigrants who meet a higher standard.. some mexicans do..

they just are not the class of mexicans that are trying to break into the USA by the tens of millions..
we are getting the illiterate, indian, gyspy quality mexican who is only for manual labor and eats up all the resources..

>>851119
They were living there actually. It was next to the town of Matamoros.

I like how:

affirmative action that blatantly discriminated against white people = okay

police being given the ability to request identification from suspected illegals = FUCKINGFASCISTOMGNAZISEVERYWHERE

>>851097

I guess you have a point.

Oh btw, and I meant to say 700 million, not 700 000 million lol

>>851129
>Mexican army "living" on the wrong side of the river attack Americans
>say the US is at fault

>>851114

>Once back in Mexico at the head of an army, Santa Anna reneged on both agreements. Santa Anna declared himself president again and unsuccessfully tried to fight off the United States invasion.

Ok.

>>851119

>Polk let them know where the border was

Wasn't his place to let anyone know where the border was, he wanted the war which is why he put the annexation of Texas in a separate bill and passed it illegally (the reason why Texas claims it's the only State with a right to secede), even though the actual bill for Texas annexation failed to garner enough votes on (I believe) 2 separate occasions.

>>851138
>Once back in Mexico
You do realise that proved his point right?

THIS THREAD NOW IS ABOUT TRAPS

POST YOUR TRAPS

>>851126
12 million? Only half the people is Mexican, so try five or six.

They don't go there to conquer. I hate them for going there but they're not that bad. Mexican americans are americans so deal with them they have nothing to do with us.

Also you're changing the point. You started the war. I don't give a fuck what you do with wetbacks in your states. But at least respect historic facts.

>>851136
From their perspective YOU were on the wrong side of the river.

>>851143

Meanwhile, Santa Anna had secretly been dealing with representatives of the United States, pledging that if he were allowed back in Mexico through the U.S. naval blockades, he would work to sell all contested territory to the United States at a reasonable price.

I can do this all day...

>>851139
And? Going to bring up the Indian Removal Act next?

>>851138
Yeah, Once he returned to Mexico, but before that he had been exiled and had no power whatsoever when the war started.

>>851155
santa ana was a fucking traitor

>>851152
It was our side of the river after Mexico lost in Texas.

>>851150


there is NOT only 12 million illegal aliens in the USA..

the number has been at 11-12 million for OVER A DECADE NOW..

every year we receive a million more at least, plus a hundred thousand LEGAL immigrants..

so the actual illegal number would increase by close to a million each year.. the pundits want to keep the number at the same 12 millions they used in 1992...

as to give the real numbers would not lead to anyone wanting to keep these people in their real numbers..

>>851157
no, why would I?

>>851155
I'm sure you can spout irrelevant facts all day, but none of this proves that Santa Annas butthurt had anything to do with the war breaking out.

>>851136
wat?
imagine there is a town. some day the president from another nation says that town does not belong to the country it has always belonged. They send 70 soldiers across that town.

How is that their fault? The previous (contested) treaty didn't even mentioned those lands.

ITT Spics living in a fantasy world.

>>851181
why so butthurt friend? is this thread too much for you?

>>851168

>>every year we receive a million more at least, plus a hundred thousand LEGAL immigrants

THATS ACTUALLY 100,000 A MONTH

>>851166
Mexico claimed the border to be at the Nueces River, We claimed the border to be at the Rio Grande, we invaded them first by going into what they considered to be their territory, we went onto the highly disputed land and began building a fort first.

>>851172

I am guessing if Santa Anna didn't have any power, then it really was Mexican butthurt.

I guess...that's better for you?

>>851168
Protip: Most mexicans return.

And your own organisms said that was the number. Ant immigration groups are ok with it. You can't possibly know how many illegals cross the border.

From a mexican perspective I can only tell you that I've only met one guy who went to the states illegally in my whole life, and he came back.

>>851197
Don't really give a shit if the Mexicans were butthurt, I just call it like I see it and we did start the war.

>>851190
>implying Mexico had any say in where the border was

They lost, we won. They didn't listen so they lost a lot of other land. Not our fault they thought they could ignore the border we set.

>>851190
Historically the Texas border was at Nueces river.

>>851194

>>851172

Didn't he lead the Mexican Army?

>>851222
Actually, historically I believe Texas wasn't a Mexican state, it was part of Laredo...Could be wrong though, Mexican historical geography is not my forte.

>>851222
>using a historical border as an argument for setting a border after you lose a war.

>>851226
After the war began yes, but he had nothing to do with the war breaking out as he had no power, anywhere, at that moment.

>>851205

Mexico declared war against the United States.

I am sorry if you feel is wrong, but that is just how the chips fall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War

>>851238
Technically the war never ended as the treaty that "ended" the war was never ratified.

>>851232
Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Primera_Republica_Federal_1825.PNG

It was part of Cohahuila. But the bravo river wasn't a border delimiter for any state. Brownsville was in Tamaulipas.

Laredo it's a city.

>>851243
Because of our provocation...once again, we knew, long in advance, what would happen after annexing Texas, that's like saying Britain and France started WW2 because they declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Poland.

What's so wrong about accepting history as it is murkans? It's like watching you claim you won WWII by yourselves or that Vietnam wasn't really lost. Rather pitiful.

>>851257
>Laredo it's a city.

I see, thank you for correcting me.

>>851271
Why not accept that Mexico should have just accepted the border being the Rio Grande instead of being butthurt and losing Cali, AZ, etc?

>>851133

It's only racist if a white man does it.

>>851298
Dude, no country should accept where its border is just because another country says so.

>>851263

I don't see a problem with Texas be annexed as it was a soverign nation. Just because Mexico wanted to play empire and retain sphere of influences doesn't mean anything if you can't actually control it.

Who cares who lost the war? The fact of the matter is that Mexicans are inferior to white people. Simple as that.

>>851298
Because it wasn't even Mexico it was Santa Anna. And you're changing the point again. Polk deliberately provoked mexicans, using american soldiers as bait I might add, if he was defending a border he wouldn't have sent 70 soldiers next to an important port with a fort. That much you admitted.

>>851309
The treaty that gave Texas independence, was.never.ratified.....it matters a great deal, because from the perspective of the country it was a part of we are annexing a piece of it willy nilly....No country is just going to stand for that, so we were provoking them.

>>851313
Good thing race is meaningless here.

>>851333
>it was Santa Anna

Once again, he wasn't in power, his butthurt had nothing to do with war breaking out, stop changing the subject.

And that isn't me you're responding to btw

>>851307
>Dude, no country should accept where its border is just because another country says so.

So losing a war should result in no territorial losses for the loser.

k, let's give East Prussia, Sudetenland and Austria back to Germany.

>>851349
No, after a war it's a whole other story, but before the war we can't just be writing borders on maps wherever we please.....that's how WW2 happened.

>>851364
Mexico had just lost a war, even if they didn't want to admit it.

>>851371
read
>>851247
You can't lose a war that never ended.

>>851335

And yet its independence was recognized by other countries.

Delusion seems to be common with the Mexican side of history.

>>851423
No other country besides America.

>>851423
>Delusion seems to be common with the Mexican side of history

wat?

Is this coming from the WE WON WW I&II ALONE guys?

Texas was part of Mexico from a mexican perspective. Polk was all like give me war and wanted to expand west but the congress wasn't interested even in Texas so he sent soldiers to provoke a war. What's so hard to understand about it?

That guy isn't even Mexican.

>>851432
France and Britain... the only other countries that mattered.

>>851510
A whopping 3 countries, which is irrelevant as it doesn't count for squat if the country you're annexing it from doesn't recognise it, it's still an act of war.

>>851546
Time to face the facts bro.

>>851510
Only France.

>>851555
I should be saying that to you, I mean, you're implying that annexing a piece of land is ok, despite the fact that the piece of land you're annexing is being claimed by the country it was originally a part of/is a part of, and all because Britain and France said it was a country and therefore ok? Dude........srsly? That retarded?